Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[mike smith]

The answer is appoint a dev to replace Ballmer.  David, are you keen on
applying?  (I can't believe I did that)

Mike

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Katherine Moss
wrote:

>  If .NET dies, then I’m leaving.  See you over at Novell HQ.  LOL
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
>
> ** **
>
> Did someone say "Microsoft pile on" :D
>
> ** **
>
> Notes so far:
>
> ** **
>
> * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8
> only). Thus discontinued.
>
> ** **
>
> * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY
> engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle
> development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution
> delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you
> developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy
> .. the end).
>
> ** **
>
> * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards
> compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward
> thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not
> bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with
> conditions applied.
>
> ** **
>
> * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on
> Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase.
> Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not
> only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how
> great developer relations have been to date, this will work out
> brilliantly).
>
> ** **
>
> * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and
> shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time
> reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8
> exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption
> but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user
> base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on "Look
> i made a game using Windows 8's & Internet Explorer"
>
> ** **
>
> * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and
> instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the
> said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving
> only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn
> would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but
> developers won't get to see as many "8.1" deployments as they need to thus
> the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web
> did when it first existed "I'll write code another time, maybe when
> everyone has a bigger install base"
>
> ** **
>
> * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item
> despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument
> the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or
> more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer
> relations bridge between "Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C#" and "Go jump in
> the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before
> you're initial jump"
>
> ** **
>
> * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem
> such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being
> stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to
> said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from
> occurring. 
>
> ** **
>
> :D
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah its a bit of "kick the sick puppy" moment but I look back on the last
> 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem
> persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what
> technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems -
> "Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with
> that over there" and "why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and
> more..."
>
> ** **
>
> Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be
> curious to see what that data looks like today :D
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>
> 
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
>
> At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down
> on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. 
>
>  
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Window

Re: [OT] Developer keyboard

[mike smith]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Nathan Chere wrote:

>  If it was wireless and had an option for other keys (eg Cherry blue) it
> would be near perfect.
>
> Or at least if not wireless, have a built-in USB hub… but would definitely
> prefer wireless. 
>
> **
>

What's the real benefit to wireless keyboards?  Mice I understand, but you
just don't have a need to move a keyboard.  Mine is wireless, but the
wireless point for it is an inch or so from the keyboard.  Unless you're
worried about electric shock during a thunderstorm...

Mice, OTOH, the need is that the mouse cable wears out near the entry into
the mouse.


>  **
>
> As it stands it really isn’t bringing anything overly compelling to the
> table which isn’t already done elsewhere. The dip switch behaviour is nice
> but still not enough of a selling point to make me choose that over the
> many alternatives.
>
> **
>

Reading it, this keyboard is backlit, but doesn't allow for changing layout
electronically.  I've seen some that consist of led/lcd keybacks that do
though.

> **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 August 2013 3:06 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Developer keyboard
>
> ** **
>
> Greetings all,
>
> ** **
>
> I don't mean to resurrect this thread (especially since I already have my
> new keyboard) but I just saw this post which was an interesting coincidence:
> 
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html
>
> ** **
>
> Thought some of you might be interested.
>
>
> 
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
> ** **
>
> On 21 August 2013 16:56, Stephen Price  wrote:*
> ***
>
> Careful looking/listening to things on YouTube. Last week a guy here at
> work was freaking out about the back light leakage on these fancy new IPS
> screens. 
>
> I never noticed it, but when I took a photo of it with my phone camera the
> backlight was quite noticeable. I guess the camera takes in lots of light
> causing a kind of over exposure in the photo... It looks no where near how
> bad the photos posted online (or that I took) make the screen look. Its
> only noticeable in a dark room when looking at an all black screen (and
> even then to your naked eye its fine, but the photo looks like a brightly
> lit screen). 
>
> ** **
>
> He bought one anyway :)
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, David Richards <
> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>
> It's louder than the "Microsoft Digital Media Keyboard 1.0a" I was using
> before.  It sounds very similar to that video.  It's a bit hard to tell if
> its louder or not since it kind of depended on how loud I set the volume :)
>  But if it has the same switches its probably the same.  It's much quieter
> than a "clicky" one I had some time ago.  I think it actually depends on
> your typing style.  If I'm careful and don't bottom out the keys it's much
> quieter.  I think it would take a bit if practice to do that normally.
>
>
> 
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
> ** **
>
> On 21 August 2013 14:55, Peter Gfader  wrote:
>
> Nice keyboard!
>
> How loud is it?
>
> ** **
>
> I bought the "daskeyboard ultimate silent" and I am not so happy with it.
> 
>
> I got the silent one, but it is still too loud. I use it at home where no
> one else sits in my home office, but doing remote pairing or calls is not a
> nice experience...
>
> ** **
>
> Here how loud that "silent" keyboard is
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrj9QMonts 
>
> ** **
>
>.peter.gfader. (current mood = warm sun makes my heart jump and puts a
> smile on my face)
>
>http://blog.gfader.com
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:26 AM, David Richards <
> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>
> I got it from mighty ape on sale but I'm pretty sure I saw it for similar
> prices elsewhere.  The link below is for a cyborg branded one which is the
> same thing.  mad catz own the cyborg brand.
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.mightyape.com.au/product/Cyborg-MMO7-Gaming-Mouse/19700928/
>
>
> 
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
> ** **
>
> On 21 August 2013 14:19, Stephen Price  wrote:*
> ***
>
> Where did you buy the mouse from? Looking about on my normal online
> stores, can't find that particular model.
>
> ** **
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> ** **
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Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Michael Ridland]

