[OGD] Line drawing of Dendrobium crocatum
Hi all, Does anybody has a copy of the line drawings of Dendrobium crocatum Hook.f.? I would very much appreciate if anybody can email me a copy. Thanks a bunch in advance. Nik --- Vortex's Orchids : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] collecting orchids in Malaysia
Dear Peter, Thank you for your comments/critics on the articles. Let me clear several things... First of all, the articles were made up based on a series of discussions in a local orchid enthusiasts group (no Viateur, not OGD). There are much more being discussed and written but do not appear in the article due probably to limited space in the paper. The discussions were of local interests and the audience are mostly locals too so your comments wrt below do not really applies (there's no winter, no hurricane and we grow outdoors - no electricity required for heating/air-cond, etc.). To anyone who thinks a species will have a better chance of survival in their care than in the wild . your thinking is so short-term it is unbelievable. How will you care for your rare species after your death ? Or when the power gets cut during winter ? Or when your farm is swamped by a hurricane ? Or when the price of electricity rises so high you cannot afford heating ? You can provide no long-term guarantees of any kind ... so stop being presumptuous. Only the natural environment can provide a long-term solution; you cannot. After my death, you must be kidding??? My family loves orchid too. Can you guarantee an area which you try to conserve will still remain after your death? My real answer is if you instill enough interest in orchids (and other flora/fauna) in your family community, they will carry on whatever you did growing/conserving orchids be it in-situ or ex-situ. When both of us dies, life will go on and it will be beyond control of any of us. One thing for sure, human population is and will increase exponentially and more jungles will have to make way for developments either you like it or not. Probably in the next millenium, the only flora and fauna that our descendants will get to see will be in glass structures erected as conservatories. Maybe human will colonise the moon and other planet by then too as probably you can't even make one step without trampling on another human. Secondly, I wrote my comments in the group based of what came across my mind at the moment. It was never initially meant to be published in a newspaper or anything. If I wrote an article for a newspaper, I will surely double-check my facts before submitting it. As a perfectly normal human being, I do made mistake which I do appreciate being corrected. I agree that I erred when writing the statement below... ...because of CITES regulations, governments or companies may clear thousands of hectares of land in the name of development but, ironically, it is illegal to go into these areas and collect the orchids before they are destroyed. I did mean to say it was the local laws and regulations that is responsible for this. I thought it was clear to my intended audience in the group in my subsequent writings but the article probably didn't sum it up well enough. I were not privy to the draft of the article before it being published so no correction can be done by me. But I stand by my view that CITES regulations ought to be more relaxed to allow freer trade of artificially propagated orchids, be it hybrids or species. How? You and me may have a different suggestions and you are definitely free to disagree with mine. :-) With regards to your comments on Bulb. thiurum and Phalaenopsis appendiculata, I didn't say that artificial propagation (AP) can stop illegal poaching until the species can no longer be found in the area they were initially found. But AP will prevent the species from becoming totally extinct. AP plants can surely help increasing the availability of the species to the market to meet the demand and the plants can be reintroduced back into their original habitat if the local authorities take enough care to do it. If these 2 species were discovered before AP were invented, they would surely be goners by now. I have never claim to be an expert in this field and the statements were merely impromptu responses made in a discussion. I am not a conservation champion and do not wish to be one. (The author was exaggerating when he wrote that I am a highly respected orchidist as I am a nobody nor do I wish to becomes somebody either in political or orchid world). Please feel free to give more critics but please accompany it with more positive suggestions as then this can proceed to be a more educative discussion rather than a bashing session. I think I won't be the first to tell you not to believe 100% of what you read in a newspaper. Things may be misquoted or taken out of context. If you care enough, these can easily be rectified if you contact the relevant person for clarifications. Lastly but not least, with all things being said above, I salute you for all your works in orchids taxonomy of the region and I hope that you will still allow me to correspond with you on this subject in the future. Peace. My best, Nik Fahmi, Kuala Lumpur. --- Vortex's Orchids : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz
[OGD] Orchid Photo Theft
