Re: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice

[Larissa & Tim]

Yup -second caesarean. They called 
the baby Romeo.
Hey Jo do we send the hearts to 
you or bring them on the day??
Hugs, Larissa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Posh 
  Spice
  
  if this is her second baby then it is her second 
  cs.  both her and Mel C from the spice girls had cs.  talk about 
  girl power...hmmm...they have missed the true sense of the term.
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Larissa & Tim 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:15 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice

Hi All!
Did everyone hear that 
Victoria Beckham had a little boy by caesarean?? David Beckham's football 
club apparently paid for the "delivery" so that she would have the baby at a 
convenient time so as to not disturb his (hubby's) football training 
etc!!!
When my husband heard this he 
went right off - so some of my warbling about birthing matters must have got 
in his head somewhere ;) He was most indignant that this 
happened.
No wonder women are getting 
the "too posh to push" idea. If it's good enough for them(ie 
celebrities) it's good enough for me.
Humph!
 
Hugs, Larissa (who is getting 
off her soapbox now with her new soapbox recruit hubby!)
 
"How can you have too many 
babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother 
Theresa~

Re: [ozmidwifery] ncad

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

sent the heart today
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom, Tania and Sam 
  Smallwood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ncad
  
  Jo,
   
  I attended a wonderful birth the other day, will write more 
  later (jake feeding), can you send me a heart please, to 7 gould lane, 
  stirling 5152?
   
  many thanks,
  Tania Smallwood
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jo 
& Dean Bainbridge 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:58 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] ncad

Hi everyone!
Just a quick reminder that 
the National Caesarean Awareness Day is coming up 
soon.  
 
Here in SA, CARES 
SA is hosting a family picnic in Rymill Park ( the park off East 
trc in the city), September 11 from 11am.  
 
There is a marquee, belly 
dancing work shop, face painting (to be confirmed) music (also to be 
confirmed!!!  Arg! the stress!) and of course the display of 
personalized purple hearts for all belly born bubs!!
 
If there is a pregnant 
belly out there who would like to get a belly cast done, let us know!  

 
CARES are awarding two 
awards for outstanding achievements with vbac and cs.
 
All family and friends are 
welcome.  BYO picnic and rug.  kiosk should be available, toilets 
close at hand and playground for children.  
 
Please, all mums, babies, 
midwives, midwifery students and birth related professionals, friends, 
family,
come dedicate a heart 
 and celebrate increasing 
awareness of issues surrounding cs and vbac!
 
for more info, call Jo on 
8388 6918 
or Carolyn on 8293 
8333
 
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 
08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

Re: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

if this is her second baby then it is her second 
cs.  both her and Mel C from the spice girls had cs.  talk about girl 
power...hmmm...they have missed the true sense of the term.
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Larissa & Tim 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:15 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice
  
  Hi All!
  Did everyone hear that Victoria 
  Beckham had a little boy by caesarean?? David Beckham's football club 
  apparently paid for the "delivery" so that she would have the baby at a 
  convenient time so as to not disturb his (hubby's) football training 
  etc!!!
  When my husband heard this he 
  went right off - so some of my warbling about birthing matters must have got 
  in his head somewhere ;) He was most indignant that this 
happened.
  No wonder women are getting the 
  "too posh to push" idea. If it's good enough for them(ie 
  celebrities) it's good enough for me.
  Humph!
   
  Hugs, Larissa (who is getting 
  off her soapbox now with her new soapbox recruit hubby!)
   
  "How can you have too many 
  babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother 
  Theresa~

[ozmidwifery] Posh Spice

[Larissa & Tim]

Hi All!
Did everyone hear that Victoria 
Beckham had a little boy by caesarean?? David Beckham's football club apparently 
paid for the "delivery" so that she would have the baby at a convenient time so 
as to not disturb his (hubby's) football training etc!!!
When my husband heard this he went 
right off - so some of my warbling about birthing matters must have got in his 
head somewhere ;) He was most indignant that this happened.
No wonder women are getting the 
"too posh to push" idea. If it's good enough for them(ie celebrities) it's 
good enough for me.
Humph!
 
Hugs, Larissa (who is getting off 
her soapbox now with her new soapbox recruit hubby!)
 
