[OGD] Iris and big mouth
Maybe Iris, you should think about what you post BEFORE you actually post it! Your comment on patents was quite niave. I've read quite a few of your posts and not voiced my opinion, now I'm thinking you shouldn't voice yours as much as you do. Do you have something else to keep you occupied? Cody___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] VB Thank You
I'm not sure who you are, or even where you are from, But I would like to whole heartedly thank you for your extremely interesting contributions and links you have been contributing to the Digest You are making the Digest a very interesting read Politics, judging and personalities make very uninteresting reading on the other side of the world Please keep it up Kind regards Wayne Turville AONAustralia ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Chuck Acker
It is reported on Slipper Talk Forum that Chuck Acker has sent a letter of apology to all who purchased his Peruflora Pk seedlings. see: http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=29466#post29466 Apparently Chuck found out that the Peruflora Pk seedlings, already in compots in his greenhouse, were not Pk. With his letter of apology, Chuck included a refund cheque for the deposit made. It was I who in 2005 warned people on orchid forums that a reliable Lima source told me that Peruflora could not possibly propagate the number of Pk flasks they sold from five legal Pk plants. The suggestion was made that therefore Peruflora would have to have purchased Pk seeds from illegal plants outside their nursery. I received a lot of flack over this and was told that I did not know what I was talking about. Soon after, I received another message from Lima telling me that an enemy of the Arias family had managed to have someone sell Manolo Pk seeds which were in fact seeds of another Phragmipedium species. Knowing my sources to be very reliable, I publicly announced that the Peruflora's Pk species labels are unreliable, if seeds were purchased, and if indeed it was true that non-Pk seeds were sold to them, the seedlings in their flasks may not at all be Pk. Again I was blasted for this by many, publicly and privately. Last May while at the Redland International Orchid Festival, a very angry Manolo Arias stormed into the sales booth (tent) I was in, directed there by one of his friends who talked to me in the line up for the festival BBQ for vendors. Manolo told me that I was spreading false rumours about Peruflora when I stated on orchid forums, which he monitors, that their Pk flasks may not contain Pk seedlings but other species. Well, we now know that my friends and I did not lie but told the truth and that all who contradicted me on the forums truly did not know what they were talking about. Believe me I take no pleasure in this. I feel terribly sorry for all who got stung by this. Chuck Acker did the honourable thing and I expected no less from him. His business will not suffer, quite the opposite will result. peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS awarded plants
Jean Allen Ikeson Your comments are wasteful and misdirected. No suggestion was made, by either myself, or Marc, that the AOS judging is crooked and deliberately aimed at aiding commercial vendors of orchids. We all know this is not true and we do not need to read the AOS handbook on judging to know it. It is a well known fact, among all who grow orchids, that AOS awarded plants, whether these are sold by individuals at local orchid society meetings, or by commercial orchid vendors, are more desirable and fetch more money than non-awarded plants. Thus whether you like it or not, AOS awards do endorse plants on the sales table. It is puzzling that you, as a student AOS judge, take offence at a by-product of AOS judging excellence. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 61
Nice to see all the puppets now know which exhibit to viote for in the Miami show.Will make all the judging assignments easier for the employee judges. A study in ethics. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Burrageara Nelly Isler-note spelling Iris!
You silly woman. of course it does not have a patent tag when sold in the United States because as has been clearly explained, it is not patented here! It is protected in Europe. Andy Easton. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gerardus Staal
"Ecuador... an orchid named after Gerardus Staal. ... Staal, 81, earned his namesake... Masdevallia staaliana, through multiple orchid collecting trips to Ecuador. He has also named and registered scores of hybridized orchids... Staal will be one of hundreds of vendors at this weekend's 55th annual Pacific Orchid Exposition... He oversees thousands of orchid plants in his backyard greenhouse from his Palo Alto home, where he runs a small business creating hybrids and propagating rare species. ... Another vendor at this weekend's show, Scott Dallas, owner of White Oak Orchids in Pacifica, manages 250,000 plants... While Dallas' relationship with orchids is strictly business, Staal is a hobbyist who has hybridized orchids for more than 30 years. A Dutch native, he got a doctorate degree in entomology before moving to the U.S. in the 1960s to develop insecticides" article URL : http://www.examiner.com/a-568904~Orchid_society_plants_expo_at_Fort_Mason.html Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Patented Plants
In a message dated 2/16/07 6:03:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > the pirate plants can be prevented from entering the US market. > That may be true, but it is difficult to prevent pirating of plants that are developed within the US. There are regulations in several states controlling the labeling of landscape plants, but as far as I know, labeling of pot plants is pretty unregulated. I know of two well-known patented bonsai varieties that have been pirated for years. One of them may be out of patent by now, but I know when the other one was patented, and it has been sold unlabeled ever since. I only saw it once with a legal label. By the way, I have never seen Burr. Nellie Eisler sold with a label saying it was patented. The clone name was simply omitted. Iris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS awarded plants