Hi all, I have just discovered a website based in Denmark (http://www.bc-orchideer.dk/phalaenopsis.html) unlawfully using several of my orchid photos to sell their orchids. I won't be surprised if they are also using photos of others too. I have sent them a warning e-mail demanding that they removed the photos ASAP and I would suggest others that are also affected do the same. I'm really pi$$ed off when people stole my photos for commercial gain. I have given permission to various individuals and organisations for non-profit use of my photo collection but if they're making money out of it, I feel that I need to be compensated. Regards Nik Fahmi of Vortex's Orchids (http://zanaf.dyndns.biz) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchid Photo Theft
Just an update... I just received a reply from them apologising and they have removed my photos.Nik On 8/9/06, Nik Fahmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have just discovered a website based in Denmark (http://www.bc-orchideer.dk/phalaenopsis.html ) unlawfully using several of my orchid photos to sell their orchids. I won't be surprised if they are also using photos of others too. I have sent them a warning e-mail demanding that they removed the photos ASAP and I would suggest others that are also affected do the same. I'm really pi$$ed off when people stole my photos for commercial gain. I have given permission to various individuals and organisations for non-profit use of my photo collection but if they're making money out of it, I feel that I need to be compensated. Regards Nik Fahmi of Vortex's Orchids (http://zanaf.dyndns.biz) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] warm growing pleurothallids
Hi all, Thanks to all that responded either via the list or privately. You guys have given me some hope in growing this wonderful New World Orchids that I can only dream off previously. Now, the hard part, to source for some pleuros in this part of the world... :-) Best regards Nik in rain-soaked Kuala Lumpur. On 5 Jan 2006 at 19:24, Nicholas Plummer wrote: While you guys are at it, may I know is there is any Pleuros species that I can grow and flower) in warm/hot condition? Pleurothallis longissima blooms beautifully in my greenhouse, where summer daytime temperatures are usually 90 F (32 C). Last summer, the greenhouse reached 98.5 F (37 C) on several days, and the Pleurothallis showed no signs of stress. I'd say that qualifies as warmth tolerant. Nick -- Nicholas Plummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Warm Dracula species?
Hi all, While you guys are at it, may I know is there is any Pleuros species that I can grow (and flower) in warm/hot condition? Best regards Nik On 4 Jan 2006 at 20:46, Sergey Ladanov wrote: Hello!!! Can you tell me Dracula species for warm growing conditions? With best regards Sergey Ladanov ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Another unidentified species - anybody seen this before?
Hi all, A friend emailed me another set of pictures of orchid species which I can't figure out what it is. Has anybody seen this before? (http://zanaf.dyndns.biz/Friends/Zul/Unknown_sp.htm) Thanks in advance for your kind help. Regards Nik ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Help on id.
Hi all, I'm helping a friend to id a beautiful terrestrial species which looks like a Spathoglottis vegetatively but having different flowers. I appreciate if anybody has seen this before and know its name. You can view some pictures of this species at:- http://zanaf.dyndns.biz/Friends/Zul/Unknown_sp1.htm Thanks in advance. Regards Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Nik's Help on id.
Hi Peter, Thanks so much for the id. I couldn't have thought that it's a Spath. BTW, the sp was found on the mainland of Penin. Malaysia in Kedah. Nik On 3 Oct 2005 at 1:33, Peter O'Byrne wrote: Nik, you are correct; your friend's beauty is a Spathoglottis, but is a very strange one. It is the uncommon little-known S. hardingiana Parish Reichenbach. Occurs in mainly in Myanmar Thailand; in Malaysia known only from Langkawi, where it grows on limestone. Cheers, Peter O'Byrne in Singapore --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Line drawing/description of Vanda coerulescens
Hi, I wish to thank all that have e-mailed me privately providing me with links and reference for the above. Very special thanks to Mr Peter O'Byrne who was very kind in providing me with a scan of the description and line drawing of both V. coerulea and V. coerulescens from a book which highlight some of the problems in identifying several Vanda species. I hope that this list and the its members will continue to be a great resource for orchid growers whether commercial or amateur like us. Thanks again, very, very much to all. Best regards and have a nice day. Nik On 12 Sep 2005 at 11:49, Nik Fahmi wrote: Hi all, I have recently managed to flower a Vanda species given to me by a friend from Myanmar. The flowers looks a bit like V. coerulea but without any pattern on their whitish sepals/petals and have blue (purplish) coloured lip. Their sizes are also smaller than the V. coerulea that I have ever seen. I suspect that it might be a V. coerulescens but can't find any line drawings or descriptions of the species in my orchid book collection for a match. Our local library is hopeless for orchid books so I'm hoping a kind soul would be ever so kind to scan and e-mail me a copy. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Line drawing/description of Vanda coerulescens