I've been doing alot of work with Xamarin and MvvmCross, in a multi
platform world this is one of the best solutions right now. Javascript is
not ready yet but it's moving fast.








On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:

> I'm wondering should developer relations sour further what it would take
> to move .NET horde over to Mono? is it tooling that's holding everyone
> back? .. i'm also wondering how gaming solutions like Unity3D etc after a
> few more evolutions will also add value to the whole discussion (is it a
> game engine or a UX SDK?)
>
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Katherine Moss  > wrote:
>
>>  If .NET dies, then I’m leaving.  See you over at Novell HQ.  LOL
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM
>>
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Did someone say "Microsoft pile on" :D
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Notes so far:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8
>> only). Thus discontinued.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY
>> engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle
>> development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution
>> delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you
>> developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy
>> .. the end).
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards
>> compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward
>> thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not
>> bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with
>> conditions applied.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on
>> Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase.
>> Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not
>> only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how
>> great developer relations have been to date, this will work out
>> brilliantly).
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and
>> shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time
>> reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8
>> exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption
>> but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user
>> base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on "Look
>> i made a game using Windows 8's & Internet Explorer"
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and
>> instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the
>> said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving
>> only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn
>> would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but
>> developers won't get to see as many "8.1" deployments as they need to thus
>> the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web
>> did when it first existed "I'll write code another time, maybe when
>> everyone has a bigger install base"
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed
>> item despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only
>> argument the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a
>> ~90% or more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a
>> developer relations bridge between "Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C#" and
>> "Go jump in the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd
>> in before you're initial jump"
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex
>> problem such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds
>> being stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react
>> to said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from
>> occurring. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> :D
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Yeah its a bit of "kick the sick puppy" moment but I look back on the
>> last 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a
>> problem persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over
>> what technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems
>> - "Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with
>> that over there" and "why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and
>> more..."
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoptio

RE: [OT] Developer keyboard

[Nathan Chere]

If it was wireless and had an option for other keys (eg Cherry blue) it would 
be near perfect.
Or at least if not wireless, have a built-in USB hub... but would definitely 
prefer wireless.

As it stands it really isn't bringing anything overly compelling to the table 
which isn't already done elsewhere. The dip switch behaviour is nice but still 
not enough of a selling point to make me choose that over the many alternatives.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 3:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Developer keyboard

Greetings all,

I don't mean to resurrect this thread (especially since I already have my new 
keyboard) but I just saw this post which was an interesting coincidence:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html

Thought some of you might be interested.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 21 August 2013 16:56, Stephen Price 
mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Careful looking/listening to things on YouTube. Last week a guy here at work 
was freaking out about the back light leakage on these fancy new IPS screens.
I never noticed it, but when I took a photo of it with my phone camera the 
backlight was quite noticeable. I guess the camera takes in lots of light 
causing a kind of over exposure in the photo... It looks no where near how bad 
the photos posted online (or that I took) make the screen look. Its only 
noticeable in a dark room when looking at an all black screen (and even then to 
your naked eye its fine, but the photo looks like a brightly lit screen).

