Re: SV: Off topic: development tools
On Tuesday 12 December 2000 01:47, Chris Bartling wrote: I'm using EJBDoclet and Apache Ant 1.2 for my EJB development with Orion. Easy to setup and use, extensible (both EJBDoclet and Ant allow extension by subclass/interface implementation). I also use JUnit for all EJB unit tests (testing home and remote interfaces) and integration tests. Total cost: $0. All of these tools are open source and support our lightweight development process, loosely based on XP. As for the IDE, I use UltraEdit-32 for Java files and HomeSite 4.5.1 for JSP work. All seems to work well together. From my standpoint, I want a repeatable deployment process, all these tools used in conjunction give me that. Hi, Chirs. Could you please send the URL's of these apps? []s Guilherme Ceschiatti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: Off topic: development tools
Ant: http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/ EJBDoclet: http://www.dreambean.com/ejbdoclet.html JUnit: http://www.junit.org/ XP: http://www.xprogramming.com/ (Not a tool but a development methodology) UltraEdit: http://www.ultraedit.com/ I fully endorse and encourage the use of Ant, EJBDoclet, and JUnit. They're all incredible tools. UltraEdit, well... it's a nice Notepad replacement but hardly an editor. As for Extreme Programming, it's certainly appropriately named. I wonder if anyone's actually adopted the process in it's entirety. I think anyone doing "internet" development these days is doing something "loosely based on XP" whether they realize it or not. -- Jason Rimmer "If it isn't true, it should be, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if we could afford it, it would be." - Original Message - From: "Guilherme Ceschiatti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Re: SV: Off topic: development tools On Tuesday 12 December 2000 01:47, Chris Bartling wrote: I'm using EJBDoclet and Apache Ant 1.2 for my EJB development with Orion. Easy to setup and use, extensible (both EJBDoclet and Ant allow extension by subclass/interface implementation). I also use JUnit for all EJB unit tests (testing home and remote interfaces) and integration tests. Total cost: $0. All of these tools are open source and support our lightweight development process, loosely based on XP. As for the IDE, I use UltraEdit-32 for Java files and HomeSite 4.5.1 for JSP work. All seems to work well together. From my standpoint, I want a repeatable deployment process, all these tools used in conjunction give me that. Hi, Chirs. Could you please send the URL's of these apps? []s Guilherme Ceschiatti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SV: Off topic: development tools
For using JUnit with Orion, you might want to look at: http://www.infohazard.org/junitee There is also another similar project called J2EEUnit at http://j2eeunit.sourceforge.net I haven't tried the later, but it looks a lot more complicated. It provides the HttpRequest, HttpSession, etc to the test case - although why that would be useful is somewhat of a mystery to me, since IMHO important logic should all be in EJBs :-) Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jason Rimmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:13 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: SV: Off topic: development tools Ant: http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/ EJBDoclet: http://www.dreambean.com/ejbdoclet.html JUnit: http://www.junit.org/ XP: http://www.xprogramming.com/ (Not a tool but a development methodology) UltraEdit: http://www.ultraedit.com/ I fully endorse and encourage the use of Ant, EJBDoclet, and JUnit. They're all incredible tools. UltraEdit, well... it's a nice Notepad replacement but hardly an editor. As for Extreme Programming, it's certainly appropriately named. I wonder if anyone's actually adopted the process in it's entirety. I think anyone doing "internet" development these days is doing something "loosely based on XP" whether they realize it or not. -- Jason Rimmer "If it isn't true, it should be, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if we could afford it, it would be." - Original Message - From: "Guilherme Ceschiatti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Re: SV: Off topic: development tools On Tuesday 12 December 2000 01:47, Chris Bartling wrote: I'm using EJBDoclet and Apache Ant 1.2 for my EJB development with Orion. Easy to setup and use, extensible (both EJBDoclet and Ant allow extension by subclass/interface implementation). I also use JUnit for all EJB unit tests (testing home and remote interfaces) and integration tests. Total cost: $0. All of these tools are open source and support our lightweight development process, loosely based on XP. As for the IDE, I use UltraEdit-32 for Java files and HomeSite 4.5.1 for JSP work. All seems to work well together. From my standpoint, I want a repeatable deployment process, all these tools used in conjunction give me that. Hi, Chirs. Could you please send the URL's of these apps? []s Guilherme Ceschiatti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SV: Off topic: development tools
