Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-02 Thread mike smith
A side note, or a snide note?

The downside of not sharing is not being able to read books in a joint
account.  Well, you can, but you'll have to file the drm off first.  I
advocate doing that not cos I'm looking to rip off authors, but because
I've got a huge library of .lit books I can no longer read.  My total
library of ebooks is well over 5000 now.   Paid ebooks. But I never offered
to buy the drm.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 A side note... Never sharebypur Amazon account with your wife. I
 eventually had to rename my account, change the email address to my wife's
 and make myself a new one. The romance novel recommendations were
 unbearable. Lol

 Sure you can tell it not to use certain books for suggestions but I
 couldn't keep up! There's only so much time in a day and you can buy a lot
 of novels when they are between free and 99c!!
  On 02/12/2013 1:55 pm, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone read 'the circle' yet by David Eggers...seems relevant.

 Amazon suggested it to me ;-)
 On Dec 2, 2013 3:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of
 advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep
 and lasting influence over me. Even since I have been very sensitive to
 propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument
 techniques; and the primary sources of these things are politics and
 advertising. So for me:

 Assert.IsTrue(advertising == propaganda);

 Encrypted advertising?! Now there's a challenging idea. Ignorance is
 strength.

 Greg K




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[OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Anton Felich
Hey guys,

We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a large 
SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -

http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015

Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -

MVC 3.0
Fluent nHibernate
StructureMap
NUnit / Moq
Bootstrap

Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn't get spammed.

Cheers,

Anton



RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Nathan Chere
If you're serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.

It's not hard.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Anton Felich
Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

Hey guys,

We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a large 
SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -

http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015

Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -

MVC 3.0
Fluent nHibernate
StructureMap
NUnit / Moq
Bootstrap

Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn't get spammed.

Cheers,

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RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Anton Felich
Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant's skill set and level of 
experience isn't it.

We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

If you're serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.

It's not hard.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Anton Felich
Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

Hey guys,

We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a large 
SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -

http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015

Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -

MVC 3.0
Fluent nHibernate
StructureMap
NUnit / Moq
Bootstrap

Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn't get spammed.

Cheers,

Anton



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Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread mike smith
So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The likely answer is
yes, but does it mean you're going to hire 2 lesser experienced persons?
 (I'm not being aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

(you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and do armchair
comments, it's the price of a free ad :)


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich anton.fel...@nga.net wrote:

 Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant’s skill set and
 level of experience isn’t it.



 We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 If you’re serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.



 It’s not hard.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Anton Felich
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 Hey guys,



 We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a
 large SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -




 http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015



 Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -



 MVC 3.0

 Fluent nHibernate

 StructureMap

 NUnit / Moq

 Bootstrap



 Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn’t get spammed.



 Cheers,



 Anton





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RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Ken Schaefer
Presumably a more experienced/skilled developer is more productive, and will 
thus produce greater value per day, and hence can be paid more. Vice-versa if 
you’re less experienced, or don’t have the specific skillset mentioned. Seems 
pretty simple to me.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:35 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The likely answer is yes, 
but does it mean you're going to hire 2 lesser experienced persons?  (I'm not 
being aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

(you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and do armchair comments, 
it's the price of a free ad :)

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich 
anton.fel...@nga.netmailto:anton.fel...@nga.net wrote:
Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant’s skill set and level of 
experience isn’t it.

We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.



Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Arjang Assadi
Mike,

I don't think anyone really knows how it really works, everything is
dynamic, 2 people who have the same experience would be wanting more or
less depending on how many kids they have, mortgage etc.
Also 2xless experienced developers could be worst than 1xexperienced
developer, but twice the developers for the same price looks better for the
HR I guess.

HR would come up with their magic numbers eventually, making less sense
than before.

Regards

Arjang



On 3 December 2013 10:34, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The likely answer is
 yes, but does it mean you're going to hire 2 lesser experienced persons?
  (I'm not being aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

 (you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and do armchair
 comments, it's the price of a free ad :)


 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich anton.fel...@nga.netwrote:

 Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant’s skill set and
 level of experience isn’t it.



 We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 If you’re serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.



 It’s not hard.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Anton Felich
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 Hey guys,



 We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a
 large SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -




 http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015



 Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -



 MVC 3.0

 Fluent nHibernate

 StructureMap

 NUnit / Moq

 Bootstrap



 Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn’t get spammed.



 Cheers,



 Anton





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WP8 - File manager/explorer?

