Re: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH region)

[Emil Tin]

Indeed, a problem related to travel speeds for cars was fixed recently, see 
https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/pull/969.

A new version was recently pushed to master, but in general be sure to build 
osrm from the develop branch, not master, to get the latest fixes.


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Fra: code lump [mailto:codel...@gmail.com]
Sendt: 7. april 2014 16:03
Til: osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org; carsten64st...@gmx.de
Emne: Re: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH 
region)

Hi Carsten,
thanks for replying.
Is there any chance of optimizing this behavior in order to get accurate 
driving times.
Do you have a sample car .profile which may I use ?
Thanks for helping out.
Best,
Philip

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Carsten Malchow 
mailto:carsten64st...@gmx.de>> wrote:
Hi Philip,

it's looks like the same problem that was discussed last week, I think.
OSRM take 2/3 of the Maxium speed to calculated the travel time.
Look here: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org/msg00407.html

Kind regards

Carsten


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Re: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH region)

[code lump]

Hi Carsten,

thanks for replying.
Is there any chance of optimizing this behavior in order to get accurate
driving times.
Do you have a sample car .profile which may I use ?

Thanks for helping out.

Best,
Philip


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Carsten Malchow wrote:

> Hi Philip,
>
> it's looks like the same problem that was discussed last week, I think.
> OSRM take 2/3 of the Maxium speed to calculated the travel time.
> Look here:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org/msg00407.html
>
> Kind regards
>
> Carsten
>
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 07. April 2014 um 07:20 Uhr
> *Von:* "code lump" 
> *An:* osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org
> *Betreff:* Re: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile
> (within DACH region)
>Hi,
>
>
> unfortunately my server is not available to the public:
>
> so this is my request.
>
>
> http://localhost:5000/viaroute?z=14&output=json&loc=49.487459,8.466039&loc=47.677950,9.173238
>
> my response:
>
> https://gist.github.com/dcdieci/10019081
>
> the driving time is 180 min. even though I have used this very fast
> car.profile
> google is calculating 164.
>  at the osrm website it is even worst with 220 min.
>
> In case you need more details just drop me a line.
> Help is highly appreciated.
> Best,
> Philip
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:50 PM, wrote:
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>1. mix kilometers and speed (didier2020)
>>2. Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within   DACH
>>   region) (code lump)
>>3. Re: Bad driving times - Looking for car profile   (within DACH
>>   region) (Emil Tin)
>>4. Re: mix kilometers and speed (Florian Lohoff)
>>5. Re: mix kilometers and speed (Michal Palenik)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:06:51 +0200
>> From: didier2020 
>> To: osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: [OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed
>> Message-ID: <1396861611.10216.11.camel@debian2020-x64>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> i wonder if osrm can mix kilometers and speed to calculate a route
>>
>> exemple:
>> my car : 5l/100 km with 1l = 1.5 ? => 0.075? for one kilometer
>> me : my time can be arround 16?/h
>>
>> so for a trip of 50 km, and 20 minutes
>> => (50*0.075) + (20/60*16) = 3.75 + 5.33 = 9.08?
>>
>>
>> thanks
>> didier
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 11:17:12 +0200
>> From: code lump 
>> To: osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile
>> (within DACH region)
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> caabpjz0zzeeggwcy4bmyyjfv3ajshrtzgcrdpqdopuieeri...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently extracted data with different car profiles.
>> But my driving time estimates are just not accurate.
>> Actually they are very different from google and not usable.
>>
>> So I was wondering if there is anybody having a car profile for the DACH
>> region ?
>>
>> My current settings are :
>> speed_profile = {
>>   ["motorway"] = 130,
>>   ["motorway_link"] = 75,
>>   ["trunk"] = 100,
>>   ["trunk_link"] = 70,
>>   ["primary"] = 100,
>>   ["primary_link"] = 60,
>>   ["secondary"] = 100,
>>   ["secondary_link"] = 50,
>>   ["tertiary"] = 70,
>>   ["tertiary_link"] = 50,
>>   ["unclassified"] = 50,
>>   ["residential"] = 25,
>>   ["living_street"] = 10,
>>   ["service"] = 15,
>>

