RE: [ozmidwifery] Bulletin article
Dear Barbara, Thanks for this fabulous website Jackie Doolan -Original Message-From: Greg Barbara Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bulletin article Hi, When I was sitting at a McDonalds the other day there was the Aug 13 edition of the Bulletin. It had an article on Maggie Lecky-Thompson. Is this true that she was attending a birth as claimed? check out www.bulletin.ninemsn.com.au for the article. Cheers Barb
Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr. John Stephenson
Hi, Alphia, Please say hello to Dr. John Stephenson for me! Aviva - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr. John Stephenson Thank you Sue for placing me in contact with Dr Stephenson.
[ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth?
I'm in denial. Surely we can't have gone so far backwards in the past few years?! Don't let me start on the politics of it all, or on politics at all. Unbelievable. I thought when I made a temporary exit from the birthing scene, that when I returned natural birthing practises would be the norm. I'm deeply disturbed to read what's been going on. At the dance studio where I work out, (in Adelaide) I mentioned today that I wanted to return to giving Active Birth classes. "Insurance" was the cry. Oh blimey, here we go. Any ideas? Aviva
Re: [ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth?
Hi Aviva! I'm in Adelaide too and are about to start CBE classes in November. I can give you the run down on whats happening in Adelaide class wise etc if you'd like to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd be interested to know your thoughts :) Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth? I'm in denial. Surely we can't have gone so far backwards in the past few years?! Don't let me start on the politics of it all, or on politics at all. Unbelievable. I thought when I made a temporary exit from the birthing scene, that when I returned natural birthing practises would be the norm. I'm deeply disturbed to read what's been going on. At the dance studio where I work out, (in Adelaide) I mentioned today that I wanted to return to giving Active Birth classes. "Insurance" was the cry. Oh blimey, here we go. Any ideas? Aviva
[ozmidwifery] Debbie Re:Do I need insurance
Hi Debbie! Would you mind sharing with me your disclaimer for your classes? Might be handy to have! You can email me direct if you'd like at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Hugs, Larissa In the meantime, our booking forms contain disclaimers as a safe guard. My main concern is that, even if we are confident that our information is true, evidence-based etc., that still doesn't stop someone deciding to sue us, if they felt aggrieved. Even if such an action were to be unsuccessful, there would still be awful costs involved. Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
[ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance
Thanks for your input Julie - I tend to have your view on insurance that it's not really necessary. I am pretty much already in the practise of never giving advice anyway for my Doula work - just presenting the options. I guess you just have to weigh up your options - and there aren't a lot of them at present. Thanks again - it's reassuring to know I'm on the right track. If I go to Sydney next February I'll have to come and meet you in person! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance Hi Claudia and Larissa There are a couple of different types of insurance. Public liability is to cover class participants as they attend the sessions and have an accident fall over and the like it will cover their medical expenses. Yes this one is considered a necessity for anyone running a business. However, being a mum I find I automatically walk around invisibly picking up things off the floor left where someone might fall over it. Constantly gently checking that everyones ok not at risk of injury. Over 14 years have never had an incident. Another insurance is to cover theft, fire etc and / or loss involving teaching aids on your premises. This may be covered in your normal household insurance if you run a business from home. Thats another one I have. Professional indemnity is another insurance available if you give advice. I have looked at everything I say and do all the handouts I give etc. and I believe they are all evidenced based and safety focused. As an educator I dont feel at risk of being sued over the information (not advice) that I provide. So I dont have prof indemnity ins. Interestingly though when I rang around a few brokers a couple of years ago to enquire about pro find ins there were two questions they asked me before they rejected my application. 1. Does your teaching ever have anything to do with homebirth ? and 2. Does your teaching ever have anything to do with waterbirth ? After answering yes to both they told me they didnt expect any insurance company to take it on and if anyone did it would be very expensive. So I didnt worry about it. I dont need it. I dont give advice. Im very mindful to stick with evidenced based and an attitude of safety. I believe this is Andrea Robertsons attitude too. Though someone with a different opinion is Carol Flanagan Ex Childbirth Ed and now working full time as a Solicitor had Maggie as her midwife very happily and did a wonderful task of supporting Maggie through her crisis a couple of years ago. Carol looks at the professional indemnity insurance as a necessity in the case where someone who is very unreasonable decides to attempt to sue an educator, then the educator needs the insurance cover to pay for their defense. Otherwise it could cost the educator their family home to defend themselves. I think its worthwhile to listen to everyones opinion and then think it through for yourself. Self-reflect on what you say and how you say it in class, over the phone and in writing. Check the integrity. Hope the above information helps. hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0410 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth?
