[OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
Folks, for years I've used free WMware Workstation to run Windows XP, Vista, 8.x and 10, also Ubuntu. I'm currently up to VMWare v12. All of the guest operating systems running smooth and fast, EXCEPT Windows 10, which is so slow it can take 6 minutes just to launch VS2017, and everything is unbearably sluggish. I've compared all the VM settings, web searched and poked around but can't find anything obvious that causing this. Has anyone seen this sort of thing and got any ideas? *GK*
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
Hi Greg, I am running VMWare Workstation on a Windows 7 machine. I have multiple Windows 10 VMs and haven't had any problems. If there is anything you would like me to check on my setup, I will be happy to answer any questions. Cheers David On 17 May 2017 at 10:57, Greg Keogh wrote: > Folks, for years I've used free WMware Workstation to run Windows XP, > Vista, 8.x and 10, also Ubuntu. I'm currently up to VMWare v12. > > All of the guest operating systems running smooth and fast, EXCEPT Windows > 10, which is so slow it can take 6 minutes just to launch VS2017, and > everything is unbearably sluggish. > > I've compared all the VM settings, web searched and poked around but can't > find anything obvious that causing this. Has anyone seen this sort of thing > and got any ideas? > > *GK* >
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
I'm still on vmware 11.1.4 and noticed a substantial slowdown with Win10 immediately after the last windows update. To try and fix I removed heaps of snapshots that I had failed to get rid of and then defragged the win10 installation. I then defragged the drive the host drive. Loading has improved and the performance has noticeably improved. glen
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
In the past I have used VMWare VMs but usually avoided them due to how much slower they run compared to bare metal OS. Until a few years ago that is. Those new M.2 drives came out and I bought two of them, with a PCIExpress card to mount them (and not get SATA bottlenecks). Put the two drives in Raid 0 setup (OS level was fine) and put my whole VM directory onto that SSD. My goodness the performance boost was incredible. My first setup like this got the max reads up to around 2200 Mb/sec (roughly, going by memory here). Compared to the SSD my desktop had it in, it was doing about 280Mb/sec so close to ten times faster. It makes a difference. My current M.2 drives are the Samsung 960 Pros. About to swap out two smaller drives (256Gb each) for two larger ones in my new laptop. (2 x 1Tb) Glen mentioned defragging hard drives so that hints no SSD's being used there. Greg, what kind of drive is your VM on? Move to SSD/M.2 even if you fix the Windows 10 speed issue you have. Even if it costs you. When you use this stuff day in and day out, it's worth spending a bit of money for some sanity (and time!!). cheers Stephen From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of Glen Harvy Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 9:14:39 AM To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10 I'm still on vmware 11.1.4 and noticed a substantial slowdown with Win10 immediately after the last windows update. To try and fix I removed heaps of snapshots that I had failed to get rid of and then defragged the win10 installation. I then defragged the drive the host drive. Loading has improved and the performance has noticeably improved. glen
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
My VMs are on a 1TB metal drive that is a couple of years old. I'll give the defrags a go (they can run in the background while I'm on the Mac) and see what happens. I'm not hopeful, but what-the-heck. Then I'll have another look at the various settings. Replace the metal with SSDs! Hmmm ... they are getting bigger and cheaper, it might sort of bypass my problem, but I'd like to know why only WIN10 is awful ... *GK* On 17 May 2017 at 12:37, Stephen Price wrote: > In the past I have used VMWare VMs but usually avoided them due to how > much slower they run compared to bare metal OS. > > Until a few years ago that is. Those new M.2 drives came out and I bought > two of them, with a PCIExpress card to mount them (and not get SATA > bottlenecks). Put the two drives in Raid 0 setup (OS level was fine) and > put my whole VM directory onto that SSD. > > My goodness the performance boost was incredible. My first setup like this > got the max reads up to around 2200 Mb/sec (roughly, going by memory here). > Compared to the SSD my desktop had it in, it was doing about 280Mb/sec so > close to ten times faster. > > It makes a difference. > > My current M.2 drives are the Samsung 960 Pros. About to swap out two > smaller drives (256Gb each) for two larger ones in my new laptop. (2 x 1Tb) > > > Glen mentioned defragging hard drives so that hints no SSD's being used > there. Greg, what kind of drive is your VM on? Move to SSD/M.2 even if you > fix the Windows 10 speed issue you have. Even if it costs you. When you use > this stuff day in and day out, it's worth spending a bit of money for some > sanity (and time!!). > > cheers > > Stephen > > > -- > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on > behalf of Glen Harvy > *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 May 2017 9:14:39 AM > *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com > *Subject:* Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10 > > I'm still on vmware 11.1.4 and noticed a substantial slowdown with Win10 > immediately after the last windows update. To try and fix I removed heaps > of snapshots that I had failed to get rid of and then defragged the win10 > installation. I then defragged the drive the host drive. Loading has > improved and the performance has noticeably improved. > > glen > >