Sure. Here they are... EJBDoclet: http://www.dreambean.com JUnit: http://www.junit.org Apache Ant and other Apache Java initiatives: http://jakarta.apache.org UltraEdit-32: http://www.ultraedit.com HomeSite: http://www.allaire.com Hope this helps. -- chris -- -Original Message- From: Guilherme Ceschiatti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:24 PM To: Orion-Interest; Chris Bartling Subject: Re: SV: Off topic: development tools On Tuesday 12 December 2000 01:47, Chris Bartling wrote: I'm using EJBDoclet and Apache Ant 1.2 for my EJB development with Orion. Easy to setup and use, extensible (both EJBDoclet and Ant allow extension by subclass/interface implementation). I also use JUnit for all EJB unit tests (testing home and remote interfaces) and integration tests. Total cost: $0. All of these tools are open source and support our lightweight development process, loosely based on XP. As for the IDE, I use UltraEdit-32 for Java files and HomeSite 4.5.1 for JSP work. All seems to work well together. From my standpoint, I want a repeatable deployment process, all these tools used in conjunction give me that. Hi, Chirs. Could you please send the URL's of these apps? []s Guilherme Ceschiatti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: Off topic: development tools
flamebait Of course, you could always do what real men/women do and use vi/emacs, that way you never play the silly version/feature/vendor game, and can rest easy at night knowing that your java code is all yours, and that no tool has done horrible things to you and your code behind your back! /flamebait On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After looking on JBuilder 4 Enterprise im dissapointed. The editor is huge, but JSP support is really bad, + EJB support is virtually not there. For a påroduct that expensive i recomend you to stay FAR away from it, its not worth it. Visual Cafe is sold from webgain (See webgain studio, looks like a good package).. Forte Internet edition actually support Enterprise development just as good as JBuilder, only the CVS support in forte is good enough to work against a pserver, JBuilder dont have support for notification/edit-unedit + branching + some basic cvs commands like add and so on, so the CVS support JBuilder claims to have is just on paper nothing else. To use any Enterprise IDE i would recomend at least 512 MB ram and maby TogetherJ is just what you need, the Enterprise support in that product is Excelent, but its even more expensive than JBuilder :) Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra:J.T. Wenting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 11. desember 2000 13:19 Til:Orion-Interest Emne: RE: Off topic: development tools JBuilder is an excellent tool, especially version 4. Previous versions suffered from relatively poor performance and were prone to craching due to the JVM leaking memory at an alarming rate. While no problem with JBuilder per se, it did mean that JBuilder fell behind in the polls compared to IDEs that are not pure Java. JDeveloper is indeed based on JBuilder, but on a very early version (2.0 I think, maybe even 1.0). I do not think the current version should be seen as a direct clone of current JBuilder versions. I am using JBuilder for creating all kinds of Java apps, but not EJBs. We use iPlanet webserver for deployment which does not support EJB, so I would have nowhere to run them :) I tried getting Orion into the organization here but corporate standards say iPlanet and Websphere... Ant is not an IDE, but rather a replacement for ye olde make. You could look at Forte, but it is designed more for Swing GUIs with little support for serverside apps, and suffers heavily from memory bloat and leakage. If anyone knows who currently markets Visual Cafe? I cannot recommend Visual Age for Java. It is huge, slow and a resource hog (better not use it on any machine with 256MB RAM, more is better). Also, I personally find the interface highly confusing and unintuitive. It is also linked more or less completely with Websphere alone. Jeroen T. Wenting [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:03 To: Orion-Interest Subject:Off topic: development tools Hello everybody, I am in the process of selecting an IDE for developing J2EE applications on Orion. I would appreciate any advice on the subject. I've noticed from emails that JBuilder is quite popular. Other contenders that I know off are: Visual Café, JDeveloper (Oracle flavour of JBuilder), public domain tools like Ant, etc. The features I am mainly interested in are: ability to develop for different Apps Servers, visual debugging, validation of conformance with specifications (e.g. for EJBs). I will be grateful for your comments and recommendations. Thanks, Jarek Skreta
Re: SV: Off topic: development tools
Ah, unix programmers ;P Nothing is wrong with this approach, however I've had quite alot of success with IBM Visual Age for Java, as well. Bit of a memory hog, being java based, but excellent for developing code. jsp programming I simply do in HomeSite v4.5. Reliable, cost-effective combination. Derek AkersSenior Software ArchitectEldan Softwarewww.eldan.com - Original Message - From: "Hani Suleiman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:00 AM Subject: Re: SV: Off topic: development tools flamebaitOf course, you could always do what real men/women do and use vi/emacs,that way you never play the silly version/feature/vendor game, and canrest easy at night knowing that your java code is all yours, and that notool has done horrible things to you and your code behind your back!