Aviva, As a Mum who has actively sought an Active Birth it can be a fight - depending on what your description of active birth is. There was certainly no problem with me moving around in labour, assuming any position I wanted or using the shower. But among the OBs I spoke to there was certainly the perception that delivery should be on the bed, on my back. I fought this and have got into the Birth Centre where I will be delivered by a lovely midwife in whatever position I want. I am sure if the Mum is in a position other than on her back on her bed she can tell the OB (or whoever) to get stuffed if they insist she get back onto the bed, but knowing how open I was to suggestion during my first two labours most women probably wouldn't even argue. Therefore really the best course is to have it in her birth plan and for the woman to make sure her birth team support her in maintaining whatever position she is happy to birth in - easier said than done at time. The insurance argument is ridiculous, if the birth is that difficult then the mother is going to be compliant to moving to a position where instrumentation can be used to assist, but I have never heard of anyone sueing because their baby was born with Mum on all fours instead of flat on her back. Deb From: "Aviva Sheb'a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:55:35 +0930 I'm in denial. Surely we can't have gone so far backwards in the past few years?! Don't let me start on the politics of it all, or on politics at all. Unbelievable. I thought when I made a temporary exit from the birthing scene, that when I returned natural birthing practises would be the norm. I'm deeply disturbed to read what's been going on. At the dance studio where I work out, (in Adelaide) I mentioned today that I wanted to return to giving Active Birth classes. "Insurance" was the cry. Oh blimey, here we go. Any ideas? Aviva Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] i'm a little confused
Expressing antenatally? Could someone please enlighten me to this practise? It sounds like an eminently sensible idea but i'm intrigued How much would you expect a woman to produce antenatally , when would you commence it and how often would you do it? is antenatal colustrum the same constitution as post-natal colustrum? Does pumping/ expressing antenatally actually increase your supply antenatally? questions, questions, questions Robin. - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] too hard to breastfeed That would be really great, Linda. What hospital is that? I am in Melbourne. Thanks! Jo Dear Jo, the Lactation Consultant at our public hospital has diabetic women expressing ante-natally to avoid the use of formula.I could find out more if anyone wants the info. Linda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr. John Stephenson
Aviva, I will pass on your regards- Just on the side- I really like your name. At 06:23 PM 27/08/02 +0930, you wrote: Hi, Alphia, Please say hello to Dr. John Stephenson for me! Aviva - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr. John Stephenson Thank you Sue for placing me in contact with Dr Stephenson. Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Sociology and Justice Studies Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584
Re: [ozmidwifery] ACMI National Education Forum
Will there be a session about the National maternity Action Plan?? Denise hynd - Original Message - From: Clinical Learning Coordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ACMI National Education Forum Hi Everyone Just a brief reminder re the ACMI National Education Forum to be held in Adelaide on September 27. The program looks excellent and is not just for midwifery educators and lecturers. There is a session from consumers on the language we use, sessions on mentorship and the AMAP results will be presented. The afternoon promises something for everyone with sessions relating to midwifery students, midwives in their first year of practice and midwives pushing the boundaries in new models and challenging practice. Let's also not forget the ACMI AGM and cocktail party to follow! Early-bird rate closes this Friday so get your registration in ASAP. Go to the ACMI National website at http://www.acmi.org.au www.acmi.org.au to register on-line. Looking forward to seeing as many of you there as possible. Adelaide in September is beautiful and the wineries aren't far away. Cheers Bec Smith Education Coordinator ACMISA Clinical Learning Coordinators Trevor Cresp(pager 4287) Michelle Unetta Green (pager 4428) Andrea McLay (pager 4304) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] vbac fdiu
Closure and thanks Well the body got the idea and the womansurrended and after spon onset of labour 3 hrs later a 3.3 kg humble baby boy was born ,still and loved by all . As tears roll out the family delivered their baby under water no problems.natural 3rd stageno perineal trama. The woman feels empowered and appears to be well into the process of that grieving journey . Thankyou for all your advice from the family amd midwife .
RE: [ozmidwifery] vbac fdiu
I have said it before, but I will again. There is an amazing sharing that does happen on this list. Sharing of knowledge and experience that I feel enriched by. Peace to you Jan and to the family who you were able to be present for and for the still beautifully born baby boy. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] good publicity!
The Rove guest was Tracy Bartrum (sp?) she is the radio jock in Melbourne I think. As she did say all this on national television she has good as given us an invitation to write to her and plead with her to be promoting NMAP!! Is she the radio jock that we were all chatting abut recently? Great to hearwould have loved to have seen Rovies face when this was discussed Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] good publicity! Hello list! I just wanted to comment on two separate tv inncidents I have seen in the past 24hrs that I thought were wonderful! On Rove[live] last night the first guest, a female comic [who's name I forget!] wastelling Rove about one of her births, how it was a homewater birth in a pool provided by her midwife,[thats right listeners - the word midwife was used on prime time tv!!] how she was walking naked abouther backyard holding on to the clothes lines and groaning for all to see!! Rove's face was priceless! He asked if she had to get into the pool justbefore the baby was to be born [I think he was a little boggled by the logistics of the whole thing!!] And she replied no, that she got in when she felt liked it and stayed there!! How wonderful!! Then this morning on ye old Bert Newton, they had Frankie J Holden on and his wife Kate has just had a beautiful baby girl, Georgia. Bert was talking to Frankie and they cut to Kate and the bub who where in the throws of breast feeding! Fancy that, on national television!! I hope you are all well. Take care. Love Jessica.
