Re: [Origami] Beginner's FAQ-like thing

2012-10-11 Thread Hans Dybkjær

Den 11/10/12 07.09, Chris Lott skrev:

That would also be a good definition, though that can be treated with
a few cold beverages :)

I don't know what over folding might be called, but I noticed the last
few times I've taught people that they tend to:

1) want to crease way, way too hard and

2) when folding, say, edges to a center crease they try for perfection
and end up with a fold that is too tight or even a little
overlapped, which comes back to haunt them when they are doing a
reverse fold later, etc. In my admittedly limited experience, I find
it's better to purposefully be a little imperfect and err on the side
of a small gap and carefully making a good point than over
folding...
These are both something folders need to learn. Though usually I have 
the opposite problem of (1), i.e. beginners make too soft creases and 
fold too casually, too eagerly, faster than they can manage.
In particular for models like the traditional masu box you should make 
sharp creases, as this will make the assembly step much easier, and also 
I find that the model is nicer when the resulting box edges are well 
defined.
The case of too sharp creases are more common with more advanced models 
like masks, though I often tell people folding a traditional jumping 
frog that they should not make the springy folds of the jumping back 
legs too sharp.
You might call this fold control or don't overdo the folds, or do 
not commit a fold until needed.


I also agree about (2) which is prominent in the traditional crane. Here 
I often explicity tell students to leave up to a millimeter in the tail 
and neck thinning (but still to the point) so that the reverse folds 
come out easily and nicely.
I see this as a different problem, namely that of anticipating the 
folding sequence and/or compensating for the thickness of paper 
(which is a general issue).


Anticipation maybe the more generic term. Understanding what role a 
fold will have later in the folding sequence and in the final model.

Another example, again from the masu box, is the initial book folds:
a) Realise that you only need 1/4 of the fold in each side, so that the 
box ends up with a clean bottom (or lid).
b) Realise that when you assemble the box, these book folds end up as 
mountain folds, so you should turn over the paper before you do them. 
This will also make the assembly easier.


All such issues is not something to pour in at once while folding the 
first model with someone, but to be added gradually as the learners are 
ready.


And back to your original question, yes, a folding school vocabulary 
with illustrated exercises would be nice. Also difficult as you would 
have to decide on the folding level and prioritize what order to tell this.
I do believe that if you look around, much of it does exist in different 
places. In my own beginner's book I've tried to include technique 
boxes in appropriate places along with the models, starting with the 
elementary how to make a diagonal fold. And, by the way, instructing 
people in doing careful, sharp creases (as I said above, in my 
experience beginners, at least in Denmark, have more problems failing to 
make sharp creases than the opposite).


Best regards,
Hans

Hans Dybkjær
papirfoldning.dk
society: foldning.dk



Re: [Origami] Beginner's FAQ-like thing

2012-10-11 Thread Dominic D.
On 11/10/12 07.09, Chris Lott Wrote:
 
I don't know what over folding might be called, but I noticed that ... 
[snip]... when  folding, say, edges to a center crease they try for perfection 
and end up with a fold that is too tight or even a little overlapped, which 
comes back to haunt them when they are doing a reverse fold later, etc. In my 
admittedly limited experience, I find it's better to purposefully be a little 
imperfect and err on the side of a small gap and carefully making a good 
point than over folding...
 
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Hi,
 
This phenomenon you're describing seems to fit pretty well with the Fudge 
factor definition : A small gap deliberately left when folding to a crease 
(typically a centre crease) to make allowance for the thickness of the paper 
(source : BOS online origami glossary).
 
More generally, one good piece of advice to avoid this problem : Never make a 
crease sharp unless you are 100% sure you are making it precisely at its exact 
location (expressed originally - but in different words - by R. Lang on this 
list).
 
When looking at some models folded by novice folders, you can easily see all 
those little mistakes (often visible with points not aligning properly) that 
eventually sum up in an unclean (and sometimes... well, messy) final product.
 
The ability to make clean folds  - which include taking the fudge factor into 
consideration while folding - is a process that comes with practice. Also, many 
folders will have to slow the pace down significantly in order to achieve that 
level of clean-ness (unless their name is Stephan Weber ! ;-).
 
Regards,
 
Dominic