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
Stephen, Just regarding RAID0, you should check on the actual performance difference with SSDs and RAID. I was going to do the same thing but found some tests that indicated the improvement was only in specific tests. Under normal use, there's no real benefit and it can even be slower. I ended up keeping mine as separate drives and split usage between them. Sorry, I don't have links, you'll have to google it. I found it convincing enough not to set up RAID. David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 17 May 2017 at 12:37, Stephen Price wrote: > Until a few years ago that is. Those new M.2 drives came out and I bought > two of them, with a PCIExpress card to mount them (and not get SATA > bottlenecks). Put the two drives in Raid 0 setup (OS level was fine) and > put my whole VM directory onto that SSD. > > >
RE: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
I guess you need to check whether it’s an OS issue (e.g. check Windows Event Log inside the guest VM), or a VMWare issue (are you running the latest version of VMWare Workstation? Updated the VMTools etc? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 10:58 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10 Folks, for years I've used free WMware Workstation to run Windows XP, Vista, 8.x and 10, also Ubuntu. I'm currently up to VMWare v12. All of the guest operating systems running smooth and fast, EXCEPT Windows 10, which is so slow it can take 6 minutes just to launch VS2017, and everything is unbearably sluggish. I've compared all the VM settings, web searched and poked around but can't find anything obvious that causing this. Has anyone seen this sort of thing and got any ideas? GK
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
Hi I bet you've already checked this, but have you disactivated windows update sharing? It's in advanced options of the windows update dialog under how I receive updates (my windows is in french so that's my guess) Turn all sharing off, it will still pull updates from the host machine, leave the fm on overnight when it's patch day. Davy Sent from my iPhone > On 17 May 2017, at 05:06, Ken Schaefer wrote: > > I guess you need to check whether it’s an OS issue (e.g. check Windows Event > Log inside the guest VM), or a VMWare issue (are you running the latest > version of VMWare Workstation? Updated the VMTools etc? > > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On > Behalf Of Greg Keogh > Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 10:58 AM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10 > > Folks, for years I've used free WMware Workstation to run Windows XP, Vista, > 8.x and 10, also Ubuntu. I'm currently up to VMWare v12. > > All of the guest operating systems running smooth and fast, EXCEPT Windows > 10, which is so slow it can take 6 minutes just to launch VS2017, and > everything is unbearably sluggish. > > I've compared all the VM settings, web searched and poked around but can't > find anything obvious that causing this. Has anyone seen this sort of thing > and got any ideas? > > GK
Re: [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10
Chaps, it took 3 hours to defrag the guest C: drive, then I uninstalled and reinstalled the VMWare tools and drivers, and I turned off the update sharing (as Davy suggested) then rebooted. It seems a bit better, but still too slow to work normally. I'll have to do more investigation -- *Greg* On 17 May 2017 at 16:14, Davy Jones wrote: > Hi > > I bet you've already checked this, but have you disactivated windows > update sharing? > > It's in advanced options of the windows update dialog under how I receive > updates (my windows is in french so that's my guess) > > Turn all sharing off, it will still pull updates from the host machine, > leave the fm on overnight when it's patch day. > > Davy > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 May 2017, at 05:06, Ken Schaefer wrote: > > I guess you need to check whether it’s an OS issue (e.g. check Windows > Event Log inside the guest VM), or a VMWare issue (are you running the > latest version of VMWare Workstation? Updated the VMTools etc? > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ > ozdotnet.com ] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh > *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 May 2017 10:58 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* [OT] WMWare slow Windows 10 > > > > Folks, for years I've used free WMware Workstation to run Windows XP, > Vista, 8.x and 10, also Ubuntu. I'm currently up to VMWare v12. > > > > All of the guest operating systems running smooth and fast, EXCEPT Windows > 10, which is so slow it can take 6 minutes just to launch VS2017, and > everything is unbearably sluggish. > > > > I've compared all the VM settings, web searched and poked around but can't > find anything obvious that causing this. Has anyone seen this sort of thing > and got any ideas? > > > > *GK* > >
