Re: OrionSupport
Hi Drissi - There are two excellent companies that have sprung up to offer Orion support - Elephantwalker and Atlassian (www.atlassian.com, www.elephantwalker.com). If their paid support is anything like their free forums, you will definitely be in good hands. Check them out. Cheers Ray Harrison --- RDrissi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everybody, Could anybody who purshased a support from orion, tell us how good it is in terms of pricing, response time ..etc. Thanks, Drissi. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/
Re: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Bill, send it to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Joe Walnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), or Mike, and we'll see about integrating it. One of the things that got lost when we translated orionsupport to its current look and feel was the "how to submit your own stuff" article, which is something I'd not realised. On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 11:35:11PM -0600, Bill Winspur wrote: Mike, went to the egroup on yahoo, signed up, but could not see any buttons/links to check/post messages. I have a 'howto setup a custom welcome-app' doc to submit for what its worth. Bill - Original Message - From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment. Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe Co.' people. Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives people ;) THE SITUATION: With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_ are currently happening: - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone just calm down ;) - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over the content / production of the site. - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( http://www.opensymphony.com - see gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug at the end of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process of upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. THE PROBLEM: - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion community in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been GETTING PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at it's trickling pace. - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really produce a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you can help. THE SOLUTION: I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something about it! I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport The manifesto of the group is: "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See http://www.orionserver.com for that" I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an even better resource for the community. -mike gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where you can help! For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion (OSContent for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) /gratuitious-OpenSymphony-plug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Cannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM To:
Re: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Mike, went to the egroup on yahoo, signed up, but could not see any buttons/links to check/post messages. I have a 'howto setup a custom welcome-app' doc to submit for what its worth. Bill - Original Message - From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment. Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe Co.' people. Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives people ;) THE SITUATION: With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_ are currently happening: - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone just calm down ;) - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over the content / production of the site. - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( http://www.opensymphony.com - see gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug at the end of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process of upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. THE PROBLEM: - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion community in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been GETTING PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at it's trickling pace. - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really produce a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you can help. THE SOLUTION: I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something about it! I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport The manifesto of the group is: "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See http://www.orionserver.com for that" I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an even better resource for the community. -mike gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where you can help! For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion (OSContent for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) /gratuitious-OpenSymphony-plug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Cannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe Co. and they are not responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport
RE: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Finally...will the REAL Mike Cannon please stand up? He has. Patience, folks. Michael J. Cannon Project Manager - hsqldb.org (formerly HyperSonicSQL) mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Cannon-Brookes Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:52 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment. Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe Co.' people. Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives people ;) THE SITUATION: With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_ are currently happening: - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone just calm down ;) - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over the content / production of the site. - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( http://www.opensymphony.com - see gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug at the end of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process of upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. THE PROBLEM: - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion community in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been GETTING PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at it's trickling pace. - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really produce a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you can help. THE SOLUTION: I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something about it! I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport The manifesto of the group is: "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See http://www.orionserver.com for that" I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an even better resource for the community. -mike gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where you can help! For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion (OSContent for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) /gratuitious-OpenSymphony-plug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Cannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe Co. and they are not responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for
Re: orionsupport website
You can mirror it if you'd like, but it's dynamically-generated. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Stan Ng wrote: Is orionsupport.com a static website? If so, I wouldn't mind mirroring it. I'm not sure what we would need to do to keep things synced up, but if I can get permission and a copy of the site, I'd be happy to try it out. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: OrionSupport
Chris, we're willing to accept nearly anything relevant, so whatever niche you can fill is fine by me. Thank you! On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Chris Bartling wrote: Joseph, I would be interested in contributing to orionsupport. I've been using Orion as more of a learning tool (I have experiences with Sybase EAServer and I'm just starting a gig using iPlanet's App Server). One thing that I'd like to see with orionsupport is conversations/reviews/etc. which are recorded, much in the same way as Slashdot and theserverside.com. Anyhoo, let me know how I can get involved. I would like to write up some stuff on the various deployment descriptors involved in using J2EE and Orion specifically and using Apache Ant and EJBDoclet to construct and build EJBs for Orion. -- chris -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph B. Ottinger Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 7:17 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: OrionSupport A week or so ago, I posted a new document to OrionSupport: http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision.html In this, titled "In the Future," I try to address what I see OrionSupport being, and what facilities I'd like it to provide. This is a community effort; in addition to lack of knowledge, I've a severe lack of time, but not will. However, this would be a LOT easier to see happen if I had specific input and contributions from you, the Orion community. If you've expertise in one of the areas mentioned, please let me know. I need code as well as contributions; code that doubles as a contribution to the site content is best, since that's more or less the modus operandi I see for OrionSupport (i.e., "Here's how you do X -- and we know it works, because OrionSupport uses it in exactly this way.") Please let me know what you'd like to see, as well. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: OrionSupport
Hi Joseph, I don't have anything to contribute just at the moment, but when I get further along with a couple of my projects, I will be happy to contribute. Great site -- I am grateful for your help. Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:17 AM 12/21/00 -0500, you wrote: A week or so ago, I posted a new document to OrionSupport: http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision.html In this, titled "In the Future," I try to address what I see OrionSupport being, and what facilities I'd like it to provide. This is a community effort; in addition to lack of knowledge, I've a severe lack of time, but not will. However, this would be a LOT easier to see happen if I had specific input and contributions from you, the Orion community. If you've expertise in one of the areas mentioned, please let me know. I need code as well as contributions; code that doubles as a contribution to the site content is best, since that's more or less the modus operandi I see for OrionSupport (i.e., "Here's how you do X -- and we know it works, because OrionSupport uses it in exactly this way.") Please let me know what you'd like to see, as well. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
