RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance
Youd be very welcome Larissa J Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0410 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larissa Tim Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 10:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance Thanks for your input Julie - I tend to have your view on insurance that it's not really necessary. I am pretty much already in the practise of never giving advice anyway for my Doula work - just presenting the options. I guess you just have to weigh up your options - and there aren't a lot of them at present. Thanks again - it's reassuring to know I'm on the right track. If I go to Sydney next February I'll have to come and meet you in person! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance Hi Claudia and Larissa There are a couple of different types of insurance. Public liability is to cover class participants as they attend the sessions and have an accident fall over and the like it will cover their medical expenses. Yes this one is considered a necessity for anyone running a business. However, being a mum I find I automatically walk around invisibly picking up things off the floor left where someone might fall over it. Constantly gently checking that everyones ok not at risk of injury. Over 14 years have never had an incident. Another insurance is to cover theft, fire etc and / or loss involving teaching aids on your premises. This may be covered in your normal household insurance if you run a business from home. Thats another one I have. Professional indemnity is another insurance available if you give advice. I have looked at everything I say and do all the handouts I give etc. and I believe they are all evidenced based and safety focused. As an educator I dont feel at risk of being sued over the information (not advice) that I provide. So I dont have prof indemnity ins. Interestingly though when I rang around a few brokers a couple of years ago to enquire about pro find ins there were two questions they asked me before they rejected my application. 1. Does your teaching ever have anything to do with homebirth ? and 2. Does your teaching ever have anything to do with waterbirth ? After answering yes to both they told me they didnt expect any insurance company to take it on and if anyone did it would be very expensive. So I didnt worry about it. I dont need it. I dont give advice. Im very mindful to stick with evidenced based and an attitude of safety. I believe this is Andrea Robertsons attitude too. Though someone with a different opinion is Carol Flanagan Ex Childbirth Ed and now working full time as a Solicitor had Maggie as her midwife very happily and did a wonderful task of supporting Maggie through her crisis a couple of years ago. Carol looks at the professional indemnity insurance as a necessity in the case where someone who is very unreasonable decides to attempt to sue an educator, then the educator needs the insurance cover to pay for their defense. Otherwise it could cost the educator their family home to defend themselves. I think its worthwhile to listen to everyones opinion and then think it through for yourself. Self-reflect on what you say and how you say it in class, over the phone and in writing. Check the integrity. Hope the above information helps. hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0410 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] existing midwifery services
Just like to stimulate some discussion regarding the recent press around smaller birthing services in Sydney and surrounds. Is there any support for women currently choosing these services for birth, or do we think these services are not worth hanging on to. There seem to be an abundance of ideas for new models of care for midwifery services and I believe we need these plans for the future of birthing women but at the moment feel we are throwing out our old shoes before we have the money to buy the new. What do other midwives feel. Cheers Marian
Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery services
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery services Just like to stimulate some discussion regarding the recent press around smaller birthing services in Sydney and surrounds. Is there any support for women currently choosing these services for birth, or do we think these services are not worth hanging on to. There seem to be an abundance of ideas for new models of care for midwifery services and I believe we need these plans for the future of birthing women but at the moment feel we are throwing out our old shoes before we have the money to buy the new. What do other midwives feel. Cheers Marian Hi Marian and All I am unsure exactly what you mean. Are you referring to the appalling moves in NSW to centralise regional services, or the National Maternity Action Plan ( a model to increase midwife-led care)? In relation to throwing out the old shoes it is true that many midwives will be uncomfortable/unwilling to work in a caseload capacity in an autonomous way. There are many (including our IPMs) that would love to. The time is absolutely ripe (with the professional indemnity crisis) to demonstrate VERY clearly to politicians and policy makers that midwives are legitimate carers for women and can adequately care for normal, healthy pregnant women through the entire episode. Their care is proven to be more appropriate and cost effective and the relationship a woman forms with a known midwife has such far reaching benefits for her and her family. Combine the international research, practice with 30 parliamentary inquiries since 1985 across the country with the majority recommending an increase in midwife led care. BINGO! If the system was to support appropriate midwife care we would see 80% of normal births, rather than the 20 or so % we see now. Over time a great many more women would see birth as a normal and beautiful life event, rather than a terrifying experience that they need to be anaesthetised from. Our Tresillian, etc services would not be full and mothering would be greater valued, because women would demand it! The old shoes dont fit!!! The new ones may give some people blisters, but hey once we walk them in they be the best pair ever!! Justine Caines Maternity Coalition ACT Branch
Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper!
