Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Alex Chong 
From the government's perspective this generally means police clearance that 
you can request from police station .  Can't remember the cost but it is not 
expensive definitely less than 100 in Perth.

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/09/2011, at 8:32 AM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Gday,
> Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security clearance 
> would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for this? 
> Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with my 
> Googling skills yet
> 
> Cheers
> Tom
>

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Preet Sangha 
I hope it's easier than getting uk security clearance. You're not considered
for contracts until you have it and you can't get it until you have a job or
some company to sponsor you. Meh

On 26 September 2011 13:32, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Gday,
> Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security clearance
> would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for this?
> Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with my
> Googling skills yet
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
>


-- 
regards,
Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Grant Molloy 
I think it depends on the security clearance you're after..

For anything serious, all I can say is "bend over & cough!"..
Be prepared to put your last 10 yrs on paper, and a full current financial
picture of your life!  As a start!!
On 26/09/2011 6:56 PM, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:
> I hope it's easier than getting uk security clearance. You're not
considered
> for contracts until you have it and you can't get it until you have a job
or
> some company to sponsor you. Meh
>
> On 26 September 2011 13:32, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Gday,
>> Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security
clearance
>> would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for
this?
>> Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with
my
>> Googling skills yet
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland

RE: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Fredericks, Chris 
It depends on the government department/agency and the security level of the 
clearance you wish to obtain.

For example, when my employer required me to obtain Highly Protected security 
clearance with the ATO a couple of years ago, I had to complete many forms and 
provide certificate copies of many documents such as:

* Consent to Obtain Personal Details for Pre-Employment Integrity Check;

* Consent to Obtain Personal Information - includes Consent for Police 
Records Check/CrimTrac;

* Personal Particulars - includes spouse, father and mother, 
employment, education, partners/relatives living overseas, people living with 
you, club memberships, contacts with foreign officials, overseas travel by you 
or people living with you, any undetected criminal activity on your part or 
your associates;

* Financial Declaration - includes annual net income for you and 
partner for the last three financial years, annual expenditure by you and your 
partner for the last three financial years, financial commitments for you and 
any partner, major assets held by you and any partner, any loan defaults, do 
you or your partner gamble, have you received a bequest, lottery win, 
redundancy package;

* Referee Nomination - from current supervisor, most recent previous 
supervisor and 2 character referees;

* General Consent - Statutory Declaration - Declaration of Secrecy - 
Full Birth Certificate - Naturalisation/Citizenship Certificate (if applicable) 
- Marriage Certificate - Divorce Certificate (if applicable) - Armed Services 
Discharge Certificate (if applicable) - etc.

It didn't cost me anything other than getting certified extracts from Birth, 
Deaths and Marriages etc.

Colleagues of mine who have a Customs Clearance tell me that it is even more 
complicated than the ATO to obtain.

I didn't provide all of this detail to deter you, but to emphasize that it may 
be a very detailed undertaking depending upon the department and clearance you 
are after.  I suspect the higher a security clearance is that you obtain, the 
more valuable it will be to you in subsequent job applications or transfers.

I would suggest you contact a couple of the government entities you may be 
considering for a job and ask them for advice on what security clearances may 
be required for you to be a successful applicant.  Also, the Australian 
Government Security Vetting Agency (http://www.defence.gov.au/agsva/) covers 
the Department of Defence, but I believe it may now also handle security 
clearances for other government entities.

Good luck
Chris


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

Gday,
Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security clearance 
would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for this? Is 
it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with my 
Googling skills yet

Cheers
Tom

RE: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Tony Wright 
It would be seen as irrelevant.

 

No agency would rely on an outside obtained security clearance. What a
massive hole in security that would be!

 

They won't care about the cost of a security clearance if they think they
have the right person.

