Re: communism

[Alphia Possamai]

Hi everyone,
I have just skimmed through all of your respnses- I am on my way to my
daughter's soccer game- It seems my life revolves around my children's
sporting endeavors of late.  Anyway, after I posted my quote by
Engels- I was worried that some of you would misinterpret me.  When
I speak of forced labour I speak of the loss of control experienced by so
many women when they walk into a hospital environment for the birth of
their child- I especially experienced this with the birth of my daughter
11 years ago.  
I have never been an adamant follower of Marx- but I must admit his work
is very enticing- but not realistic in today's consumer society.  If
I follow his theory of socialism I become despondent when I see what is
happening in the world today.  I dont know if any of you saw the
program on ABC on Tuesday- but it dealt with Transnational Corporations
and their abuse of developing countries- it was heartbreaking- I just
dont see Marx's theory coming to its full fruition.  Anyway enough
of that, off I go to soccer.  
I think for a book, rather than a slogan, this quote is
valuable.
Take Care
Alphia



At 08:18 PM 28/06/2002 +1000, Macha McDonald wrote:
I think maybe you're confusing
communism with fascism.  A communist, or communism is a social
system where people share goods and services.  A fascist, or fascism
is a one party system of government where there are distinct classes and
individuals are inferior to the state and control is maintained by
military force and rigid censorship - quite the opposite of
communism.  When I think of the way I've been treated by some Obs
("I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a
minion"), and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of
birth, I think of fascism.  Not to undermine your German patients
experience, because many communist societies have failed, but I feel
obliged to explode the myths about communism.  Thats my lesson for
the day, and I dont even know how we got to that, but anyway!!! 
Have a good weekend!
Macha.

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Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 7:29 PM
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---Original Message---
 
From: Rhonda
Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 19:28:48
To: Macha
McDonald
Subject: RE: slogan
 
Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated
during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was
this..
"I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you
would have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort of
treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and age." 
After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone
else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
 
Just something to think about!
 
Rhonda
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Macha
McDonald
Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:18:44
To:
ozmidwifery
Subject: RE: slogan
 
I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society,
ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would never
have heard the quote, or even of Marx. They also may associate us with
communists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may. I like it
though.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: slogan


I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a
slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading some
work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote

"Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"

Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it just
hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced
labour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would
share it with all of you.

Take Care
Alphia
Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Sociology and Justice Studies
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia

Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

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Re: Formula CEO

[Jayne]

My kids call cod liver oil 'fish guts'.  If my 
son  ever feels unwell or has a cold he asks for some 'fish guts'!  On 
the other hand, if my daughter has a cold she tells me "I'm not taking that fish 
guts"!
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky 
  McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:28 
AM
  Subject: Formula CEO 
  
  Fish guts!! I cant stop laughing. You were 
  probably the highlight of this mans retirement party - if he was as pissed as 
  you were, he might even think you were a comedian hired especially for the 
  event -who knows, he may have experienced some subliminal learning. I loved 
  the comment about him looking so young for his age because he was 
  breastfed!!
   
  I believe it was serendipity that you were there 
  at all!!
   
  Thanks Macha for a good laugh,
  Pinky
   
   

Formula CEO

[Pinky McKay]

Fish guts!! I cant stop laughing. You were probably 
the highlight of this mans retirement party - if he was as pissed as you were, 
he might even think you were a comedian hired especially for the event -who 
knows, he may have experienced some subliminal learning. I loved the comment 
about him looking so young for his age because he was breastfed!!
 
I believe it was serendipity that you were there at 
all!!
 
Thanks Macha for a good laugh,
Pinky
 
 

formula CEO

[Macha McDonald]

I just remembered something else about my run in with the formula creep.  I
brought up the subject of DHA, saying that they don't even know if it has
any advantages, and indeed, it could be harmful and questioned the sources
of DHA (slaughterhouse by products, fungus and fish guts etc).  I told him
that his company, and others like his were using our babies as guinea pigs
for them to experiment on.  He babbled on about this and that (million $
words I did not understand - he was trying to confuse me) and claimed that
the DHA added to formula, because such and such is added to so and so is in
fact more advantageous (in what way he meant, I was too drunk to askwish
I could have done this sober...but then I wouldn't have had the guts!) than
the long chain fatty acids in breastmilkto which I could only scoff.  He
also said "Our DHA is from fish oil"...to which I replied "is essentially
fish guts".  Im still trying to come to terms that I actually picked a fight
with this man at his retirement party.  I bet you he really dislikes
breastfeeding advocates now!!!LOL.
Regards, Macha.

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Re: slogan for NMAP

[Leisa Smith]

My favourite
 
Reclaim your Birthday with NMAP
 
Leisa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally 

  To: 'Macha McDonald' ; 'ozmidwifery' 
  Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:08 PM
  Subject: RE: slogan for NMAP
  
  
  Sally’s 
  shortlist.
   
  (Remember 
  what we are aiming to do is make a postcard.. with a strong visual image as 
  well. So that people will turn the postcard over in order to read some 
  information about NMAP)
   
  Reclaim 
  your birthday with NMAP
   
  Birth – I 
  did it Myself
   
  Birth – I 
  did it with NMAP
   
  Babies 
  are born – Pizzas are delivered.
   
  NMAP for 
  real Birthday choices.
   
  Push for 
  Birth Reform NMAP.
   
  Push for 
  Birth with NMAP
   
  Look 
  who’s Labouring for a Better Future - NMAP
   
  Advance 
  Australia -  Fair Birthing Options – 
  NMAP
   
  Giving 
  Birth to a Bright Future – NMAP
   
   
  So what 
  do you folks think..
   
  In peace 
  and joy
  Sally 
  Westbury

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Re: Fw: NMAPSlogan final feedback

[jennifairy]

denise thank you for working to put these all 2gether in one place. These are 
my faves, in order of number


( 1 )  Best birthdays need 'best practice' ... support the NMAP - directed at
health professionals


( 2 )  'Push for Birth Reform' - Support National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP)


( 3 )  For Many Happy Birthdays, Support the National Maternity Action Plan


( 4 ) Your National Maternity Action Plan - pushing for birth reform.


( 5 ) Look who's labouring for a better future
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