Re: [OT] Clients

[Grant Molloy]

Although this should be a standard clause in an IT contract, unfortunately
it is not in this one, and we're probably too far down the track to start!

Is pretty annoying as they refuse to use electronic meeting facilities too.

Has anyone successfully implemented charging for meetings partway into a
contract (fixed price)?
On Oct 22, 2015 6:39 PM, "Craig van Nieuwkerk"  wrote:

> Tell them you charge for meetings on normal hourly rate even if they are
> cancelled.
>
> Craig
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Grant Molloy  wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
>> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
>> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
>> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
>> have responded to their request.
>> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable
>> for the selected timeslot.
>> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>>
>> Have others had similar issues?
>> How has it been handled?
>>
>
>

Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
meetup?

[OT] Clients

[Grant Molloy]

Hi list,

I'm working on a long running project for a client.
They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
have responded to their request.
Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable for
the selected timeslot.
I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.

Have others had similar issues?
How has it been handled?

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
> meetup?
>

I just looked it up ... a standard ticket is $2,200 for the Gold Coast
event. That's a lot of pinot and tandoori chicken! -- *GK*

Re: [OT] Clients

[Preet Sangha]

I've not done freelance for a long time, but have been doing consultancy.
In my experience unless you have a stakeholder prepared to chase the
parties on their side this is an all too common occurrence. I now try and
schedule meetings with fewer people for less time, but perhaps more often
or regularly (if that's needed if the client is difficult to schedule).

Even if 2 out of the meeting of 4 pulls out, I'd try to continue with the
meeting and tell them that it would be good to catch up with what we can,
and schedule the another smaller meeting with the other individual(s).

Often as a freelancer having meeting was more about reassuring them that
their concerns were being met.

But as people say your contract and your situation is always unique.


regards,
Preet, in Auckland NZ


On 22 October 2015 at 23:16, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> I've been dicked around plenty and it still happens, over and over.
> Depends on your contract as others have said but also on how many times
> they've screwed you around. One cancelled meeting which is what I gather
> from your email isn't the end of the world. Sh!t happens.
>
>
> On Thursday, 22 October 2015, Grant Molloy  wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
>> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
>> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
>> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
>> have responded to their request.
>> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable
>> for the selected timeslot.
>> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>>
>> Have others had similar issues?
>> How has it been handled?
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[David Connors]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price 
wrote:

> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
> meetup?
>

Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.

-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

UI help needed

[Andrew Navakas]

Hi All
We are looking for a contractor for occasional UI work - projects would 
generally be a week or two.

· Ability to interface with end users

· Ability to interface with developers

· Help users to create User Stories

· Extract workflows from hideous old messy interfaces from the 80s/90s, 
that we are occasionally tasked with re-birthing into stunningly beautiful web 
apps.

· No coding skills needed.

· Experience with UI development - functionality, ease of use and 
clarity (not just graphic design)

We are Melbourne based, with office in the CBD.
If anyone is interested or can help, please email me :)

Andrew Navakas
and...@ml.net.au

RE: Mobile device photos

[Mark Hurd]

Just confirmed the browse button allowed me to choose a photo from various 
sources on my Windows Phone 8.1. I can choose to use the camera to take a new 
photo with one more "click", so the capture itself seems to be ignored.

Mark Hurd.

Sent from my Windows Phone.

-Original Message-
From: "ILT" 
Sent: ‎22/‎10/‎2015 1:50 PM
To: "'ozDotNet'" 
Subject: RE: Mobile device photos

Windows Phone 8.1 – anyone tried it (Chrome is n/a on these devices) 
 



Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria
 
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Kirsten Greed
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 2:02 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Mobile device photos
 
The built in browser (Android Browser 4 on mine ) does bring up the camera
 
 
 



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2015 1:42 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Mobile device photos
Chrome is great. My brother works on the chrome team. Are you saying I can't 
trust my own family?
 