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

 

Gday,

Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security clearance
would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for this?
Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with my
Googling skills yet

 

Cheers

Tom

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread David Connors 
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Fredericks, Chris
wrote:

> · **Financial Declaration – includes annual net income for you and
> partner for the last three financial years, annual expenditure by you and
> your partner for the last three financial years, financial commitments for
> you and any partner, major assets held by you and any partner, any loan
> defaults, do you or your partner gamble, have you received a bequest,
> lottery win, redundancy package;
>
> **
>
Out of curiosity, how were you able to provide your expenditure for the past
three years? It isn't like individuals keep a running GL of their
expenditure with an accurate reconciliation. Or did they want just very high
level detail?

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Codify Pty Ltd
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ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread David Connors 
Howdy,

Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we should be
doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for Win32
moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on WinRT
being the new way forward.

So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the new/pending
reality?

My thinking is that:

   - ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
   release of Win8.
   - ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
   audiences from the above three lists.

Thoughts, comments?

David.

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Software Engineer
Codify Pty Ltd
Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
189 363
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Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Preet Sangha 
ozwindows?

On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we should
> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
> WinRT being the new way forward.
>
> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
> new/pending reality?
>
> My thinking is that:
>
>- ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward
>the release of Win8.
>- ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
>audiences from the above three lists.
>
> Thoughts, comments?
>
> David.
>
> --
> *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
> Software Engineer
> Codify Pty Ltd
> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
> 189 363
> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>
>


-- 
regards,
Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Scott Barnes 
WinUX - lol.. didn't think of the Linux...so True :)

how about ozwindev? ozwindl? (distribution list), ozXAML ?




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, David Richards <
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:

> ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
> think the universe would implode.
>
> I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
> even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
> than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
> Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
> lists or they wont bother with the new list.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
> > I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the
> future
> > of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is
> going
> > to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how
> slow
> > enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
> > Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
> > I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really
> seeing
> > a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
> > WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists
> and
> > haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to
> have
> > equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
> > really justify a partitioned community)
> > Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now
> around
> > User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
> > ?
> > ---
> > Regards,
> > Scott Barnes
> > http://www.riagenic.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ozwindows?
> >>
> >> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we
> should
> >>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
> >>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
> >>> WinRT being the new way forward.
> >>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
> >>> new/pending reality?
> >>> My thinking is that:
> >>>
> >>> ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
> >>> release of Win8.
> >>> ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
> >>> audiences from the above three lists.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts, comments?
> >>> David.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
> >>> Software Engineer
> >>> Codify Pty Ltd
> >>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
> 417
> >>> 189 363
> >>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> >>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> regards,
> >> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
> >
> >
>

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread David Richards 
ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
think the universe would implode.

I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
lists or they wont bother with the new list.

Just my opinion.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama




On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes  wrote:
> I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the future
> of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is going
> to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how slow
> enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
> Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
> I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really seeing
> a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
> WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists and
> haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to have
> equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
> really justify a partitioned community)
> Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now around
> User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
> ?
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>>
>> ozwindows?
>>
>> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we should
>>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
>>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
>>> WinRT being the new way forward.
>>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
>>> new/pending reality?
>>> My thinking is that:
>>>
>>> ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
>>> release of Win8.
>>> ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
>>> audiences from the above three lists.
>>>
>>> Thoughts, comments?
>>> David.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
>>> Software Engineer
>>> Codify Pty Ltd
>>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
>>> 189 363
>>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> regards,
>> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
>
>

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Scott Barnes 
I'd probably shoot for *ozwinux*. If your main goal is to discuss the future
of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is going
to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how slow
enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.

I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really seeing
a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists and
haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to have
equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
really justify a partitioned community)

Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now around
User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.

?

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> ozwindows?
>
>
> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we should
>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
>> WinRT being the new way forward.
>>
>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
>> new/pending reality?
>>
>> My thinking is that:
>>
>>- ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward
>>the release of Win8.
>>- ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
>>audiences from the above three lists.
>>
>> Thoughts, comments?
>>
>> David.
>>
>> --
>> *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
>> Software Engineer
>> Codify Pty Ltd
>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
>> 189 363
>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
>

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread David Connors 
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> ozwindows?
>
>
I was surprised to see that available and not having some tacky glazing
company from the Very GC on it or similar.