Hi all, I have recently managed to flower a Vanda species given to me by a friend from Myanmar. The flowers looks a bit like V. coerulea but without any pattern on their whitish sepals/petals and have blue (purplish) coloured lip. Their sizes are also smaller than the V. coerulea that I have ever seen. I suspect that it might be a V. coerulescens but can't find any line drawings or descriptions of the species in my orchid book collection for a match. Our local library is hopeless for orchid books so I'm hoping a kind soul would be ever so kind to scan and e-mail me a copy. Thanks a lot in advance. Regards Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Porphyroglottis
Dear viateur, Thank so much for the offer. Would it be too much trouble to ask a scan of the whole article? Regards Nik On 18 Jul 2005 at 16:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nik [Fahmi] wrote : ... looking for a picture or line drawing of Porphyroglottis maxwelliae... J. Linn. Soc., Bot 31: 290(1896). and later commented : got my line drawing from Stuart Henry I presume the line drawing obtained was the one published in the above source. I found an article illustrated with a line drawing : Holttum, R. E. 'Porphyroglottis' in The Orchid Journal, March 1952, p. 117. Should you wish to obtain a scan of it, please contact me off list. * Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: [orchidofmalaysia] orkid2
YC and all, Ooops... sorry I still thought we are talking about Paph barbatum. I didn't realise there's another picture attached. :-) This one is a Liparis sp. ... not sure of the actual species name. Nik On 19 Jul 2005 at 17:26, YC Tan wrote: Nik, Ape nama species ni? On 7/19/05, Nik Fahmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya... antara genus yang paling diminati pulak tu. :-) On 19 Jul 2005 at 1:28, narma narm wrote: Nak tanya adakah ini salah satu species orkid.confuse - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group orchidofmalaysiahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/orchidofmalaysi a on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]orchidofmalaysia-u ns [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Regards, YC --- End of forwarded message -- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Porphyroglottis maxwelliae
Hi all, I'm looking for a picture or line drawing of Porphyroglottis maxwelliae. I have check with Kew's Monocot checklist and found the following ref. Porphyroglottis maxwelliae Ridl., J. Linn. Soc., Bot 31: 290(1896). W. Malesia. 42 BOR MLY SUM. Your kind assistance is very much appreciated. TIA. Regards Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Porphyroglottis maxwelliae
This is the greatest list. I got my line drawing from Stuart Henry in really a flash. Thanks again. Nik On 18 Jul 2005 at 21:05, Nik Fahmi wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a picture or line drawing of Porphyroglottis maxwelliae. I have check with Kew's Monocot checklist and found the following ref. Porphyroglottis maxwelliae Ridl., J. Linn. Soc., Bot 31: 290(1896). W. Malesia. 42 BOR MLY SUM. Your kind assistance is very much appreciated. TIA. Regards Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Dendrobium tuananhii or trantuanii?
Dear icones, Thanks so much for the scan. I actually expected the article to be in 100% German. :-) So am I correct to say that since Den trantuanii is published earlier than Den tuananhii, the former is the valid name for the species just like Phrag. kovachii against Phrag peruvianum(sp.?). Thanks again. Nik On 13 Jul 2005 at 0:09, icones wrote: Nik, It does appear that the same species was named twice by different people, as the location data, description, collector etc.. are very similar. Once in Die Orchidee 54 (2):220-224 by Perner Dang and again in Orchids 73 (2):134-136 by Averyanov. If you still need the scans I can send them to you. icones - Original Message - From: Nik Fahmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orchids@orchidguide.com Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: [OGD] Dendrobium tuananhii or trantuanii? Hi all, Does anybody know which is the valid name of this newly discovered Vietnamese species. I have Orchids (Feb. 2004) magazine which published the description of this species as Den. tuananhiii Averyanov but I were told it was also published in Orchidee as Den trantuanii. I do not have Orchidee's publication to refer to and I would be very grateful if somebody would be kind enough to e-mail me a scan. RHS apparently accepted Den trantuanii as the valid name in their International Orchid Register so is it because Orchidee publication was made at an earlier date? Thanks for any insight. Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrobium tuananhii or trantuanii?
Hi all, Does anybody know which is the valid name of this newly discovered Vietnamese species. I have Orchids (Feb. 2004) magazine which published the description of this species as Den. tuananhiii Averyanov but I were told it was also published in Orchidee as Den trantuanii. I do not have Orchidee's publication to refer to and I would be very grateful if somebody would be kind enough to e-mail me a scan. RHS apparently accepted Den trantuanii as the valid name in their International Orchid Register so is it because Orchidee publication was made at an earlier date? Thanks for any insight. Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Dendrobium tuananhii or trantuanii?