/flamebaitOn Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After looking on JBuilder 4 Enterprise im dissapointed. The editor is huge, but JSP support is really bad, + EJB support is virtually not there. For a påroduct that expensive i recomend you to stay FAR away from it, its not worth it. Visual Cafe is sold from webgain (See webgain studio, looks like a good package).. Forte Internet edition actually support Enterprise development just as good as JBuilder, only the CVS support in forte is good enough to work against a pserver, JBuilder dont have support for notification/edit-unedit + branching + some basic cvs commands like add and so on, so the CVS support JBuilder claims to have is just on paper nothing else. To use any Enterprise IDE i would recomend at least 512 MB ram and maby TogetherJ is just what you need, the Enterprise support in that product is Excelent, but its even more expensive than JBuilder :) Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: J.T. Wenting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 11. desember 2000 13:19 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: RE: Off topic: development toolsJBuilder is an excellent tool, especially version 4. Previous versions suffered from relatively poor performance and were prone to craching due to the JVM leaking memory at an alarming rate. While no problem with JBuilder per se, it did mean that JBuilder fell behind in the polls compared to IDEs that are not pure Java. JDeveloper is indeed based on JBuilder, but on a very early version (2.0 I think, maybe even 1.0). I do not think the current version should be seen as a direct clone of current JBuilder versions.I am using JBuilder for creating all kinds of Java apps, but not EJBs. We use iPlanet webserver for deployment which does not support EJB, so I would have nowhere to run them :) I tried getting Orion into the organization here but corporate standards say iPlanet and Websphere... Ant is not an IDE, but rather a replacement for ye olde make. You could look at Forte, but it is designed more for Swing GUIs with little support for serverside apps, and suffers heavily from memory bloat and leakage. If anyone knows who currently markets Visual Cafe? I cannot recommend Visual Age for Java. It is huge, slow and a resource hog (better not use it on any machine with 256MB RAM, more is better). Also, I personally find the interface highly confusing and unintuitive. It is also linked more or less completely with Websphere alone.Jeroen T. Wenting [EMAIL PROTECTED]Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:03 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Off topic: development toolsHello everybody,I am in the process of selecting an IDE for developing J2EE applications on Orion. I would appreciate any advice on the subject. I've noticed from emails that JBuilder is quite popular. Other contenders that I know off are: Visual Café, JDeveloper (Oracle flavour of JBuilder), public domain tools like Ant, etc.The features I am mainly interested in are: ability to develop for different Apps Servers, visual debugging, validation of conformance with specifications (e.g. for EJBs). I will be grateful for your comments and recommendations.Thanks, Jarek Skreta
RE: SV: Off topic: development tools
Again, except for not having intellisense (JBuilder Forte have it), check out Pramati Studio I just code my bean and a wizard generates my home remote intefaces... I can package apps easily And have an all in one solution Another 'minus' may be the lack of an official CVS module, but all and all, it's the best EJB IDE I've tried JP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Lunes, 11 de Diciembre de 2000 12:33 To: Orion-Interest Subject: SV: SV: Off topic: development tools Youre right is flamebait :) I do use vi aswell, but for an enterprise editor that should save you work, JBuilder dont work, since there is no synchronization of remote/home/bean/deploymentdescriptor + no database generation of Containermanaged beans I can't see the point using that much money on an editor. Im sure there are other tools out there doing the job a whole lot better. To say something about the editor in JBuilder, its very fast and lightwaight, the best one ive tried. And they have an excelent deployment descriptor editor for EJB, but hey its not the deployment descriptor thats the prob, its all that code editing :) If anyone have any tips on IDEs that support synching of EJBs (remote, home, bean, pk, deployment-descriptor) pls post a note on this list :) My department is looking for one. We found one and that is TogetherJ, only TogetherJ dont support GUI development other than plain coding, but hey thats timeconsuming compared to dd GUI development. Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 11. desember 2000 15:01 Til: Orion-Interest Emne: Re: SV: Off topic: development tools flamebait Of course, you could always do what real men/women do and use vi/emacs, that way you never play the silly version/feature/vendor game, and can rest easy at night knowing that your java code is all yours, and that no tool has done horrible things to you and your code behind your back! /flamebait On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After looking on JBuilder 4 Enterprise im dissapointed. The editor is huge, but JSP support is really bad, + EJB support is virtually not there. For a påroduct that expensive i recomend you to stay FAR away from it, its not worth it. Visual Cafe is sold from webgain (See webgain studio, looks like a good package).. Forte Internet edition actually support Enterprise development just as good as JBuilder, only the CVS support in forte is good enough to work against a pserver, JBuilder dont have support for notification/edit-unedit + branching + some basic cvs commands like add and so on, so the CVS support JBuilder claims to have is just on paper nothing else. To use any Enterprise IDE i would