RE: File upload component
No problem Greg. On Sep 8, 2015 2:01 PM, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" wrote: > Hi Grant, > > > > I’ve been taking a look at it. It’s quite awesome. Thanks for the hint. > > > > Regards, > > > > Greg > > > > Dr Greg Low > > > > 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 > fax > > SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant Molloy > *Sent:* Monday, 7 September 2015 7:52 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: File upload component > > > > There's a JS library called dropzone. > Allows drag-n-droo, as well as typical click to upload. > > On Sep 6, 2015 10:49 PM, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" wrote: > > Hi folks > > What's the best file upload component for an MVC5 app? > > Regards > > Greg > > Dr Greg Low > SQL Down Under > +61 419201410 > 1300SQLSQL (1300775775) > >
Re: TypeScript summary
Greg,
Interesting comments.
I have to say I started about a week ago learning TypeScript + Aurelia (
http://aurelia.io/) which is an alternative to Angular2 and my experience
it's been very very good.
Yes, I had few bumps here and there as I need to use Typescript 1.5.3 beta
and Aurelia is still in beta as well but I have to say that in less than 2
days of work I build a super crazy & cool UI with with a relative complex
ui, lots of interactions, several model, pages, views and so on.
I hate JS, I dislike it so much and always found it so hard to code in JS
but TS + Aurelia I think they rock together.
Compared to Augular2 Aurelia simply rocks and it's so dead easy to setup.
My 2 cents from a non JS developer.
Regards,
Corneliu.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Paul Glavich
wrote:
> >> JS ecosystem can go to hell.
>
> Lol. It has been there already. J It re-wrote hell in the form of a
> closure.
>
>
>
> Seriously though in answer to react comment below, I too find react’s
> syntax atrocious. Note that there is nothing at all related to react and
> C#/MVC. It is a fast rendering system by way of the shadow dom usage. It
> does have a good composition model but I simply cannot stand its syntax.
> You give up an easy to read syntax for speed and composability. Flux is a
> pattern library that is an augmentation to react that I think is quite good
> but could be used without react as well.
>
>
>
> It is the new black in terms of frameworks to use though so people are
> saying its awesome and everything else is crap, which is kind of the
> polarising community of JS dev. It is only at version 0.13.3 so it is so
> immature I would not entertain it at this time, but many are.
>
>
>
> - Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 12:11 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: TypeScript summary
>
>
>
> I wouldn't mind knowing what is so good about React. I'm not enjoying the
> syntax of React so far. At the moment if I was to build a new substantial
> app it would be using Angular. I feel that you can write some pretty
> substantial applications in Angular. Having had a dabble with React, I
> don't get the same feeling, so I am wondering if the hype is bigger than
> the product itself?
>
>
>
> I know React is more about the V in MVC and Angular covers the entire MVC
> pattern in Javascript, but I am trying to understand - are they still
> essentially trying to solve a similar problem? I can go without using C#
> MVC applications at all (excepting WebApi) with Angular, so is the
> difference that React is meant to be used in conjunction with C# MVC
> solutions?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:57 AM, William Luu wrote:
>
> RE: DOM manipulation.
>
>
>
> Here's a (intro and) comparison between DOM manipulation jQuery and React
>
>
> http://reactfordesigners.com/labs/reactjs-introduction-for-people-who-know-just-enough-jquery-to-get-by/
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2015 at 10:03, Bec C wrote:
>
> +1 for Greg's comments. Coming from a sql background I found it relatively
> easy to jump into c# and .net but my jump to JS wasn't so smooth
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Greg Keogh wrote:
>
> I hope this is my final essay on JavaScript (and so do you!). In summary,
> a few weeks ago I volunteered to write an in-browser script driven demo app
> which is simply a navigation stack of 4 screens. Angular is so currently so
> trendy I spent several hours attempting to learn and use it, but due to
> lack of an IDE, no debugging, no guidance, the custom terse syntax and
> complex dependencies I gave up (then I learn it's being rewritten in
> TypeScript anyway). I've expressed my anger at the 'zoo' of uncoordinated
> and competing JS libraries.
>
> I spent all of yesterday optimistically studying and trying TypeScript, as
> the familiar IDE and structure seemed ideal for someone from a C++/Java/C#
> background. Given my belief that the JS world is really chaotic, my overall
> conclusion is:
>
> *TypeScript is organised chaos.*
>
> I was reminded of moving from C to C++ 20 years ago. C was so freeform you
> could write spaghetti. C++ helped you write object oriented modular
> spaghetti. Just like that, TS is trying to tame the JS spaghetti and make
> it feel OOPish and respectable to people with my background, but it's still
> just putting a wedding gown on a pig.