2013-12-02 Thread ILT (O)
Is there a file explorer / file manager available for WP8, Nokia Lumia
flavour (820-920-925-etc)? I know that it's easy to connect via their USB
cable to a Windows PC and do it, but I am looking for something that runs on
the device itself. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia



Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Stephen Price
You are assuming of course that everyone are paid exactly what they are
worth. This is part of it but there is also an element of market here. ie
buyer negotiates with seller and if a price agreement is met then a sale
(employment) takes place.
Some people negotiate better (to their financial benefit) than others. If
you are desperate for work then you are more likely to settle for a lower
package than if you didn't need to work. (ie you have a sugar momma)



On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 I don't think anyone really knows how it really works, everything is
 dynamic, 2 people who have the same experience would be wanting more or
 less depending on how many kids they have, mortgage etc.
 Also 2xless experienced developers could be worst than 1xexperienced
 developer, but twice the developers for the same price looks better for the
 HR I guess.

 HR would come up with their magic numbers eventually, making less sense
 than before.

 Regards

 Arjang



 On 3 December 2013 10:34, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The likely answer is
 yes, but does it mean you're going to hire 2 lesser experienced persons?
  (I'm not being aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

 (you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and do armchair
 comments, it's the price of a free ad :)


 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich anton.fel...@nga.netwrote:

 Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant’s skill set and
 level of experience isn’t it.



 We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 If you’re serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.



 It’s not hard.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Anton Felich
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 Hey guys,



 We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a
 large SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -




 http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015



 Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -



 MVC 3.0

 Fluent nHibernate

 StructureMap

 NUnit / Moq

 Bootstrap



 Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn’t get spammed.



 Cheers,



 Anton





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Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread mike smith
Or if you're already employed.  You need to pay a lot more to attract
someone that's happy with their current job.  (to account for the tax
bracket, etc)  But yes, essentially it is bartering, and the first person
to pick a number loses.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 You are assuming of course that everyone are paid exactly what they are
 worth. This is part of it but there is also an element of market here. ie
 buyer negotiates with seller and if a price agreement is met then a sale
 (employment) takes place.
 Some people negotiate better (to their financial benefit) than others. If
 you are desperate for work then you are more likely to settle for a lower
 package than if you didn't need to work. (ie you have a sugar momma)



 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 I don't think anyone really knows how it really works, everything is
 dynamic, 2 people who have the same experience would be wanting more or
 less depending on how many kids they have, mortgage etc.
 Also 2xless experienced developers could be worst than 1xexperienced
 developer, but twice the developers for the same price looks better for the
 HR I guess.

 HR would come up with their magic numbers eventually, making less sense
 than before.

 Regards

 Arjang



 On 3 December 2013 10:34, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The likely answer
 is yes, but does it mean you're going to hire 2 lesser experienced persons?
  (I'm not being aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

 (you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and do armchair
 comments, it's the price of a free ad :)


 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich anton.fel...@nga.netwrote:

 Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant’s skill set and
 level of experience isn’t it.



 We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 If you’re serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.



 It’s not hard.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Anton Felich
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 Hey guys,



 We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a
 large SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -




 http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015



 Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -



 MVC 3.0

 Fluent nHibernate

 StructureMap

 NUnit / Moq

 Bootstrap



 Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn’t get spammed.



 Cheers,



 Anton





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Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Wallace Turner

(sry to the original poster whos thread is now hijacked)

and the first person to pick a number loses.
how does that work? they ask you what you want, you say it and they 
agree to that level. Everyone *can* be happy and no one 'loses'





On 3/12/2013 12:38 PM, mike smith wrote:
Or if you're already employed.  You need to pay a lot more to attract 
someone that's happy with their current job.  (to account for the tax 
bracket, etc)  But yes, essentially it is bartering, and the first 
person to pick a number loses.



