RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8
On switching apps: Good-old Alt-Tab works for me? Or Ctrl-Alt-Tab to keep it open and pick? John From: ton...@tpg.com.au To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:41:15 +1000 I have to agree with what you’re saying about flicking between apps. And you’ve got a tablet - it’s even harder with a mouse! As far as I can tell, you have to go so close to the left border of the desktop and then it seems to only show the previous view/app you were using. I would have thought it would show all the apps that you currently have activated (but are probably suspended) allowing you to slide between the various apps. Also, it took me a while to figure out that the start button was still available because it was so far down in the bottom left corner that I’m surprised I actually stumbled across it with the mouse. I know it’s early days and it’s designed for touch – but I’m worried it’s going to upset a lot of people if they don’t work out how to make that more intuitive. There’s is a lot of existing hardware that it’s going to have to run on that is not touch ready. T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011 5:54 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8 For those wanting to play with it inside a virtual machine, i'd recommend you instead boot directly into Win8 as a VHD instead. Here is a guide from Scott Hanselman http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8DeveloperPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx One of those annoying things I'm finding with the new tile interface, is trying to swap from one app to another. You need to keep flicking your finger from the left to cycle through the apps. It makes it really difficult to know if your app is still actually in the back stack, or where exactly it is. I keep flicking through, cycling through twice only to discover that my app isn't open any more, or I keep missing it and need to keep cycling through again. Having a way to switch apps with say, similar to how you can quick switch on iOS would make it so much more functional. -David Burela On 16 September 2011 16:33, Grant Maw grant@gmail.commailto:grant@gmail.com wrote: No, Win7 64 bit host. x64 Win8 preview. On 16 September 2011 14:36, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, were you doing it on a 32bit host environment? installing the x64 Win8 preview build? On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Grant Maw grant@gmail.commailto:grant@gmail.com wrote: To get it working on VirtualBox (assuming you had the same unexpected error that I got) you need to do this : In the settings for your virtual box, motherboard tab, make sure you have selected Enable IO APIC, then on the Processor tab, make sure Enable PAE/NX is selected. I have also read somewhere that people are having trouble getting the networking to work properly. I didn't have this issue but the current wisdom for this is to go into settings and on Network-Adapter1-Advanced choose the generic (Intel PRO/1000 MT) network card. Hope that helps Grant On 16 September 2011 14:19, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, nice, thanks Ken, I was using virtual box, but it crapped itself. So I thought it was across the board. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Applications like VMWare Workstation will let you run 64bit VMs even if the host OS is 32bit Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Friday, 16 September 2011 10:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8 Man it totally sucks. I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of windows is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is the only version that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH And that link requires MSDN subscription only. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: Please also play around with the developer tools, I’d suggest downloading the Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-11-developer-preview.aspx) over the Express edition. One thing you should be
Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8
Is there any design guidelines for the new Metro styled apps yet? I'm designing an app at the moment that's loosely following the Zune app in style, but I also want it to fit in with the Windows 8 Metro apps as well so that when its released it fits in nicely. Seems to be lots of block colours and chromeless UI (which I'm sticking to as close as I can). I was hoping for a document that's been used for the apps, rather than having to reverse engineer it all. the do's and don'ts to be consistent. Lots of these things can be really subtle and easily missed until pointed out. cheers, Stephen On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote: I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing list yet. I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/ http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/ *Some quick thoughts:* *Development* The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool. User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code. *as a desktop* The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro themed style is cool However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts (Tile interface, classic desktop). I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you back to the tiles. I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone on MSN, is a jarring experience. -David Burela
Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8
http://www.microsoft.com/design/toolbox/tutorials/windows-phone-7/metro/ Its all very be the melting ice cream in terms of knowledge / principles. I am giving a talk in Sweden Oredev conference on this subject so as i get closer to finalizing my talk, i'll def upload and provide some more hands on approaches maybe? --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.comwrote: Is there any design guidelines for the new Metro styled apps yet? I'm designing an app at the moment that's loosely following the Zune app in style, but I also want it to fit in with the Windows 8 Metro apps as well so that when its released it fits in nicely. Seems to be lots of block colours and chromeless UI (which I'm sticking to as close as I can). I was hoping for a document that's been used for the apps, rather than having to reverse engineer it all. the do's and don'ts to be consistent. Lots of these things can be really subtle and easily missed until pointed out. cheers, Stephen On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote: I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing list yet. I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/ http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/ *Some quick thoughts:* *Development* The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool. User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code. *as a desktop* The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro themed style is cool However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts (Tile interface, classic desktop). I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you back to the tiles. I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone on MSN, is a jarring experience. -David Burela
