Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
Err, I you don't have to be too quiet... ;-) On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:05 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: ** Ok boss.. though i am just a messenger who always get shot. Terima kasih atas nasihat ini. Saya diam-diamlah sekarang. On 7/31/12 10:41 AM, Abu Mansur wrote: Brother Red1, timing is everything. We will not achieve anything in random rants you know. Don't spray all your bullets at random (also we need to get invited again and again so we have more info). I am discussing with Hassan about some possible agendas using the OSCC that we will discuss in the group here. Just wanted to get some structure otherwise the con/skype call will be messy. In Sales we have a saying (you are selling something), sales is a process, when it is not a process, then it is a problem. We need to map an action plan with doable milestones. Hope SIG members can take up components of the tasks ahead so it doesn't end up on one person, sort of like a gotong royong thing... Some of my agenda that I have discussed with some of you:- The Open Development Model in Government Procurement for software ie projects evolve with OSS license and development process from the very beginning. When actual tender comes out, marks will be given to based on Vendors participation for initial phase. Winning vendor becomes major project sponsor. Recruitment by vendor for developers is also easier as you can see who are the main developers contributing to the project. Less possibilities of lemons (Eg Kastam GST like last time) The other one is software development on top of SELINUX for government software (I am presenting to govt CIO this coming 10th) to move to more serious stuff in OSS. If we can tie in with activity one of the above and incorporate academic faculty members and students in the development we can kill two, nay even three birds with one stone. The government can really be a catalyst for our software industry by providing a fertile ground for some serious software development through these projects. More thoughts later (everyone else feel free to rant here) as I am rushing to send my first draft to MAMPU... On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Redhuan r...@adempiere.org wrote: I think we should brainstorm more often together (while blasting away on four pistons) as i do not think our pitch yesterday sinks in or far. It is better we make a proper presentation as a powerful think tank collectively, to the right office such as KSU and then PM, and collect momentos of 'skull tatoos' along the way. I like to share what a friend working somewhere up in KLCC Towers who wrote to me a moment ago: Nor Bahgia B M Nordin: I think anything creative futuristic or game changing breakthrough spearheaded by government servants will fail due to their multiple KPI mentality, and other restrictions. Entreprenurs/Technopreneurs/Scientist have a ‘no-choice’ ‘do-or-die’ situation, which drives them to do the impossible. It’s a intense single minded focus. Jobs, Gates, Page and the rest never wasted their time with the government types. They just went ahead and did what they were supposed to do regardless. I can tell you this. The road-maps will just collect dust again. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- Abu Mansur http://amansur.blogspot.com man...@persis.biz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
Tuan Syed called me this morning, I think some of the newer members were not in the list. Apologies. That's why I sent out this notification in case some didn't get the notice... On Jun 27, 2012 10:18 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: ??? kenapa saya tak dapat pun ? On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Hafidz Nasruddin haf...@gmail.comwrote: Saya dapat email notis mesyuarat pada 19 Jun On Jun 27, 2012 10:09 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: When is this earlier ? As of 20 may 2012 I am already a member, and I have not received any notices either through email or post mail. Kostem yang tak seberapa pun can get notices out 14 days before our general meeting and board meetings. Sorry for ranting to the messenger. But these are important administrative things. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.comwrote: Actually it went out earlier, I thought I'd post this just in case... On Jun 26, 2012 7:36 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: aduh... only 3 days notice ? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Gang, FYI, MNCC is having it's annual general meeting at the Armada hotel this Thursday 28th June at 6pm. Hope that you guys can make it. For those who have not done so you can register to apply for membership on that day ;-} Mansur MNCC -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