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:39 PM, DotNet Dude  wrote:
Don't let Greg hear you mention Chrome :p 


On Thursday, 22 October 2015, Kirsten Greed  wrote:
I think Mercury came with my phone.
Will try installing Chrome
 
 
 
 



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2015 1:32 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Mobile device photos
I was unfamiliar with the Mercury browser too. Not sure what tech it is based 
on, but by the Play store's metrics it has been downloaded between 500,000 and 
1,000,000 times. This sounds like a lot, but then you look at the numbers and 
see that Firefox has been downloaded between 100,000,000 and 500,000,000 times. 
Unless your metric show a compelling reason to do otherwise I wouldn't support 
boutique 3rd party browsers.  
 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ilegendsoft.mercury=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.firefox=en 
 
It would be worth checking to see if the android 'built-in' browser (which is 
not Chrome) supports this, as it is likely much more widely used.
 
Joseph
 
 
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:06 PM, David Burstin  wrote:
Mine worked on my HTC m8 using Chrome. 
 
What and why Mercury browser?
 
On 22 October 2015 at 12:37, Kirsten Greed  wrote:
I went to the url on my android phone with it's Mercury browser but nothing 
happens when I touch Choose File
 
 



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2015 10:24 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Mobile device photos
Basically all it does it bring up the camera where you can take a photo. Then 
when you do a form POST it will be submitted like a normal input[type=file]. It 
even displays a little preview of the photo next to the input. 
 
Open this on your phone https://jsfiddle.net/wkwq6kLz/
 
Craig
 
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:
I have done this before. 
 

 
This will basically work like a standard file upload input but will use the 
camera to select the file.
 
Goog grief! That's like black magic. So you click the button rendered next to 
the  control and what happens?
 
In my case it looks like the initial devices in the field will be iPads. I'll 
read up on the expanded  element and make a test page and try it on the 
weekend.
 
Greg
 
 



 
-- 
 
w: http://jcooney.net 
t: @josephcooney



 
-- 
 
w: http://jcooney.net 
t: @josephcooney

Re: [OT] Clients

[Stuart Kinnear]

There could be any number of reasons for one or more parties not attending
a meeting. If ample notice is given, there should be no reason that the
meeting could not be rescheduled.

If the other members can attend and have sufficient authorisation, why not
proceed without the 3rd member and take minutes and / or recording if
warranted ?

Should there be a last minute cancellation, you are justified in asking for
a reimbursement if there are costs involved. However, you have to work out
a way of clearly communicating that.  If it's a long term relationship, you
might just have to wear it to keep the peace especially if it's a once off.


- Stuart



On 22 October 2015 at 19:28, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
> have responded to their request.
> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable for
> the selected timeslot.
> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>
> Have others had similar issues?
> How has it been handled?
>



-- 
-
Stuart Kinnear
Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
-

Re: [OT] Clients

[DotNet Dude]

I've been dicked around plenty and it still happens, over and over. Depends
on your contract as others have said but also on how many times they've
screwed you around. One cancelled meeting which is what I gather from your
email isn't the end of the world. Sh!t happens.

On Thursday, 22 October 2015, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
> have responded to their request.
> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable for
> the selected timeslot.
> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>
> Have others had similar issues?
> How has it been handled?
>

Re: [OT] Clients

[Stephen Price]

Unless you know exactly what you are delivering and exactly how long it
will take to deliver, fixed price is dumb.
How many people exactly nail their estimates? If you can do that then fixed
price is low risk. But software is normally a journey or discovering the
unknown. How can you do fixed price without horrendously padding the price?

Came up with a saying today.
You've heard the saying "Definition of insanity is doing the same thing
over and over and expecting a different result."