"How can you have too many 
babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother 
Theresa~

Re: [ozmidwifery] water

[Debby M]

I don't know how you can get the policy changed as a staff member other than encouraging other mw to have OH&S type training that allows for women to be managed in baths - RWH Brisbane apparently do this training through their physio dept and it teaches the mw's how to lift (with assistance) a patient "in trouble" out of the bath using one of those fandangled lifting devices.   At least then the OH&S argument could not be used as a stumbling block.
After that you can really only advise women to do what I did - as consumers - and that is demand the right to use the facilities.
Debby
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Rossel, not Sorrel!

[Sue Cookson]

Hi Aviva,
Hope you don't mind me emailing you directly, but do you have an email
address for Nicole Rossell?
I worked with her many years ago in John Stevenson's surgery and would love
to contact her again.

Thanks,
Sue Cookson

> My humble apologies...I messed up a couple of names in my other post. I
> listed Bronny Handfield as Bronny Bell (her maiden name) and Nicole Rossel
> as Nikki Sorrel.
> 
> The advantages of having beautiful births -- the Birth Book is never far
> away, so it was easy to look them up. I knew I'd ought to have had an early
> night!
> 
> Aviva Sheb'a (formerly Aviva Marsh-Marchinski)
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[ozmidwifery] water

[henk / eliza merbis]

Hi All,
 
I have just joined the casual pool of a very large 
hospital and am very disappointed to hear that labouring women are not allowed 
to even use the spa baths (provided in every ensuite) whilst in labour. 

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can go about 
making change!!!???
I realise I am new to the hospital (and new to Mid) 
but just cannot understand it if strict guidelines are in place and used. I 
looked at their policy on their Intranet and it is extremely detailed, so why 
can't I go by this???
 
Liza

Re: [ozmidwifery] recognition

[Denise Hynd]

Is this Irene Munro who was in WA from Scotland??
Denise Hynd
- Original Message - 
From: Irene Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] recognition


> Hi Jo,
> Well done, it makes all the hard work worthwhile,
> doesn't it?
> Irene Munro
> Alice Springs
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[ozmidwifery] recognition

[Irene Munro]

Hi Jo,
Well done, it makes all the hard work worthwhile,
doesn't it?
Irene Munro
Alice Springs

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Natural Birth

[Vicki Chan]

Title: Message



Hi 
Rosemary... good to hear what you are up to.  Fantastic! Already a year 
since I was in Alice! Have to stay longer next time round! Love, Vicki 
xox

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rosemary 
  & Wayne WeckertSent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:03 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [ozmidwifery] Natural Birth
  Hello all. My name is Rosemary Weckert and I've 
  been a silent reader of the list for a long while. Thought I had to tell Jo 
  about the birth I attended today at Alice Springs Hospital. I am gathering 
  evidence to apply for accreditation as an Independant midwife. The hospital is 
  supporting me with insurance but the births have to happen at the 
  hospital. So in my own time I am working with 20 families during their 
  pregnancy birth and postnatal period. I attend antenatal care in their homes 
  or at ASH it's their choice. I go to them when labour starts and when they 
  decide it's time to go to ASH for the birth I accompany them, assist them with 
  the birth then follow them up after the birth at ASH then at home. Anyway 
  today a woman having her 3rd baby went into labour, up to the hospital we 
  went. 4hrs later she sat on the birth stool and breathed her baby into her 
  husbands hands. They went home 4 hrs later. I feel lucky to be working in this 
  way. When I read about the way some midwives and women are 
  treated when they do have to transfer to a hospital I'm glad I live in Alice 
  Springs. We're not perfect but we have a good team of doctors and midwives 
  who are trying to be progressive. Although we have'nt been able to 
  break down the waterbirth barriers yet (we do have 2 large suitable baths in 
  readiness). I get asked a lot about what will happen when this project is 
  completed. I can't say for sure especially if there is no insurance but at the 
  moment these women are my teachers and I'm enjoying it.
  We're always looking for staff, if you never 
  never go you'll never never know!
  Regards 
Rosemary

Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper!

[Denise Hynd]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper!



