Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Stephen Price]

Also, I propose we rename the list into the OzDevLaptop elist, and make
.Net coding questions [OT]. We talk about dev rigs more often than coding.

Is it Friday yet?

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Dave Walker  wrote:

> In Australia not in NZ so didn't see it. Read reviews and it's even
> better. The ability to turn it into a tablet and the screen resolution are
> phenomenal.
> On 26 Nov 2014 20:27, "Tom P"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> Thanks I will check it out. I see there's a Yoga 3 also.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>> On 26 November 2014 at 18:14, Dave Walker  wrote:
>>
>>> Lenovo yoga 2 pro are awesome. Well worth checking out.
>>> On 26 Nov 2014 19:50, "Tom P"  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Stephen

 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list
 a while ago but I forgot all about it.

 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
 go with 15".

 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.

 I'll check out the XPS 15.

 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

 Thanks
 Tom


 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
 wrote:

> Welcome Tom!
> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>
> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the 
> longest
> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where 
> a
> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>
> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
> stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
> laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
> gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want 
> to
> be sociable in the same room).
> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the
> RAM limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands
> down. The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing
> that lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most
> portable, and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on
> battery life by a huge margin.
>
> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what
> you want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had
> a Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed 
> with
> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
> laptop and she loves it.
> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay 
> the
> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>
> HTH
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>
>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it 
>> for
>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>
>

>>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Stephen Price]

Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let you
put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb RAM
and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
targeted ones? (like XPS)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格)  wrote:

>  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
> core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
> memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
> used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
> I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
> with it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>
>
>
> Hi Stephen
>
>
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>
>
>
> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
> go with 15".
>
>
>
> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
> right to me for Windows.
>
>
>
> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>
>
>
> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>  Welcome Tom!
>
> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>
>
>
> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>
>
>
> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
> in the same room).
>
> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
> a huge margin.
>
>
>
> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
> laptop and she loves it.
>
> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>
>
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
>  Hi
>
>
>
> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>
>
>
> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Dave Walker]

That's 33% more than my new 15 inch macbook with 512 ssd. Ouch.
On 26 Nov 2014 21:18, "Stephen Price"  wrote:

> Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let
> you put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb
> RAM and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
> That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
> Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
> targeted ones? (like XPS)
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格)  wrote:
>
>>  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
>> core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
>> memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
>> used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
>> I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
>> with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
>> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
>> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
>> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
>> go with 15".
>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
>> right to me for Windows.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
>> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
>> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Welcome Tom!
>>
>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>
>>
>>
>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
>> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
>> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
>> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
>> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
>> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
>> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
>> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
>> in the same room).
>>
>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
>> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
>> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
>> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
>> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
>> a huge margin.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
>> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
>> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>> laptop and she loves it.
>>
>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
>> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
>> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

RE: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Ian Thomas]

My quick eval of the Lenovo models really attracts me to them.
But I am surprised that Yoga 2 and 3 both have only 8Gb max RAM, and the 3 has 
slower Core M processor and 2 hours less battery life than its predecessor.
Otherwise, both seem to be very nice tablet/PC with Win8.1 touch. Mini HDMI is 
a bonus, 3200x1800 is a nice resolution for 13.3" screen and only 1.19/1.36kg - 
impressive. The newer model has dual-band ac wireless, nicer than wireless n on 
the Yoga 2.
Prices I see are $1800 to $2300 depending on CPU and SSD.
My eyesight needs a 13" screen I reckon, so these Lenovo machines appeal over 
Surface Pro 3 - though more $ for Lenovos.
I seem to have a 4 year turnover, so these attract me now. Surface Pro 3 almost 
does...

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8.1

From: Dave Walker
Sent: ‎26/‎11/‎2014 18:14
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

Lenovo yoga 2 pro are awesome. Well worth checking out.
On 26 Nov 2014 19:50, "Tom P"  wrote:

> Hi Stephen
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>
> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
> go with 15".
>
> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
> right to me for Windows.
>
> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>
> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Welcome Tom!
>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>
>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
>> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
>> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
>> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
>> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>
>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
>> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
>> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
>> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
>> in the same room).
>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
>> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
>> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
>> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
>> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
>> a huge margin.
>>
>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
>> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
>> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>> laptop and she loves it.
>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
>> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
>> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>>
>>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
>>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Tom P]

Stephen and Greg

I couldn't even locate the E7440 on the Australian Dell site, found it on
the US one though. Am I missing something? Dell site is confusing.