He bought one anyway :)

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, David Richards 
mailto:ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com>> wrote:
It's louder than the "Microsoft Digital Media Keyboard 1.0a" I was using 
before.  It sounds very similar to that video.  It's a bit hard to tell if its 
louder or not since it kind of depended on how loud I set the volume :)  But if 
it has the same switches its probably the same.  It's much quieter than a 
"clicky" one I had some time ago.  I think it actually depends on your typing 
style.  If I'm careful and don't bottom out the keys it's much quieter.  I 
think it would take a bit if practice to do that normally.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 21 August 2013 14:55, Peter Gfader 
mailto:pe...@gfader.com>> wrote:
Nice keyboard!
How loud is it?

I bought the "daskeyboard ultimate silent" and I am not so happy with it.
I got the silent one, but it is still too loud. I use it at home where no one 
else sits in my home office, but doing remote pairing or calls is not a nice 
experience...

Here how loud that "silent" keyboard is 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrj9QMonts

   .peter.gfader. (current mood = warm sun makes my heart jump and puts a smile 
on my face)
   http://blog.gfader.com


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:26 AM, David Richards 
mailto:ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com>> wrote:
I got it from mighty ape on sale but I'm pretty sure I saw it for similar 
prices elsewhere.  The link below is for a cyborg branded one which is the same 
thing.  mad catz own the cyborg brand.

http://www.mightyape.com.au/product/Cyborg-MMO7-Gaming-Mouse/19700928/

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 21 August 2013 14:19, Stephen Price 
mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Where did you buy the mouse from? Looking about on my normal online stores, 
can't find that particular model.

cheers,
Stephen








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Re: [OT] Developer keyboard

[David Richards]

Greetings all,

I don't mean to resurrect this thread (especially since I already have my
new keyboard) but I just saw this post which was an interesting coincidence:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html

Thought some of you might be interested.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


On 21 August 2013 16:56, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Careful looking/listening to things on YouTube. Last week a guy here at
> work was freaking out about the back light leakage on these fancy new IPS
> screens.
> I never noticed it, but when I took a photo of it with my phone camera the
> backlight was quite noticeable. I guess the camera takes in lots of light
> causing a kind of over exposure in the photo... It looks no where near how
> bad the photos posted online (or that I took) make the screen look. Its
> only noticeable in a dark room when looking at an all black screen (and
> even then to your naked eye its fine, but the photo looks like a brightly
> lit screen).
>
> He bought one anyway :)
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, David Richards <
> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>
>> It's louder than the "Microsoft Digital Media Keyboard 1.0a" I was using
>> before.  It sounds very similar to that video.  It's a bit hard to tell if
>> its louder or not since it kind of depended on how loud I set the volume :)
>>  But if it has the same switches its probably the same.  It's much quieter
>> than a "clicky" one I had some time ago.  I think it actually depends on
>> your typing style.  If I'm careful and don't bottom out the keys it's much
>> quieter.  I think it would take a bit if practice to do that normally.
>>
>> David
>>
>> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>>
>>
>> On 21 August 2013 14:55, Peter Gfader  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice keyboard!
>>> How loud is it?
>>>
>>> I bought the "daskeyboard ultimate silent" and I am not so happy with
>>> it.
>>> I got the silent one, but it is still too loud. I use it at home where
>>> no one else sits in my home office, but doing remote pairing or calls is
>>> not a nice experience...
>>>
>>> Here how loud that "silent" keyboard is
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrj9QMonts
>>>
>>>.peter.gfader. (current mood = warm sun makes my heart jump and puts
>>> a smile on my face)
>>>http://blog.gfader.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:26 AM, David Richards <
>>> ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:
>>>
 I got it from mighty ape on sale but I'm pretty sure I saw it for
 similar prices elsewhere.  The link below is for a cyborg branded one which
 is the same thing.  mad catz own the cyborg brand.

 http://www.mightyape.com.au/product/Cyborg-MMO7-Gaming-Mouse/19700928/

 David

 "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


 On 21 August 2013 14:19, Stephen Price wrote:

> Where did you buy the mouse from? Looking about on my normal online
> stores, can't find that particular model.
>
> cheers,
> Stephen
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Scott Barnes]

I'm wondering should developer relations sour further what it would take to
move .NET horde over to Mono? is it tooling that's holding everyone back?
.. i'm also wondering how gaming solutions like Unity3D etc after a few
more evolutions will also add value to the whole discussion (is it a game
engine or a UX SDK?)


