RE: Real Debuggin On Orion? How
Put my vote in for IBM Visual Age for Java support. All you would need to do is get Orion to run within IBM Visual Age. I have tried this, but it doesnt work. It works quite well with Tomcat, and I can debug servlets very nicely (www.ibm.com/vadd has details on how to do this). But I would really like to be able to debug EJBs from within the IDE. This also begs the question of what Orion themselves are using. Is it straight JDK, or one of the IDEs? Regards, Rob Lapensee Director of Technology Delfour Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delfour.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven Punte Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:29 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Dear Orion, and Orion Users: How does one do serious servlet and server side java bean debugging on orion? I understand how I could run the jdb debugger on the entire Orion server, but I expect a more user friendly and productive mechanism on a commercial product. In particular, I have several developers all using the same orion process to server from. Being that Orion is 100% Java, and how wonderful Java is, is there, or is the Orion company working on a way, that I as a developer could debug a particular threadwhich is initiatedbythe browser I'musing? And it would be nice if it an IDE could interface with it. Sure, it is not straight forwardto implement, but something that is desperately needed by developers. And, yes, send me a million dollars while your at it! :-) STeve Punte e-Business Software Architect Technologent Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Real Debuggin On Orion? How
Rob: Thanks for the reply. This is very interesting. So WebSphere has the ability to allow a particular thread, and their dependences, to be debugged without putting the entire server into debug mode. Is this a correct perception of you statement, or is the debugging mode taking over the server completely and it is not usable by other when in this mode? Sincerely STeve Punte - Original Message - From: Rob Lapensee To: Orion-Interest Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:30 AM Subject: RE: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Put my vote in for IBM Visual Age for Java support. All you would need to do is get Orion to run within IBM Visual Age. I have tried this, but it doesnt work. It works quite well with Tomcat, and I can debug servlets very nicely (www.ibm.com/vadd has details on how to do this). But I would really like to be able to debug EJBs from within the IDE. This also begs the question of what Orion themselves are using. Is it straight JDK, or one of the IDEs? Regards, Rob Lapensee Director of Technology Delfour Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delfour.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven PunteSent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:29 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Dear Orion, and Orion Users: How does one do serious servlet and server side java bean debugging on orion? I understand how I could run the jdb debugger on the entire Orion server, but I expect a more user friendly and productive mechanism on a commercial product. In particular, I have several developers all using the same orion process to server from. Being that Orion is 100% Java, and how wonderful Java is, is there, or is the Orion company working on a way, that I as a developer could debug a particular threadwhich is initiatedbythe browser I'musing? And it would be nice if it an IDE could interface with it. Sure, it is not straight forwardto implement, but something that is desperately needed by developers. And, yes, send me a million dollars while your at it! :-) STeve Puntee-Business Software ArchitectTechnologent Inc[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Real Debuggin On Orion? How
Rob: Thanks for the reply. From your description it sounds like the operation and control of tomcat is taken over by the IDE. No one else would be able to use this server while you are in this debug mode. This same strategy should/must be doable for Orion or any other java based server. Perhaps my desire to have a server BOTH be running for some users, and also be able to support a debugging mode is too much to ask for. Sincerely: Steve Punte - Original Message - From: Rob Lapensee To: Steven Punte ; Orion-Interest Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Perhaps I should clarify Strictly speaking of servlets, not JSPs. Tomcat can be imported into IBM Visual Age for Java. Once this is done, a small java program can be written to start up tomcat from within the IBM Visual Age for Java IDE. If a break point is set on any servlet code, since Tomcat is running within IBM Visual Age for Java, then when the browser hits the correct servlet, and the correct line of code, it will stop the servlet and show the code on the IDE in debugging mode. At this point you can step through the program line by line. The browser will wait until the servlet completes to show any results. Again the full information is somewhere in www.ibm.com/vadd Note that I used IBM Visual Age professional, which does not have WebSphere in it. Regards, Rob Lapensee Director of Technology Delfour Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delfour.com -Original Message-From: Steven Punte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:38 PMTo: Rob Lapensee; Orion-InterestSubject: Re: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Rob: Thanks for the reply. This is very interesting. So WebSphere has the ability to allow a particular thread, and their dependences, to be debugged without putting the entire server into debug mode. Is this a correct perception of you statement, or is the debugging mode taking over the server completely and it is not usable by other when in this mode? Sincerely STeve Punte - Original Message - From: Rob Lapensee To: Orion-Interest Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:30 AM Subject: RE: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Put my vote in for IBM Visual Age for Java support. All you would need to do is get Orion to run within IBM Visual Age. I have tried this, but it doesnt work. It works quite well with Tomcat, and I can debug servlets very nicely (www.ibm.com/vadd has details on how to do this). But I would really like to be able to debug EJBs from within the IDE. This also begs the question of what Orion themselves are using. Is it straight JDK, or one of the IDEs? Regards, Rob Lapensee Director of Technology Delfour Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.delfour.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven PunteSent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:29 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Real Debuggin On Orion? How Dear Orion, and Orion Users: How does one do serious servlet and server side java bean debugging on orion? I understand how I could run the jdb debugger on the entire Orion server, but I expect a more user friendly and productive mechanism on a commercial product. In particular, I have several developers all using the same orion process to server from. Being that Orion is 100% Java, and how wonderful Java is, is there, or is the Orion company working on a way, that I as a developer could debug a particular threadwhich is initiatedbythe browser I'musing? And it would be nice if it an IDE could interface with it. Sure, it is not straight forwardto implement, but something that is desperately needed by developers. And, yes, send me a million dollars while your at it! :-) STeve Puntee-Business Software ArchitectTechnologent Inc[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Real Debuggin On Orion? How
Steven,
AFAIK,
there does not exist the ability to do what you're looking for with any
application server/IDE combo. I think you are going to be stuck running
the entire application server in debug mode to step through the
code.