Does Akhal have a website my emails to her 
bounce
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jan 
  Robinson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:53 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] in the 
  paper!
  On 29/8/02 10:04 AM, "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  I am a new midwife, working in 
the birth suite in a hospital as part of my grad year.Lately I have been 
getting some really nice, normal births... some have been inductions, but 
otherwise no interventions. (some had pain relief, some had none)... but 
today, my name appeared in the paper in the classifieds, ("It's a Girl"): 
"Special thanks to Midwife Joanne Zoch"  I was SO PROUD!!! :)Just 
had to share. It's my first time ;)JoBe happy; for every minute you're angry 
you lose 60 seconds of happiness.The kudos was no doubt well deserved Jo. Hope you continue in 
  your career as a specialist in natural births.Jan Robinson 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin

[Denise Hynd]

Thank you
 
Also I think Andrea and Jan Stock Nils Bergman's 
video(S) 
 
"Mother Kangaroo   ...
 
Does any one have the web site 
address??Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  P & A 
  Koziol 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to 
  Skin
  
  The book's full details are: 'Kangaroo care, the 
  best you can do to help your preterm infant', Susan M. Ludington-Hoe (with 
  Susan K. Golant),Bantam Books,1993. Great book not just for lay 
  people:)
   
  Cheers
   
  Alesa
   
  Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:02 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to 
Skin

There is book for lay poeple "S-t-S care the 
best you can do for your pretem infant" By Susan ???Ludlooe Galannt and web 
sites with research lists about this topicdenise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:41 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Skin to 
  Skin
  
  Ashley Montagu's Touching -- the Human 
  Significance of Skin. Shows up in second hand bookshops, libraries etc. I 
  don't know how much there is on your topic. I've warmed a baby in the 
  dead of winter (I arrived a little after the birth) and it was so cold, 
  the mother was exhausted. I'm blessed with a G-cup. Tucked bub under the 
  breast...warm as toast!
   
  Loved that skin to skin contact with my own 
  babes. Excellent bonding. 
   
  Not very scientific, but valid to 
  me.
   
  I wish you success,
   
  Aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: allison 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:10 PM
  
  Hi list,
  just wondering if anyone has any resources on 
  where i may access qualitative research done on womens experiences of skin 
  to skin contact immediately after birth. 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front

[Lynne Staff]

With the launch of NMAP almost upon us - what better time!
- Original Message -
From: "Leigh Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "ACMI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front


> I thought I was the only one who thought that the ACMI was fairly silent .
I
> want to see lots of  articles in the papers shouting about the benefits of
> mid. care, and yes I am a member. Leigh
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "ACMI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front
>
>
> > As a Fellow of the Australian College of midwifes and a member and
worker
> > for 20 yrs,  I must also say that I am disappointed in the deafening
> silence
> > of the ACMI Executive about the overall state of maternity services.  As
a
> > midwife in private practice, I see that the insurance issue and my own
> > conditions of employment are up to me to fight for.  I don't expect that
> the
> > ACMI should do that.  However, when the majority midwives are (for all
> kinds
> > of personal reasons) colluding in the medicalisation of births of the
the
> > women of Australia, I feel like a raging lioness, wanting to protect my
> > young.  Medicalisation causes the majority of babies in Australia to be
> > born imprinted in a drug filled haze.  In todays West Australian
newspaper
> > it stated that W.A. had the 2nd highest illegal drug problem in
Australia.
> > Is it any wonder!  Women who wish to birth naturally without drugs  and
> the
> > midwives who support them are seen to be deviates.  After attending the
> > births of 4 women in the last 2 weeks, a 3rd baby , 5.2kgs, no tears, no
> > drugs, who was told to have a C/S because she wouldn't be able to birth
> the
> > baby; a primip who birthed a 3.6kgs baby in 7 hrs, no tears, no drugs; a
> > primip who birthed a 3.8kg baby in 6 hrs, labial tears, no drugs and a
> > primip who birthed a 4.4kgs baby in 12hrs, no tears or drugs- all
> > waterbirths.  Waterbirths are not allowed in our hospitals or our birth
> > centre because they are "dangerous", yet it is O.K to fill them up with
> > epidurals or drugs by another route, or even to indoctrinate women to
the
> > idea that planned caesareans are "risk free", then blame them for
choosing
> > that option... or even giving them that option.  Some of the women above
> had
> > personal histories which may have caused a planned casarean, or an
> > instrumental delivery if they had stuck with the medical model and their
> > midwives had gone for the epidural, hospital birth scenario.  Patience
and
> > encouragement allowed them to triumph and experience real healing in
their
> > births.  What is happening out there?  Where is our professional body
> > upholding what is right, not just what is politic?  I would like to see
so
> > much more public comment from the Executive of the ACMI about the state
of
> > maternity care (or lack of true care).  It truly is a toothless
tigeress.
> > MM
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Re: [ozmidwifery] ncad

[Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood]

Jo,
 
I attended a wonderful birth the other day, will write more 
later (jake feeding), can you send me a heart please, to 7 gould lane, stirling 
5152?
 
many thanks,
Tania Smallwood

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:58 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] ncad
  
  Hi everyone!
  Just a quick reminder that 
  the National Caesarean Awareness Day is coming up soon.  
  
   
  Here in SA, CARES 
  SA is hosting a family picnic in Rymill Park ( the park off East trc 
  in the city), September 11 from 11am.  
   
  There is a marquee, belly 
  dancing work shop, face painting (to be confirmed) music (also to be 
  confirmed!!!  Arg! the stress!) and of course the display of personalized 
  purple hearts for all belly born bubs!!
   
  If there is a pregnant belly 
  out there who would like to get a belly cast done, let us know!  
  
   
  CARES are awarding two 
  awards for outstanding achievements with vbac and cs.
   
  All family and friends are 
  welcome.  BYO picnic and rug.  kiosk should be available, toilets 
  close at hand and playground for children.  
   
  Please, all mums, babies, 
  midwives, midwifery students and birth related professionals, friends, 
  family,
  come dedicate a heart 
   and celebrate increasing 
  awareness of issues surrounding cs and vbac!
   
  for more info, call Jo on 
  8388 6918 
  or Carolyn on 8293 
  8333
   
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
  SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper!

[Jan Robinson]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] in the paper!



On 29/8/02 10:04 AM, "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am a new midwife, working in the birth suite in a hospital as part of my grad year.
Lately I have been getting some really nice, normal births... some have been inductions, but otherwise no interventions. (some had pain relief, some had none)... but today, my name appeared in the paper in the classifieds, ("It's a Girl"): "Special thanks to Midwife Joanne Zoch"  I was SO PROUD!!! :)
Just had to share. It's my first time ;)
 
Jo
 
Be happy; for every minute you're angry you lose 60 seconds of happiness.


The kudos was no doubt well deserved Jo. Hope you continue in your career as a specialist in natural births.
Jan Robinson

Re: [ozmidwifery] Independant Practice

[Rosemary & Wayne Weckert]

That's exactly what I'm doing. That's great if it 
doesn't matter where the births take place. I've just come home from another 
birth. First baby 9hr labour, no analgesia, baby boy born at 2059, all's 
well and everyone is extremely pleased with themselves. I can't sleep so thought 
I'd check the list.
Regards Rosemary 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:34 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Independant 
  Practice
  
  For accreditation, the place of birth is not the issue.  The issue 
  is that you have provided primary midwifery care during pregnancy, labour and 
  birth and post partum for 10 xcases.  It sounds as tho that is what you 
  are doing.(?)

Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin

[P & A Koziol]

The book's full details are: 'Kangaroo care, the 
best you can do to help your preterm infant', Susan M. Ludington-Hoe (with Susan 
K. Golant),Bantam Books,1993. Great book not just for lay people:)
 
Cheers
 
Alesa
 
Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to 
  Skin
  
  There is book for lay poeple "S-t-S care the best 
  you can do for your pretem infant" By Susan ???Ludlooe Galannt and web sites 
  with research lists about this topicdenise
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Aviva 
Sheb'a 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:41 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Skin to 
Skin

Ashley Montagu's Touching -- the Human 
Significance of Skin. Shows up in second hand bookshops, libraries etc. I 
don't know how much there is on your topic. I've warmed a baby in the 
dead of winter (I arrived a little after the birth) and it was so cold, the 
mother was exhausted. I'm blessed with a G-cup. Tucked bub under the 
breast...warm as toast!
 
Loved that skin to skin contact with my own 
babes. Excellent bonding. 
 
Not very scientific, but valid to 
me.
 
I wish you success,
 
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: allison 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:10 PM

Hi list,
just wondering if anyone has any resources on 
where i may access qualitative research done on womens experiences of skin 
to skin contact immediately after birth. 