I've registered and parked the variants for that. We'll see where this
thread goes and make some sort of decision in the coming weeks/months.

David.

-- 
*David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
Software Engineer
Codify Pty Ltd
Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
189 363
V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact

RE: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Fredericks, Chris 
I only had to provide total amounts for myself and partner for annual net 
income and annual expenditure for the past three years.

Financial commitments (mortgage/rent/board, investment property(s), shares, 
personal loans, credit cards, store cards, child support payments, child 
care/school fees, supporting other family members, HECS/HELP, other) are 
indicated by actual monthly repayment, minimum monthly repayment, amount owing 
and credit limit (as applicable).  Major assets (home, investment property(s), 
motor vehicle(s), home contents, savings, shares, superannuation, other) are 
indicated by current value and equity.

Individuals/partners don’t keep a running GL, but they do accumulate a lot of 
statements, invoices etc.

Cheers,
Chris

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 8:00 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Fredericks, Chris 
mailto:chris.frederi...@hp.com>> wrote:
• Financial Declaration – includes annual net income for you and 
partner for the last three financial years, annual expenditure by you and your 
partner for the last three financial years, financial commitments for you and 
any partner, major assets held by you and any partner, any loan defaults, do 
you or your partner gamble, have you received a bequest, lottery win, 
redundancy package;
Out of curiosity, how were you able to provide your expenditure for the past 
three years? It isn't like individuals keep a running GL of their expenditure 
with an accurate reconciliation. Or did they want just very high level detail?

--
David Connors | da...@codify.com | 
www.codify.com
Codify Pty Ltd
Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 
363
V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Mark Hurd 
I agree with Tony. Your future employer will always get you clearance
confirmed. There is no point initiating it your self.

Of course you'll save everyone a lot of hassle if you report in your
resume anything that may be a red flag.

-- 
Regards,
Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)

On 26 September 2011 21:35, Tony Wright  wrote:
> It would be seen as irrelevant.
>
>
>
> No agency would rely on an outside obtained security clearance. What a
> massive hole in security that would be!
>
>
>
> They won’t care about the cost of a security clearance if they think they
> have the right person.
>
>
>
> T.
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
> Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra
>
>
>
> Gday,
>
> Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security clearance
> would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for this?
> Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with my
> Googling skills yet
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Tom
>

RE: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Jake Ginnivan 
ozXaml makes sense to me.

WPF and Silverlight are not legacy, WinRT and Metro apps are win8 metro only as 
far as I understand. WPF and Silverlight still have a place. All of these 
things are Xaml based. Pretty easy to just put [WPF], [SL], [Metro] in front of 
your post if it is specific to a stack.

Jake

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 7:22 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

WinUX - lol.. didn't think of the Linux...so True :)

how about ozwindev? ozwindl? (distribution list), ozXAML ?




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, David Richards 
mailto:ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com>> wrote:
ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
think the universe would implode.

I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
lists or they wont bother with the new list.

Just my opinion.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama




On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes 
mailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the future
> of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is going
> to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how slow
> enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
> Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
> I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really seeing
> a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
> WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists and
> haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to have
> equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
> really justify a partitioned community)
> Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now around
> User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
> ?
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha 
> mailto:preetsan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ozwindows?
>>
>> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors 
>> mailto:da...@codify.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we should
>>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
>>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
>>> WinRT being the new way forward.
>>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
>>> new/pending reality?
>>> My thinking is that:
>>>
>>> ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
>>> release of Win8.
>>> ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
>>> audiences from the above three lists.
>>>
>>> Thoughts, comments?
>>> David.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Connors | da...@codify.com | 
>>> www.codify.com
>>> Software Engineer
>>> Codify Pty Ltd
>>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: 
>>> +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
>>> 189 363
>>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> regards,
>> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
>
>

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread William Luu 
Oz-MSDev?