Hi, Sorry but I am replying to my own post. I just discover that Kew IPNI has both names in their monocot checklist at per http://www.kew.org/searchepic/searchpage.do I found that Den trantuanii description : Perner X.N.Dang, Orchidee (Hamburg) 54: 220 (2003) so apparently it's an earlier publication (I still appreciate a scan copy if possible). But another question came to my mind... are these 2 names referring to the same species? Thanks again. Nik On 13 Jul 2005 at 9:45, Nik Fahmi wrote: Hi all, Does anybody know which is the valid name of this newly discovered Vietnamese species. I have Orchids (Feb. 2004) magazine which published the description of this species as Den. tuananhiii Averyanov but I were told it was also published in Orchidee as Den trantuanii. I do not have Orchidee's publication to refer to and I would be very grateful if somebody would be kind enough to e-mail me a scan. RHS apparently accepted Den trantuanii as the valid name in their International Orchid Register so is it because Orchidee publication was made at an earlier date? Thanks for any insight. Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Malaysian / Malayan orchid ?
Dear Viateur, AFAIK, the hybrid was first created by John Laycock, a lawyer and orchid hobbyist residing in Singapore (then a part of Malaya) in 1936(?). It's normal for most orchid societies in Malaysia (I'm not too sure about OSSEA) to have as part of its ribbon award at any orchid show, the Best Malaysian Hybrid alongside with the Best Malaysian Species and Best Specimen Plant. The criteria for Best Malaysian Hybrid is that the hybrid must be registered or originated by a Malaysian (or a Malayan for that matter). Please correct me if I'm wrong though. Hope that helps. Regards Nik On 4 May 2005 at 9:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [O'Byrne] wrote : ...the Malaysian [really ?] orchid Arachins Maggie Oei... Yes, really. I have no problem with a species being considered Malaysian but I would certainly like to understand why we should consider an hybrid Malaysian. Could you please elaborate on 'yes, really' ? I see that Peter considers the use of the word 'Malaysian' erroneous. Could you explain, without splitting too many hairs, why you would favor the use of 'Malayan' instead? Peter also wrote The later press release If I am not wrong the source quoted [http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/5/4/nation/10854672s ec=nation] is a news story (article) not a press release. ** Some additional details about the hybrid (plus a different photo) are provided in the following news story : http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/National/200505040816 37/Article/indexb_html The crimson orchid is a cross between the Arachnis Maggie Oei, the most popular Malaysian cut-flower hybrid, and the Ascocenda udomchai orchid from Thailand. The Mokara Datin Seri Endon is recommended for cut-flower production because of its unique colour, long stalk, free-flowering nature and long shelf-life. It bears 14 to 19 flowers and each cut flower stalk lasts about 14 days. Endon now joins a list of prominent Malaysian women who have had Mardi orchids named after them, including Tun Dr Siti Hasmah Mohamed Ali and the former Raja Permaisuri Agong, Tuanku Siti Aishah. *** Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] wrong url to unknown orchid
Dear Bert, I concur with Jay that it's most probably a Plocoglottis species. Regards Nik On 28 Apr 2005 at 8:13, Bert van Zuylen wrote: Hello OGDers, sorry for the wrong url, this one should work: http://community.webshots.com/album/332582570bGusdk Can anyone please tell me which orchid this could be? I allready would be happy if someone could give me the name of the genus. Last weekend I got this orchid from a friend who told me the orchid is native to Vietnam. So I went through (a lot) of my books to find out more about it. I know I know the name, the problem is I don't know it right now, must be the age. The green leaves are flushed with purple and the inflorence is purple as well. The inflorence starts from the bulb, not from the top nor from the base but somewhere in between. The flowers have not opened yet, but it seems to me they will be yellow with purple. Many thanks in advance, Bert van Zuylen The Netherlands --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Seed pod maturity
Hi all, I just pollinate some of my orchids (my first attempt) and would very much appreciate if anybody can tell me how many days would they take to mature so that I can send the seed pods for flasking:- 1. Dendrobium crocatum 2. Encyclia cordigera 3. Bulbophyllum mandibulare 4. Aerides odorata 5. Phalaenopsis sumatrana Thanks in advance. Nik --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Need help identifying a dendrobium species