[ozmidwifery] Dawn Worgan

[HELEN]

Dawn would you email me please?  Would love to hear more about the Angliss
and how your midwifery service is going.  Fanstastic to hear the Cmmunity
Midwifery is going so well.   I'm in Tasmania, and doing very little Mid.
Thank you  Helen Grainger
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[ozmidwifery] Sign letter Re: Amina in Nigeria

[Aviva Sheb'a]

 

Dear Friends,I as you would be aware I normally don't circulate 
unsolicited emails, however this particularincident has filled me with more 
than the usual quota of disgust in the depraved barbaric actsthat my fellow 
human being are capable of committing. To carry out the sentence below 
thecommonwealth government of Nigeria intends to bury this young woman up to 
her neck in soil and then allow depraved sorry excuses for human beings to throw 
rocks at her head until they have caused suffucient brain damage to kill her. I 
have signed this petition which appears to be on an official Amnesty website. 
Anyway nothing bad has happened to my PC. So I would askthat if you are able 
to have a quick look & consider joining this protest and pass on to anyone 
you think may be interested in signing it.
Regards Aviva Sheb'a- Original Message -From: 
Ron Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sunday, 
September 01, 2002 4:24 PMSubject: Sign letter Re: Amina in 
Nigeria> Dear All>>  A 30 year-old Nigerian 
woman Amina Lawal faces the death sentence.>>  She has been 
sentenced to death by stoning by a Regional Court in Katsina> State, 
Nigeria for having a child outside of marriage.>>  Her death 
sentence was announced on 23 March 2002.>>  I am writing to 
ask you if you would please urgently go to> http://www.mertonai.org/amina/ and 
click on 'sign our letter' to> support the outcry against this 
sentence>>  Please also show your support by forwarding this 
link>>  Yours>  Adjoa Owusu>  http://www.adjoa.co.uk>

[ozmidwifery] ncad

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

Hi everyone!
Just a quick reminder that the 
National Caesarean Awareness Day is coming up soon.  

 
Here in SA, CARES 
SA is hosting a family picnic in Rymill Park ( the park off East trc in 
the city), September 11 from 11am.  
 
There is a marquee, belly 
dancing work shop, face painting (to be confirmed) music (also to be 
confirmed!!!  Arg! the stress!) and of course the display of personalized 
purple hearts for all belly born bubs!!
 
If there is a pregnant belly 
out there who would like to get a belly cast done, let us know!  

 
CARES are awarding two awards 
for outstanding achievements with vbac and cs.
 
All family and friends are 
welcome.  BYO picnic and rug.  kiosk should be available, toilets 
close at hand and playground for children.  
 
Please, all mums, babies, 
midwives, midwifery students and birth related professionals, friends, 
family,
come dedicate a heart 
 and celebrate increasing awareness 
of issues surrounding cs and vbac!
 
for more info, call Jo on 8388 
6918 
or Carolyn on 8293 
8333
 
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 
08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front

[Leigh Evans]

I thought I was the only one who thought that the ACMI was fairly silent . I
want to see lots of  articles in the papers shouting about the benefits of
mid. care, and yes I am a member. Leigh
- Original Message -
From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "ACMI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Presenting a united front