On 27 September 2011 11:55, Jake Ginnivan  wrote:

> ozXaml makes sense to me.
>
> ** **
>
> WPF and Silverlight are not legacy, WinRT and Metro apps are win8 metro
> only as far as I understand. WPF and Silverlight still have a place. All of
> these things are Xaml based. Pretty easy to just put [WPF], [SL], [Metro] in
> front of your post if it is specific to a stack. 
>
> ** **
>
> Jake
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 September 2011 7:22 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
>
> ** **
>
> WinUX - lol.. didn't think of the Linux...so True :) 
>
> ** **
>
> how about ozwindev? ozwindl? (distribution list), ozXAML ?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, David Richards <
> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>
> ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
> think the universe would implode.
>
> I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
> even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
> than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
> Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
> lists or they wont bother with the new list.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
> > I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the
> future
> > of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is
> going
> > to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how
> slow
> > enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
> > Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
> > I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really
> seeing
> > a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
> > WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists
> and
> > haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to
> have
> > equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
> > really justify a partitioned community)
> > Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now
> around
> > User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
> > ?
> > ---
> > Regards,
> > Scott Barnes
> > http://www.riagenic.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ozwindows?
> >>
> >> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we
> should
> >>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
> >>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
> >>> WinRT being the new way forward.
> >>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
> >>> new/pending reality?
> >>> My thinking is that:
> >>>
> >>> ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
> >>> release of Win8.
> >>> ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
> >>> audiences from the above three lists.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts, comments?
> >>> David.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
> >>> Software Engineer
> >>> Codify Pty Ltd
> >>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
> 417
> >>> 189 363
> >>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> >>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> regards,
> >> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
> >
> >
>
> ** **
>

Renaming

2011-09-26 Thread Glen Harvy 

  
  
Personally, I don't see a change of title
  making any difference to the content.

RE: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Ian Thomas 
Fragmentation is good? I don't think so. 

I can't see any need to drop/demote OzDotNet - starting a OzWinRT might be a
good idea (though as I understand Windows 8, in running it on my machines I
could choose to have its UI being "Windows-old" instead of the lurid
patchwork quilt; and the WinRT fast-booting UI won't force me to stop
developing for Windows via .NET, across all versions of Windows). 

With a new OzWinRT email list, there will be the deserved attention on the
new technologies and UI in Win8 for a year or two - then (like WPF and
Silverlight) my guess is that there is really no reason for a separate email
list, and coalescence with (OzDotNet, or some other name) would be a
sensible course. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of William Luu
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:01 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

 

Oz-MSDev?

On 27 September 2011 11:55, Jake Ginnivan  wrote:

ozXaml makes sense to me.

 

WPF and Silverlight are not legacy, WinRT and Metro apps are win8 metro only
as far as I understand. WPF and Silverlight still have a place. All of these
things are Xaml based. Pretty easy to just put [WPF], [SL], [Metro] in front
of your post if it is specific to a stack. 

 

Jake

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 7:22 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

 

WinUX - lol.. didn't think of the Linux...so True :) 

 

how about ozwindev? ozwindl? (distribution list), ozXAML ?

 

 

 


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, David Richards
 wrote:

ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
think the universe would implode.

I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
lists or they wont bother with the new list.