>
> The good news is though, that once I eventually found guidance on how to
> organise multiple TS source files, how to use module { } like namespaces,
> when to use the , and why you use --out to concat files, then TS
> is probably the least worst option I've seen so far for writing large JS
> apps. At least you will finish up with organised modular chaos.
>
> So you might be able to tame JS with TS, but we are still stuck with the
> cumbersome DOM and jQuery. While trying to give my web page app behaviour I
> had to have jQ
Powershell UI + tabs
Hi, Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have multiple tabs open? Google searches yield random useless results. Thanks, Corneliu.
Re: Powershell UI + tabs
Console2 for all your command line needs. On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 11:20 Corneliu I. Tusnea wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have multiple > tabs open? > > Google searches yield random useless results. > > Thanks, > Corneliu. > >
Re: Powershell UI + tabs
Oh yes, that looks awesome. Thanks!!! On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Stephen Price wrote: > Console2 for all your command line needs. > > On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 11:20 Corneliu I. Tusnea > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have multiple >> tabs open? >> >> Google searches yield random useless results. >> >> Thanks, >> Corneliu. >> >>
Re: TypeScript summary
> > Compared to Augular2 Aurelia simply rocks and it's so dead easy to setup. > My 2 cents from a non JS developer. > OK, Ta! I'll bear this in mind when I return to JS related work next time. I see Aurelia is a split off from Angular, and it's the next-next-next-next-gen JS framework ... I'm sure the next one out will be out by the time I return ;-) *Greg*
Re: TypeScript summary
On 9 September 2015 at 13:18, Corneliu I. Tusnea wrote: > Compared to Augular2 Aurelia simply rocks and it's so dead easy to > setup. Aurelia looks interesting, but a quick scan through "Getting Started" [1] reveals that you need the following to, ah, get started: - node.js for the entire toolchain, - Gulp to build, - jspm or bower for front end package management, - Yeoman for scaffolding, - systemjs for client-side DI, - Babel, CoffeeScript or TypeScript for "compiling" to browser- compatible ES5/JavaScript. I have none of these things installed, yet I can start a new AngularJS project today by simply adding angular.js to my html head. Do you mean something else by "dead easy to setup"? All this sounds exactly like the JS ecosystem hell that Greg K meant. [1] http://aurelia.io/get-started.html -- Thomas Koster
Re: TypeScript summary
Jake Ginnivan gave a talk on React during DDD Melbourne recently, a video
of it was posted recently if anyone is interested in that.
http://tv.ssw.com/6369/why-react-really-is-different-jake-ginnivan-ddd-melbourne-2015
On 26 August 2015 at 12:10, Tony Wright wrote:
> I wouldn't mind knowing what is so good about React. I'm not enjoying the
> syntax of React so far. At the moment if I was to build a new substantial
> app it would be using Angular. I feel that you can write some pretty
> substantial applications in Angular. Having had a dabble with React, I
> don't get the same feeling, so I am wondering if the hype is bigger than
> the product itself?
>
> I know React is more about the V in MVC and Angular covers the entire MVC
> pattern in Javascript, but I am trying to understand - are they still
> essentially trying to solve a similar problem? I can go without using C#
> MVC applications at all (excepting WebApi) with Angular, so is the
> difference that React is meant to be used in conjunction with C# MVC
> solutions?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:57 AM, William Luu wrote:
>
>> RE: DOM manipulation.
>>
>> Here's a (intro and) comparison between DOM manipulation jQuery and React
>>
>> http://reactfordesigners.com/labs/reactjs-introduction-for-people-who-know-just-enough-jquery-to-get-by/
>>
>> On 26 August 2015 at 10:03, Bec C wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for Greg's comments. Coming from a sql background I found it
>>> relatively easy to jump into c# and .net but my jump to JS wasn't so smooth
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Greg Keogh wrote:
>>>
I hope this is my final essay on JavaScript (and so do you!). In
summary, a few weeks ago I volunteered to write an in-browser script driven
demo app which is simply a navigation stack of 4 screens. Angular is so
currently so trendy I spent several hours attempting to learn and use it,
but due to lack of an IDE, no debugging, no guidance, the custom terse
syntax and complex dependencies I gave up (then I learn it's being
rewritten in TypeScript anyway). I've expressed my anger at the 'zoo' of
uncoordinated and competing JS libraries.
I spent all of yesterday optimistically studying and trying TypeScript,
as the familiar IDE and structure seemed ideal for someone from a
C++/Java/C# background. Given my belief that the JS world is really
chaotic, my overall conclusion is:
*TypeScript is organised chaos.*
I was reminded of moving from C to C++ 20 years ago. C was so freeform
you could write spaghetti. C++ helped you write object oriented modular
spaghetti. Just like that, TS is trying to tame the JS spaghetti and make
it feel OOPish and respectable to people with my background, but it's still
just putting a wedding gown on a pig.
