Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46

2004-12-17 Thread marianne.fleurimont
That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Darwin,
Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown) and practically everyone else who did not
practice the Limmerick, the Sonnet, or the Couplet, right?  That makes the
discussion very easy, since most of the fuel for disagreement would be
eliminated and discarded.  It would be even difficult to include a full
climate chart in under 10 lines.

:)

Best wishes,

M

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From: Gustaaf R. Möhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Dear List Members,

 It has come to my attention that the scope of this list is broadened.
 Besides orchids (currently a minor subject of this list) issues such as
 religion, evolution, CITES, WOC-flames, etc., has become part of this
list.
 All very interesting, but some of the contibutions are becoming too
lenghty
 sometimes to read.
 Please, keep the contributions under 10 lines of text if possible to gain
 attention.
 If you cannot express yourself in under 10 lines, you may wonder if your
 contribution has touched the essence of what you really wanted to
 communicate.

 Yours Sincerely,
 MöhltiMedia
 Gustaaf R. Möhlmann
 http://www.mohltimedia.com



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Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46

2004-12-17 Thread Mike Candy
Marianne,
If you will send me quotes from Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Freud ... bearing a 
significant relationship to orchids.

Mike

Hi Mike,
Would you please send me a list of orchid publications under 10 lines 
each?
Photos will be counted in bites or pixels.

They will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Marianne
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That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Darwin,
Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown)
An excellent suggestion Marianne, since this is supposed to be an orchid
discussion group and those authors/books are aptly covered in various
philosophical/religious discussion groups.  With the exception of Darwin,
whose work has direct bearing on orchids - the works of Kant, Freud et al
have little bearing on this subject.
Mike
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Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46

2004-12-17 Thread marianne.fleurimont
I can send you some quotes from Dreams of the Red Mansion pertaining to
orchids... if that appeals to you.

M


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From: Mike  Candy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46


 Marianne,

 If you will send me quotes from Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Freud ... bearing a
 significant relationship to orchids.

 Mike


  Hi Mike,
 
  Would you please send me a list of orchid publications under 10 lines
  each?
  Photos will be counted in bites or pixels.
 
  They will be greatly appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Marianne
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike  Candy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:50 PM
  Subject: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46
 
 
  That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens,
Darwin,
  Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown)
 
  An excellent suggestion Marianne, since this is supposed to be an
orchid
  discussion group and those authors/books are aptly covered in various
  philosophical/religious discussion groups.  With the exception of
Darwin,
  whose work has direct bearing on orchids - the works of Kant, Freud et
al
  have little bearing on this subject.
 
  Mike
 
 
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[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46

2004-12-15 Thread Mike Candy
That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Darwin,
Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown)
An excellent suggestion Marianne, since this is supposed to be an orchid 
discussion group and those authors/books are aptly covered in various 
philosophical/religious discussion groups.  With the exception of Darwin, 
whose work has direct bearing on orchids - the works of Kant, Freud et al 
have little bearing on this subject.

Mike
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Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46

2004-12-15 Thread marianne.fleurimont
Dear Mike,

For Freud:

In the form of memories, thought splinters, retained dream images,
associations of ideas and other mental states, the world of a person was
visualized in the setting and put into words that Freud, who was sitting
outside of the field of vision of his analysand, registered with evenly
suspended attention.  It was not the floral motifs in the waiting room and
not a bouquet of lilacs given as a present that constituted the object of
psychoanalyic relations, but only the thought of floral motifs, of
bouquets of lilacs, of a morphologically unusual cattleya orchid (with which
Parcel Proust lets seductions occur in A la recherche du temps perdu)-- or
the heavy odor of cauliflower...

... Freud wrote to Madame Doolittle on 20 December 1933 Now as for your
flowers, it is true I admire orchids, especially some queer and atrociously
looking odorous ones like Stanhopea, but I like no flower better than the
frail and charming Gardenia.

This is an extract on the botanical qualities of Freud, who dreamed of
writing a botanical monograph on his wife's favorite flowers.

For the full article: http://www.freud-museum.at/pdf/NL1_2001.pdf

As to Proust:

He climbed after her into the carriage which she had kept waiting, and
ordered his own to follow.

She was holding in her hand a bunch of cattleyas, and Swann could see,
beneath the film of lace that covered her head, more of the same flowers
fastened o a swandown plume.  She was dressed, beneath her clak, in a
flowing gown of black velvet, caught up on one side to reveal a large
triangle of white silk skirt, and with a yoke, also of white silk, in the
cleft of the low necked bodice, in which were fastened a few more cattleyas.
She had scarcely recovered from the shock which the sight of Swann had given
her, when some obstacle made the horse start to one side.  They were thrown
forward in their seats; she utered a cry, and fell back quivering and
breathless.

It's all right, he assured her, dont be frightened. And he slipped his
arms around her shoulder, supporting her body against his own.  Then he went
on: whatever you do, don't uter a word, just make a sign, yes or no, or
you'll be out of breath again.  You won't mind if I strighten the flowers on
your bodice?  The jolt has disarranged them.  I'm afraid of their dropping
out, so I'd just like to fasten them a little more securely.

She was not used to being made so much fuss of by men, and she smiled as she
answered: No, not at all; I don't mind in the least.

But he, daunted a little y her answer, and also, herpaps, to bear ou the
prtence that he had been sincere in adopting the strategem, o even because
he was already beginning to believe that he had been, exclaimed, No, no,
you musn't speak.  You'll get out of breath again.  You can easily answer in
signs; I shall understand.  Really and ruly now, you don't mind my doing
this?  Look, there's a little-- I think it must be pollen, spilt over your
dress.  Do you mind if I brush it off with my hand?  That's not too hard?
I'm not hurting you, am I?  Perhaps I am tickling you a bit?  I don't want
to touch the velvet in case I crease it.  But you see, I really had to
fasten the flowers; they would have fallen out if I hadn't.  Like that, now;
if I just tuck them a litle further down... Seriously, I'm not annoying you,
am I?  And if I just sniff them to see wether they've really got no scent?
I don't believe I ever smelt any before.  May I?  Tell the truth now.

Still smiling, she shrugged her shoulders ever so slightly, as who should
say,  You are quite mad; you know very well that I like it

And so the seduction continues.

Isn't that just delicious?

M


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From: Mike  Candy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46


 Marianne,

 If you will send me quotes from Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Freud ... bearing a
 significant relationship to orchids.

 Mike


  Hi Mike,
 
  Would you please send me a list of orchid publications under 10 lines
  each?
  Photos will be counted in bites or pixels.
 
  They will be greatly appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Marianne
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike  Candy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:50 PM
  Subject: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46
 
 
  That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens,
Darwin,
  Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown)
 
  An excellent suggestion Marianne, since this is supposed to be an
orchid
  discussion group and those authors/books are aptly covered in various
  philosophical/religious discussion groups.  With the exception of
Darwin,
  whose work has direct bearing on orchids - the works of Kant, Freud et
al
  have little bearing on this subject.
 
  Mike
 
 
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Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46

2004-12-15 Thread Mike Candy
Marianne
You have provided proof positive that this contributes nothing significant 
to the OGD forum.  This would be good on a literary forum, not a 
horticultural forum.

Positive contributions are queries and replies like the recent thread on 
Paph pollinating.

Mike

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