Just my opinion.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama





On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes  wrote:
> I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the future
> of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is
going
> to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how
slow
> enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
> Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
> I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really
seeing
> a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
> WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists
and
> haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to
have
> equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
> really justify a partitioned community)
> Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now around
> User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
> ?
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha 
wrote:
>>
>> ozwindows?
>>
>> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we
should
>>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
>>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
>>> WinRT being the new way forward.
>>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
>>> new/pending reality?
>>> My thinking is that:
>>>
>>> ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
>>> release of Win8.
>>> ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
>>> audiences from the above three lists.
>>>
>>> Thoughts, comments?
>>> David.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com
>>> Software Engineer
>>> Codify Pty Ltd
>>> Phone: +61   (7) 3210 6268 |
Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269   | Mobile:
+61 417
>>> 189 363
>>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> regards,
>> Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
>
>

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Stephen Price 
Lets merge them all into a new list called OzDotNet.

Oh damn, that's taken.

Would posting C++ or HTML5 to OzDotNet be met with frowns and flames from
the purists? What about XAML or UI questions? I don't think it would
considering we frequently discuss what laptops everyone's using and whos the
best webhost these days. I don't mind a rename if its necessary and agree it
should bring us together not split us up into smaller fragments.
Call it a list defrag. :)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

>  Fragmentation is good? I don’t think so. 
>
> I can’t see any need to drop/demote OzDotNet – starting a OzWinRT might be
> a good idea (though as I understand Windows 8, in running it on my machines
> I could choose to have its UI being “Windows-old” instead of the lurid
> patchwork quilt; and the WinRT fast-booting UI won’t force me to stop
> developing for Windows via .NET, across all versions of Windows). 
>
> With a new OzWinRT email list, there will be the deserved attention on the
> new technologies and UI in Win8 for a year or two – then (like WPF and
> Silverlight) my guess is that there is really no reason for a separate email
> list, and coalescence with (OzDotNet, or some other name) would be a
> sensible course. 
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> **Ian Thomas**
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>   --
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> Oz-MSDev?
>
> On 27 September 2011 11:55, Jake Ginnivan 
> wrote:
>
> ozXaml makes sense to me.
>
>  
>
> WPF and Silverlight are not legacy, WinRT and Metro apps are win8 metro
> only as far as I understand. WPF and Silverlight still have a place. All of
> these things are Xaml based. Pretty easy to just put [WPF], [SL], [Metro] in
> front of your post if it is specific to a stack. 
>
>  
>
> Jake
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 September 2011 7:22 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
>
>  
>
> WinUX - lol.. didn't think of the Linux...so True :) 
>
>  
>
> how about ozwindev? ozwindl? (distribution list), ozXAML ?
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, David Richards <
> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>
> ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
> think the universe would implode.
>
> I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
> even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
> than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
> Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
> lists or they wont bother with the new list.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
> > I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the
> future
> > of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is
> going
> > to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how
> slow
> > enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
> > Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
> > I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really
> seeing
> > a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
> > WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists
> and
> > haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to
> have
> > equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
> > really justify a partitioned community)
> > Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now
> around
> > User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
> > ?
> > ---
> > Regards,
> > Scott Barnes
> > http://www.riagenic.com
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ozwindows?
> >>
> >> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>> Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we
> should
> >>> be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for
> >>> Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on
> >>> WinRT being the new way forward.
> >>> So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the
> >>> new/pending reality?
> >>> My thinking is that:
> >>>
> >>> ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy to

Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread mike smith 
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Stephen Price wrote:

> Lets merge them all into a new list called OzDotNet.
>
> Oh damn, that's taken.
>
>
Damn squatters!


> Would posting C++ or HTML5 to OzDotNet be met with frowns and flames from
> the purists? What about XAML or UI questions?
>

Its happened in the past.  C++ is part of dotnet, anyway (CLI, not native)



> I don't think it would considering we frequently discuss what laptops
> everyone's using and whos the best webhost these days. I don't mind a rename
> if its necessary and agree it should bring us together not split us up into
> smaller fragments.
>

+1

I don't think there's enough traffic to split them.  And splitting
encourages cross-posting between lists.