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Katherine Moss
wrote:

>  If .NET dies, then I’m leaving.  See you over at Novell HQ.  LOL
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
>
> ** **
>
> Did someone say "Microsoft pile on" :D
>
> ** **
>
> Notes so far:
>
> ** **
>
> * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8
> only). Thus discontinued.
>
> ** **
>
> * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY
> engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle
> development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution
> delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you
> developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy
> .. the end).
>
> ** **
>
> * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards
> compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward
> thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not
> bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with
> conditions applied.
>
> ** **
>
> * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on
> Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase.
> Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not
> only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how
> great developer relations have been to date, this will work out
> brilliantly).
>
> ** **
>
> * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and
> shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time
> reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8
> exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption
> but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user
> base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on "Look
> i made a game using Windows 8's & Internet Explorer"
>
> ** **
>
> * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and
> instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the
> said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving
> only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn
> would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but
> developers won't get to see as many "8.1" deployments as they need to thus
> the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web
> did when it first existed "I'll write code another time, maybe when
> everyone has a bigger install base"
>
> ** **
>
> * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item
> despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument
> the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or
> more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer
> relations bridge between "Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C#" and "Go jump in
> the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before
> you're initial jump"
>
> ** **
>
> * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem
> such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being
> stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to
> said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from
> occurring. 
>
> ** **
>
> :D
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah its a bit of "kick the sick puppy" moment but I look back on the last
> 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem
> persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what
> technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems -
> "Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with
> that over there" and "why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and
> more..."
>
> ** **
>
> Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be
> curious to see what that data looks like today :D
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>
> 
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
>
> At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down
> on that and opened it up to all sites ba

RE: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Katherine Moss]

If .NET dies, then I'm leaving.  See you over at Novell HQ.  LOL

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

Did someone say "Microsoft pile on" :D

Notes so far:

* Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only). 
Thus discontinued.

* Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY 
engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle 
development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution 
delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you developer 
screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy .. the end).

* Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards 
compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward thus 
adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not bring old 
into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with conditions applied.

* Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on Windows 
7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase. Ensure that 
by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not only occurs at 
the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how great developer 
relations have been to date, this will work out brilliantly).

* Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and shouldn't 
be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time reminding 
developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8 exist so will 
WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption but offer no 
up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user base to move across 
other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on "Look i made a game using 
Windows 8's & Internet Explorer"

* After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and instead 
make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the said product 
or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving only real benefit 
or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn would reduce future 
ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but developers won't get to see as 
many "8.1" deployments as they need to thus the psychology of ubiquity plays 
out much in the way Silverlight on the web did when it first existed "I'll 
write code another time, maybe when everyone has a bigger install base"

* Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item 
despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument the 
company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or more 
ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer relations 
bridge between "Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C#" and "Go jump in the HTML5 pool 
despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before you're initial jump"

* Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem such 
as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being stacked against 
them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to said technical work do 
everything they can to deter adoption from occurring.

:D

Yeah its a bit of "kick the sick puppy" moment but I look back on the last 2-3 
years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem persay in 
that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what technically is 
offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems - "Why are you not 
letting this piece of technical work over here work with that over there" and 
"why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and more..."

Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be curious to 
see what that data looks like today :D





---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on 
that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

Seriously? What happened to the "No Plug ins" ???

Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want 
something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand!

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney 
mailto:joseph.coo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, "Bill McCarthy" 
mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote:
I thought it does support flash

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...

Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Scott Barnes]

Did someone say "Microsoft pile on" :D

Notes so far:

* Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only).
Thus discontinued.

* Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY
engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle
development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution
delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you
developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy
.. the end).

* Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards
compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward
thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not
bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with
conditions applied.

* Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on
Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase.
Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not
only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how
great developer relations have been to date, this will work out
brilliantly).

* Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and
shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time
reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8
exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption
but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user
base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on "Look
i made a game using Windows 8's & Internet Explorer"

* After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and
instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the
said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving
only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn
would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but
developers won't get to see as many "8.1" deployments as they need to thus
the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web
did when it first existed "I'll write code another time, maybe when
everyone has a bigger install base"

* Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item
despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument
the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or
more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer
relations bridge between "Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C#" and "Go jump in
the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before
you're initial jump"

* Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem
such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being
stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to
said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from
occurring.

:D

Yeah its a bit of "kick the sick puppy" moment but I look back on the last
2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem
persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what
technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems -
"Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with
that over there" and "why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and
more..."

Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be
curious to see what that data looks like today :D





---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean wrote:

>  At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed
> down on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
>
> ** **
>
> Seriously? What happened to the "No Plug ins" ??? 
>
> ** **
>
> Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want
> something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand!
> 
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney 
> wrote:
>
> Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
>
> On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, "Bill McCarthy" 
> wrote:
>
> I thought it does support flash
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
> |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM
> |To: ozDotNet
> |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
> |
> |Greg,
> |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins.
> So no
> |Silverlight, no Flash etc.
> |
> |It's more commonly known as a Silve

RE: Silverlight on Windows 8

[David Kean]

At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on 
that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

Seriously? What happened to the "No Plug ins" ???

Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want 
something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand!

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney 
mailto:joseph.coo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, "Bill McCarthy" 
mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote:
I thought it does support flash

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
|
|Greg,
|Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins.
So no
|Silverlight, no Flash etc.
|
|It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce.
|
|Enjoy.
|
|
|On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh 
mailto:g...@mira.net>> wrote:
|
|
|   Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on
Windows
|8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the
first visit
|and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to
the old
|shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old
shell, but the
|Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if
you do
|it says "another version is already installed".
|
|   So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is
not
|supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be
|true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?
|
|
|   Greg
|

Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Stephen Price]

Seriously? What happened to the "No Plug ins" ???

Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want
something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand!


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney wrote:

> Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
> On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, "Bill McCarthy" 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought it does support flash
>>
>> |-Original Message-
>> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
>> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
>> |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM
>> |To: ozDotNet
>> |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
>> |
>> |Greg,
>> |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support
>> plugins.
>> So no
>> |Silverlight, no Flash etc.
>> |
>> |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce.
>> |
>> |Enjoy.
>> |
>> |
>> |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>> |
>> |
>> |   Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on
>> Windows
>> |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on
>> the
>> first visit
>> |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over
>> to
>> the old
>> |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old
>> shell, but the
>> |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and
>> if
>> you do
>> |it says "another version is already installed".
>> |
>> |   So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5
>> is
>> not
>> |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would
>> be
>> |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?
>> |
>> |
>> |   Greg
>> |
>>
>>
>>

RE: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Bill McCarthy]

Yep just checked on my Surface RT, and flash works both in the modern UI and
desktop versions. Silverlight will not install at all on Windows RT

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
|Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:43 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Silverlight on Windows 8
|
|Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
|
|On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, "Bill McCarthy" 
wrote:
|
|
|   I thought it does support flash
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|   |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
|   |
|   |Greg,
|   |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support
|plugins.
|   So no
|   |Silverlight, no Flash etc.
|   |
|   |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce.
|   |
|   |Enjoy.
|   |
|   |
|   |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
|   |
|   |
|   |   Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5
apps on
|   Windows
|   |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed
on the
|   first visit
|   |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips
over to
|   the old
|   |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the
old
|   shell, but the
|   |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over,
and
|if
|   you do
|   |it says "another version is already installed".
|   |
|   |   So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that
SL5 is
|   not
|   |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this
|would be
|   |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?
|   |
|   |
|   |   Greg
|   |
|
|
|

Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
>
Jumpin' heck, I must have missed that news. That's really weird,
surprising, irritating and it's bad for business.

I actually wanted to see my SL5 app running in Win8 metro to find out if it
would inherit the flat appearance, but of course I never reached that point.

The SL5 app does not have any style overrides and some customers complained
that it had the old Win7 look and wasn't sexy enough. Apparently they want
the app to have the flat pastel borderless look now popular in Metro and
phones. So now I've got to figure out how to give them an option for the
default or flattened appearance.

I've not needed to "skin" an SL5 app before, so I'd be keen to hear from
anyone who has advice on how to switch skins with minimum suffering. I'll
read some books and articles in the meantime.

Greg

RE: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Joseph Cooney]

Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight.
On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, "Bill McCarthy" 
wrote:

> I thought it does support flash
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
> |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM
> |To: ozDotNet
> |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
> |
> |Greg,
> |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins.
> So no
> |Silverlight, no Flash etc.
> |
> |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce.
> |
> |Enjoy.
> |
> |
> |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
> |
> |
> |   Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on
> Windows
> |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the
> first visit
> |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over
> to
> the old
> |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old
> shell, but the
> |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if
> you do
> |it says "another version is already installed".
> |
> |   So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is
> not
> |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would
> be
> |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?
> |
> |
> |   Greg
> |
>
>
>

RE: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Bill McCarthy]

I thought it does support flash

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
|
|Greg,
|Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins.
So no
|Silverlight, no Flash etc.
|
|It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce.
|
|Enjoy.
|
|
|On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
|
|
|   Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on
Windows
|8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the
first visit
|and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to
the old
|shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old
shell, but the
|Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if
you do
|it says "another version is already installed".
|
|   So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is
not
|supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be
|true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?
|
|
|   Greg
|

Re: Silverlight on Windows 8

[Stephen Price]

Greg,
Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins.
So no Silverlight, no Flash etc.

