RE:[Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split]

2000-10-19 Thread KirkYarina

I vote for email...

IMHO, If you work for a company that doesn't have email and a POP or IMAP 
server then perhaps you should work on that instead.  If it does you should 
be using your work email address, rather than a personal domain, if your 
Orion use is work related.

It looks like you're running your polozoff.com mail server off an ATT DSL 
connection; consider using procmail or something similar to forward a copy 
of orion-interest mail to your work email address.

Configuring and running a news server (been there) isn't as easy as it 
might seem, particularly if you're concerned about security, the periodic 
news DOS attacks, spam, etc.  If the newsgroup is publicly fed, or the 
spammers stumble across the server (they will),  you're broadcasting all 
our addresses out to the spammer community.

Besides, the Orion team's resources would be much better spent on 
documentation.  Otherwise they're going to fail and this list won't matter 
anyway.

Kirk

BTW, ejb-interest seems to have died after some clueless idiot started 
resending the last couple month's posts back to the list.

At 10:01 AM 10/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
I don't agree.  A newsgroup is a better way of categorizing topics.  If
you don't believe me take a look at the Weblogic and Toplink newsgroups.
Mailing lists are good for simple discussions.  Filtering emails is not a
reasonable solution for topical categorization of messages.  Especially if
you have to use a web based email client at work (because of a firewall)
and have a stand alone client at home.  Whereas a newsgroup always
contains a set hierarchy, whether you access from deja.com or a stand
alone client.

-Alexandre

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:53:00 +0200
Robert Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Could not agree more. don't any of you subscribe to other tech lists? I'm
surprised that there are people using orion that are not subscribed to
ejb-interest (excellent list and a must for people working with ejb
professionally IMHO) which has at least as much traffic as this one here.
Please learn how to use a mail client with filters and let's deal with a
high volume as soon as there is something to deal with and let's not start
a religious war on newgroup vs. mailingl ist (I'm pro mailing list btw
;-)). the negative side effects (people not knowing where to look,
crossposting etc.) would clearly outweight the benefits of splitting up
the
list IMHO.

robert

At 19:21 18.10.00 , you wrote:
 IMO, the mailing list is just fine. If there are too many messages for
your
 inbox, then you should filter it away. All the popular mail clients will
 handle this.

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 David S. Kenzik
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Joseph B. Ottinger said...
 
It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet
style) on
my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of
time,
as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it
out.
   
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote:
   
 I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web,
  it might

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  -Original Message-
  From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM
  To: Orion-Interest
  Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could
split
  the list
 
 
 
   Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to
  move these
   messages into their own folder.
 
  Good idea.

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(-) Robert Krüger


Kirk Yarina
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RE:[Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split]

2000-10-19 Thread KirkYarina

At 07:03 PM 10/19/00 +0200, you wrote:
At 12:23 19.10.00 , you wrote:
snip/

BTW, ejb-interest seems to have died after some clueless idiot started 
resending the last couple month's posts back to the list.

unbelievable

It may not be cause and effect...  or it may be somebody at Sun's gotten 
disgusted and turned it off for a while.

At least it's cut down on the "Urgent: I installed weblogic and it doesn't 
work" emails.


(-) Robert Krüger