> all it a list defrag. :)
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Ian Thomas wrote:
>
>>  Fragmentation is good? I don’t think so. 
>>
>> I can’t see any need to drop/demote OzDotNet – starting a OzWinRT might be
>> a good idea (though as I understand Windows 8, in running it on my machines
>> I could choose to have its UI being “Windows-old” instead of the lurid
>> patchwork quilt; and the WinRT fast-booting UI won’t force me to stop
>> developing for Windows via .NET, across all versions of Windows). 
>>
>> With a new OzWinRT email list, there will be the deserved attention on the
>> new technologies and UI in Win8 for a year or two – then (like WPF and
>> Silverlight) my guess is that there is really no reason for a separate email
>> list, and coalescence with (OzDotNet, or some other name) would be a
>> sensible course. 
>>
>> ** **
>>  --
>>
>> **Ian Thomas**
>> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *William Luu
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:01 AM
>>
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
>> 
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> Oz-MSDev?
>>
>> On 27 September 2011 11:55, Jake Ginnivan 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ozXaml makes sense to me.
>>
>>  
>>
>> WPF and Silverlight are not legacy, WinRT and Metro apps are win8 metro
>> only as far as I understand. WPF and Silverlight still have a place. All of
>> these things are Xaml based. Pretty easy to just put [WPF], [SL], [Metro] in
>> front of your post if it is specific to a stack. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Jake
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 September 2011 7:22 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
>>
>>  
>>
>> WinUX - lol.. didn't think of the Linux...so True :) 
>>
>>  
>>
>> how about ozwindev? ozwindl? (distribution list), ozXAML ?
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Regards,
>> Scott Barnes
>> http://www.riagenic.com
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, David Richards <
>> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>>
>> ozwinux?  Sounds like an unholy alliance between windows and linux.  I
>> think the universe would implode.
>>
>> I see nothing wrong with creating a new list but I wouldn't force or
>> even encourage migration.  I would advertising its existence rather
>> than say its a replacement.  Let people migrate if they choose to.
>> Either people will warm to the idea and stop posting on the current
>> lists or they wont bother with the new list.
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>> David
>>
>> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:00, Scott Barnes 
>> wrote:
>> > I'd probably shoot for ozwinux. If your main goal is to discuss the
>> future
>> > of .NET looking at the architecture breakdown i'm not sure everyone is
>> going
>> > to rush completely over into the WinRT way of life especially given how
>> slow
>> > enterprises around Australia have been in adoption in both Windows 7 vs
>> > Windows XP and WPF/Silverlight.
>> > I think there is still quite a few years to go before we start really
>> seeing
>> > a massive departure in current thinking. I think that consolidating the
>> > WPF/SL space could also be a bit of a win today given i'm on both lists
>> and
>> > haven't found either to be high in traffic (that is to say they seem to
>> have
>> > equally reasonable levels of discussion and yet low enough to not
>> > really justify a partitioned community)
>> > Something like ozwinx or ozwinux is really a focused discussion now
>> around
>> > User Experience Platforms in Microsoft Tech... WinRT, Win32 etc.
>> > ?
>> > ---
>> > Regards,
>> > Scott Barnes
>> > http://www.riagenic.com
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Preet Sangha 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ozwindows?
>> >>
>> >> On 27 September 2011 11:41, David Connors  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Howdy,
>> >>> Given the architectural changes in

RE: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread Bill McCarthy 
Well since WinRT is underpinned by standard API and COM, should it be OzCOM, or 
is the list just focused on UI design then OzMetroSexual ? (sarcasm implied )

My suggestion is wait and see. Discuss windows 8/winRT in here, and if the 
traffic flow is so high, then look at an appropriate group if needed. The name 
of the group will/should be obvious based on where the conversations go.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
|Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 8:41 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
|
|Howdy,
|
|
|Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we should be
|doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new replacement for Win32
|moving forward. WPF an SL become marginalised/legacy with XAML on WinRT
|being the new way forward.
|
|
|So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the new/pending
|reality?
|
|
|My thinking is that:
|
|*  ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
|release of Win8.
|*  ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
|audiences from the above three lists.
|
|Thoughts, comments?
|
|
|David.
|
|
|--
|
|David Connors | da...@codify.com   |
|www.codify.com  Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd
|Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189
|363
|V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
|
|Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
|
|

