<flamebait>
Of course, you could always do what real men/women do and use vi/emacs,
that way you never play the silly version/feature/vendor game, and can
rest easy at night knowing that your java code is all yours, and that no
tool has done horrible things to you and your code behind your back!
</flamebait>
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> After looking on JBuilder 4 Enterprise im dissapointed. The editor is huge,
> but JSP support is really bad, + EJB support is virtually not there. For a
> påroduct that expensive i recomend you to stay FAR away from it, its not
> worth it.
>
> Visual Cafe is sold from webgain (See webgain studio, looks like a good
> package)..
>
> Forte Internet edition actually support Enterprise development just as good
> as JBuilder, only the CVS support in forte is good enough to work against a
> pserver, JBuilder dont have support for notification/edit-unedit + branching
> + some basic cvs commands like add and so on, so the CVS support JBuilder
> claims to have is just on paper nothing else.
>
> To use any Enterprise IDE i would recomend at least 512 MB ram and maby
> TogetherJ is just what you need, the Enterprise support in that product is
> Excelent, but its even more expensive than JBuilder :)
>
> Klaus Myrseth
>
>
>
> > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > Fra: J.T. Wenting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sendt: 11. desember 2000 13:19
> > Til: Orion-Interest
> > Emne: RE: Off topic: development tools
> >
> > JBuilder is an excellent tool, especially version 4. Previous versions
> > suffered from relatively poor performance and were prone to craching due
> > to the JVM leaking memory at an alarming rate. While no problem with
> > JBuilder per se, it did mean that JBuilder fell behind in the polls
> > compared to IDEs that are not pure Java.
> > JDeveloper is indeed based on JBuilder, but on a very early version (2.0 I
> > think, maybe even 1.0). I do not think the current version should be seen
> > as a direct clone of current JBuilder versions.
> >
> > I am using JBuilder for creating all kinds of Java apps, but not EJBs. We
> > use iPlanet webserver for deployment which does not support EJB, so I
> > would have nowhere to run them :) I tried getting Orion into the
> > organization here but corporate standards say iPlanet and Websphere...
> >
> > Ant is not an IDE, but rather a replacement for ye olde make. You could
> > look at Forte, but it is designed more for Swing GUIs with little support
> > for serverside apps, and suffers heavily from memory bloat and leakage.
> > If anyone knows who currently markets Visual Cafe?
> > I cannot recommend Visual Age for Java. It is huge, slow and a resource
> > hog (better not use it on any machine with <256MB RAM, more is better).
> > Also, I personally find the interface highly confusing and unintuitive. It
> > is also linked more or less completely with Websphere alone.
> >
> > Jeroen T. Wenting
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:03
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Off topic: development tools
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I am in the process of selecting an IDE for developing J2EE
> > applications on Orion. I would appreciate any advice on the subject. I've
> > noticed from emails that JBuilder is quite popular. Other contenders that
> > I know off are: Visual Café, JDeveloper (Oracle flavour of JBuilder),
> > public domain tools like Ant, etc.
> >
> > The features I am mainly interested in are: ability to develop for
> > different Apps Servers, visual debugging, validation of conformance with
> > specifications (e.g. for EJBs).
> >
> > I will be grateful for your comments and recommendations.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jarek Skreta
> >
> >
>
>