It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce.

Enjoy.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows
> 8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the
> first visit and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then
> flips over to the old shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working
> in IE10 in the old shell, but the Metro browser keeps asking me to install
> Silverlight over and over, and if you do it says "another version is
> already installed".
>
> So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not
> supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be
> true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?
>
> Greg
>

Silverlight on Windows 8

[Greg Keogh]

Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows
8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the
first visit and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then
flips over to the old shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working
in IE10 in the old shell, but the Metro browser keeps asking me to install
Silverlight over and over, and if you do it says "another version is
already installed".

So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not
supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be
true. Is it, or am I missing some trick?

Greg

Re: JS to WinService

[Niaz Rana]

Dear Sam,
 You are 100% right, App nature is that I must run within Network/Lan
but its Web App,...A what can I do if I have to follow.


thanks for your support Guys.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Sam Lai  wrote:

> So you're going to distribute the web app to every client and make
> them run an instance of it locally and access it using their browser?
> Effectively, you have just converted your web app into a Windows app.
> You might as well create a quick WinForms window for it with a
> WebBrowser control so they can use it without launching a browser.
>
> On 27 August 2013 17:09, Niaz Rana  wrote:
> > Hi & Thanks,
> > basically the client is restricted within network to access this web app,
> > although its not access able outside of network/province.
> > so i was thinking to make a JSON WCF webservice and call from jquery blah
> > blah, but we can't host at IIS, restriction from Leader, :( (i don't know
> > why frankly).
> > but point is there is a dll that will be at client/user machine who is
> using
> > this Web App.
> > we have to interface with them from client/user system who is using this
> Web
> > App from Browser.
> >
> > so thanks for your suggestions, but right now i am working on Self host
> Web
> > API.NET, am i going fine.?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Michael Ridland 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Niaz
> >>
> >> Maybe your leader and yourself are thinking of the same thing, as maybe
> >> he/she is referring to a ajax request as client side? Because when you
> don't
> >> use ajax you're doing full page request which 'could' be thought of as a
> >> server request while ajax as a client request?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sam Lai  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just to clarify, you have a web application being served up from a
> >>> server (machine A) and accessed from a client on machine B, and from
> >>> the web app client-side, you want to communicate with a Windows
> >>> Service running on machine B.
> >>>
> >>> If so, this isn't a question about the capabilities of ASP.NET or
> >>> NodeJS (or Rails or whatever other web platform), but rather a
> >>> question about what's available on the client machine. Typically,
> >>> there are four ways of doing this, and all involve some kind of
> >>> modification on the client machine (which you can anyway assuming
> >>> you're communicating with a custom Windows Service).
> >>>
> >>> 1. Register a protocol handler on that machine such that when a custom
> >>> URL like mycustomwindowsservice://some_data_to_pass_to_the_service is
> >>> accessed, your custom windows service is called to handle it. IIRC,
> >>> this is how iTunes links work.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Register a default file extension handler for a custom file
> >>> extension and MIME type, and serve up a file from the web app with
> >>> that extension/MIME type, which will cause the browser to download and
> >>> prompt the user to execute the handler which can communicate with your
> >>> custom Windows service. This is how just like what happens when you
> >>> download a Word document, except instead of opening the file in Word,
> >>> it opens in your custom app which can talk to the service.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Require the user to install a browser plugin, which can then handle
> >>> the communication to the service.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Add a custom Java applet (with unsandboxed permissions) that can
> >>> communicate with the service. Please don't do this.
> >>>
> >>> I strongly recommend you consider the security risks involved in doing
> >>> this, especially given services usually run as somewhat privileged
> >>> users. Even if the service runs as the same user as the user accessing
> >>> the web app, the attack surface is still significantly larger than the
> >>> attack surface of a browser. If you have to, the service should be
> >>> running as a separate user that is as restricted as it can be.
> >>>
> >>> On 27 August 2013 02:29, Niaz Rana  wrote:
> >>> > Well,
> >>> >  My understanding is that i have to make a web service(WCF) exposed
> as
> >>> > JSON
> >>> > or what ever and running at window service,
> >>> > and at clientside call it via JS or JQuery.
> >>> >
> >>> > but my leader is saying we have to do it at client side.?
> >>> > I dont know what he want to say.
> >>> >
> >>> > may be some otherway likeWebSockets or NodeJS.
> >>> > Please guide for this, thanks in advance.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Jano Petras 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Niaz,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Browser's XmlHttp request has a restriction that it can only invoke
> >>> >> URLs
> >>> >> that are on the same domain as the current URL.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As as long as you serve the page from (for example):
> >>> >>
> >>> >>  http://my.domain.com.au/my-page.aspx
> >>> >>
> >>> >> and then from JS make an Ajax request to anything that is on the
> same
> >>> >> domain (my.domain.com.au) - you should be f

