Tilly and Reuben
Hello all, Firstly, I want to thank all those listers who sent their love, prayers and thoughts for our babies and our family. It has helped more than you can imagine. I have printed up your responses for Sally to read at some time. What an amazing time these last few weeks have been. We had a simple but beautiful graveside service for Tilly on Tuesday 11/6. Tasman (4) had a small part to play which included releasing a helium balloon with a message printed on it for Tilly. The funeral really seemed to help him deal with Tilly's death, perhaps providing a sort of closure for him. After the funeral family and friends adjourned to my house for tea and sandwiches. As the last ones were preparing to leave, we had a phone call to say that Reuben was back in NICU with a suspected infection. He went downhill at exactly the time of Tilly's funeral. This, of course, was the most awful news for us. The next morning I had a talk with Tilly and asked her to give Reuben some of her strength. He responded to I/V antibiotics and was doing well again, over his birthweight and tolerating EBM via tube. His I/V was out, after being resited many times - those poor tiny veins! It was lovely to have the opportunity to change his nappy, give him some of his feeds and generally help with his care but, oh, how much I long to hold and comfort him! Unfortunately, late on last Friday evening he started deteriorating again - another suspected infection, so back on the I/V antibiotics. He seems to be stable at present and is still tolerating EBM. I know that, realistically, this is how it is going to be - 2 steps forward, and 1 step backwards, but it is still really hard. I came back from Melb last Monday and have been back at work this last week, but planning to go back to Melb later this week. So please keep Reuben in your thoughts and prayers as well as Sally, Russell and Tasman. Sally became upset today when she saw twins being discharged from hospital and these moments will happen and will have to be dealt with. (I got upset a couple of days ago too, when I saw twins in a pram.) Reuben is now opening his eyes and Sally says that he looks frightened. It's awful to think that this little baby knows little else but bright lights and pain. We are fortunate that Sally has a 2 b/r flat (provided by the hospital) directly across the road from the RWH so we can all come and go as necessary and be close to Reuben. Thanks again for your love and support. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
FW: slogan
RECLAIM YOUR BIRTHDAY NATIONAL MATERNITY ACTION PLAN I think this one rocks!! In peace and joy Sally Westbury -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2002 12:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: slogan I'm PLEASED TO SEE EVERYONE HAVING A GO i LIKE THE WORD RECLAIMING so you creative people come up with something ie NMAPRECLAIMING BIRTH
Re: Dr Karl's mythinformation
Dear All Have you heard the Dimensions series on ABC TV Mon to Thurs 6:30 pm is to be hosted ( and possibly produced by George Negus!!I understand he and Kirstie have birthed their children at home on the North coast with midwives!Any one know which midwife??I see a possible program at least on the CMWA coming up with the right approach !!??Denise - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Dr Karl's mythinformation Looks like everyone is thinking along the same lines. I sent an email to Dr Karl(as he likes to be known) and also to triple J where he"appears" quite often challenging them to do an article/info session on the whole birth industry and indicating how narrow it currently is - of course quoting some well known facts such as theScandanavian countries having a lower maternal and fetal mortality and morbidity rate and csec ratethan we and the US do despite the fact that their careis primarily midwifery driven. The name of the programmer at triple J is Justine - affectionately known a "Queen Justine". Perhaps through triple J and maybe the ABC in general we may be able to get a bit more information out to the public both on NMAP and birth options generally. Triple J is a youth program and it is the young women coming into their childbearing years who are most affected by the current limitations in the system - so maybe promote this option as youth orientated. Just a thought Debby Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Agency midwives and PI
Dear All A few months/weeks ago their were some emailsthatagency midwives had lost their PI then someone reported that SA agency had gotr insurance Can some one tell me which agency that was? Denise Hynd presntly doing agency work in Sydney!