Please make it gang. We need to have quorum by 6:30... On Jun 27, 2012 9:49 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: ** Luckily at 6pm. See u all tomorrow then! On 6/27/12 4:02 PM, Sufian Ahmad wrote: if i am not mistaken, u can also register esp if you have broad experienced in IT Shall be a person who holds a recognized Information and Communications Technology (ICT)- related academic degree or professional qualification acceptable to the Council and who has been employed in the Information and Communications Technology Industry at an Executive Level as in the following: (a) Basic Degree: at least 3 years experience; (b) Master Degree: at least 2 years experience; and (c) Doctorate Degree: at least 1 year experience, or a person who do not hold a recognized academic degree or professional qualification as above but has been employed in the Information and Communications Technology Industry at an executive level for not less than seven years in activities considered by the Council to be relevant to the objects of the Gabungan. -- *From: *Umarzuki Mochlis umarz...@gmail.com umarz...@gmail.com *To: *osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com *Sent: *Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:37:28 PM *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday ughhh...i'm not qualified to be a member since i just a professional certifications holder 2012/6/27 Hafidz Nasruddin haf...@gmail.com haf...@gmail.com: Email address to mncc-memb...@mncc.com.my , tertinggal kot On Jun 27, 2012 10:18 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.comrajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: ??? kenapa saya tak dapat pun ? On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Hafidz Nasruddin haf...@gmail.comhaf...@gmail.com wrote: Saya dapat email notis mesyuarat pada 19 Jun On Jun 27, 2012 10:09 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: When is this earlier ? As of 20 may 2012 I am already a member, and I have not received any notices either through email or post mail. Kostem yang tak seberapa pun can get notices out 14 days before our general meeting and board meetings. Sorry for ranting to the messenger. But these are important administrative things. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
[osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
Hi Gang, FYI, MNCC is having it's annual general meeting at the Armada hotel this Thursday 28th June at 6pm. Hope that you guys can make it. For those who have not done so you can register to apply for membership on that day ;-} Mansur MNCC -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
Yes. But you need to register for membership at the door ;-} On Jun 26, 2012 4:54 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis umarz...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/6/26 Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com: Hi Gang, FYI, MNCC is having it's annual general meeting at the Armada hotel this Thursday 28th June at 6pm. Hope that you guys can make it. For those who have not done so you can register to apply for membership on that day ;-} anyone can simply come? -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
Actually it went out earlier, I thought I'd post this just in case... On Jun 26, 2012 7:36 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: aduh... only 3 days notice ? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gang, FYI, MNCC is having it's annual general meeting at the Armada hotel this Thursday 28th June at 6pm. Hope that you guys can make it. For those who have not done so you can register to apply for membership on that day ;-} Mansur MNCC -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
Thanks mate. We need you guys in to bring in stronger voice to the communities ... On Jun 26, 2012 10:26 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry bro. Could not attend. Still @ Brunei. I have register online for my MNCC membership. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com wrote: Actually it went out earlier, I thought I'd post this just in case... On Jun 26, 2012 7:36 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: aduh... only 3 days notice ? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gang, FYI, MNCC is having it's annual general meeting at the Armada hotel this Thursday 28th June at 6pm. Hope that you guys can make it. For those who have not done so you can register to apply for membership on that day ;-} Mansur MNCC -- --- MOSC2012 Update With Email @ MailChimp http://eepurl.com/lBBbj Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 (MOSC2012) http://www.mosc.my/ LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
[osdcmy] BCPM SURVEY BRIEFING FOR COMMUNITIES
Hi everyone, Just in case some of you did not see the posting at FB for the briefing on the BCPM survey that will be conducted next month I am sending this reminder... The briefing will be at MDEC Auditorium in Cyberjaya starting at 2:30pm on this Thursday, 17th May. Prof Zaharin of the BCPM task force is willing to stay back to meet up with those of us who cannot make it during office hours up to 7pm. MDEC has prepared refreshments for 30 pax + but please register at the link below so we know how many are attending. Just in case there are more... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnofJfzKCuahdE14OU9fbkZLTDcyN29YTjVLZ3FMRFE#gid=0 Take care all... :-) Mansur -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] BCPM SURVEY BRIEFING FOR COMMUNITIES