Thanks
Tom

On 26 November 2014 at 19:17, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let
> you put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb
> RAM and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
> That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
> Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
> targeted ones? (like XPS)
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格)  wrote:
>
>>  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
>> core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
>> memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
>> used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
>> I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
>> with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
>> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
>> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
>> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
>> go with 15".
>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
>> right to me for Windows.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
>> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
>> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Welcome Tom!
>>
>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>
>>
>>
>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
>> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
>> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
>> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
>> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
>> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
>> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
>> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
>> in the same room).
>>
>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
>> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
>> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
>> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
>> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
>> a huge margin.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
>> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
>> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>> laptop and she loves it.
>>
>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
>> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
>> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[noonie]

Perhaps?

http://www.dell.com/au/business/p/latitude-e7440-ultrabook/pd




On 27 November 2014 at 09:18, Tom P  wrote:

> Stephen and Greg
>
> I couldn't even locate the E7440 on the Australian Dell site, found it on
> the US one though. Am I missing something? Dell site is confusing.
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 19:17, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let
>> you put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb
>> RAM and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
>> That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
>> Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
>> targeted ones? (like XPS)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
>>> core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
>>> memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
>>> used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
>>> I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
>>> with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>>> fax
>>>
>>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Stephen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
>>> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
>>> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
>>> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
>>> go with 15".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
>>> right to me for Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
>>> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
>>> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Welcome Tom!
>>>
>>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
>>> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
>>> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
>>> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
>>> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
>>> stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
>>> laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
>>> gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to
>>> be sociable in the same room).
>>>
>>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
>>> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
>>> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
>>> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
>>> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
>>> a huge margin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
>>> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
>>> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
>>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>>> laptop and she loves it.
>>>
>>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
>>> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
>>> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
>>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Tom P]

Wow that's expensive

Thanks
Tom

On 27 November 2014 at 09:58, noonie  wrote:

> Perhaps?
>
> http://www.dell.com/au/business/p/latitude-e7440-ultrabook/pd
>
>
>
>
> On 27 November 2014 at 09:18, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Stephen and Greg
>>
>> I couldn't even locate the E7440 on the Australian Dell site, found it on
>> the US one though. Am I missing something? Dell site is confusing.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>> On 26 November 2014 at 19:17, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let
>>> you put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb
>>> RAM and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
>>> That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
>>> Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
>>> targeted ones? (like XPS)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
 core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
 memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
 used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
 I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
 with it.



 Regards,



 Greg



 Dr Greg Low



 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676
 4913 fax

 SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob



 Hi Stephen



 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list
 a while ago but I forgot all about it.



 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
 go with 15".



 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.



 I'll check out the XPS 15.



 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?



 Thanks

 Tom





 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
 wrote:

  Welcome Tom!

 (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)



 Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
 qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
 warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
 laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
 happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.



 I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
 stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
 laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
 gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to
 be sociable in the same room).

 The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the
 RAM limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands
 down. The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing
 that lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most
 portable, and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on
 battery life by a huge margin.



 That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what
 you want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had
 a Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
 the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
 laptop and she loves it.

 I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
 surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
 Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)



 HTH



 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:

  Hi



 First time poster here so please take it easy on me.



 I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
 ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
 support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I 

RE: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[低格雷格]

Yep, they didn’t seem to list the i7 E7440’s on the Oz site but the sales guys 
have access to them. We paid under $2k each with 4GB and whatever the lowest 
cost drive was. Then put in 16GB of memory and 1 1TB SSD from Crucial 
(certainly not from Dell).

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2014 6:18 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

Stephen and Greg

I couldn't even locate the E7440 on the Australian Dell site, found it on the 
US one though. Am I missing something? Dell site is confusing.

Thanks
Tom

On 26 November 2014 at 19:17, Stephen Price 
mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let you put 
8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb RAM and 256Gb 
SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer targeted 
ones? (like XPS)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格) 
mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:
We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad core i7’s. 
Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB memory and 1TB SSDs. 
Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get used to the 14” screen 
after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it. I did have to kill off 
screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live with it.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ 
+61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

Hi Stephen

Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a while 
ago but I forgot all about it.

Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my opinion 
and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an external 
monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may go with 15".

I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel right to 
me for Windows.

I'll check out the XPS 15.

Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be plenty for 
me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often do people 
change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

Thanks
Tom


On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
mailto:step...@perthprojects.com>> wrote:
Welcome Tom!
(OMG where did we get a new poster from?)

Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly 
qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest 
warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a 
laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that happens 
its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.

I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff with 
Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop (amazing 
machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a mates place, 
or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable in the same 
room).
The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM limit 
of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down. The other 
two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that lets the Surface 
Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable, and most adaptable 
(laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by a huge margin.

That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you want 
it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a Samsung 
Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with the high DPI 
experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni laptop and she loves 
it.
I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the surface 
pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the Dell would 
have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)

HTH


On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P 
mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi

First time poster here so please take it easy on me.

I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop, ultrabook 
preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and support feedback 
I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for development mainly 
with some minor travel.

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

This is a good option, but a fairly low spec memory and HDD and then
purchase upgrades aftermarket for half the price.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Greg Low (低格雷格)  wrote:

>  Yep, they didn’t seem to list the i7 E7440’s on the Oz site but the
> sales guys have access to them. We paid under $2k each with 4GB and
> whatever the lowest cost drive was. Then put in 16GB of memory and 1 1TB
> SSD from Crucial (certainly not from Dell).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 November 2014 6:18 AM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>
>
>
> Stephen and Greg
>
>
>
> I couldn't even locate the E7440 on the Australian Dell site, found it on
> the US one though. Am I missing something? Dell site is confusing.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 19:17, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>  Spec'd up the Dell E7440 and it seems expensive for the specs. Only let
> you put 8Gb RAM in them too. Did I miss something? $3974 for i7 with 8Gb
> RAM and 256Gb SSD. (and 5yr warranty).
>
> That's almost half as much again as my Surface pro 3 with similar specs.
>
> Or do they just charge more for the business laptops vs the consumer
> targeted ones? (like XPS)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格)  wrote:
>
>  We’ve had a really good run with Dell E7440’s. We get them with quad
> core i7’s. Buy them with small memory and drive, and fit Crucial 16GB
> memory and 1TB SSDs. Been an awesome set of machines. Didn’t think I’d get
> used to the 14” screen after having a 17” but I’m surprisingly ok with it.
> I did have to kill off screen scaling in Win 8.X though, as I couldn’t live
> with it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:51 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>
>
>
> Hi Stephen
>
>
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>
>
>
> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
> go with 15".
>
>
>
> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
> right to me for Windows.
>
>
>
> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>
>
>
> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>  Welcome Tom!
>
> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>
>
>
> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>
>
>
> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
> in the same room).
>
> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
> a huge margin.
>
>
>
> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
> laptop and she loves it.
>
> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>
>
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
>  Hi
>
>
>
> First time poster here so please take it easy 

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[mike smith]

ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4

https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi Stephen
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>
> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
> go with 15".
>
> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
> right to me for Windows.
>
> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>
> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Welcome Tom!
>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>
>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
>> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
>> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
>> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
>> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>
>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
>> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
>> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
>> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
>> in the same room).
>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
>> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
>> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
>> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
>> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
>> a huge margin.
>>
>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
>> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
>> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>> laptop and she loves it.
>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
>> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
>> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>>
>>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
>>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Stephen Price]

I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith  wrote:

> ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4
>
>
> https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
>> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>>
>> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
>> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
>> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
>> go with 15".
>>
>> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
>> right to me for Windows.
>>
>> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>>
>> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
>> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
>> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome Tom!
>>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>>
>>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
>>> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
>>> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
>>> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
>>> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
>>> stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
>>> laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
>>> gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to
>>> be sociable in the same room).
>>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
>>> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
>>> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
>>> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
>>> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
>>> a huge margin.
>>>
>>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
>>> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
>>> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
>>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>>> laptop and she loves it.
>>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
>>> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
>>> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 First time poster here so please take it easy on me.

 I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
 ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
 support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
 development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
 experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?

 Thanks
 Tom

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
> 
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Tom P]

My thoughts exactly! :) I was thinking more about how long it normally
lasts before i7 and 16Gb RAM become too little

Thanks
Tom

On 27 November 2014 at 14:56, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4
>>
>>
>> https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephen
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
>>> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>>>
>>> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
>>> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
>>> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
>>> go with 15".
>>>
>>> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
>>> right to me for Windows.
>>>
>>> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>>>
>>> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
>>> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
>>> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Welcome Tom!
 (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)

 Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
 qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
 warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
 laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
 happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.

 I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
 stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
 laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
 gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to
 be sociable in the same room).
 The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the
 RAM limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands
 down. The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing
 that lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most
 portable, and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on
 battery life by a huge margin.

