Re: [OSList] Open Space in Prison

[Michael Herman via OSList]

matches, mmp?

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:55 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Yes Chris, it is an amazing success.
> Exactly what I would expect.
> But still amazing.
>
> By the way, a search in the LIST archives reveals that Birgit, then
> Bolton, has an entry in 1998 and you responded to it a week later... and
> Lisa Heft has an entry in 2005 that started a string...
> In all there are 415 matches.
>
> Keep it going.
> mmp
>
> Am 02.08.2019 um 05:09 schrieb Chris Kloth via OSList:
> > This week I have been doing some work with Adam Foss and his Prosecutor
> > Impact program in Columbus, Ohio. USA. (See link below)
> >
> > As part of this two week program we took 40+ prosecutors to Marion
> > Correctional Institution for the day. Most had never been in a prison.
> > Without going into the details, a group of 12 inmates organized a day of
> > activities to provide the prosecutors to explore what it might mean to
> > re-imagine the roles of prosecutors on the criminal justice system in
> > the US and in Ohio.
> >
> > We entered a very large chapel in the prison and discovered a very large
> > circle of chairs. Imagine my surprise when Wayne, a lifer, said that
> > while he had been inside he had learned about a process called Open
> > Space Technology and entered into a brief review of the Principles and
> > the Law! He sent markers around the circle, explaining that they were
> > serving as both a talking sticks and ways to identify topics... an
> > approach that accommodated the security concerns reflected in prison
> > policies.
> >
> > Purists might raise a number of questions about how the process was
> > planned and executed, but if the essence is opening space for people to
> > organize themselves to have several rounds of dialogue within the
> > Principles and the Laws... I call it an amazing success. If inmates and
> > prosecutors crying and embracing as part of the closing circle... I call
> > it an amazing success.
> >
> > Before we left I asked Wayne how he learned about OST. He said he found
> > this "old green book" in the prison library!
> >
> > I have been blessed to have experienced and convened many OST
> > experiences that left me feeling deeply touched, but I suspect this
> > session will always live deep  in my heart as one of the most profound!
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system/discussion
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Michael M Pannwitz
> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
> ++49 - 30-772 8000
> mmpannw...@gmail.com
>
>
> Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 486 resident Open
> Space Workers in 76 countries working in a total of 141 countries worldwide
> www.openspaceworldmap.org
>
> At my publisher you find books and task cards on open space, most in
> German, some in English, some as ebooks, some multilingual
> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Prison

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Yes Chris, it is an amazing success.
Exactly what I would expect.
But still amazing.

By the way, a search in the LIST archives reveals that Birgit, then 
Bolton, has an entry in 1998 and you responded to it a week later... and 
Lisa Heft has an entry in 2005 that started a string...

In all there are 415 matches.

Keep it going.
mmp

Am 02.08.2019 um 05:09 schrieb Chris Kloth via OSList:
This week I have been doing some work with Adam Foss and his Prosecutor 
Impact program in Columbus, Ohio. USA. (See link below)


As part of this two week program we took 40+ prosecutors to Marion 
Correctional Institution for the day. Most had never been in a prison. 
Without going into the details, a group of 12 inmates organized a day of 
activities to provide the prosecutors to explore what it might mean to 
re-imagine the roles of prosecutors on the criminal justice system in 
the US and in Ohio.


We entered a very large chapel in the prison and discovered a very large 
circle of chairs. Imagine my surprise when Wayne, a lifer, said that 
while he had been inside he had learned about a process called Open 
Space Technology and entered into a brief review of the Principles and 
the Law! He sent markers around the circle, explaining that they were 
serving as both a talking sticks and ways to identify topics... an 
approach that accommodated the security concerns reflected in prison 
policies.


Purists might raise a number of questions about how the process was 
planned and executed, but if the essence is opening space for people to 
organize themselves to have several rounds of dialogue within the 
Principles and the Laws... I call it an amazing success. If inmates and 
prosecutors crying and embracing as part of the closing circle... I call 
it an amazing success.


Before we left I asked Wayne how he learned about OST. He said he found 
this "old green book" in the prison library!


I have been blessed to have experienced and convened many OST 
experiences that left me feeling deeply touched, but I suspect this 
session will always live deep  in my heart as one of the most profound!



https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system/discussion 






--
Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
++49 - 30-772 8000
mmpannw...@gmail.com


Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 486 resident Open 
Space Workers in 76 countries working in a total of 141 countries worldwide

www.openspaceworldmap.org

At my publisher you find books and task cards on open space, most in 
German, some in English, some as ebooks, some multilingual

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] Open Space in Prison

[Michael Herman via OSList]

wow.  just WOW.  awesome.  thank you, chris!  wow.