Re: JS to WinService

[Sam Lai]

So you're going to distribute the web app to every client and make
them run an instance of it locally and access it using their browser?
Effectively, you have just converted your web app into a Windows app.
You might as well create a quick WinForms window for it with a
WebBrowser control so they can use it without launching a browser.

On 27 August 2013 17:09, Niaz Rana  wrote:
> Hi & Thanks,
> basically the client is restricted within network to access this web app,
> although its not access able outside of network/province.
> so i was thinking to make a JSON WCF webservice and call from jquery blah
> blah, but we can't host at IIS, restriction from Leader, :( (i don't know
> why frankly).
> but point is there is a dll that will be at client/user machine who is using
> this Web App.
> we have to interface with them from client/user system who is using this Web
> App from Browser.
>
> so thanks for your suggestions, but right now i am working on Self host Web
> API.NET, am i going fine.?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Niaz
>>
>> Maybe your leader and yourself are thinking of the same thing, as maybe
>> he/she is referring to a ajax request as client side? Because when you don't
>> use ajax you're doing full page request which 'could' be thought of as a
>> server request while ajax as a client request?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sam Lai  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to clarify, you have a web application being served up from a
>>> server (machine A) and accessed from a client on machine B, and from
>>> the web app client-side, you want to communicate with a Windows
>>> Service running on machine B.
>>>
>>> If so, this isn't a question about the capabilities of ASP.NET or
>>> NodeJS (or Rails or whatever other web platform), but rather a
>>> question about what's available on the client machine. Typically,
>>> there are four ways of doing this, and all involve some kind of
>>> modification on the client machine (which you can anyway assuming
>>> you're communicating with a custom Windows Service).
>>>
>>> 1. Register a protocol handler on that machine such that when a custom
>>> URL like mycustomwindowsservice://some_data_to_pass_to_the_service is
>>> accessed, your custom windows service is called to handle it. IIRC,
>>> this is how iTunes links work.
>>>
>>> 2. Register a default file extension handler for a custom file
>>> extension and MIME type, and serve up a file from the web app with
>>> that extension/MIME type, which will cause the browser to download and
>>> prompt the user to execute the handler which can communicate with your
>>> custom Windows service. This is how just like what happens when you
>>> download a Word document, except instead of opening the file in Word,
>>> it opens in your custom app which can talk to the service.
>>>
>>> 3. Require the user to install a browser plugin, which can then handle
>>> the communication to the service.
>>>
>>> 4. Add a custom Java applet (with unsandboxed permissions) that can
>>> communicate with the service. Please don't do this.
>>>
>>> I strongly recommend you consider the security risks involved in doing
>>> this, especially given services usually run as somewhat privileged
>>> users. Even if the service runs as the same user as the user accessing
>>> the web app, the attack surface is still significantly larger than the
>>> attack surface of a browser. If you have to, the service should be
>>> running as a separate user that is as restricted as it can be.
>>>
>>> On 27 August 2013 02:29, Niaz Rana  wrote:
>>> > Well,
>>> >  My understanding is that i have to make a web service(WCF) exposed as
>>> > JSON
>>> > or what ever and running at window service,
>>> > and at clientside call it via JS or JQuery.
>>> >
>>> > but my leader is saying we have to do it at client side.?
>>> > I dont know what he want to say.
>>> >
>>> > may be some otherway likeWebSockets or NodeJS.
>>> > Please guide for this, thanks in advance.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Jano Petras 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Niaz,
>>> >>
>>> >> Browser's XmlHttp request has a restriction that it can only invoke
>>> >> URLs
>>> >> that are on the same domain as the current URL.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> As as long as you serve the page from (for example):
>>> >>
>>> >>  http://my.domain.com.au/my-page.aspx
>>> >>
>>> >> and then from JS make an Ajax request to anything that is on the same
>>> >> domain (my.domain.com.au) - you should be fine.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> j.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 26 August 2013 16:15, Niaz Rana  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi All,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Can JS/JQuery call .NET WindowService method(s) at client side(Client
>>> >>> Machine), where the web application running.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Environment is Windows at client &  Server.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -MN
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Muham