My new saying: Definition of Software development is doing the same thing
over and over and getting a different result.
On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 4:49 PM, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> Although this should be a standard clause in an IT contract, unfortunately
> it is not in this one, and we're probably too far down the track to start!
>
> Is pretty annoying as they refuse to use electronic meeting facilities too.
>
> Has anyone successfully implemented charging for meetings partway into a
> contract (fixed price)?
> On Oct 22, 2015 6:39 PM, "Craig van Nieuwkerk"  wrote:
>
>> Tell them you charge for meetings on normal hourly rate even if they are
>> cancelled.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Grant Molloy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
>>> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
>>> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
>>> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
>>> have responded to their request.
>>> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable
>>> for the selected timeslot.
>>> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>>>
>>> Have others had similar issues?
>>> How has it been handled?
>>>
>>
>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

I do like that they changed the format back to the big single event a
surfers. No one can say the AU DPE team don't listen to feedback!

I'm hoping they amp it up a notch with the new branding, and make it
something different rather than just a new label. I think it's an extra day
of events too, the old TechEd used to be 3 days, not 4.


> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
>>> meetup?
>>>
>>
>> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>>
>> --
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn sub
> given to me
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break

>>>
>>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked for
>>> a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like this
>>> (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this event is,
>>> I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with Richard Branson.
>>> The cost will surely skew the demographics of the audience for such events
>>> -- *GK*
>>>
>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Yeah, Developers (like many people) are tight arses / poor bastards. I
almost didn't go because of the ticket price, but got a Bizspark discount.
Microsoft need a freelancer/sole dev ticket price for the non corporate
people who are paying for it themselves.

It also extends into tools. How many devs I've met who are too tight to
fork out a couple of hundred for their own Resharper license etc. It's the
tools of your trade for fucks sake! If you were a carpenter, you'd have
your own tools. People spend thousands on hardware and then go all tight
arsed on software and demand it to be Free (with a capital F)... /facepalm

So you order yourself a new Surface? I'm hoping I get mine before I head
off to Ignite. Ordered Surface Book, best specs I could get. Shiny!

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors  wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
>> meetup?
>>
>
> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Re: [OT] Clients

[Grant Molloy]

Thanks for comments everyone, all valid and taken on board.
This is my first freelance style engagement, and is a massive learning
curve.

Cheers
Grant
On Oct 23, 2015 10:16 AM, "Stuart Kinnear"  wrote:

> There could be any number of reasons for one or more parties not attending
> a meeting. If ample notice is given, there should be no reason that the
> meeting could not be rescheduled.
>
> If the other members can attend and have sufficient authorisation, why not
> proceed without the 3rd member and take minutes and / or recording if
> warranted ?
>
> Should there be a last minute cancellation, you are justified in asking
> for a reimbursement if there are costs involved. However, you have to work
> out a way of clearly communicating that.  If it's a long term relationship,
> you might just have to wear it to keep the peace especially if it's a once
> off.
>
>
> - Stuart
>
>
>
> On 22 October 2015 at 19:28, Grant Molloy  wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
>> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
>> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
>> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
>> have responded to their request.
>> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable
>> for the selected timeslot.
>> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>>
>> Have others had similar issues?
>> How has it been handled?
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -
> Stuart Kinnear
> Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502
>
> SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
> acn. 81 072 778 262
> PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia
>
> Business software developers.
> SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
>
> -
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Greg Keogh]

>
> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>

I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked for a
big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like this (and
loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this event is, I'm
more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with Richard Branson. The
cost will surely skew the demographics of the audience for such events --
*GK*

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Joseph Cooney]