Re: [OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed

[Florian Lohoff]

On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 02:23:37PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > Am 07/apr/2014 um 13:44 schrieb Florian Lohoff :
> > 
> > But
> > driving on the motorway you'll consume the same amount of fuel
> > than having a 6 cylinder 3,5l engine. So its not fuel per time
> > but fuel per km and road type.
> 
> and like this the calculation does not account for car costs like
> value loss, tires, friction, ... and neither for environmental impact
> (CO2 etc)

- CO2 is linear to fuel consumption.
- value loss should be linear to km driven

But a 170hp 1.4l TFSI consumes the same amout of fuel at 180km/h than a
2.5l. It DOES consume a lot less at 30km/h. And thats an optimization
purely done for the measurement cycles driven for consumer comparisons.

Flo
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Re: [OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Am 07/apr/2014 um 13:44 schrieb Florian Lohoff :
> 
> But
> driving on the motorway you'll consume the same amount of fuel
> than having a 6 cylinder 3,5l engine. So its not fuel per time
> but fuel per km and road type.



and like this the calculation does not account for car costs like value loss, 
tires, friction, ... and neither for environmental impact (CO2 etc)

cheers 
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH region)

[code lump]

Hi,


unfortunately my server is not available to the public:

so this is my request.

http://localhost:5000/viaroute?z=14&output=json&loc=49.487459,8.466039&loc=47.677950,9.173238

my response:

https://gist.github.com/dcdieci/10019081

the driving time is 180 min. even though I have used this very fast
car.profile
google is calculating 164.
at the osrm website it is even worst with 220 min.

In case you need more details just drop me a line.
Help is highly appreciated.
Best,
Philip


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:50 PM,  wrote:

> Send OSRM-talk mailing list submissions to
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> than "Re: Contents of OSRM-talk digest..."
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. mix kilometers and speed (didier2020)
>2. Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within   DACH
>   region) (code lump)
>3. Re: Bad driving times - Looking for car profile   (within DACH
>   region) (Emil Tin)
>4. Re: mix kilometers and speed (Florian Lohoff)
>5. Re: mix kilometers and speed (Michal Palenik)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:06:51 +0200
> From: didier2020 
> To: osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed
> Message-ID: <1396861611.10216.11.camel@debian2020-x64>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> hi,
>
> i wonder if osrm can mix kilometers and speed to calculate a route
>
> exemple:
> my car : 5l/100 km with 1l = 1.5 ? => 0.075? for one kilometer
> me : my time can be arround 16?/h
>
> so for a trip of 50 km, and 20 minutes
> => (50*0.075) + (20/60*16) = 3.75 + 5.33 = 9.08?
>
>
> thanks
> didier
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 11:17:12 +0200
> From: code lump 
> To: osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile
> (within DACH region)
> Message-ID:
> <
> caabpjz0zzeeggwcy4bmyyjfv3ajshrtzgcrdpqdopuieeri...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> I recently extracted data with different car profiles.
> But my driving time estimates are just not accurate.
> Actually they are very different from google and not usable.
>
> So I was wondering if there is anybody having a car profile for the DACH
> region ?
>
> My current settings are :
> speed_profile = {
>   ["motorway"] = 130,
>   ["motorway_link"] = 75,
>   ["trunk"] = 100,
>   ["trunk_link"] = 70,
>   ["primary"] = 100,
>   ["primary_link"] = 60,
>   ["secondary"] = 100,
>   ["secondary_link"] = 50,
>   ["tertiary"] = 70,
>   ["tertiary_link"] = 50,
>   ["unclassified"] = 50,
>   ["residential"] = 25,
>   ["living_street"] = 10,
>   ["service"] = 15,
> --  ["track"] = 5,
>   ["ferry"] = 5,
>   ["shuttle_train"] = 10,
>   ["default"] = 10
> }
>
> I look very much forward hearing form you.
>
> Best,
> Philip
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> Hi Phillip,
> You need to describe in more detail why your travel times are not correct,
> otherwise no one will be able to help you.
> Can you provide concrete examples, with links to the routes?
>
>
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Re: [OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed

[Michal Palenik]

does not the impedance variable solve all this? 

though i cannot find any example...
michal
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 11:06:51AM +0200, didier2020 wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i wonder if osrm can mix kilometers and speed to calculate a route
> 
> exemple: 
> my car : 5l/100 km with 1l = 1.5 € => 0.075€ for one kilometer
> me : my time can be arround 16€/h
> 
> so for a trip of 50 km, and 20 minutes 
> => (50*0.075) + (20/60*16) = 3.75 + 5.33 = 9.08€
> 
> 
> thanks
> didier
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed

[Florian Lohoff]

On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 11:06:51AM +0200, didier2020 wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i wonder if osrm can mix kilometers and speed to calculate a route
> 
> exemple: 
> my car : 5l/100 km with 1l = 1.5 € => 0.075€ for one kilometer
> me : my time can be arround 16€/h

But this is not true for todays cars. Its consumption per km and
travel speed. Yes - with the current downsizing of motors you get
much lower fuel consumption on partial load e.g. the citys. But
driving on the motorway you'll consume the same amount of fuel
than having a 6 cylinder 3,5l engine. So its not fuel per time
but fuel per km and road type.

> so for a trip of 50 km, and 20 minutes 
> => (50*0.075) + (20/60*16) = 3.75 + 5.33 = 9.08€

Flo
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH region)

[Emil Tin]

Hi Phillip,
You need to describe in more detail why your travel times are not correct, 
otherwise no one will be able to help you.
Can you provide concrete examples, with links to the routes?


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Fra: code lump [mailto:codel...@gmail.com]
Sendt: 7. april 2014 11:17
Til: osrm-talk@openstreetmap.org
Emne: [OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH 
region)

Hi,
I recently extracted data with different car profiles.
But my driving time estimates are just not accurate.
Actually they are very different from google and not usable.
So I was wondering if there is anybody having a car profile for the DACH region 
?
My current settings are :
speed_profile = {
  ["motorway"] = 130,
  ["motorway_link"] = 75,
  ["trunk"] = 100,
  ["trunk_link"] = 70,
  ["primary"] = 100,
  ["primary_link"] = 60,
  ["secondary"] = 100,
  ["secondary_link"] = 50,
  ["tertiary"] = 70,
  ["tertiary_link"] = 50,
  ["unclassified"] = 50,
  ["residential"] = 25,
  ["living_street"] = 10,
  ["service"] = 15,
--  ["track"] = 5,
  ["ferry"] = 5,
  ["shuttle_train"] = 10,
  ["default"] = 10
}
I look very much forward hearing form you.
Best,
Philip
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[OSRM-talk] Bad driving times - Looking for car profile (within DACH region)

[code lump]

Hi,

I recently extracted data with different car profiles.
But my driving time estimates are just not accurate.
Actually they are very different from google and not usable.

So I was wondering if there is anybody having a car profile for the DACH
region ?

My current settings are :
speed_profile = {
  ["motorway"] = 130,
  ["motorway_link"] = 75,
  ["trunk"] = 100,
  ["trunk_link"] = 70,
  ["primary"] = 100,
  ["primary_link"] = 60,
  ["secondary"] = 100,
  ["secondary_link"] = 50,
  ["tertiary"] = 70,
  ["tertiary_link"] = 50,
  ["unclassified"] = 50,
  ["residential"] = 25,
  ["living_street"] = 10,
  ["service"] = 15,
--  ["track"] = 5,
  ["ferry"] = 5,
  ["shuttle_train"] = 10,
  ["default"] = 10
}

I look very much forward hearing form you.

Best,
Philip
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[OSRM-talk] mix kilometers and speed

[didier2020]

hi,

i wonder if osrm can mix kilometers and speed to calculate a route

exemple: 
my car : 5l/100 km with 1l = 1.5 € => 0.075€ for one kilometer
me : my time can be arround 16€/h

so for a trip of 50 km, and 20 minutes 
=> (50*0.075) + (20/60*16) = 3.75 + 5.33 = 9.08€


thanks
didier







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