--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:10 PM Chris Kloth via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> This week I have been doing some work with Adam Foss and his
> Prosecutor Impact program in Columbus, Ohio. USA. (See link below)
>
> As part of this two week program we took 40+ prosecutors to Marion
> Correctional Institution for the day. Most had never been in a prison.
> Without going into the details, a group of 12 inmates organized a day
> of activities to provide the prosecutors to explore what it might mean
> to re-imagine the roles of prosecutors on the criminal justice system
> in the US and in Ohio.
>
> We entered a very large chapel in the prison and discovered a very
> large circle of chairs. Imagine my surprise when Wayne, a lifer, said
> that while he had been inside he had learned about a process called
> Open Space Technology and entered into a brief review of the
> Principles and the Law! He sent markers around the circle, explaining
> that they were serving as both a talking sticks and ways to identify
> topics... an approach that accommodated the security concerns
> reflected in prison policies.
>
> Purists might raise a number of questions about how the process was
> planned and executed, but if the essence is opening space for people
> to organize themselves to have several rounds of dialogue within the
> Principles and the Laws... I call it an amazing success. If inmates
> and prosecutors crying and embracing as part of the closing circle...
> I call it an amazing success.
>
> Before we left I asked Wayne how he learned about OST. He said he
> found this "old green book" in the prison library!
>
> I have been blessed to have experienced and convened many OST
> experiences that left me feeling deeply touched, but I suspect this
> session will always live deep  in my heart as one of the most profound!
>
>
>
> https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system/discussion
>
>
> --
> Shalom,
>
> Chris Kloth
> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
> 254 South Merkle Road
> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
> ph 614-239-1336
> fax 614-237-2347
> www.got2change.com
>
> Think globally. Act locally.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

[OSList] Open Space in Prison

[Chris Kloth via OSList]

This week I have been doing some work with Adam Foss and his  
Prosecutor Impact program in Columbus, Ohio. USA. (See link below)


As part of this two week program we took 40+ prosecutors to Marion  
Correctional Institution for the day. Most had never been in a prison.  
Without going into the details, a group of 12 inmates organized a day  
of activities to provide the prosecutors to explore what it might mean  
to re-imagine the roles of prosecutors on the criminal justice system  
in the US and in Ohio.


We entered a very large chapel in the prison and discovered a very  
large circle of chairs. Imagine my surprise when Wayne, a lifer, said  
that while he had been inside he had learned about a process called  
Open Space Technology and entered into a brief review of the  
Principles and the Law! He sent markers around the circle, explaining  
that they were serving as both a talking sticks and ways to identify  
topics... an approach that accommodated the security concerns  
reflected in prison policies.


Purists might raise a number of questions about how the process was  
planned and executed, but if the essence is opening space for people  
to organize themselves to have several rounds of dialogue within the  
Principles and the Laws... I call it an amazing success. If inmates  
and prosecutors crying and embracing as part of the closing circle...  
I call it an amazing success.


Before we left I asked Wayne how he learned about OST. He said he  
found this "old green book" in the prison library!


I have been blessed to have experienced and convened many OST  
experiences that left me feeling deeply touched, but I suspect this  
session will always live deep  in my heart as one of the most profound!



https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system/discussion


--
Shalom,

Chris Kloth
ChangeWorks of the Heartland
254 South Merkle Road
Bexley, OH 43209-1801
ph 614-239-1336
fax 614-237-2347
www.got2change.com

Think globally. Act locally.






This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Alan Halford via OSList]

What’s there to certify, 
Issue an invitation, sit in a circle, create an agenda, get to work

Alan Halford & Associates
Open Space Technology Aficionados
Mediation and Conflict Transformation
Facilitators

www.alanhalford.com.au 
www.conflictcompany.com.au  
0421 475 252
skype: alanhalford





On 2 Aug 2019, at 3:35 am, Mark Carmel via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,

ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  

Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?

Mark Carmel
Wannabe Certified OST
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org 

To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org 

To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org 

Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[David Osborne via OSList]

I agree as well.