Google IO is $900-ish, and sold via lottery.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> Seems like the norm.
> The Apple event WWDC costs 1599 USD and includes access to five days of
> sessions, hands-on labs, and special events. I dare say most people who go,
> have a company sending them so it comes out of a training budget.
>
> Its a double (triple?) sting for a sole developer who works for
> themselves... Event ticket, flight, accommodation AND a week off work.
> But... it's tax deductible, fun, educational, social, and you get a whole
> week away from your normal distractions to focus on all things dev.
> I could just stay home and watch training videos for a week, but if I
> stayed home, would I? Definitely not.
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 10:36 DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> I find white collars tighter than blue collars by a long shot. Probably
>> also has something to do with the fact that dev tools can become
>> obsolete pretty quickly.
>>
>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, Developers (like many people) are tight arses / poor bastards. I
>>> almost didn't go because of the ticket price, but got a Bizspark discount.
>>> Microsoft need a freelancer/sole dev ticket price for the non corporate
>>> people who are paying for it themselves.
>>>
>>> It also extends into tools. How many devs I've met who are too tight to
>>> fork out a couple of hundred for their own Resharper license etc. It's the
>>> tools of your trade for fucks sake! If you were a carpenter, you'd have
>>> your own tools. People spend thousands on hardware and then go all tight
>>> arsed on software and demand it to be Free (with a capital F)... /facepalm
>>>
>>> So you order yourself a new Surface? I'm hoping I get mine before I head
>>> off to Ignite. Ordered Surface Book, best specs I could get. Shiny!
>>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price 
 wrote:

> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or
> Indian meetup?
>

 Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.

 --
 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363

>>>


-- 

w: http://jcooney.net
t: @josephcooney

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Tom Rutter]

Now you're just getting silly

On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
> Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  > wrote:
>
>> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn sub
>> given to me
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude > > wrote:
>>
>>> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>>
 Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>

 I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked for
 a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like this
 (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this event is,
 I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with Richard Branson.
 The cost will surely skew the demographics of the audience for such events
 -- *GK*

>>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[mike smith]

Mixed up the quantities


On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> You're right. I crossed the line with the t-shirts. ;)
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:43 Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Now you're just getting silly
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
>>> Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
 If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn
 sub given to me

 On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>>
>>
>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked
>> for a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like
>> this (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this
>> event is, I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with
>> Richard Branson. The cost will surely skew the demographics of the 
>> audience
>> for such events -- *GK*
>>
>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[DotNet Dude]

I find white collars tighter than blue collars by a long shot. Probably
also has something to do with the fact that dev tools can become
obsolete pretty quickly.

Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break

On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Yeah, Developers (like many people) are tight arses / poor bastards. I
> almost didn't go because of the ticket price, but got a Bizspark discount.
> Microsoft need a freelancer/sole dev ticket price for the non corporate
> people who are paying for it themselves.
>
> It also extends into tools. How many devs I've met who are too tight to
> fork out a couple of hundred for their own Resharper license etc. It's the
> tools of your trade for fucks sake! If you were a carpenter, you'd have
> your own tools. People spend thousands on hardware and then go all tight
> arsed on software and demand it to be Free (with a capital F)... /facepalm
>
> So you order yourself a new Surface? I'm hoping I get mine before I head
> off to Ignite. Ordered Surface Book, best specs I could get. Shiny!
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors  > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price > > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or Indian
>>> meetup?
>>>
>>
>> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>>
>> --
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

Seems like the norm.
The Apple event WWDC costs 1599 USD and includes access to five days of
sessions, hands-on labs, and special events. I dare say most people who go,
have a company sending them so it comes out of a training budget.

Its a double (triple?) sting for a sole developer who works for
themselves... Event ticket, flight, accommodation AND a week off work.
But... it's tax deductible, fun, educational, social, and you get a whole
week away from your normal distractions to focus on all things dev.
I could just stay home and watch training videos for a week, but if I
stayed home, would I? Definitely not.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 10:36 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> I find white collars tighter than blue collars by a long shot. Probably
> also has something to do with the fact that dev tools can become
> obsolete pretty quickly.
>
> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Developers (like many people) are tight arses / poor bastards. I
>> almost didn't go because of the ticket price, but got a Bizspark discount.
>> Microsoft need a freelancer/sole dev ticket price for the non corporate
>> people who are paying for it themselves.
>>
>> It also extends into tools. How many devs I've met who are too tight to
>> fork out a couple of hundred for their own Resharper license etc. It's the
>> tools of your trade for fucks sake! If you were a carpenter, you'd have
>> your own tools. People spend thousands on hardware and then go all tight
>> arsed on software and demand it to be Free (with a capital F)... /facepalm
>>
>> So you order yourself a new Surface? I'm hoping I get mine before I head
>> off to Ignite. Ordered Surface Book, best specs I could get. Shiny!
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 07:21 David Connors  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 16:10 Stephen Price 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone on the list going to Ignite and want to do a drinks and/or
 Indian meetup?