Fantastic Jo,
Ain't it great!!
Keep up the good work, says I who is scoffing the chokkies an appreciative family gave me.
Judy
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I am a new midwife, working in the birth suite in a hospital as part of my grad year.
Lately I have been getting some really nice, normal births... some have been inductions, but otherwise no interventions. (some had pain relief, some had none)... but today, my name appeared in the paper in the classifieds, ("It's a Girl"): "Special thanks to Midwife Joanne Zoch" I was SO PROUD!!! :)
Just had to share. It's my first time ;)
Jo
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[ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
I have just been shown the weekend paper that had an article about independent midwives in it. Robyn Thompson put forward a confident picture of not being defeated by the withdrawal of insurance but what I found distressing was the need of another midwife to bag the ACMI in public. (Personally I believe the executive have /are continuing to try and do every thing they can to negotiate insurance of behalf of members who are practicing independently) but even if you don't believe this then the place to take it up is surely with the executive rather than in the paper. Members bagging our professional organisation in public must damage the organisations credibility in the eyes of the very people we need to influence if we are ever to make inroads on this front. I understand as well as anybody the frustration those practicing independently without insurance but lets vent our frustration together but present a united front to the public. Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper!
DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FIRST TIME JO I STILL GET A BUZZ AFTER LOTS OF TIMES
ANDREA Q
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 10:04 AM, JoFromOz wrote:
I am a new midwife, working in the birth suite in a hospital as part of my grad year.
Lately I have been getting some really nice, normal births... some have been inductions, but otherwise no interventions. (some had pain relief, some had none)... but today, my name appeared in the paper in the classifieds, ("It's a Girl"): "Special thanks to Midwife Joanne Zoch" I was SO PROUD!!! :)
Just had to share. It's my first time ;)
Jo
Be happy; for every minute you're angry you lose 60 seconds of happiness.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
well said, Andrea. aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front Members bagging our professional organisation in public must damage the organisations credibility ...but present a united front to the public.Andrea Quanchi--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery services
Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery servicesSPOT ON! aviva - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery that midwives are legitimate carers for women and can adequately care for normal, healthy pregnant women through the entire episode. benefits for her and her family. BINGO! and mothering would be greater valued, because women would demand it! The old shoes don't fit!!! Justine Caines Maternity Coalition ACT Branch -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] what is horizontal violence?
Could somebody please explain what is horinzontal violence, I know I heard it long time ago. However I'm not quite sure what it is. Cheryl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
Dear All Regarding Robyn Thompson, Iam sure that like a lot of us , she has worked with the College, argued with the College and tried every way she could to get them to be effective in acting.to address the midwifery issues in this country.. . Now her frustration is only exceeded by her desire to keep doing midwifery regardless of the personal risk? Few of us have any understanding of putting ourselves out for women and midwifery!Imagine if even one maternity unit went on strike unless a midwifery model of carewas instigated with support fromthe hospital administration. There would be outrage but such a move would save money and pain etc for women and babies and our community! In NSW the GMTT recommendations (in last week end's papers) threatens several midwifery led units !Where is the outrage of the midwives and consumers involved let alone the NSWMA and midwives across the state. Where is the outrage that we have a refurbished Birth Centre that is not allowed to have any births?? (So much of what is happening with NSW Maternity Services and GMTT is from a Yes Minister script!) I contemplate going to NZ or the UK if NMAP does not get the support it deserves from the polies I wish I could say it is overwhelmed by support from midwives particularly the college! Now I know how busy they are and they do it in their own time etc and the polies and bureaucrats need to see this as wanted by the consumers etc. Sorry but I can understand Robyn's frustration and I hopeher outburst shames midwives (particularly ACMI ) into re arranging their priorities rather than resulting in moral indignation! I see it as conferences, meetings and negotiations have not changed midwifery and Australian birthing (in fact we have been fiddling while the flames engulf us !) NMAP can with 100% support from informed midwives and consumers! Denise
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