 That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what
 you want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had
 a Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
 the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
 laptop and she loves it.
 I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
 surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
 Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)

 HTH

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi
>
> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>
> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>> 
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Preet Sangha]

When I was self employed back I got the best laptop I could afford and
carry. I spent 3k NZD on a sandybridge i7 + 16Gb + 2 x 128 Gb Kingston
Hyper X SSDs (as the mobo supported Raid 0) back in Oct 2011. The disks
them selves for 20% of the price.

Frankly it's still a beast (though I recently upgraded the disks). I do
sense that I'm accustomed to the fast load and compile times and I couldn't
go back to HDD. VS 2012/2013 load times are annoyingly about 5-10 secs and
I am finding that a bit slow now (yes I know it's a first world problem).

My advice is to seriously get the best tools you can afford as this is your
living and your sanity.

On 27 November 2014 at 16:59, Tom P  wrote:

> My thoughts exactly! :) I was thinking more about how long it normally
> lasts before i7 and 16Gb RAM become too little
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
> On 27 November 2014 at 14:56, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>>
>>> ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Stephen

 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list
 a while ago but I forgot all about it.

 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
 go with 15".

 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.

 I'll check out the XPS 15.

 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

 Thanks
 Tom


 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
 wrote:

> Welcome Tom!
> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>
> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the 
> longest
> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where 
> a
> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>
> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
> stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
> laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
> gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want 
> to
> be sociable in the same room).
> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the
> RAM limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands
> down. The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing
> that lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most
> portable, and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on
> battery life by a huge margin.
>
> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what
> you want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had
> a Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed 
> with
> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
> laptop and she loves it.
> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay 
> the
> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>
> HTH
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>
>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
>> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
>> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it 
>> for
>> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Meski
>>>
>>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>> 
>>>
>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like g

SSL for ASP.NET MVC

[Tom P]

Noob question here.

How would I go about adding SSL to a MVC site? Is it simply a matter of
turning a switch on in the server somewhere and the admins can do it or do
things need to be done in code? I am reading a whole variety of ways such
as adding attributes, filters, configuration settings, cookie properties,
certificates and so on. Seems complicated. I was under the impression I
could do without it in development and have it simply "turned on" once it
goes live. Is this not the case?


Thanks
Tom

RE: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Paul Glavich]

Highly recommend the Gigabyte P34v2 (I bought mine from Afforable Laptops 
www.affordablelaptops.com.au   )

 

Specs are:

*I7-4700HQ (Up to 3.4Ghz)

*16Gb memory

*256 Gb SSD

*Dedicated Gfx card (Nvidia Geforce GTX 860M with 2 or 4Gb GDDR memory 
– can’t remember) in addition to the Intel 4600 (switches to 4600 in battery 
mode)

*About 1.7Kg

*Battery life is great.

 

Its actually a gaming rig but very thin and light.

 

-Glav

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom P
Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2014 3:00 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

 

My thoughts exactly! :) I was thinking more about how long it normally lasts 
before i7 and 16Gb RAM become too little

 

Thanks

Tom

 

On 27 November 2014 at 14:56, Stephen Price mailto:step...@perthprojects.com> > wrote:

I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)

 

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith mailto:meski...@gmail.com> > wrote:

ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4

 

https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21

 

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Stephen

 

Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a while 
ago but I forgot all about it.

 

Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my opinion 
and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an external 
monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may go with 15".

 

I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel right to 
me for Windows.

 

I'll check out the XPS 15.

 

Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be plenty for 
me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often do people 
change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

 

Thanks

Tom

 

 

On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price mailto:step...@perthprojects.com> > wrote:

Welcome Tom!

(OMG where did we get a new poster from?)

 

Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly 
qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest 
warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a 
laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that happens 
its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it. 

 

I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff with 
Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop (amazing 
machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a mates place, 
or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable in the same 
room). 

The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM limit 
of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down. The other 
two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that lets the Surface 
Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable, and most adaptable 
(laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by a huge margin. 

 

That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you want 
it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a Samsung 
Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with the high DPI 
experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni laptop and she loves 
it. 

I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the surface 
pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the Dell would 
have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)

 

HTH

  

 

 

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P mailto:tompbi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi

 

First time poster here so please take it easy on me.

 

I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop, ultrabook 
preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and support feedback 
I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for development mainly 
with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more experienced developers here 
share their thoughts and recommendations?

