Re: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Bill, send it to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Joe Walnes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), or Mike, and we'll see about integrating it. One of the things that got lost when we translated orionsupport to its current look and feel was the "how to submit your own stuff" article, which is something I'd not realised. On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 11:35:11PM -0600, Bill Winspur wrote: > Mike, > went to the egroup on yahoo, signed up, but could not see any buttons/links > to check/post messages. I have a 'howto setup a custom welcome-app' doc to > submit for what its worth. > Bill > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:52 PM > Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! > WAS RE: productive comment. > > > > Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe & Co.' > > people. > > > > Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this > > whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm > > having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives > > people ;) > > > > > > THE SITUATION: > > With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_ > are > > currently happening: > > > > - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not > > answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone > just > > calm down ;) > > > > - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done > > by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I > > have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over > > the content / production of the site. > > > > - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has > > fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive > > of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com > > > > - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a > > previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( > > http://www.opensymphony.com - see at the > end > > of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process > of > > upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with > > community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. > > > > > > THE PROBLEM: > > - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion > community > > in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been > GETTING > > PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant > > http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . > > > > BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at > it's > > trickling pace. > > > > - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they > > just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular > > area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really > produce > > a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you > > can help. > > > > > > THE SOLUTION: > > I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has > > driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, > > Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" > > emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something > > about it! > > > > I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group > > yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport > > > > The manifesto of the group is: > > "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( > > http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. > > NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See > > http://www.orionserver.com for that" > > > > I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an > even > > better resource for the community. > > > > -mike > > > > > > If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced > > Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at > > http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, > > developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where > > you can help! > > > > For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion > (OSContent > > for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, > > OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / > > personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com > > > > (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page > > views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTEC
Re: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Mike, went to the egroup on yahoo, signed up, but could not see any buttons/links to check/post messages. I have a 'howto setup a custom welcome-app' doc to submit for what its worth. Bill - Original Message - From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment. > Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe & Co.' > people. > > Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this > whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm > having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives > people ;) > > > THE SITUATION: > With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_ are > currently happening: > > - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not > answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone just > calm down ;) > > - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done > by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I > have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over > the content / production of the site. > > - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has > fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive > of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com > > - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a > previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( > http://www.opensymphony.com - see at the end > of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process of > upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with > community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. > > > THE PROBLEM: > - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion community > in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been GETTING > PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant > http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . > > BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at it's > trickling pace. > > - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they > just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular > area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really produce > a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you > can help. > > > THE SOLUTION: > I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has > driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, > Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" > emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something > about it! > > I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group > yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport > > The manifesto of the group is: > "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( > http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. > NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See > http://www.orionserver.com for that" > > I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an even > better resource for the community. > > -mike > > > If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced > Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at > http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, > developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where > you can help! > > For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion (OSContent > for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, > OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / > personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com > > (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page > views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. > > Cannon > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: RE: productive comment. > > > > > > Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe & Co. and > > they are not > > responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). > > > > Michael J. Cannon > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng > > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM > > > To: Orion-Interest > > > Subject: Re: productive co
RE: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Finally...will the REAL Mike Cannon please stand up? He has. Patience, folks. Michael J. Cannon Project Manager - hsqldb.org (formerly HyperSonicSQL) mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike > Cannon-Brookes > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:52 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read > it! WAS RE: productive comment. > > > Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe & Co.' > people. > > Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this > whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm > having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives > people ;) > > > THE SITUATION: > With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I > _know_ are > currently happening: > > - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not > answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. > Everyone just > calm down ;) > > - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done > by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I > have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over > the content / production of the site. > > - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has > fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive > of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com > > - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a > previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( > http://www.opensymphony.com - see > at the end > of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the > process of > upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with > community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. > > > THE PROBLEM: > - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the > Orion community > in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has > been GETTING > PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant > http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . > > BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move > ahead at it's > trickling pace. > > - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they > just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular > area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can > really produce > a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you > can help. > > > THE SOLUTION: > I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has > driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, > Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" > emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something > about it! > > I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group > yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport > > The manifesto of the group is: > "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( > http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. > NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See > http://www.orionserver.com for that" > > I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make > OrionSupport an even > better resource for the community. > > -mike > > > If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced > Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at > http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, > developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where > you can help! > > For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion > (OSContent > for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, > OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / > personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com > > (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page > views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. > > Cannon > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: RE: productive comment. > > > > > > Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe & Co. and > > they are not > > responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). > > > > Michael J. Cannon > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng > > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM > > > To: Orion-In