While
I haven't tried it with Orion, I've debugged servlets in Resin using the 1.3
JDK, the JPDA (http://java.sun.com/products/jpda/)
and Forte (http://www.sun.com/forte/). I don't
see why this wouldn't work the same for Orion.
To get
around the issues with multiple developers, you might want to use CVS, a central
"unit test" development server, and individual servers installed on each of the
developers machines. Developers would check out the code to their local
machine, test on their local copy of Orion (with the ability to run it in
debugging mode without screwing everyone else up) and post their changes back to
the unit test server to check for completeness.
As a
side note, CVS is a good thing if you're not using it already, especially when
multiple developers get into the mix...
Darren.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven
PunteSent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:28 AMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Re: Real Debuggin On Orion?
How
Rob:
Thanks for the
reply.
From your description it
sounds like the operation and control
of tomcat is taken over by the
IDE. No one else would be
able to use this server while
you are in this debug mode.
This same strategy should/must
be doable for Orion or
any other java based
server.
Perhaps my desire to have a
server BOTH be running
for some users, and also be
able to support a debugging
mode is too much to ask
for.
Sincerely:
Steve
Punte
- Original Message -
From:
Rob
Lapensee
To: Steven Punte ; Orion-Interest
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:22
AM
Subject: RE: Real Debuggin On Orion?
How
Perhaps
I should clarify
Strictly
speaking of servlets, not JSPs.
Tomcat
can be imported into IBM Visual Age for
Java.
Once
this is done, a small java program can be written to start up tomcat from
within the IBM Visual Age for Java IDE.
If a
break point is set on any servlet code, since Tomcat is running within IBM
Visual Age for Java, then when the browser hits the correct servlet, and the
correct line of code, it will stop the servlet and show the code on the IDE
in debugging mode. At this
point you can step through the program line by line. The browser will wait until the
servlet completes to show any results.
Again
the full information is somewhere in www.ibm.com/vadd
Note
that I used IBM Visual Age professional, which does not have WebSphere in
it.
Regards,
Rob Lapensee
Director of
Technology
Delfour
Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.delfour.com
-Original
Message-From: Steven
Punte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:38
PMTo: Rob Lapensee;
Orion-InterestSubject: Re:
Real Debuggin On Orion? How
Rob:
Thanks for the reply.
This is very interesting. So WebSphere has the ability to allow
a
particular thread, and their dependences, to be debugged
without
putting the entire server into debug mode. Is this a
correct
perception of you statement, or is the debugging mode taking
over the server completely and it is not usable by other
when
in this mode?
Sincerely
STeve Punte
- Original
Message -
From: Rob
Lapensee
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Thursday, July
13, 2000 4:30 AM
Subject: RE: Real Debuggin
On Orion? How
Put
my vote in for IBM Visual Age for Java
support.
All
you would need to do is get Orion to run within IBM Visual Age. I have tried this, but it doesnt
work.
It
works quite well with Tomcat, and I can debug servlets very nicely (www.ibm.com/vadd has details on how to do
this).
But
I would really like to be able to debug EJBs from within the
IDE.
This
also begs the question of what Orion themselves are
using.
Is
it straight JDK, or one of the IDEs?
Regards,
Rob Lapensee
Director of
Technology
Delfour Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.delfour.com
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven PunteSent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:29
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Dear Orion, and
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