Not officially but Jamal is in the loop. This session is for the individuals and communities... On May 16, 2012 12:51 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Mansur, I will be attending. Have we invite OSCC MAMPU? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Just in case some of you did not see the posting at FB for the briefing on the BCPM survey that will be conducted next month I am sending this reminder... The briefing will be at MDEC Auditorium in Cyberjaya starting at 2:30pm on this Thursday, 17th May. Prof Zaharin of the BCPM task force is willing to stay back to meet up with those of us who cannot make it during office hours up to 7pm. MDEC has prepared refreshments for 30 pax + but please register at the link below so we know how many are attending. Just in case there are more... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnofJfzKCuahdE14OU9fbkZLTDcyN29YTjVLZ3FMRFE#gid=0 Take care all... :-) Mansur -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- --- MOSC2012 Update With Email @ MailChimp http://eepurl.com/lBBbj Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 (MOSC2012) http://www.mosc.my/ LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: Comment on Draft BCPM: Further Clarification is Required on Computing Services Providers
Ok jazakallah :-) On Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: Salam hormat Berikut apa yg saya dapat utarakan berkaitan Computing Professional Act yang akan melibatkan Koperasi. Ini adalah perkara-perkara khusus bagi Koperasi yang berfungsi sebagai 'a member based organisation'. Kalau ada yg lain, masih boleh dikemukakan terus kepada Mosti sebelum 15 Jan 2012. -- Forwarded message -- From: Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:04 PM Subject: Comment on Draft BCPM: Further Clarification is Required on Computing Services Providers To: b...@oscc.org.my Salam hormat As a representative of the Koperasi Sumber Terbuka Selangor Berhad (Dalam Penubuhan), we would like to seek further clarification on the following matters contained in the draft of the Computing Professionals Act 2011 (as downloaded today from http://www.mosti.gov.my/mosti/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=3677Itemid=5 ) 1. Critical National Information Infrastructure (CNII) 1. References: Para 2.(2), 3, 34 2. Commentary: Would the scope of CNII, also include govt funded / sponsored community programs ? We have members who are actively involved in the use of OSS, for enhancing computer literacy for the underprivilieged (such as Tamil Schools). The tutors are part-time volunteers. If the Act is passed, would such volunteer groups be (1) denied to do such community work at public sector institutions (such as schools, colleges, universities) ?, and (2) also denied against seeking funding for community work from any govt agencies (computer literacy for single mothers) ? Para 34 would imply that CNII are entities, such as whole agencies, rather than projects / programs. 3. Recommendation: Clarity on the extent of CNII is required where it involves community service programs. 2. Computing Services by Subject Matter Experts (eg accountants, educators, econometricians, statisticians) 1. References: Para 2.(2) 2. Commentary: The definition of computing services includes use and manage of information technology which is too broad a scope, as it would also encompass subject matter experts, and other cross-domain specialists, particularly for expert systems (eg economist intelligence system, or even google analytics). Other than proprietary databases who provide commercial training, there are many more peer-based systems which do not have any formal training programs (such as World Bank's Open Data Initiative, the US Government Open Government Initiative). 3. Recommendation: that the definition excludes use and manage 3. Computing Services by Community on Govt OSS Projects / Products 1. References: Para 2.(2), 34 2. Commentary: Para 34 explicitly prevents govt agencies from engaging the OSS community to provide fixes / patches to software that are implemented in CNII projects / programs. This would even extend to automated software fixes subscriptions from software vendors (such as Oracle) 3. Recommendation: Further clarification is required. 4. Computing Services Provider: Change of shareholders 1. References: Para 15.(3) 2. Commentary: Clarification is sought whether the Act would allow for Cooperatives (registered under Suruhanjaya Koperasi Malaysia) to provide computing services. Also as Cooperatives are public entities (Berhad), where members of the public can become shareholders at any point of time, it would not be feasible to comply to 15.(3) 3. Recommendation: That the requirement for the notice of change of shareholder, be exempted for public companies, that the register of shareholders is submitted only on an annual basis. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
