Mike,
went to the egroup on yahoo, signed up, but could not see any buttons/links
to check/post messages. I have a 'howto setup a custom welcome-app' doc to
submit for what its worth.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it!
WAS RE: productive comment.
> Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe & Co.'
> people.
>
> Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this
> whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm
> having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives
> people ;)
>
>
> THE SITUATION:
> With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_
are
> currently happening:
>
> - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not
> answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone
just
> calm down ;)
>
> - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done
> by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I
> have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over
> the content / production of the site.
>
> - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has
> fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive
> of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com
>
> - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a
> previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies (
> http://www.opensymphony.com - see <gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug> at the
end
> of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process
of
> upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with
> community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least.
>
>
> THE PROBLEM:
> - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion
community
> in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been
GETTING
> PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant
> http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html .
>
> BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at
it's
> trickling pace.
>
> - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they
> just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular
> area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really
produce
> a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you
> can help.
>
>
> THE SOLUTION:
> I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has
> driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too,
> Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it"
> emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something
> about it!
>
> I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group
> yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport
>
> The manifesto of the group is:
> "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport (
> http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc.
> NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See
> http://www.orionserver.com for that"
>
> I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an
even
> better resource for the community.
>
> -mike
>
> <gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug>
> If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced
> Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at
> http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing,
> developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where
> you can help!
>
> For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion
(OSContent
> for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout,
> OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties /
> personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com
>
> (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page
> views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;))
> </gratuitious-OpenSymphony-plug>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J.
> > Cannon
> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: productive comment.
> >
> >
> > Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe & Co. and
> > they are not
> > responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line).
> >
> > Michael J. Cannon
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng
> > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: Re: productive comment.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support
> > > effort run on a
> > > volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's
development
> > > machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder
> > > some of the
> > > costs in moving everything over to an ISP host.
> > >
> > > There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been
> > very open
> > > and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those
> > > good folks
> > > a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources.
> > >
> > > Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm
> > > worried about
> > > is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can
> > > do to help
> > > out the guys at orionserver/ironflare?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael J. Cannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM
> > > Subject: RE: productive comment.
> > >
> > >
> > > > RE: How do we take the next step?
> > > >
> > > > A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the
computer
> > > > culture.
> > > >
> > > > orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick
'em.
> > > Don't
> > > > need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest
> > > group,'
> > > > as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special'
> > circumstance or make
> > > > unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning.
> > > >
> > > > I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted
> > > connection. I know
> > > > an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run
> > > services
> > > > for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and
> > accesses through a
> > > > multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a
> > > small CLEC).
> > > > They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's
> > > (turn-around
> > > > is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the
> > > internic).
> > > > I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host
> > costs, and,
> > > > after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site
on
> > > > Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better.
> > > >
> > > > Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help?
> > > >
> > > > Michael Cannon
> > > > mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