Re: JS to WinService

[Niaz Rana]

Hi & Thanks,
basically the client is restricted within network to access this web app,
although its not access able outside of network/province.
so i was thinking to make a JSON WCF webservice and call from jquery blah
blah, but we can't host at IIS, restriction from Leader, :( (i don't know
why frankly).
but point is there is a dll that will be at client/user machine who is
using this Web App.
we have to interface with them from client/user system who is using this
Web App from Browser.

so thanks for your suggestions, but right now i am working on Self host Web
API.NET, am i going fine.?



On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Michael Ridland  wrote:

> Hi Niaz
>
> Maybe your leader and yourself are thinking of the same thing, as maybe
> he/she is referring to a ajax request as client side? Because when you
> don't use ajax you're doing full page request which 'could' be thought of
> as a server request while ajax as a client request?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sam Lai  wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify, you have a web application being served up from a
>> server (machine A) and accessed from a client on machine B, and from
>> the web app client-side, you want to communicate with a Windows
>> Service running on machine B.
>>
>> If so, this isn't a question about the capabilities of ASP.NET or
>> NodeJS (or Rails or whatever other web platform), but rather a
>> question about what's available on the client machine. Typically,
>> there are four ways of doing this, and all involve some kind of
>> modification on the client machine (which you can anyway assuming
>> you're communicating with a custom Windows Service).
>>
>> 1. Register a protocol handler on that machine such that when a custom
>> URL like mycustomwindowsservice://some_data_to_pass_to_the_service is
>> accessed, your custom windows service is called to handle it. IIRC,
>> this is how iTunes links work.
>>
>> 2. Register a default file extension handler for a custom file
>> extension and MIME type, and serve up a file from the web app with
>> that extension/MIME type, which will cause the browser to download and
>> prompt the user to execute the handler which can communicate with your
>> custom Windows service. This is how just like what happens when you
>> download a Word document, except instead of opening the file in Word,
>> it opens in your custom app which can talk to the service.
>>
>> 3. Require the user to install a browser plugin, which can then handle
>> the communication to the service.
>>
>> 4. Add a custom Java applet (with unsandboxed permissions) that can
>> communicate with the service. Please don't do this.
>>
>> I strongly recommend you consider the security risks involved in doing
>> this, especially given services usually run as somewhat privileged
>> users. Even if the service runs as the same user as the user accessing
>> the web app, the attack surface is still significantly larger than the
>> attack surface of a browser. If you have to, the service should be
>> running as a separate user that is as restricted as it can be.
>>
>> On 27 August 2013 02:29, Niaz Rana  wrote:
>> > Well,
>> >  My understanding is that i have to make a web service(WCF) exposed as
>> JSON
>> > or what ever and running at window service,
>> > and at clientside call it via JS or JQuery.
>> >
>> > but my leader is saying we have to do it at client side.?
>> > I dont know what he want to say.
>> >
>> > may be some otherway likeWebSockets or NodeJS.
>> > Please guide for this, thanks in advance.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Jano Petras 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Niaz,
>> >>
>> >> Browser's XmlHttp request has a restriction that it can only invoke
>> URLs
>> >> that are on the same domain as the current URL.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As as long as you serve the page from (for example):
>> >>
>> >>  http://my.domain.com.au/my-page.aspx
>> >>
>> >> and then from JS make an Ajax request to anything that is on the same
>> >> domain (my.domain.com.au) - you should be fine.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> j.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 26 August 2013 16:15, Niaz Rana  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>> Can JS/JQuery call .NET WindowService method(s) at client side(Client
>> >>> Machine), where the web application running.
>> >>>
>> >>> Environment is Windows at client &  Server.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> -MN
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Muhammad Niaz
>> > +966 596 792864
>>
>
>


-- 
Regards,
Muhammad Niaz
+966 596 792864

Silverlight InitParams case

[Greg Keogh]

Folks, I have two Silverlight 5 projects in the same solution using the
same versions of everything. After lunch, one app crashed reading values
out of the  element in the object
tag. I changed the case to InitParams and it started working. An hour or so
later I received another crash and had to change it back to initParams, and
hour later back to upper case. It's like it's internally changing case
requirements randomly. At the moment I have two nearly identical apps each
needing a different case in the param to work. Huh?!

Web searches don't help so far. Has anyone seen this before?

Greg K