Dear Andrea, I want to add my support to the notion of not bagging ACMI. Power to midwifery and birthing women will never come from divisions and infighting - particularly if it is played out in public (see the Democrats just now). Every midwife who wants to see midwifery progress as a profession should be a member of ACMI. If you don't like the way we in ACMI are working don't just tell someone else, tell us and offer real suggestions which you are willing to work towards. Don't sit back and expect others who are working unpaid to know what you want or to do everything. Yours in solidarity, Kathleen Fahy --Kathleen FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity Drive,Callaghan, 2308 Ph 02 49215966 Fax 02 49216981 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/29/02 11:20pm I have just been shown the weekend paper that had an article about independent midwives in it. Robyn Thompson put forward a confident picture of not being defeated by the withdrawal of insurance but what I found distressing was the need of another midwife to bag the ACMI in public. (Personally I believe the executive have /are continuing to try and do every thing they can to negotiate insurance of behalf of members who are practicing independently) but even if you don't believe this then the place to take it up is surely with the executive rather than in the paper. Members bagging our professional organisation in public must damage the organisations credibility in the eyes of the very people we need to influence if we are ever to make inroads on this front.I understand as well as anybody the frustration those practicing independently without insurance but lets vent our frustration together but present a united front to the public.Andrea Quanchi--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
Dear Andrea, Thanks for this - to suggest that I am devastated by this article is a complete understatement, and Robyn is not even a member!! Anyway those are the breaks - we are still continuing to move forward with the insurance and we had a big meeting a couple of weeks ago with the universities, nurses boards etc of Vic and SA Will keep you posted - (please do not distribute this email) Cheers Vanessa - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front I have just been shown the weekend paper that had an article about independent midwives in it. Robyn Thompson put forward a confident picture of not being defeated by the withdrawal of insurance but what I found distressing was the need of another midwife to bag the ACMI in public. (Personally I believe the executive have /are continuing to try and do every thing they can to negotiate insurance of behalf of members who are practicing independently) but even if you don't believe this then the place to take it up is surely with the executive rather than in the paper. Members bagging our professional organisation in public must damage the organisations credibility in the eyes of the very people we need to influence if we are ever to make inroads on this front. I understand as well as anybody the frustration those practicing independently without insurance but lets vent our frustration together but present a united front to the public. Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
The way I read the email, it wasn't Robyn Thompson, but someone else. Perhaps Andrea could send the link to the article, or the article itself so it's firsthand. Barb --- Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All Regarding Robyn Thompson, I am sure that like a lot of us , she has worked with the College, argued with the College and tried every way she could to get them to be effective in acting.to address the midwifery issues in this country.. . Now her frustration is only exceeded by her desire to keep doing midwifery regardless of the personal risk? Few of us have any understanding of putting ourselves out for women and midwifery! Imagine if even one maternity unit went on strike unless a midwifery model of care was instigated with support from the hospital administration. There would be outrage but such a move would save money and pain etc for women and babies and our community! In NSW the GMTT recommendations (in last week end's papers) threatens several midwifery led units ! Where is the outrage of the midwives and consumers involved let alone the NSWMA and midwives across the state. Where is the outrage that we have a refurbished Birth Centre that is not allowed to have any births?? (So much of what is happening with NSW Maternity Services and GMTT is from a Yes Minister script!) I contemplate going to NZ or the UK if NMAP does not get the support it deserves from the polies I wish I could say it is overwhelmed by support from midwives particularly the college! Now I know how busy they are and they do it in their own time etc and the polies and bureaucrats need to see this as wanted by the consumers etc. Sorry but I can understand Robyn's frustration and I hope her outburst shames midwives (particularly ACMI ) into re arranging their priorities rather than resulting in moral indignation! I see it as conferences, meetings and negotiations have not changed midwifery and Australian birthing (in fact we have been fiddling while the flames engulf us !) NMAP can with 100% support from informed midwives and consumers! Denise http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] FW: WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN
Title: FW: WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN To those of us who have children in our lives, whether they are our own, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, or students...here is something to make you chuckle. Whenever your children are out of control, you can take comfort from the thought that even God's omnipotence did not extend to His own children. After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve. And the first thing he said was DON'T! Don't what? Adam replied. Don't eat the forbidden fruit. God said. Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey Eve...we have forbidden fruit! No Way! Yes way! Do NOT eat the fruit! said God. Why Because I am your Father and I said so! God replied, wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants. A few minutes later, God saw His children having an apple break and He was ticked! Didn't I tell you not to eat the fruit? God asked. Uh huh, Adam replied. Then why did you? said the Father. I don't know, said Eve. She started it! Adam said Did not! Did to! DID NOT! Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own. Thus the pattern was set and it has never changed. BUT THERE IS REASSURANCE IN THE STORY! If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give children wisdom and they haven't taken it, don't be hard on yourself. If God had trouble raising children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake for you? THINGS TO THINK ABOUT! 1. You spend the first two years of their life teaching them to walk and talk. Then you spend the next sixteen telling them to sit down and shut up. 2. Grandchildren are God's reward for not killing your own children. 3. Mothers of teens now know why some animals eat their young. 4. Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. 5. The main purpose of holding children's parties is to remind yourself that there are children more awful than your own. 6. We child proofed our homes, but they are still getting in. ADVICE FOR THE DAY! Be nice to your kids. They will choose your nursing home. AND FINALLY: IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF TENSION AND YOU GET A HEADACHE, DO WHAT IT SAYS ON THE ASPIRIN BOTTLE: TAKE TWO ASPIRIN AND KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
I am moved to comment here. I too think that it's really important that we can discuss things freely within the professional group and also in its periphery and outside of it, but seeing as how ACMI supports the direction of midwife-led (medically-backed) care, the strength of the case for all of these much-needed (and massive) changes will weaken if those who are on the same side bag the professional organisation representing midwives in this country. I know this is a bit corny for some people, but I still believe that strength is possible in a caring and supportive (and informed) way and through this, consensus across groups who want similar things after they have sorted out differences between themselves is a much stronger way to move the non-believers. Penny B. On 30/8/02 9:25 AM, ACMI President [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Andrea, Thanks for this - to suggest that I am devastated by this article is a complete understatement, and Robyn is not even a member!! I have just been shown the weekend paper that had an article about independent midwives in it. Robyn Thompson put forward a confident picture of not being defeated by the withdrawal of insurance but what I found distressing was the need of another midwife to bag the ACMI in public. (Personally I believe the executive have /are continuing to try and do every thing they can to negotiate insurance of behalf of members who are practicing independently) but even if you don't believe this then the place to take it up is surely with the executive rather than in the paper. Members bagging our professional organisation in public must damage the organisations credibility in the eyes of the very people we need to influence if we are ever to make inroads on this front. I understand as well as anybody the frustration those practicing independently without insurance but lets vent our frustration together but present a united front to the public. Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
I recently joined Emily's List, an ALP organisation. Why? Mostly because I just love their slogan."When women support women, women win!" I think that says it all. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
You got it Barb I was impressed with Robyn's part of the article but it was the comments by another well known midwife who is a member of the college that I was taking issue with. I deliberately didn't say who it was because I don't think it matters. Can't give you the link because I only saw the article which someone had cut out but it was one of the Victorian big papers (Age or Australian) last weekend. Andrea On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 09:41 AM, Barbara Howe wrote: The way I read the email, it wasn't Robyn Thompson, but someone else. Perhaps Andrea could send the link to the article, or the article itself so it's firsthand. Barb --- Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All Regarding Robyn Thompson, I am sure that like a lot of us , she has worked with the College, argued with the College and tried every way she could to get them to be effective in acting.to address the midwifery issues in this country.. . Now her frustration is only exceeded by her desire to keep doing midwifery regardless of the personal risk? Few of us have any understanding of putting ourselves out for women and midwifery! Imagine if even one maternity unit went on strike unless a midwifery model of care was instigated with support from the hospital administration. There would be outrage but such a move would save money and pain etc for women and babies and our community! In NSW the GMTT recommendations (in last week end's papers) threatens several midwifery led units ! Where is the outrage of the midwives and consumers involved let alone the NSWMA and midwives across the state. Where is the outrage that we have a refurbished Birth Centre that is not allowed to have any births?? (So much of what is happening with NSW Maternity Services and GMTT is from a Yes Minister script!) I contemplate going to NZ or the UK if NMAP does not get the support it deserves from the polies I wish I could say it is overwhelmed by support from midwives particularly the college! Now I know how busy they are and they do it in their own time etc and the polies and bureaucrats need to see this as wanted by the consumers etc. Sorry but I can understand Robyn's frustration and I hope her outburst shames midwives (particularly ACMI ) into re arranging their priorities rather than resulting in moral indignation! I see it as conferences, meetings and negotiations have not changed midwifery and Australian birthing (in fact we have been fiddling while the flames engulf us !) NMAP can with 100% support from informed midwives and consumers! Denise http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