On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Stephen Price 
step...@perthprojects.com mailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote:


You are assuming of course that everyone are paid exactly what
they are worth. This is part of it but there is also an element of
market here. ie buyer negotiates with seller and if a price
agreement is met then a sale (employment) takes place.
Some people negotiate better (to their financial benefit) than
others. If you are desperate for work then you are more likely to
settle for a lower package than if you didn't need to work. (ie
you have a sugar momma)



On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Arjang Assadi
arjang.ass...@gmail.com mailto:arjang.ass...@gmail.com wrote:

Mike,
I don't think anyone really knows how it really works,
everything is dynamic, 2 people who have the same experience
would be wanting more or less depending on how many kids they
have, mortgage etc.
Also 2xless experienced developers could be worst than
1xexperienced developer, but twice the developers for the same
price looks better for the HR I guess.
HR would come up with their magic numbers eventually, making
less sense than before.
Regards
Arjang


On 3 December 2013 10:34, mike smith meski...@gmail.com
mailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote:

So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The
likely answer is yes, but does it mean you're going to
hire 2 lesser experienced persons?  (I'm not being
aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

(you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and
do armchair comments, it's the price of a free ad :)


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich
anton.fel...@nga.net mailto:anton.fel...@nga.net wrote:

Well that is going to depend entirely on the
applicant’s skill set and level of experience isn’t it.

We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.

*From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of
*Nathan Chere
*Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

If you’re serious you should try putting the hourly
rate in the ad too.

It’s not hard.

*From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of
*Anton Felich
*Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

Hey guys,

We are looking to take another senior developer on
board to work on a large SaaS application. Link to job
ad is: -


http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015

Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -

MVC 3.0

Fluent nHibernate

StructureMap

NUnit / Moq

Bootstrap

Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn’t
get spammed.

Cheers,

Anton

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Re: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!

2013-12-02 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
I tend to agree. If you have a number in mind just tell them what it is. If
you try and bargain you down just say no thanks and walk.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Wallace Turner wallacetur...@gmail.comwrote:

  (sry to the original poster whos thread is now hijacked)


 and the first person to pick a number loses.
 how does that work? they ask you what you want, you say it and they agree
 to that level. Everyone *can* be happy and no one 'loses'





 On 3/12/2013 12:38 PM, mike smith wrote:

 Or if you're already employed.  You need to pay a lot more to attract
 someone that's happy with their current job.  (to account for the tax
 bracket, etc)  But yes, essentially it is bartering, and the first person
 to pick a number loses.


 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Stephen Price 
 step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 You are assuming of course that everyone are paid exactly what they are
 worth. This is part of it but there is also an element of market here. ie
 buyer negotiates with seller and if a price agreement is met then a sale
 (employment) takes place.
 Some people negotiate better (to their financial benefit) than others. If
 you are desperate for work then you are more likely to settle for a lower
 package than if you didn't need to work. (ie you have a sugar momma)



 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.comwrote:

  Mike,

 I don't think anyone really knows how it really works, everything is
 dynamic, 2 people who have the same experience would be wanting more or
 less depending on how many kids they have, mortgage etc.
 Also 2xless experienced developers could be worst than 1xexperienced
 developer, but twice the developers for the same price looks better for the
 HR I guess.

 HR would come up with their magic numbers eventually, making less sense
 than before.

 Regards

 Arjang



  On 3 December 2013 10:34, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 So if it's 80k they're going to be doing less work?  The likely answer
 is yes, but does it mean you're going to hire 2 lesser experienced persons?
  (I'm not being aggressive here, I just wonder how this really works out)

  (you knew the rest of the group was going to sit back and do armchair
 comments, it's the price of a free ad :)


  On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Anton Felich anton.fel...@nga.netwrote:

   Well that is going to depend entirely on the applicant’s skill set
 and level of experience isn’t it.



 We are happy to pay anywhere from 80k -120k + super.





 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 If you’re serious you should try putting the hourly rate in the ad too.



 It’s not hard.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Anton Felich
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 December 2013 8:21 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] We need a senior developer ASAP!



 Hey guys,



 We are looking to take another senior developer on board to work on a
 large SaaS application. Link to job ad is: -




 http://ngaerecruit.nga.net.au/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.checkJobDetailsNewApplicationreturnToEvent=jobs.listJobsjobid=7126cd6d-60fa-4a2f-bf4a-a28100cbfafbCurATC=EXTCurBID=9f0bb952-50f3-4d91-850d-9db401350b96JobListID=0b92db25-0eb1-4e89-8df2-9bc90126acaajobsListKey=395468f1-d71b-4598-8a49-df77641411b8persistVariables=CurATC,CurBID,JobListID,jobsListKey,JobIDlid=39379610015



 Here is some of the frameworks we are using: -



 MVC 3.0

 Fluent nHibernate

 StructureMap

 NUnit / Moq

 Bootstrap



 Reply direct to me so the rest of the group doesn’t get spammed.



 Cheers,



 Anton





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