RE: slogan
I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society, ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would never have heard the quote, or even of Marx. They also may associate us with communists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may. I like it though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: slogan I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading some work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it just hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would share it with all of you. Take Care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
FW: slogan
On Behalf Of Carroll Elizabeth Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:49 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: re: slogan How about something like: Getting it right from the start? I like that... but I'm trying to steer away from right or wrong. Or making any kind of implied promises... -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Hospital trials birth monitor:Courier Mail news report (QLD)
Just out of interest. My midwife told me about this study. It is part of a world wide trial that has been going on for some time. We were talking about fetal distress at the time as I had indicated that if there were suss intermittent readings then I was not happy just to accept normal CTG and had indicated that I would want ph testing to confirm oxygenation before I agreed to go to any more drastic actions for fetal distress. She indicated that this study involved placing the oxygen monitors onto the baby's scalp in a similar fashion to the fetal scalp monitor but without breaking the babys skin and then if the resulting oxygenation readings were reassuring they would take conservative management of the situation rather than intervene immediately just because of late decels etc. She did indicate it was entirely voluntary and was not even offered to women unless there was already a suspicion of fetal distress. I am not a midwife but it sounded logical to me - mostly because my first was a csec for fetal distress (late decels) with no confirmatory fetal scalp monitoring or ph blood testing and when they delivered him (1hr 45mins later) he came out as pink as can be with APGARS of 9 and 10. DebbyJoin the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Controlled crying
Dear Pinky and Group... How do you think Pinky's point of view was portrayed on ACA tonight?? I thought it was fairly good although (as always) it did tend towards the thought that Pinky is 'alternative' going against the 'experts' but I loved the answer that the parents are the experts :) Well done Pinky!! Jo - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: insurance Dear Joy, This is so sad for you and parents, but perhaps it will demonstrate to people how desperate the situation is to have wise women put in this position. Best wishes, Pinky
Fw: RE: slogan
---Original Message--- From: Rhonda Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 19:28:48 To: Macha McDonald Subject: RE: slogan Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was this.. "I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and age." After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all? Just something to think about! Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: Macha McDonald Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:18:44 To: ozmidwifery Subject: RE: slogan I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society,ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would neverhave heard the quote, or even of Marx. They also may associate us withcommunists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may. I like itthough.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia GarretySent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: sloganI realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for aslogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading somework by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it justhit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forcedlabour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I wouldshare it with all of you.Take CareAlphiaAlphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD. CandidateSchool of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown Campus, University of Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South Penrith Distribution CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02 97726628Fax: 02 97726584--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
pinky
Go Pinky I thought that was really good!!! I think it really discredited controlled crying anyway. Keep up the good work, and I'll be sure to find your book next week. Regards, Macha. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
communism
I think maybe you're confusing communism
with fascism. A communist, or communism is a social system where people
share goods and services. A fascist, or fascism is a one party system of
government where there are distinct classes and individuals are inferior to the
state and control is maintained by military force and rigid censorship - quite
the opposite of communism. When I think of the way I've been treated by
some Obs ("I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a minion"),
and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of birth, I think of
fascism. Not to undermine your German patients experience, because many
communist societies have failed, but I feel obliged to explode the myths about
communism. Thats my lesson for the day, and I dont even know how we got to
that, but anyway!!! Have a good weekend!
Macha.
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---Original
Message---
From: Rhonda
Date: Friday, June
28, 2002 19:28:48
To: Macha McDonald
Subject: RE:
slogan
Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated
during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction
was this..
"I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would
have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that
sort of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and
age."
After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than
anyone else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
Just something to think about!
Rhonda
---Original
Message---
From: Macha McDonald
Date: Friday, June
28, 2002 17:18:44
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: RE:
slogan
I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our
capitalist society,ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about
Marx, and most would neverhave heard the quote, or even of Marx.
They also may associate us withcommunists, which I dont think is a
bad thing, but others may. I like itthough.-Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Alphia GarretySent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
sloganI realize that the way this is worded would not be
catchy enough for aslogan- by the way all of the ideas are
fantastic. But I was reading somework by Karl Marx yesterday and
there was this quote"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable
misery than forced labour"Actually it is by Friedrich Engels-
Marx's partner in crime. But it justhit me that Women know no more
degrading or unbearable misery than forcedlabour. I dont know if it
could work at all- but I just thought I wouldshare it with all of
you.Take CareAlphiaAlphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD.
CandidateSchool of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown
Campus, University of Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South
Penrith Distribution CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02
97726628Fax: 02 97726584--This mailing list is sponsored
by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au
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Re: slogan
Alphia I love it but I'm a lefto pinky lunatic!!! I agree it is not catchy enough for NMAP but I have filed it in case I ever get the book I started written!! (1 month before the insurance crisis hit!!). I always remember Sue Cookson's posting on the origin of the word radical (from the roots) call me radical anyday! Justine Caines I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading some work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it just hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would share it with all of you. Take Care Alphia Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