Dear Peter, Thanks a lot for your opinion. The plant is definitely a jungle collected one. I'm sure Rosli will provide you with better quality pictures as you has requested for a positive id. Regards Nik On 26 Jan 2005 at 23:25, Peter O'Byrne wrote: Nik, Jim and Rosli, Rosli has got hold of a very interesting plant, quite unlike any Dendrobium I've ever seen before. Unfortunately, it is not possible to make a full identification, for several reasons: 1) Rosli said it came from Terengganu. This is an inadequate provenance ... before I could say it was a species (rather than a man-made plant) I would need assurances that the plant had been collected in the wild. This is exactly the sort of thing that is most commonly found in nurseries, where people have been making hybrids or playing with colchicine. Let's pretend it was wild-collected, and continue. 2) The photo doesn't show the bits I really need to see. It gives a nice impression of the inflorescence, but doesn't show much detail on the flower. In this case, I'm particularly interested in seeing: (a) the whole of the petals, preferably stretched out flat. (b) the shape of the lip; the photo shows a fimbriate midlobe, but I can't clearly see how the midlobe joins to the sidelobes (if there are any sidelobes at all) and if the sidelobes are fimbriate. (c) a much better look at the keels on the lip. (d) the gland(s) on the columnfoot. (e) the exterior of the lateral sepals, and the shape of the mentum. 3) I have no idea how big the flower is. I REALLY wish people would put a ruler (or other scale) in the photo. In this case, knowing the size would be a big help in eliminating one or more possible identities. 4) I can't tell which section the plant belongs in. I really do need a photo of the whole plant (with a scale in the picture) to be certain that I've got the section correct. In this case, I could eliminate 2 of the possible identities if I knew the plant's habit. 5) I'm pretty certain the flower is peloric. The petals have acquired some of the characters of the lip ... the long cilia are very obvious, but (as far as I can tell) the outer half of the petal tip has the shape of the midlobe. This considerably diminishes the prospects of identifying the plant, because in peloric forms there are usually a range of floral characters that have been altered, including shape, size, colour, column details, and even the number of flowers on the inflorescence. OK, I like a real challenge, so I'm going to stick my neck out and, always assuming it is a real plant (not a colchicine-induced monstrosity), have a crack at an identification. It probably belongs in section Breviflores, rather than more obvious candidates like Calcarifera, Rhopalanthe, or Formosae. The Thai/Malay area has 4 Breviflores species with a fimbriate midlobe. All 4 are possibles: a) Dendrobium stuposum Lindley. Range is distant (Himalaya to north Thailand) but not impossible. Stems quite thick fleshy; more like # Dendrobium than # Breviflores. Inflorescence always 1-2 flowered (pelorism could alter this). Flowers white with yellow or green-yellow on the lip. Midlobe noticably thickened. b) Dendrobium spegidoglossum Rchb.f. Range is correct; Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, Sumatra and Java. Stems slender, 60 cm. Inflorescence usually 5-6 flowered. Flowers smaller than D. stuposum, pale yellow, darker brown-yellow patch on midlobe. Midlobe thickened, 3 keels extend from lip base to base of midlobe. c) Dendrobium umbonatum Seidenfaden. Range: Thailand...Trat (quite a distance from Terengganu). Stems slender. 35 cm. Inflorescence 1-4 flowered. Flowers same size as D. stuposum, white, lip greenish-white with yellow patch on midlobe. An unlikely candidate since the floral bracts are nothing like the bracts in the photo (the midlobe is also the wrong shape). d) Dendrobium pauciflorum King Pantling. Range is distant (Himalaya to north Thailand) but not impossible. Stems thick fleshy; more like # Dendrobium than # Breviflores. Inflorescences 1-8 flowered. Flowers same size as D. spegidoglossum, creamy-white, sepals and petals with red margins (pelorism could alter this). Midlobe noticably thickened, the thickening continuing backwards into the throat of the flower, but not reaching the lip base. Lateral sepals are externally keeled, the keels forming a free-standing tooth where they extend beyond the sepal apex. This plant is unlikely to be (c), but could be any of (a), (b) and (d). I'd say D. spegidoglossum is the best candidate, but it is impossible to be certain on the information provided. Cheers, Peter O'Byrne Singapore ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- Homepage : http://zanaf.dyndns.biz ___ the
