RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter
Hi Guys, I know this thread is marked as OT, but I don't think it even comes close to being within that very broad scope for the OZDOTNET list . The majority of recent posts have all been just opinions, and everyone has a right to hold them, and I defend everyone's right to their own opinion. But I'm pretty sure that this isn't the forum to express them. Cheers, Trevor Andrew From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2010 3:04 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Debt itself isn't a problem, this is garbage debt does matter, it matters alot more debt = less options massive debt = no options and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage i needed to make the correction also On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies, it's just that they're mostly failures. As opposed to Liberals who actually don't stand for anything other than telling us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite. A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer - the Liberal party representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying to get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the unions. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2010 1:24 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe. Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long line of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great great grand children will still be paying off ;) But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more positions/policies than 2 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Friday, 9 July 2010 5:08 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Greg I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but he was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a political party called Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not to vote. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternetFilter
+1 Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -Original Message- From: Trevor Andrew tand...@tassoc.com.au Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:48:41 To: 'ozDotNet'ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Reply-To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Hi Guys, I know this thread is marked as OT, but I don't think it even comes close to being within that very broad scope for the OZDOTNET list . The majority of recent posts have all been just opinions, and everyone has a right to hold them, and I defend everyone's right to their own opinion. But I'm pretty sure that this isn't the forum to express them. Cheers, Trevor Andrew From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2010 3:04 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Debt itself isn't a problem, this is garbage debt does matter, it matters alot more debt = less options massive debt = no options and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage i needed to make the correction also On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies, it's just that they're mostly failures. As opposed to Liberals who actually don't stand for anything other than telling us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite. A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer - the Liberal party representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying to get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the unions. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2010 1:24 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe. Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long line of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great great grand children will still be paying off ;) But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more positions/policies than 2 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Friday, 9 July 2010 5:08 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Greg I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but he was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a political party called Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not to vote. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternetFilter
Trevor work's for Conroy? He wants to filter the post +1 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Dan Cash dan.c...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -- *From: *Trevor Andrew tand...@tassoc.com.au *Sender: *ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com *Date: *Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:48:41 +1000 *To: *'ozDotNet'ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *ReplyTo: *ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject: *RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Hi Guys, I know this thread is marked as OT, but I don’t think it even comes close to being within that very broad scope for the OZDOTNET list … The majority of recent posts have all been just opinions, and *everyone* has a right to hold them, and I defend *everyone’s* right to their own opinion. But I’m pretty sure that this isn’t the forum to express them. Cheers, Trevor Andrew *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2010 3:04 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Debt itself isn’t a problem, this is garbage debt does matter, it matters alot more debt = less options massive debt = no options and spending money for the sake of votes is also garbage i needed to make the correction also On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: Ah, naive, and so transparently biased. Labor do have a stack of policies, it’s just that they’re mostly failures. As opposed to Liberals who actually don’t stand for anything other than telling us one thing and then implementing the complete opposite. A neighbour of mine used to say they were blue and bluer – the Liberal party representing the rich and sucking in a whole lot of aspirational voters into thinking that meant them as well, while Labor is the try-hard party, trying to get the rich to like them as well, while still having problems with the unions. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie *Sent:* Saturday, 10 July 2010 1:24 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Liberals actually have 2 whole policies now I believe. Well that would be 2 more than Labor, lets face it, they just have a long line of disasters/failures/wasted many many billions and debt your great great grand children will still be paying off ;) But if I think you follow politics a bit more closely they have a few more positions/policies than 2 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee 1,2,3,3' - The Albert Langer Story http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1995-96/96cib14.htm -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -- *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ian Thomas *Sent:* Friday, 9 July 2010 5:08 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: [OT] Friday - Conway (or.. Labor govt) once againdelaysInternet Filter Greg I'm not sure if you remember Albert Langer (decades ago, in Victoria), but he was gaoled for a short time for infringing the electoral act by forming a political party called Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee which encouraged people not to vote. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Entity Framework 2
Folks, last year I experimented with the Entity Frame 1 and after therapy to recover I decided that it was too immature to use in a production app. The vote http://efvote.wufoo.com/forms/ado-net-entity-framework-vote-of-no-confidenc e/ of no confidence it received back then was based on more academic issues such as persistence ignorance. One of the main problems for me was that the generated Entity classes could not be serialised over Remoting or WCF. You see, I was biased because I had been using netTiers generated entities for a few years, and they could be completely round-tripped and remember their state. We're just starting a brand new app which will need the data server to run 3 ways: in-process for simple installs; over-LAN in an office install; over http for web access. A few years ago I wrote a demo app which proves that WCF can do this 'as advertised' by simply changing the bindings (the http way has reduced functionally of course). So I'm happy to use WCF for component communication in the new app, but what database entity classes am I going to be passing back and forth? Is Entity Framework V2 a viable solution? Has anyone used EF2 in anger and can tell me how it went? Any other modern and elegant techniques anyone can recommend? Cheers, Greg
RE: Entity Framework 2
Hi Greg, . The vote of no confidence http://efvote.wufoo.com/forms/ado-net-entity-framework-vote-of-no-confidenc e/ Agree. The soap packets in ASP.NET web-services were verbose as well. We boxed/unboxed from Entities to changes-only CSV data either side of the web-service to help with performance. Is there any reason you cannot look at EF4. You can use POCO classes, so serialization is less of an issue. Regards, Nic Roche From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:48 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: Entity Framework 2 Folks, last year I experimented with the Entity Frame 1 and after therapy to recover I decided that it was too immature to use in a production app. The vote of no confidence http://efvote.wufoo.com/forms/ado-net-entity-framework-vote-of-no-confidenc e/ it received back then was based on more academic issues such as persistence ignorance. One of the main problems for me was that the generated Entity classes could not be serialised over Remoting or WCF. You see, I was biased because I had been using netTiers generated entities for a few years, and they could be completely round-tripped and remember their state. We're just starting a brand new app which will need the data server to run 3 ways: in-process for simple installs; over-LAN in an office install; over http for web access. A few years ago I wrote a demo app which proves that WCF can do this 'as advertised' by simply changing the bindings (the http way has reduced functionally of course). So I'm happy to use WCF for component communication in the new app, but what database entity classes am I going to be passing back and forth? Is Entity Framework V2 a viable solution? Has anyone used EF2 in anger and can tell me how it went? Any other modern and elegant techniques anyone can recommend? Cheers, Greg