> As a Fellow of the Australian College of midwifes and a member and worker
> for 20 yrs,  I must also say that I am disappointed in the deafening
silence
> of the ACMI Executive about the overall state of maternity services.  As a
> midwife in private practice, I see that the insurance issue and my own
> conditions of employment are up to me to fight for.  I don't expect that
the
> ACMI should do that.  However, when the majority midwives are (for all
kinds
> of personal reasons) colluding in the medicalisation of births of the  the
> women of Australia, I feel like a raging lioness, wanting to protect my
> young.  Medicalisation causes the majority of babies in Australia to be
> born imprinted in a drug filled haze.  In todays West Australian newspaper
> it stated that W.A. had the 2nd highest illegal drug problem in Australia.
> Is it any wonder!  Women who wish to birth naturally without drugs  and
the
> midwives who support them are seen to be deviates.  After attending the
> births of 4 women in the last 2 weeks, a 3rd baby , 5.2kgs, no tears, no
> drugs, who was told to have a C/S because she wouldn't be able to birth
the
> baby; a primip who birthed a 3.6kgs baby in 7 hrs, no tears, no drugs; a
> primip who birthed a 3.8kg baby in 6 hrs, labial tears, no drugs and a
> primip who birthed a 4.4kgs baby in 12hrs, no tears or drugs- all
> waterbirths.  Waterbirths are not allowed in our hospitals or our birth
> centre because they are "dangerous", yet it is O.K to fill them up with
> epidurals or drugs by another route, or even to indoctrinate women to the
> idea that planned caesareans are "risk free", then blame them for choosing
> that option... or even giving them that option.  Some of the women above
had
> personal histories which may have caused a planned casarean, or an
> instrumental delivery if they had stuck with the medical model and their
> midwives had gone for the epidural, hospital birth scenario.  Patience and
> encouragement allowed them to triumph and experience real healing in their
> births.  What is happening out there?  Where is our professional body
> upholding what is right, not just what is politic?  I would like to see so
> much more public comment from the Executive of the ACMI about the state of
> maternity care (or lack of true care).  It truly is a toothless tigeress.
> MM
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[ozmidwifery] NSWMA Complementary Therapies Seminar for Midwives and Maternal and Infant Health 14th September, Sydney

[Heartlogic]

Hi Everyone,

I'm forwarding information about a wonderful complementary therapies
seminar,

Looks great!  warmly Carolyn Hastie


Complementary Therapies Seminar
for
Midwives, Maternal and Infant Health Care Professionals
Saturday 14th September 2002
Lecture Theatre, Royal Hospital for Women, Randwick

8.30am- Registration
9.00am  Traditional Chinese MedicineNicole Hope-Allen
9.30am  Chasteberry and PMS TBA
1015am  Workshop Short Presentations-
Reflexology Lyndall Mollart
AromatherapyBernadette Leiser
Meditation  Jenny Palmer
10.45am Morning Tea
11.15am Hynpobirthing   Katrina Allen
11.45 amHomoeopathy Julie Kris-McNab
12.30pm Lunch
1.30pmWorkshops Reflexology/ Aromatherapy/ Meditation
Cross –over
2.45pm  Workshops   Reflexology/ Aromatherapy/ Meditation
4.00pm  Close
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Address: 

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Fees:  o $95 NSWMA Memberso $105 Non-members   o $85 Student Midwives
o   Money Order/Cheque (payable to  NSWMA)
Credit Card:o Visa   oBankcard  oMasterCard

Cardholder
Name:_

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Post to NSWMA PO Box 62 GLEBE 2037.  Closing Date: 6th September 2002

Complementary Therapies for Midwives, Maternal and Infant Care Professionals
One day Seminar

There is an increasing interest in the topic of complementary therapies and
a number of seminars on this topic have been held recently but this seminar’
s topics have been chosen specifically for health care professional working
in or have an interest in the pregnancy, maternal and infant health.

Nicole Hope Allen- midwife and accupuncturist

Dr Ramesh Manocha- Doctor working at RHW Natural Therapies unit

Lyndall Mollart- Midwife and reflexologist

Bernadette Leiser- Midwife, qualifications in reflexology, aromatherapy,
remedial massage, Bowen Therapy etc.

Jane Palmer-

Katrina Allen- Midwife and Hypobirthing

Julie Kris-McNab-



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin

[Denise Hynd]

There is book for lay poeple "S-t-S care the best 
you can do for your pretem infant" By Susan ???Ludlooe Galannt and web sites 
with research lists about this topicdenise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:41 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Skin to Skin
  
  Ashley Montagu's Touching -- the Human 
  Significance of Skin. Shows up in second hand bookshops, libraries etc. I 
  don't know how much there is on your topic. I've warmed a baby in the 
  dead of winter (I arrived a little after the birth) and it was so cold, the 
  mother was exhausted. I'm blessed with a G-cup. Tucked bub under the 
  breast...warm as toast!
   
  Loved that skin to skin contact with my own 
  babes. Excellent bonding. 
   
  Not very scientific, but valid to 
  me.
   
  I wish you success,
   
  Aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: allison 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:10 PM
  
  Hi list,
  just wondering if anyone has any resources on 
  where i may access qualitative research done on womens experiences of skin to 
  skin contact immediately after birth. 

Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery services

[Denise Hynd]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] existing midwifery services



Marion
Was that a meeting on a Tuesday night??If so I 
would appreciate a chat off line
Denise Hynd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marian 
  Bullard 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:17 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] existing 
  midwifery services
  
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Maurice Bullard 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:11 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] existing 
midwifery services

Dear Justine 
thank you for your response, I certainly agree regarding 
the blisters. I am so disappointed at what appears to be a lack of 
support for each other.  I recently attended a large meeting with 
many midwives(who make up the large percentage of midwives with vast 
interest in the current models of midwifery care) attending and it was very 
clear there was no support for anything other than protecting your own 
patch.  Thank you so much to Denise and Jan for their wonderful 
speeches and their courage to support women and fellow 
midwives.
I agree its worth hanging in there and I suppose it was 
just a moment of absolute frustration with battling the current system that 
seems to thwart every attempt at midwifery care centred on women, not 
instutions. 
Cheers Marian

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:01 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] existing 
  midwifery services
  
  Just like to stimulate some 
discussion regarding the recent press around smaller birthing services 
in Sydney and surrounds.Is there any support for women currently 
choosing these services for birth, or do we think these services are not 
worth hanging on to.  There seem to be an abundance of ideas for 
new models of care for midwifery services and I believe we need these 
plans for the future of birthing women but at the moment feel we are 
throwing out our old shoes before we have the money to buy the new. What 
do other midwives feel. Cheers MarianHi Marian and AllI am unsure exactly what you 
mean.  Are you referring to the appalling moves in NSW to 
centralise regional services, or the National Maternity Action Plan ( a 
model to increase midwife-led care)?  In relation to throwing out 
the old shoes it is true that many midwives will be 
uncomfortable/unwilling to work in a caseload capacity in an autonomous 
way.  There are many (including our IPM’s) that would love to. 
 The time is absolutely ripe (with the professional indemnity 
‘crisis’) to demonstrate VERY clearly to politicians and policy makers 
that midwives are legitimate carers for women and can adequately care 
for normal, healthy pregnant women through the entire episode. 
 Their care is proven to be more appropriate and cost effective and 
the relationship a woman forms with a known midwife has such far 
reaching benefits for her and her family.Combine the 
international research, practice with 30 parliamentary inquiries since 
1985 across the country with the majority recommending an increase in 
midwife –led care.  BINGO!If the system was to support 
appropriate midwife care we would see 80% of normal births, rather than 
the 20 or so % we see now.  Over time a great many more women would 
see birth as a normal and beautiful life event, rather than a terrifying 
experience that they need to be anaesthetised from.  Our 
Tresillian, etc services would not be full and mothering would be 
greater valued, because women would demand it!The old shoes 
don’t fit!!!  The new one’s may give some people blisters, but hey 
once we walk them in they be the best pair ever!!Justine 
CainesMaternity Coalition ACT Branch

Re: [ozmidwifery] Emily's list

[Denise Hynd]

Barbara
Do you have a web sie and email contact for Emily's 
List I tried thru the ALP web site search but no goDenise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Greg 
  Barbara Cook 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:16 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Emily's 
  list
  
  Some members of the ALP are midwives and are 
  active members of ACMI and the ALP.  I am aware that the Brisbane 
  branch of Emily's List has received a copy of the NMAP. I am aware that QNU 
  has a copy of the NMAP and members of the ALP Queensland health policy 
  committee also have the NMAP. 
  I can only speak for Queensland in areas I know. 
  
  I don't see many midwives in these forums, where are 
  they?
  cheers 
  Barb
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:13 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Emily's 
list

Dear Greg/Barbara Cook
I do not understand your response to my 
question about how to get NMAP into Emily's List 
My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Dwenise Hynd
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Greg 
  Barbara Cook 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:05 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral 
  Indignation
  
  It is there in my area's chapter in 
  Brisbane.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Denise Hynd 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:04 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral 
Indignation

Mary 
How do we go about getting NMAP on the 
agenda of Emily's List???
Becuase we need to be politically connected 
and active to effect change just as RANZCOG and the AMA are to get what 
they want!!
Denise Hynd

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 
  10:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Moral 
  Indignation
  
  I recently joined Emily's List,  an ALP organisation. 
  Why?  Mostly because I just love their slogan."When 
  women support women, women win!" 
   I think that says it all. 
MM