I
would agree with Darren, each developer should have their own instance of Orion
Server running on their own desktop. I'm assuming their machines are big enough
and if you're using any of the full featured IDE's like VisualAge, VisualCafe,
or JBuilder, than they probably can handle an instance of
Orion.
One of
the kindest things Evermind is doing is allowing developers free use of their
software for development purposes. Allaire just recently announced that
same approach, why, because when you the developers use your software they're
most likely to recommend it's use for production. I digress,
sorry.
Trying
to share an instance of the web server for developing servlets is futile.
I've been developing enterprise applications since 1983 on my PC, some were
strictly PC apps others were mainframe Cobol, and most were distributed using
C/C++ and now Java. I can't imagine sharing a development environment with
other developers at least not until you get to integrated testing.
You'll be amazed at how the time for development actually reduces and you can
end up with more features and a more solid product. If it takes someone 5
days to do something in a shared environment that would take 2 in a dedicated
one, by the time the 5th day rolls around they won't feel like spending more
time testing and fine tuning their piece.
I
think the biggest challenge will be to ensure you have someone who really
understands the Orion environment, otherwise, all is lost.There
area lot of developers that don't want to know how to admin apiece
of software like OrionServer, they just want to be users. If that's
the case, then I would think about running multiple instances of Orion on the
server for each developer or teams of developers assuming you have at least one
person who now becomes a dedicated admin resource.
my 2
cents.
Tom
-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven
PunteSent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:51 PMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Multiple User Debugging Env? Doesnt'
Exist?
Dear Darren:
Thank for you reply. I'm
coming to the same conclusion,
and I would like to ask the
Orion community at large, how
does everyone do
debugging?
1) Do you
set up individual web servers for each developer,
and thus use a normal debugging convention?
2) Is there
any way to share a server, in particular, allow
debugging by various developer of their actives,
while
allowing other user to work normally.
I'm coming to believe this later paradigm (i.e. "2") is
not
ever done and is probably
impractical.
What environment do you have
for debugging?
Any comments
welcomed.
STeve Puntee-Business Software ArchitectTechnologent
Inc[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Darren
Gibbons
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:18
PM
Subject: RE: Real Debuggin On Orion?
How
Steven,
AFAIK, there does not exist the ability to do what
you're looking for with any application server/IDE combo. I think you
are going to be stuck running the entire application server in debug mode to
step through the code.
While I haven't tried it with Orion, I've debugged
servlets in Resin using the 1.3 JDK, the JPDA (http://java.sun.com/products/jpda/)
and Forte (http://www.sun.com/forte/). I
don't see why this wouldn't work the same for Orion.
To
get around the issues with multiple developers, you might want to use CVS, a
central "unit test" development server, and individual servers installed on
each of the developers machines. Developers would check out the code
to their local machine, test on their local copy of Orion (with the ability
to run it in debugging mode without screwing everyone else up) and post
their changes back to the unit test server to check for
completeness.
As
a side note, CVS is a good thing if you're not using it already, especially
when multiple developers get into the mix...
Darren.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven
PunteSent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:28 AMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Re: Real Debuggin On Orion?
How
Rob:
Thanks for the
reply.
From your description it
sounds like the operation and control
of tomcat is taken over by
the IDE. No one else would be
able to use this server
while you are in this debug mode.
This same strategy
should/must be doable for Orion or
any other java based
server.
Perhaps my desire to have
a server BOTH be running
for some users, and