*David R. Osborne*
Organization and Leadership Development

6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042
703-939-1777   |   dosbo...@change-fusion.com   |   change-fusion.com


On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:18 PM Elwin and Joan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> and I agree with Chris and Koos
>
> NO
>
> eg
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 07:01:00 PM EDT, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
> True. I think.
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Chris Corrigan via OSList
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:54 PM
> *To:* Koos de Heer; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Chris Corrigan; Mark Carmel
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>
>
>
> I strongly agree with Koos.
>
>
>
> No.
>
>
>
> Chris Corrigan.
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to
> find out why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or
> “certification.” No use repeating this discussion over and over again.
>
>
>
> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
> Carmel via OSList
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>
>
>
> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,
>
>
>
> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.
>
>
>
> Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?
>
>
>
> Mark Carmel
>
> Wannabe Certified OST
>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>
>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

 and I agree with Chris and Koos
NO
eg
On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 07:01:00 PM EDT, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:  
 
 
True. I think.

  

ho

  

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Corrigan via OSList
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Koos de Heer; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Chris Corrigan; Mark Carmel
Subject: Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE 
TECHNOLOGISTS???

  

I strongly agree with Koos.  

  

No.  

  

Chris Corrigan.





On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList 
 wrote:

  

No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at 
http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to find out 
why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or “certification.” No use 
repeating this discussion over and over again.

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 

CC: Mark Carmel 
Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE 
TECHNOLOGISTS???

 

Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,

 

ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  

 

Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?

 

Mark Carmel

Wannabe Certified OST

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

  
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org  ___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[R Chaffe via OSList]

“The writing is on the wall” as exposed in “who moved my cheese” we all do need 
to do our reading as the “writing on the wall” requires attention to detail and 
“listening” to the stories.

It is a matter of standing on the shoulders of so many who have gone before us. 
In the raw statements it may sounds arrogant in its simplicity yet a little 
looking and listening at the “writing on the wall” and the truth is revealed in 
its effective simplicity. 

Like most effective things it looks easy and it’s description is simple. 
 The devil is in the detail.  Prior good performance and “scores on the board” 
build trust. It is “up to you”. ( the rest of the quote is “if you have a soul 
and a spirit”)  to include this in your contract with your sponsor.  

Competency documents are only as good as the holder.  Regrettably too many use 
such documents as camouflage so too often we find Registered Training Providers 
are putting most of their energy into sustaining the “quality” of their 
documentation corrupted by those who use them as “meal tickets”.

Follow Koos recommendation (instruction).  It is mandatory, “if you have a soul 
and a spirit”.

Regards
Rob

> On 2 Aug 2019, at 6:58 am, Michael Herman via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> --
> 
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> 
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:54 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> I strongly agree with Koos.  
>> 
>> No.  
>> 
>> Chris Corrigan.
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at 
>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to find 
>>> out why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or “certification.” No 
>>> use repeating this discussion over and over again.
>>>  
>>> Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
>>> OSList
>>> Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
>>> Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
>>> 
>>> CC: Mark Carmel 
>>> Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's 
>>> OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY 
>>> training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become 
>>> CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>>>  
>>> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,
>>>  
>>> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  
>>>  
>>> Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?
>>>  
>>> Mark Carmel
>>> Wannabe Certified OST
>>> ___
>>> OSList mailing list
>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>>> Past archives can be viewed here: 
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>> 
>> ___
>> OSList mailing list
>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>> Past archives can be viewed here: 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Marai – You can put pictures on it… make it delicious. But the truth of the 
matter is that it is/was all free… open for everybody. Selling audio book is 
one thing… But creating a vibrant open space in which people realize their own 
power and potential it the only game in town. I think.

 

 

hol

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Marai 
Kiele via OSList
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:09 PM
To: ost list international
Cc: Marai Kiele
Subject: Re: [OSList] Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD

 

 

Harold, I am pleased that you wrote, "They are some of Harrison’s best work in 
my opinion“ !

I appreciate this work a lot and envision making the recordings accessible to 
OST students.

 

Picking up on Bhavesh’s suggestion and taking it forward in a slightly 
different direction:

 

I’d actually love to see them published as an audiobook. 

 

What speaks for an Audiobook:

- Audiobooks have become a major market. Today I heard that 40 % of the books 
sold nowadays are audiobooks.

  I personally have almost totally given up on paper books and will choose an 
audio book over a print copy anytime.

 

- I would like for students to be able to navigate through the content.  

  I prefer having distinguished chapters, not just one big mesh as it comes out 
in a podcast.

  When I started with OST, I listened back to specific parts right before a 
facilitation (kudos to Gerard Muller, who shared this idea and the CDs with me).

 

- I would also like for money to be collected from making the material 
available.

  a) to support the work of the OSI and acknowledge Harrison

  b) to demonstrate that this is really valuable stuff, not just some freebie 
that one can listen to without putting much energy into it

 

Is anybody out there who has knowledge about or experience with creating & 
selling audiobooks?