recomend at least 512 MB ram and maby TogetherJ is just what you need, the Enterprise support in that product is Excelent, but its even more expensive than JBuilder :) Klaus Myrseth -Opprinnelig melding- Fra:J.T. Wenting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 11. desember 2000 13:19 Til:Orion-Interest Emne: RE: Off topic: development tools JBuilder is an excellent tool, especially version 4. Previous versions suffered from relatively poor performance and were prone to craching due to the JVM leaking memory at an alarming rate. While no problem with JBuilder per se, it did mean that JBuilder fell behind in the polls compared to IDEs that are not pure Java. JDeveloper is indeed based on JBuilder, but on a very early version (2.0 I think, maybe even 1.0). I do not think the current version should be seen as a direct clone of current JBuilder versions. I am using JBuilder for creating all kinds of Java apps, but not EJBs. We use iPlanet webserver for deployment which does not support EJB, so I would have nowhere to run them :) I tried getting Orion into the organization here but corporate standards say iPlanet and Websphere... Ant is not an IDE, but rather a replacement for ye olde make. You could look at Forte, but it is designed more for Swing GUIs with little support for serverside apps, and suffers heavily from memory bloat and leakage. If anyone knows who currently markets Visual Cafe? I cannot recommend Visual Age for Java. It is huge, slow and a resource hog (better not use it on any machine with 256MB RAM, more is better). Also, I personally find the interface highly confusing and unintuitive. It is also linked more or less completely with Websphere alone. Jeroen T. Wenting [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:03 To: Orion-Interest Subject:Off topic: development tools Hello everybody, I am in the process of selecting an IDE for developing J2EE
RE: SV: Off topic: development tools
If anyone have any tips on IDEs that support synching of EJBs (remote, home, bean, pk, deployment-descriptor) pls post a note on this list :) I haven't tried it, but you might look at EJBDoclet at http://www.dreambean.com/ejbdoclet.html. It seems cool enough. :) Plus, I think you can get the code, so if it doesn't meet your needs, it gives you a starting point. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SV: Off topic: development tools
Again, except for not having intellisense (JBuilder Forte have it), check out Pramati Studio I just code my bean and a wizard generates my home remote intefaces... I can package apps easily And have an all in one solution Another 'minus' may be the lack of an official CVS module, but all and all, it's the best EJB IDE I've tried Have you looked into jCVS http://trustice.com/java/jcvs/? It has the ability to drive applications, so that when you double click a file in jCVS, it opens in your application. And jCVS monitors file status in real-time, so it always reflects your files' update status. It is 100% Java and it is open source. tim.
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EJBDoclet is awesome. We have taken it and extended it to meet our needs. It automatically generates the home, remote, the deployment descriptors, and we also auto gen a utility class that allows to access all of the availabe home objects. Couldn't recommend it higher! James Birchfield Ironmax a better way to buy, sell and rent construction equipment 5 Corporate Center 9960 Corporate Campus Drive, Suite 2000 Louisville, KY 40223 |+ || Jason Boehle | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || Sent by: | || owner-orion-interest@orion| || server.com| ||| ||| || 12/11/00 02:04 PM | || Please respond to | || Orion-Interest| ||| |+ ---| | | | To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: RE: SV: Off topic: development tools | ---| If anyone have any tips on IDEs that support synching of EJBs (remote, home, bean, pk, deployment-descriptor) pls post a note on this list :) I haven't tried it, but you might look at EJBDoclet at http://www.dreambean.com/ejbdoclet.html. It seems cool enough. :) Plus, I think you can get the code, so if it doesn't meet your needs, it gives you a starting point. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SV: Off topic: development tools
I'm using EJBDoclet and Apache Ant 1.2 for my EJB development with Orion. Easy to setup and use, extensible (both EJBDoclet and Ant allow extension by subclass/interface implementation). I also use JUnit for all EJB unit tests (testing home and remote interfaces) and integration tests. Total cost: $0. All of these tools are open source and support our lightweight development process, loosely based on XP. As for the IDE, I use UltraEdit-32 for Java files and HomeSite 4.5.1 for JSP work. All seems to work well together. From my standpoint, I want a repeatable deployment process, all these tools used in conjunction give me that. Just my $0.02 worth. -- chris -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Boehle Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:05 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: SV: Off topic: development tools If anyone have any tips on IDEs that support synching of EJBs (remote, home, bean, pk, deployment-descriptor) pls post a note on this list :) I haven't tried it, but you might look at EJBDoclet at http://www.dreambean.com/ejbdoclet.html. It seems cool enough. :) Plus, I think you can get the code, so if it doesn't meet your needs, it gives you a starting point. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