 

Thanks

Tom

 

 





 

-- 

Meski


  

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Tom P]

Thanks for the advice Preet.

Thanks
Tom

On 27 November 2014 at 15:55, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> When I was self employed back I got the best laptop I could afford and
> carry. I spent 3k NZD on a sandybridge i7 + 16Gb + 2 x 128 Gb Kingston
> Hyper X SSDs (as the mobo supported Raid 0) back in Oct 2011. The disks
> them selves for 20% of the price.
>
> Frankly it's still a beast (though I recently upgraded the disks). I do
> sense that I'm accustomed to the fast load and compile times and I couldn't
> go back to HDD. VS 2012/2013 load times are annoyingly about 5-10 secs and
> I am finding that a bit slow now (yes I know it's a first world problem).
>
> My advice is to seriously get the best tools you can afford as this is
> your living and your sanity.
>
> On 27 November 2014 at 16:59, Tom P  wrote:
>
>> My thoughts exactly! :) I was thinking more about how long it normally
>> lasts before i7 and 16Gb RAM become too little
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 27 November 2014 at 14:56, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>>>
 ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4


 https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi Stephen
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list
> a while ago but I forgot all about it.
>
> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in
> my opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to
> an external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I
> may go with 15".
>
> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
> right to me for Windows.
>
> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>
> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How 
> often
> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price  > wrote:
>
>> Welcome Tom!
>> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>>
>> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel
>> slightly qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get
>> the longest warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of
>> times where a laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of 
>> warranty.
>> When that happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>>
>> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform
>> stuff with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming
>> laptop (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for
>> gaming at a mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want 
>> to
>> be sociable in the same room).
>> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the
>> RAM limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands
>> down. The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing
>> that lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most
>> portable, and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on
>> battery life by a huge margin.
>>
>> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what
>> you want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I 
>> had
>> a Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed 
>> with
>> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
>> laptop and she loves it.
>> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got
>> the surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I 
>> daresay
>> the Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>>>
>>> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first
>>> laptop, ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty
>>> and support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use 
>>> it
>>> for development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser 
>>> more
>>> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
>>
>


 --
 Meski

  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
 

Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Tom P]

Thanks Glav. Somebody recommended affordablelaptops last week but I
couldn't recall the name. Have you had any experience with their
warranty/service?

Thanks
Tom

On 27 November 2014 at 17:52, Paul Glavich 
wrote:

> Highly recommend the Gigabyte P34v2 (I bought mine from Afforable Laptops
> www.affordablelaptops.com.au )
>
>
>
> Specs are:
>
> ·I7-4700HQ (Up to 3.4Ghz)
>
> ·16Gb memory
>
> ·256 Gb SSD
>
> ·Dedicated Gfx card (Nvidia Geforce GTX 860M with 2 or 4Gb GDDR
> memory – can’t remember) in addition to the Intel 4600 (switches to 4600 in
> battery mode)
>
> ·About 1.7Kg
>
> ·Battery life is great.
>
>
>
> Its actually a gaming rig but very thin and light.
>
>
>
> -Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 November 2014 3:00 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob
>
>
>
> My thoughts exactly! :) I was thinking more about how long it normally
> lasts before i7 and 16Gb RAM become too little
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On 27 November 2014 at 14:56, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> I only appreciate mine for six months. After that I want a new one. ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM, mike smith  wrote:
>
> ATO allows laptops to depreciate over 3 years, desktops 4
>
>
>
>
> https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Income-and-deductions/In-detail/Deductions-for-specific-industries-and-occupations/IT-professionals---claiming-work-related-expenses/?page=21
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen
>
>
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
> while ago but I forgot all about it.
>
>
>
> Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
> opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
> external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13" has me concerned. I may
> go with 15".
>
>
>
> I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
> right to me for Windows.
>
>
>
> I'll check out the XPS 15.
>
>
>
> Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
> plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
> do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> Welcome Tom!
>
> (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)
>
>
>
> Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
> qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
> warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
> laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
> happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.
>
>
>
> I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
> with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
> (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
> mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
> in the same room).
>
> The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
> limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
> The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
> lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
> and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
> a huge margin.
>
>
>
> That said, the real answer is "it depends". You need to look at what you
> want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
> Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
> the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
> laptop and she loves it.
>
> I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
> surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
> Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)
>
>
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> First time poster here so please take it easy on me.
>
>
>
> I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
> ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
> support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
> development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
> experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
> 
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like