>>>
>>> Looks like it is just you and me again for the umpteenth year.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>>
>>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[DotNet Dude]

For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months

On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>
>
> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked for a
> big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like this (and
> loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this event is, I'm
> more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with Richard Branson. The
> cost will surely skew the demographics of the audience for such events --
> *GK*
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[Stephen Price]

You're right. I crossed the line with the t-shirts. ;)

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:43 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Now you're just getting silly
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
>> Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>
>>> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn sub
>>> given to me
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>>>
 For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months

 On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>
>
> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked
> for a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like
> this (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this
> event is, I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with
> Richard Branson. The cost will surely skew the demographics of the 
> audience
> for such events -- *GK*
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[DotNet Dude]

Hahaha the mutual masturbation

On Friday, 23 October 2015, David Burstin  wrote:

> One hooker for the week That's a bit much to ask - the event only goes
> for 4 days.
>
> Plus - with all the mutual masturbation that goes on at these events, is a
> hooker even required???
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 23 October 2015 at 14:46, Stephen Price  > wrote:
>
>> You're right. I crossed the line with the t-shirts. ;)
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:43 Tom Rutter > > wrote:
>>
>>> Now you're just getting silly
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price >> > wrote:
>>>
 Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
 Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.

 On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn
> sub given to me
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break

>>>
>>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked
>>> for a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like
>>> this (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this
>>> event is, I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with
>>> Richard Branson. The cost will surely skew the demographics of the 
>>> audience
>>> for such events -- *GK*
>>>
>>
>

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

[David Burstin]

One hooker for the week That's a bit much to ask - the event only goes
for 4 days.

Plus - with all the mutual masturbation that goes on at these events, is a
hooker even required???





On 23 October 2015 at 14:46, Stephen Price 
wrote:

> You're right. I crossed the line with the t-shirts. ;)
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:43 Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Now you're just getting silly
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
>>> Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
 If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn
 sub given to me

 On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>
> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>>
>>
>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked
>> for a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like
>> this (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this
>> event is, I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with
>> Richard Branson. The cost will surely skew the demographics of the 
>> audience
>> for such events -- *GK*
>>
>

Resume_MRebuffet.pdf

[Davy Jones]

Hi guys,

I asked a few weeks ago if anyone knew of positions going for a .net developer. 
My friend is now in Sydney and has sent me his cv.  

Thanks guys
Sorry for the OT post

Davy


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Re: [OT] Clients

[罗格雷格博士]

+1

Regards

Greg

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On 22 Oct 2015, at 4:39 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
> wrote:

Tell them you charge for meetings on normal hourly rate even if they are 
cancelled.

Craig

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Grant Molloy 
> wrote:

Hi list,

I'm working on a long running project for a client.
They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was provided a 
date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from client would be 
available. I've selected a convenient date and time and have responded to their 
request.
Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable for the 
selected timeslot.
I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.

Have others had similar issues?
How has it been handled?

Re: [OT] Clients

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

Tell them you charge for meetings on normal hourly rate even if they are
cancelled.

Craig

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Grant Molloy  wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm working on a long running project for a client.
> They've been reviewing recent mods and have called a meeting. I was
> provided a date range for said meeting where I was told all 3 reps from
> client would be available. I've selected a convenient date and time and
> have responded to their request.
> Meeting was all booked in and now one of them says they're unavailable for
> the selected timeslot.
> I have a feeling I'm being dicked around and am wondering how to respond.
>
> Have others had similar issues?
> How has it been handled?
>