To Peter and Marc who think that AOS awards are somehow a commercial endorsement for commercial growers: I take immense offense at such an obviously ignorant and cynical allegation. It is simply not true. First go read "The Handbook" on judging. No where does it suggest that the judging system aims to make commercial endorsements. I assume you are also ignorant about and have forgotten about all the cultural awards made to the grower and botanical/horticultural awards made to recognize not seen before, horticulturally interesting, etc plants. Let me remind you that all AOS judges have gone through a minimum of six years of intensive training at their own expense. During their training they attend hundreds of shows, judgings, etc, where they are on the hot seat to comment on and defend their opinions---a process that forces trainee judges to learn to make in depth judgements with due consideration. THE OWNERS NAMES ARE NEVER ON A PLANT AT THE TIME OF JUDGING That is to prevent just the sort of silliness that Peter and Marc are suggesting. And to slam the one system that assures that a huge range of species and hybrids will be recognized for quality is in direct contrast to Asian growers who produce huge quantities of a relatively small variety of meristems/mericlones. These growers are a huge force in limiting the variety of orchids available to buyers. The AOS judging system is a huge force in encouraging diversity because it recognizes qualtiy wherever it sees it--and never on the bench of a commercial grower's greenhouse. To get a qualtiy award (to put it on a simplistic base), a plant must be of significantly better quality in some way than past awards, represent a new direction in breeding, etc. All judges will admit that the standards for judging quality are not perfect--there is always debate going on about technical aspects to improve the process. It does evolve but only with the input of hundreds of judges. Now Peter and Marc are so silly to assume that any judge would travel at their own expense, spend six or more years training at their own expense, take a large amount of time away from family, use vacation time on judging rather than family or recreation, etc with the intent to commercially endorse a plant for a grower. If we are lucky we get a good lunch but sometimes we get some deli meat slapped in sandwiches for our efforts. We do it for the love of orchids, to learn more, etc. THE AOS JUDGING SYSTEM IS THE BEST HOPE WE HAVE FOR MAINTAINING A DIVERSITY IN WHAT IS BEING GROWN AND SETTING STANDARDS FOR LARGE AND SMALL BREEDERS TO REACH FOR. WITHOUT IT, STANDARDS WOULD BE SET BY HOME DEPOT AND WALMART. Is that what you want? And yes, you will find large breeders getting awards, but I think if you surveyed the AQ you will find that most awards do not go to the big breeders but to good growers whether they are commercial or not. For example, my 88 year old mother has around 10 AOS awards and the only plants of hers that have ever been sold were those that were donated to her society's fundraising auction or when the divisions were using space that was needed for new plants. Jean Allen-Ikeson who is fuming in Nova Scotia, Canada ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] terrestrial orchids in Florida (US)
"reed stem Epidendrum and Spathoglottis... ...The reed stem orchid... bloom for about six months -- from spring to fall... light purple Spathoglottis plicata... spathoglottis orchids are susceptible to anthracnose, a leaf spotting fungus, and at least one type of orchid virus... in Pamela Crawford's 'Easy Gardens for South Florida'. "Trim to remove brown leaves. This plant normally has some brown portions on the leaves. These need not be removed unless they become an eyesore. In the winter, quite a few leaves turn yellow," she wrote." ... they can be propagated by dividing the clumps." article URL : http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/home/sfl-hg16juneaufeb16,0,2410117.column?coll=sfla-features-homegarden Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Golden Gate Park / San Francisco (US)
From a press release : "The Park Access for All coalition... denounced a transportation study conducted by the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (MTA) examining conditions for Saturday closure of Golden Gate Park, saying the study is flawed... The members of 'Park Access for All' include: ... San Francisco Orchid Society" URL : http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070215/20070215006284.html?.v=1 Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] show time (US)
"orchids... from February to April... collectors and growers will be flaunting them in the next three months in shows around the world [or parts of it !]. ... Robert Fuchs, a third-generation orchid grower in Homestead, Fla. ... viewed by many in the field as a leading expert. ... youll want to fly off to the renowned orchid shows at the Tokyo Dome in Japan or Kew Gardens in Britain, both running in February and early March... one of the best shows in the United States will be in Miami the first week in March... planners expect 15,000 visitors... Fuchs... This year his design team is doing Margaritaville after Jimmy Buffett, he said. Were building an old Key West house with porches. Were going to populate the exhibit with literally thousands of orchids. ... in San Francisco... the Pacific Orchid Exposition takes place in mid-February... We enjoy that show very much because we see very well-grown plants that you dont see anywhere else, Andrea Niessen, an orchid propagator in Colombia... Shell be taking choice specimens to San Francisco some of them descendants of plants she inherited from her grandfather, who emigrated to Colombia from Germany after World War I. You dont get rich, Ms. Niessen said. Youll never make a dollar from it [really ?]. The love of the orchid is the main thing. Not all orchid shows are commercial. The one at the New York Botanical Garden from late February until April has the character of a museum exhibit, offering plenty of opportunity to learn as well as admire. ... Anna Chai, a 70-year-old amateur grower from Belmont, Calif exhibits at Pacific Orchid Exposition. ... In her backyard are three decades worth of orchids 2,000 in all... First I was crazy, she said. Then I was obsessed. Now, I feel like a slave. [how true !] article URL : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/16/travel/escapes/16ahead.html Regards, VB ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
