I hope this discussion won't be too long.
I've used most of the best IDE outside.
Be it IBM VAJ, Borland JBuilder, WebGain, Oracle JDeveloper, Sun Forte,
IDEA.
I found at the end is not the tool...
It's more on our personality and requirement.
If you do Orion projects, probably JBuilder, JDeveloper, Forte and IDEA
suited best.
Cheers.
B. Adji Maharyatno
@Singapore
-Original Message-
From: Geoff Soutter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: OK, here's Real World: was: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java
IDE?
And don't forget we'll all be using Drag and Drop Visual tools to do
coding soon, so we won't even need tools like IDEA. I guess this will
make Computer Science degrees irrelevant as well?
LOL
Geoff
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Boss
Sent: Monday, 25 March 2002 10:27 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: Jarrod Roberson
Subject: OK, here's Real World: was: idea=$395.00USD was: RE:
Java IDE?
Hi Jarrod,
I would like to share some IBM insights with you relevant to some of
your comments ...
So anyone that chants the FREE mantra keep using Tomcat and Vi and
all the other free crap because in the end it will cost you
HUNDREDS TIMES more than buying a proper tool and saving
money over
the long haul. Then again if you are lowballing jobs, and
working on
crappy little projects all this is moot, why are you using Orion
then, why not use JBoss or any of the other FREE EJB containers. I
mean you COULD move a mountian with a plastic spoon,
hell they are
FREE at every fast food joint, but would'nt a sane and reasonable
person spend the money on real earth moving equipment and
get the job
done quickly so they could move on to the next paying job
moving the
next mountain.
Some time ago I was involved in IBM's San Fransisco project, about
which you may know. This enterrpise level tool was
very large and free for development I understand. Various tool makers
came up with ways of enhancing the development
process including the integration of the Rational suite of
products. OK.
That was the story from the West. It turned out that
the most productive developers of San Fransisco applications were NOT
the people who used fancy, expensive Yankee IDE's
or tools, but the teams of hundreds of Indian programmers
around Mumbai.
The Indian software houses could not afford to
pay guys like you, and provide guys like you with tools to make you
productive, and save you time, so you could be with your
family. No. They could afford to hire hundreds of developers
and provide
them with cheap development tools, like 'vi' ;), and
let them loose on a task. So from this International competitive
perspective your comments are way off the mark, the kind
of productivity you speak about, (great design guys, large scale
projects, etc) are irrelevant in the global domain. It
doesn't matter in the end how productive you are, or what
tools you use, you will NEVER
be able to compete with the developer farms of
countries like India, and just wait till China comes on line!
I guess
the same thing that happened to the Western clothing
industry WILL happen to the Western software development
business - it
will be moved off-shore into countries that have
large volumes of super-cheap educated labour, using free
development tools.
Unfortunately your comments sound like those of an ageing
Western prima
donna whose tunes are increasingly less
popular. Sure tools like Idea were built for prima donna Western
software developers ... but with developer farms coming
on line ... prima donnas and the tools that support them are becoming
less and less of a good business proposition.
Perhaps you could start a crappy little project that could
make you a
lot of money, so you could retire early?
;)
Regards
goffredo