 

Marai

 





Am 01.08.2019 um 08:07 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
:

 

Unless there is a need to continue making money for them, maybe they can simply 
be uploaded as 5 podcasts, with the option to contribute however much you would 
like to? Then the world can benefit even more!

 

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 08:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 wrote:

Marai,

 

The CDs were printed and sold through the OSI-US bookstore partner years ago, 
but that operation was made obsolete by Amazon and electronic books, and they 
closed it and shipped us the remaining inventory. There are none of the CDs 
left.

 

We have planned to make them available online for some time. They are some of 
Harrison’s best work in my opinion, and we do hope to make them available 
again. But we can’t promise a timeline.

 

Harold

 

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:40 PM Marai Kiele via OSList 
 wrote:

Hello everybody,

I am wondering if and where this is still available:

Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD 
Hear the thinking behind Open Space from its creator, Harrison Owen. This 
recording was made during the July, 1999 Open Space Technology Facilitation 
Workshop in Seattle, Washington. These stories, which Harrison tells when 
introducing Open Space to new facilitators, take OS out of the realm of better 
meetings and into a different way of being. 
5 CD set

I have the CDs for myself, yet as I am training others in OST I want to be able 
to point them to this resource.

I found them on the OSIUS page 
https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more only without a link.

When I google for them, I have nothing helpful coming up.

Can anybody help?

Thank you!
Marai

https://about.me/maraikiele
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

 

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email 

Re: [OSList] Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

As the perpetrator of those long ago conversations… I completely authorize any 
form of reproduction – with attribution.. or even without. So if you have a 
copy, make a copy, and pass it on. Or make multiple copies! And Harold, bits 
are cheap. Send it out. Let anybody who cares to… enjoy it. 

 

Greetings from the Great State of Maine. Current Temperature at 7 pm – 70 
degrees Fahrenheit. Terrible life, and I am truly sorry for all those wonderful 
people around the planet who are suffering (heat stroke) for our collective 
idiocy. Probability is that it will get worse. But we could open some  space 
for a breath of fresh air and a new vision. That would be dangerous, of course.

 

ho

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
Harold Shinsato via OSList
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 1:50 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Harold Shinsato
Subject: Re: [OSList] Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD

 

Marai,

 

The CDs were printed and sold through the OSI-US bookstore partner years ago, 
but that operation was made obsolete by Amazon and electronic books, and they 
closed it and shipped us the remaining inventory. There are none of the CDs 
left.

 

We have planned to make them available online for some time. They are some of 
Harrison’s best work in my opinion, and we do hope to make them available 
again. But we can’t promise a timeline.

 

Harold

 

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:40 PM Marai Kiele via OSList 
 wrote:

Hello everybody,

I am wondering if and where this is still available:

Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD 
Hear the thinking behind Open Space from its creator, Harrison Owen. This 
recording was made during the July, 1999 Open Space Technology Facilitation 
Workshop in Seattle, Washington. These stories, which Harrison tells when 
introducing Open Space to new facilitators, take OS out of the realm of better 
meetings and into a different way of being. 
5 CD set

I have the CDs for myself, yet as I am training others in OST I want to be able 
to point them to this resource.

I found them on the OSIUS page 
https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more only without a link.

When I google for them, I have nothing helpful coming up.

Can anybody help?

Thank you!
Marai

https://about.me/maraikiele
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Michael Herman via OSList]



--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:54 PM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I strongly agree with Koos.
>
> No.
>
> Chris Corrigan.
>
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to
> find out why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or
> “certification.” No use repeating this discussion over and over again.
>
> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
> Carmel via OSList
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if
> that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money
> OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to
> become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>
> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,
>
> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.
>
> Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?
>
> Mark Carmel
> Wannabe Certified OST
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>
>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

I strongly agree with Koos.  

No.  

Chris Corrigan.

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Koos de Heer via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at 
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ 
>  to find 
> out why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or “certification.” No 
> use repeating this discussion over and over again.
>  
> Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
> OSList
> Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
> Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
> 
> CC: Mark Carmel 
> Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
> with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
> certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN 
> SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS???
>  
> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,
>  
> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  
>  
> Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?
>  
> Mark Carmel
> Wannabe Certified OST
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

No thanks. I suggest you scan the archive of this list at  
 
http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/ to find out 
why. There are over 1,000 matches on “certified” or “certification.” No use 
repeating this discussion over and over again.

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 1 augustus 2019 21:36
Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 

CC: Mark Carmel 
Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY 
with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and 
certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE 
TECHNOLOGISTS???

 

Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,

 

ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.  

 

Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?