RE: Dr Karl's mythinformation
Any possibility of posting the article from Karl here so that people from other states can see it. Thanks Sally Westbury
Re: slogan for NMAP
I agree there has to be re-educating the women and the public that intervention is not always the best way to go! and that people have to have alittle more faith in themselves and their body. Many thanks and with regards to all Cheryl - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP In a message dated 20/06/02 1:04:36 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear friendsAll these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind you that it’s not about doctors. The doctors have a monopoly of maternity service funding because the system is wrong, not because they themselves have done anything wrong per se.Midwives and doctors need to work together. Understanding professional boundaries is basic to getting a service that is safe and effective for the mothers and babies of our society. One of the reasons we have such high rates of intervention, and surgical births in this country is that our midwifery profession is not autonomous, and is severely restricted. So I don’t have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I won’t support anything that polarizes the two professions.Joy Johnston Hi all,fantastic Joy.couldn't agree more. The NMAP is a plan from Australia's women on what they want in birth reformlets be woman centred here in our approach, ignore the doctors, ignore the midwives and put women and their 'push for birth reform' on the agenda! This is one of Joy's slogans from a way back - I think its simple, effective, and can be used beautifully in the context of the NMAP - as a consumer led, political action for birth reform in this countryThe NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' !!!My two bobs worthYours in birth,Tina PettigrewBirthworksBachelor of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective[EMAIL PROTECTED]" As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.---
Re: slogan for NMAP
Did any of the rest of you get 37 messages from abdyesilkart They had ozmid on them and were all hieroglyphics? Anyway, how does the following slogan grab you Birth~ I did itmy way National Maternity Action Plan~ Birth Choices marilyn ---
Re: slogan for NMAP
Yup Marilyn, I got those emails too but I stopped counting at 20 ;) I love that slogan!!! I think it's great we have so many wonderful ideas. Any news on your apppeal yet? Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP Did any of the rest of you get 37 messages from abdyesilkart They had ozmid on them and were all hieroglyphics? Anyway, how does the following slogan grab you Birth~ I did itmy way National Maternity Action Plan~ Birth Choices marilyn ---
Re: slogan for NMAP
There's been so many posts on this (plus that virus like post 30 times), that I haven't opened every one, but I am concerned about language. Avoiding polarisation of the two professions has been mentioned, but blaming women is not helpful, and can polarise. If finger pointing, you could substitute midwives in this statement below. Midwives and other HPs do not always demonstrate faith in women and birth and that influences how women feel -there's a useful quote at the bottom of Tina's post I've left. General statements about re-education, or trust, or whatever, are all-embracing ... without saying women, midwives, doctors, the community.. we are all in this together. Barbara wrote: I agree there has to be re-educating the women and the public that intervention is not always the best way to go! and that people have to have a little more faith in themselves and their body. Many thanks and with regards to all As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth Harriette Hartigan. --- http://www.sold.com.au - SOLD.com.au - Find yourself a bargain! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Dr Karl's mythinformation
Title: Re: Dr Karl's mythinformation Denise, good on you for putting together a letter so promptly. Do you have an electronic version of the article to hand? I'd enjoy reading it all the better to appreciate your wonderful reply. Barb. From: S.J.F.ELECTRICAL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:31:23 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: NSW Midwives Association Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dr Karl's mythinformation Dr Karl S Kruskeinicki Good Weekend Sydney Morning Herald Magazine Dear Dr Karl I am disappointed at the bias and mythinformation of this latest Myythconceptions! I suspect that the source of the information and approach in this weekend's article could be the great mythconception in our society's birthing practices, that the medical approach to birth is the best, the safest and only one informed people should take! To even suggest that medical induction and or augmentation of birth is surer and less complicated for a woman, or her baby than any of the natural endeavours women have and may continue to employ is not only dangerously misinformed it is patronising and dismissive! It is also poor science to dismiss an approach on the basis of an anecdote and another on unreferrenced, uncritiqued survey by member of a group which is not noted for its objectivity or experience of the subject (the folk beliefs about labour) as you have done in your article! Please at least refer to the findings and outcomes of 1) More than 2 decades of reviews into our maternity services and birthing outcomes. 2) International Cochrane Database 3) The World Health Organisation All of which show that midwives are the safest most appropriate carers of normal healthy pregnant women. Midwives do not have the reductionist, mechanistic approach to child bearing which is implicit in the source and content of your article! It is beyond me to share the vast and complex knowledge base of a holistic midwifery approach to childbirth which knows that there can be place for the folk lore subjects which you have dismissed, in one letter or an article! \ For midwives the place for any treatment in childbirth is up to a woman, once she has been given a range of unbiased information on which to base her choice as to what best meets the needs of herself and her baby! Meanwhile you could begin to inform yourself of the complex state of birthing by perusing the above sources and reading the National Maternity Action Plan of informed maternity consumers and midwives of Australia (see www.communtymidwifery.iinet.net.au http://www.communtymidwifery.iinet.net.au ) Yours sincerely Denise Hynd RN, RM, BApSc, IBCLC. Midwife
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