Dear Vanessa, My kind thoughts are with you. Kathleen --Kathleen FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity Drive,Callaghan, 2308 Ph 02 49215966 Fax 02 49216981 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30/02 09:25am Dear Andrea,Thanks for this - to suggest that I am devastated by this article is acomplete understatement, and Robyn is not even a member!!Anyway those are the breaks - we are still continuing to move forward withthe insurance and we had a big meeting a couple of weeks ago with theuniversities, nurses boards etc of Vic and SAWill keep you posted - (please do not distribute this email)CheersVanessa- Original Message -From: "Andrea Quanchi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "ozmidwifery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:20 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front I have just been shown the weekend paper that had an article about independent midwives in it. Robyn Thompson put forward a confident picture of not being defeated by the withdrawal of insurance but what I found distressing was the need of another midwife to bag the ACMI in public. (Personally I believe the executive have /are continuing to try and do every thing they can to negotiate insurance of behalf of members who are practicing independently) but even if you don't believe this then the place to take it up is surely with the executive rather than in the paper. Members bagging our professional organisation in public must damage the organisations credibility in the eyes of the very people we need to influence if we are ever to make inroads on this front. I understand as well as anybody the frustration those practicing independently without insurance but lets vent our frustration together but present a united front to the public. Andrea Quanchi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
Mary How do we go about getting NMAP on the agenda of Emily's List??? Becuase we need to be politically connected and active to effect change just as RANZCOG and the AMA are to get what they want!! Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation I recently joined Emily's List, an ALP organisation. Why? Mostly because I just love their slogan."When women support women, women win!" I think that says it all. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN
Dear Julie, As a mother of 6 I enjoyed this!Ann--- Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN To those of us who have children in our lives, whether they are our own, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, or students...here is something to make you chuckle. Whenever your children are out of control, you can take comfort from the thought that even God's omnipotence did not extend to His own children. After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve. And the first thing he said was DON'T! Don't what? Adam replied. Don't eat the forbidden fruit. God said. Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey Eve...we have forbidden fruit! No Way! Yes way! Do NOT eat the fruit! said God. Why Because I am your Father and I said so! God replied, wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants. A few minutes later, God saw His children having an apple break and He was ticked! Didn't I tell you not to eat the fruit? God asked. Uh huh, Adam replied. Then why did you? said the Father. I don't know, said Eve. She started it! Adam said Did not! Did to! DID NOT! Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own. Thus the pattern was set and it has never changed. BUT THERE IS REASSURANCE IN THE STORY! If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give children wisdom and they haven't taken it, don't be hard on yourself. If God had trouble raising children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake for you? THINGS TO THINK ABOUT! 1. You spend the first two years of their life teaching them to walk and talk. Then you spend the next sixteen telling them to sit down and shut up. 2. Grandchildren are God's reward for not killing your own children. 3. Mothers of teens now know why some animals eat their young. 4. Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. 5. The main purpose of holding children's parties is to remind yourself that there are children more awful than your own. 6. We child proofed our homes, but they are still getting in. ADVICE FOR THE DAY! Be nice to your kids. They will choose your nursing home. AND FINALLY: IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF TENSION AND YOU GET A HEADACHE, DO WHAT IT SAYS ON THE ASPIRIN BOTTLE: TAKE TWO ASPIRIN AND KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] what is horizontal violence?
Dear Cheryl, The following is only what midwives have told me.If you are a mother giving birth or even attending a breastfeeding clinic DONT TELL THE STAFF YOU ARE A MIDWIFE or your treatment will be totally unprofessional.Also miwifery students are the verbal punching bags for 'established' staff.So in short it is violence between midwives.No violence or verbal abuse is acceptable.Parents are jailed for abuse yet health professionals can say and do what they like and not have to even say sorry.Ann--- CHERYL JONES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody please explain what is horinzontal violence, I know I heard it long time ago. However I'm not quite sure what it is. Cheryl -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation
It is there in my area's chapter in Brisbane. - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation Mary How do we go about getting NMAP on the agenda of Emily's List??? Becuase we need to be politically connected and active to effect change just as RANZCOG and the AMA are to get what they want!! Denise Hynd - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral Indignation I recently joined Emily's List, an ALP organisation. Why? Mostly because I just love their slogan."When women support women, women win!" I think that says it all. MM