 

Mark Carmel

Wannabe Certified OST

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD

[Marai Kiele via OSList]

Harold, I am pleased that you wrote, "They are some of Harrison’s best work in 
my opinion“ !
I appreciate this work a lot and envision making the recordings accessible to 
OST students.

Picking up on Bhavesh’s suggestion and taking it forward in a slightly 
different direction:

I’d actually love to see them published as an audiobook. 

What speaks for an Audiobook:
- Audiobooks have become a major market. Today I heard that 40 % of the books 
sold nowadays are audiobooks.
  I personally have almost totally given up on paper books and will choose an 
audio book over a print copy anytime.

- I would like for students to be able to navigate through the content.  
  I prefer having distinguished chapters, not just one big mesh as it comes out 
in a podcast.
  When I started with OST, I listened back to specific parts right before a 
facilitation (kudos to Gerard Muller, who shared this idea and the CDs with me).

- I would also like for money to be collected from making the material 
available.
  a) to support the work of the OSI and acknowledge Harrison
  b) to demonstrate that this is really valuable stuff, not just some freebie 
that one can listen to without putting much energy into it

Is anybody out there who has knowledge about or experience with creating & 
selling audiobooks?

Marai


> Am 01.08.2019 um 08:07 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList 
> :
> 
> Unless there is a need to continue making money for them, maybe they can 
> simply be uploaded as 5 podcasts, with the option to contribute however much 
> you would like to? Then the world can benefit even more!
> 
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 08:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> Marai,
> 
> The CDs were printed and sold through the OSI-US bookstore partner years ago, 
> but that operation was made obsolete by Amazon and electronic books, and they 
> closed it and shipped us the remaining inventory. There are none of the CDs 
> left.
> 
> We have planned to make them available online for some time. They are some of 
> Harrison’s best work in my opinion, and we do hope to make them available 
> again. But we can’t promise a timeline.
> 
> Harold
> 
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:40 PM Marai Kiele via OSList 
> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I am wondering if and where this is still available:
> 
> Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD 
> Hear the thinking behind Open Space from its creator, Harrison Owen. This 
> recording was made during the July, 1999 Open Space Technology Facilitation 
> Workshop in Seattle, Washington. These stories, which Harrison tells when 
> introducing Open Space to new facilitators, take OS out of the realm of 
> better meetings and into a different way of being. 
> 5 CD set
> 
> I have the CDs for myself, yet as I am training others in OST I want to be 
> able to point them to this resource.
> 
> I found them on the OSIUS page 
> https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more 
>  only without a 
> link.
> 
> When I google for them, I have nothing helpful coming up.
> 
> Can anybody help?
> 
> Thank you!
> Marai
> 
> https://about.me/maraikiele 
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org 
> 
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org 
> 
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org 
> 
> Past archives can be viewed here: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
> 
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org 
> 
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org 
> 
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org 
> 
> Past archives can be viewed here: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here: 
> 

[OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to bec

[Mark Carmel via OSList]

Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists,

ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION.

Here is the question:  Are you IN or out?

Mark Carmel
Wannabe Certified OST
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD

[Bhavesh Patel via OSList]

Unless there is a need to continue making money for them, maybe they can
simply be uploaded as 5 podcasts, with the option to contribute however
much you would like to? Then the world can benefit even more!

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 08:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Marai,
>
> The CDs were printed and sold through the OSI-US bookstore partner years
> ago, but that operation was made obsolete by Amazon and electronic books,
> and they closed it and shipped us the remaining inventory. There are none
> of the CDs left.
>
> We have planned to make them available online for some time. They are some
> of Harrison’s best work in my opinion, and we do hope to make them
> available again. But we can’t promise a timeline.
>
> Harold
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:40 PM Marai Kiele via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I am wondering if and where this is still available:
>>
>> Understanding Open Space - training talks on CD
>> Hear the thinking behind Open Space from its creator, Harrison Owen. This
>> recording was made during the July, 1999 Open Space Technology Facilitation
>> Workshop in Seattle, Washington. These stories, which Harrison tells when
>> introducing Open Space to new facilitators, take OS out of the realm of
>> better meetings and into a different way of being.
>> 5 CD set
>>
>> I have the CDs for myself, yet as I am training others in OST I want to
>> be able to point them to this resource.
>>
>> I found them on the OSIUS page
>> https://osius.org/content/open-space-books-videos-and-more only without
>> a link.
>>
>> When I google for them, I have nothing helpful coming up.
>>
>> Can anybody help?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Marai
>>
>> https://about.me/maraikiele
>> ___
>> OSList mailing list
>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>> Past archives can be viewed here:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org