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Tom Rutter 
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mark Hurd  wrote:

> I agree with Tony. Your future employer will always get you clearance
> confirmed. There is no point initiating it your self.
>
> Of course you'll save everyone a lot of hassle if you report in your
> resume anything that may be a red flag.
>

No red flags. It is just that I've had a few recruitment agencies calling me
about jobs and the first thing they asked was if I had any current security
clearances. This made me think maybe I could get something and that would
make it easier to find a job. Some are set to start immediately but require
a security clearance


>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
>
> On 26 September 2011 21:35, Tony Wright  wrote:
> > It would be seen as irrelevant.
> >
> >
> >
> > No agency would rely on an outside obtained security clearance. What a
> > massive hole in security that would be!
> >
> >
> >
> > They won’t care about the cost of a security clearance if they think they
> > have the right person.
> >
> >
> >
> > T.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> > On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
> > Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
> > To: ozDotNet
> > Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra
> >
> >
> >
> > Gday,
> >
> > Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security
> clearance
> > would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for
> this?
> > Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with
> my
> > Googling skills yet
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Grant Molloy 
I was told that when you lodge the paperwork, that is deemed to have
satisfied the requiement of having the security clearance. It can take
months to come through.
I am currenly working for ATO and my security hasn't been finalised...
yet... (over 2 months since submitted first paperwork).
 On 27/09/2011 2:21 PM, "Tom Rutter"  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mark Hurd  wrote:
>
>> I agree with Tony. Your future employer will always get you clearance
>> confirmed. There is no point initiating it your self.
>>
>> Of course you'll save everyone a lot of hassle if you report in your
>> resume anything that may be a red flag.
>>
>
> No red flags. It is just that I've had a few recruitment agencies calling
me
> about jobs and the first thing they asked was if I had any current
security
> clearances. This made me think maybe I could get something and that would
> make it easier to find a job. Some are set to start immediately but
require
> a security clearance
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
>>
>> On 26 September 2011 21:35, Tony Wright  wrote:
>> > It would be seen as irrelevant.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No agency would rely on an outside obtained security clearance. What a
>> > massive hole in security that would be!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > They won’t care about the cost of a security clearance if they think
they
>> > have the right person.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > T.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
>> > Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
>> > To: ozDotNet
>> > Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gday,
>> >
>> > Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security
>> clearance
>> > would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for
>> this?
>> > Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck
with
>> my
>> > Googling skills yet
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>>

Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread mike smith 
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mark Hurd  wrote:
>
>> I agree with Tony. Your future employer will always get you clearance
>> confirmed. There is no point initiating it your self.
>>
>> Of course you'll save everyone a lot of hassle if you report in your
>> resume anything that may be a red flag.
>>
>
> No red flags. It is just that I've had a few recruitment agencies calling
> me about jobs and the first thing they asked was if I had any current
> security clearances. This made me think maybe I could get something and that
> would make it easier to find a job. Some are set to start immediately but
> require a security clearance
>

If you'd worked in a job that required one, it may not have lapsed.


>
>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
>>
>> On 26 September 2011 21:35, Tony Wright  wrote:
>> > It would be seen as irrelevant.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No agency would rely on an outside obtained security clearance. What a
>> > massive hole in security that would be!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > They won’t care about the cost of a security clearance if they think
>> they
>> > have the right person.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > T.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
>> > Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
>> > To: ozDotNet
>> > Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gday,
>> >
>> > Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security
>> clearance
>> > would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for
>> this?
>> > Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with
>> my
>> > Googling skills yet
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>>
>
>


