[OGD] illegal plants

2007-09-30 Thread peter croezen
 .
 
K Barrett, who writes::

reminds me of the story of a couple (European?) 
Peruvian and American

who witnessed a pickup truck load of Phrag kovachii plants, ripped from the 
forest 
Seven rice/coffee  sacks full  in a truck

some scant weeks after Kovach brought his plant to light. 
Seven months after Kovach purchased his.

The couple had stopped for lunch (or shopping?) 
walked to the hotel

in a small Peruvian town, 
orchid city Peru, not small, named Moyobamba

came out of the resturant/shop and saw the truckload.
arrived at the hotel and saw the sacks in a truck parked in front of the hotel

Quickly they agreed on a plan. 
Lee never talked about a plan, there was no plan

One person was to guard the truck from departing while
no one did guard the truck

the other ran to get the cops. 
no one went to get the cops

Of course by the time the person got back (sans police) the truck had gone. 
the truck drove off as soon as it was spotted by Peruvian and American

However the guard believed s/he'd 
she was not a guard, she was the wife of the American 

glimpsed an important European collector/vendor in the vicinity of the truck 
but not actually associated with it.  
recognized the Peruvian farmer/ collector, the same one who sold Kovach the two 
Pk 

rumors  regarding the vendor's identity and 
 identity was announced by the American 

but the vendor/collector was never truly identified, 
but he was identified for the American and his wife  know him personally.

the plants never came to light, 
but they did, they  were shown in a hotel in Tarapoto 60 miles away,  and shown 
on the local TV 

nor as far as I know were they ever sold.   
they were sold to two large  orchid vendors, one  in Peru; the other in Ecuador

The story was told by Lee Moore, the American, I have it on file and will be 
pleased to send it  anyone who wants to read it.
Contact me off OGD via e-mail.

peter


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[OGD] illegal plants

2007-09-30 Thread peter croezen
The exact date is perhaps not important in the story, however when I said 

Seven months after Kovach purchased his.

I meant to say one year and seven months ( December 2003.)

Kovach purchased his two plants from farmer/collector Faustino Medina Bautista 
end May 2002.

peter
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Re: [OGD] illegal plants

2007-09-30 Thread K Barrett

Thanks Peter.  I'd forgotten Lee Moore told the story. 
 
K Barrett
N Calif, USA  The story was told by Lee Moore, the American, I have it on file 
and will be pleased to send it anyone who wants to read it. Contact me off OGD 
via e-mail.  peter 
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Re: [OGD] illegal plants

2007-09-29 Thread K Barrett

[snip]  Even then, my understanding is that it's not really a matter  of 
taxonomy once the plants are recognized. A technician who was  awake during 
the appropriate bits of the PowerPoint presentation on  telling whale baleen 
from sea turtle belts notices some plants that  are out of sorts, at which 
point they're taken to a taxonomist who  keys them out on the basis of 
morphology. Or, if he's particularly  clever, reading the tag that is appended 
to the plant in question.  -AJHicks Chandler, AZ
 
Assuming what's written on the tag isn't a previously agreed upon code name.
 
This US 'fruit of the poisonous tree' notion reminds me of the story of a 
couple (European?) who witnessed a pickup truck load of Phrag kovachii plants, 
ripped from the forest some scant weeks after Kovach brought his plant to 
light.  The couple had stopped for lunch (or shopping?) in a small Peruvian 
town, came out of the resturant/shop and saw the truckload. Quickly they agreed 
on a plan. One person was to guard the truck from departing while the other ran 
to get the cops.  Of course by the time the person got back (sans police) the 
truck had gone.  However the guard believed s/he'd glimpsed an important 
European collector/vendor in the vicinity of the truck but not actually 
associated with it.  Rumors, innuendo, names and accusations flew about on 
other email lists and internet forums regarding the vendor's identity and 
possible illicit European or Japanese trade of these plants, but the 
vendor/collector was never truly identified, the plants never came to light, 
nor as far as I know were they ever sold.  Openly that is...
 
K Barrett
N Calif, USA
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