The good news is though, that once I eventually found guidance on how
to organise multiple TS source files, how to use module { } like
namespaces, when to use the , and why you use --out to concat
files, then TS is probably the least worst option I've seen so far for
writing large JS apps. At least you will finish up with organised modular
chaos.
So you might be able to tame JS with TS, but we are still stuck with
the cumbersome DOM and jQuery. While trying to give my web page app
behaviour I had to have jQuery reference web pages continuously open so I
could remember the arcane and inconsistent syntax to do the simplest things
like toggling visibility or setting text or class attributes. This isn't
really a JS related problem, but I find manipulating the DOM from JS and
jQuery tedious beyond endurance.
In fact my endurance is exhausted. I will not write the demo and have
commissioned someone else to do it. They write this sort of thing for a
living, so I look forward to learning how they do it. I've learnt a lot in
recent weeks anyway and have decided that for future work like this I will
use TS and jQuery because they're the least worst (for now), and the rest
of the JS ecosystem can go to hell.
*Greg K*
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Powershell UI + tabs
I'm using cmder (http://cmder.net) for Powershell and cmd. On 9 September 2015 at 13:48, Corneliu I. Tusnea wrote: > Oh yes, that looks awesome. Thanks!!! > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Stephen Price > wrote: > >> Console2 for all your command line needs. >> >> On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 at 11:20 Corneliu I. Tusnea >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is there a lightweight powershell UI that has tabs so I can have >>> multiple tabs open? >>> >>> Google searches yield random useless results. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Corneliu. >>> >>> >
Re: TypeScript summary
Thomas,
You can just add aurelia to the head and be done and started just like
Angular(1) albeit your productivity will be slow.
Your issues sound to me like saying I can just open Notepad and start
coding my C# project. Why would I install Visual Studio?
Why would you install Nuget or MSBuild or System.Web.Optimization libraries
to bundle JS files? You installed them all as part of Visual Studio, that's
the only difference.
- node.js is like .Net framework (that comes these days as part of Windows)
- gulp is msbuild
- nuget is npm and bower
- System.Web.Optimization is like jspm + nuget
- Yeoman - I have no idea, I haven't installed or used that
- systemjs is not required, it's a nice to have to make things easier to
load and do the bundling/dependency resolving to avoid you to "just add
another .js file to the head". You can keep doing that and not need
systemjs. Kind of the .Net BundleCollection on steroids.
- Babel - don't know, didn't use it.
- TypeScript - it's an awesome option that compiles down to JS directly
without Babel. You really want to use this unless to avoid writing JS.
Typescript looks and feels like C# instead of JS.
Again, it's optional but heck, I hate JS
You can get prepared startup projects for VisualStudio with none of the
above odd tools:
https://github.com/cmichaelgraham/aurelia-typescript/tree/master/skel-nav-require-vs-ts
Clean, .Net solution with couple of JS files.
Side note> Angular1 requires a massive amount of work to get anything
working and get a project more than a simple demo of the ground. Angular2
has a hard to read syntax. How am I supposed to make the difference between
(click) and [click] and {click} and what each does?
Look, I totally hate JS and I only started to use these tools myself last
week, I also found the confusing at times and all have funny names and
can't figure out why there are configurations for requirejs, amd, system,
systemjs and 4 other loader libraries or what are the differences between
them but heck, after few days of work I got something cool working, and a
great UI that I tried to build before in Angular and I hated myself every
day I had to learn some random new awkward behaviour, directive, service,
provider, filter ...
I found Aurelia to rock in design and simplicity compared to Angular and
found it fast to learn and apply.
Just my 2 cents.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Koster wrote:
> On 9 September 2015 at 13:18, Corneliu I. Tusnea
> wrote:
> > Compared to Augular2 Aurelia simply rocks and it's so dead easy to
> > setup.
>
> Aurelia looks interesting, but a quick scan through "Getting
> Started" [1] reveals that you need the following to, ah, get started:
>
> - node.js for the entire toolchain,
> - Gulp to build,
> - jspm or bower for front end package management,
> - Yeoman for scaffolding,
> - systemjs for client-side DI,
> - Babel, CoffeeScript or TypeScript for "compiling" to browser-
> compatible ES5/JavaScript.
>
> I have none of these things installed, yet I can start a new AngularJS
> project today by simply adding angular.js to my html head.
>
> Do you mean something else by "dead easy to setup"? All this sounds
> exactly like the JS ecosystem hell that Greg K meant.
>
> [1] http://aurelia.io/get-started.html
>
> --
> Thomas Koster
>