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Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread mike smith 
Depending on the job, you might get 'make-work' til it does.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> I was told that when you lodge the paperwork, that is deemed to have
> satisfied the requiement of having the security clearance. It can take
> months to come through.
> I am currenly working for ATO and my security hasn't been finalised...
> yet... (over 2 months since submitted first paperwork).
>  On 27/09/2011 2:21 PM, "Tom Rutter"  wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mark Hurd  wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Tony. Your future employer will always get you clearance
> >> confirmed. There is no point initiating it your self.
> >>
> >> Of course you'll save everyone a lot of hassle if you report in your
> >> resume anything that may be a red flag.
> >>
> >
> > No red flags. It is just that I've had a few recruitment agencies calling
> me
> > about jobs and the first thing they asked was if I had any current
> security
> > clearances. This made me think maybe I could get something and that would
> > make it easier to find a job. Some are set to start immediately but
> require
> > a security clearance
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
> >>
> >> On 26 September 2011 21:35, Tony Wright  wrote:
> >> > It would be seen as irrelevant.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No agency would rely on an outside obtained security clearance. What a
> >> > massive hole in security that would be!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They won’t care about the cost of a security clearance if they think
> they
> >> > have the right person.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > T.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> >> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> >> > On Behalf Of Tom Rutter
> >> > Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 10:33 AM
> >> > To: ozDotNet
> >> > Subject: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gday,
> >> >
> >> > Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security
> >> clearance
> >> > would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for
> >> this?
> >> > Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck
> with
> >> my
> >> > Googling skills yet
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >>
>



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get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

2011-09-26 Thread Keith Knight 
We had to get police clearances over here in Perth for a new client earlier in 
the year and it was as easy as downloading a form, filling it out, going down 
to the local post office with a passport and drivers license, paying ~$60 and 
waiting about a month for it to be sent out.

I'm guessing there is a lot more involved if you need the full on security 
clearances like some of the other guys were mentioning but the basic police one 
was pretty straightforward.

Cheers,

Keith


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf 
Of Alex Chong [cwch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 26 September 2011 4:10 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Security clearance for work in Canberra

>From the government's perspective this generally means police clearance that 
>you can request from police station .  Can't remember the cost but it is not 
>expensive definitely less than 100 in Perth.

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/09/2011, at 8:32 AM, Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Gday,
> Moving to Canberra in a few months and I hear getting a security clearance 
> would help find jobs in the government. Any advice on the process for this? 
> Is it possible to secure a claerance on my own? Costs? How? No luck with my 
> Googling skills yet
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>

RE: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

2011-09-26 Thread David Kean 
I agree with Bill here. Given that the traffic is extremely low - talking about 
WinRT shouldn't be discouraged. Beside, I'm not sure why the entire .NET world 
should be considered legacy/off-topic once Win8 releases. We are just about to 
release Windows Phone 7.5, Silverlight 5 and just announced .NET Framework 4.5.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:19 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc

Well since WinRT is underpinned by standard API and COM, should it be OzCOM, or 
is the list just focused on UI design then OzMetroSexual ? (sarcasm implied )

My suggestion is wait and see. Discuss windows 8/winRT in here, and if the 
traffic flow is so high, then look at an appropriate group if needed. The name 
of the group will/should be obvious based on where the conversations go.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
|Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 8:41 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: ozdotnet vs ozwinrt etc
|
|Howdy,
|
|
|Given the architectural changes in Windows, I am canvasing what we 
|should be doing with a number of these lists. WinRT is the new 
|replacement for Win32 moving forward. WPF an SL become 
|marginalised/legacy with XAML on WinRT being the new way forward.
|
|
|So, any thoughts on new list structures and so on to inflect the 
|new/pending reality?
|
|
|My thinking is that:
|
|*  ozdotnet, ozwpf and ozsilverlight would end up being legacy toward the
|release of Win8.
|*  ozwinrt (registered it last night) would be a point of unifying the
|audiences from the above three lists.
|
|Thoughts, comments?
|
|
|David.
|
|
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