[ozmidwifery] Ultrasounds

[Judy Chapman]

Reminds me of the woman who had a baby with exomphalos and other abnormalities not compatable with extrauterine life. Missed on 3 USS in Brunei and Manila. Baby ventilated until parents could have proper explanations of the prognosis and then the ventilator turned off and baby died in their arms. 
Judy
 
From: "Ross W Timbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ultrasounds 
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:21:27 +1000 

Dear Jodie & List, 

I agree with Marilyn that there are lots of other signs that make the pregnancy real - fetal movements are not the only ones. There are plenty of changes in your body & mind. 

Another negative aspect of ultrasound that hasn't really been discussed is the amount of times they get it wrong, or see something 'unusual' but have no idea what it means. 

Here's just a small selection of ultrasound stuff-ups that I have seen in my practice 

- a baby with only two chambers in it's heart - this was missed on 2 ultrasounds 
- a woman with a Grade 4 placenta previa - missed on 3-4 ultrasounds 
- a baby that had 'ascites' detected on ultrasound - this woman was transferred to the capital city thousands of kms away from family & friends, and the baby delivered prematurely. It didn't have ascites or any other detectable abnormality, but now has a host of problems resulting from prematurity and long separations from its mother. 
Imagine the different scenario if she's never had the routine ultrasound in the first place. 
- a baby that had 'shadows' on its heart on ultrasound. No-one could tell the woman what this meant. This considerably increased her anxiety levels - not reduced them. The baby was and is perfectly healthy. 
- There have also been a number of cleft palates that have been missed, countless heart defects that have either been missed or are not detectable on ultrasound, a missed spinal defect. 
- Weight predictions that are often wrong - by up to 1.5kg. 

These were done by a variety of ultrasonongraphers using a variety of equipment. 

How can anyone be reassured by ultrasound, when they are so unreliable? 

They are not a perfect tool, but their use is sometimes warranted when there is an indication - then they are not used alone in diagnosis, but as one part of a complete assessment. I don't believe that they should be used routinely or for social reasons. We don't give people the choice of having social xrays, CT scans etc - because there are potential negative aspects of their use. We only use these technologies when we have an indication, not because someone wants to see a picture of their brain, etc. 

Routine use of ultrasounds only serves to fill the pockets of private companies. 

Well, that's my say. 

Jacky 




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RE: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.

[Robyn Thompson]

Hi Rhonda
I have been been practising as a Company Pty 
Ltd for 18 years now, that is why I have had to go it alone as far as business 
and legal responsibility goes.  Support from ANF is difficult 
because I am not practising as an individual.  According to my 
accountant the cost of memberships over the years had to be weighed against 
the the expenses of running a company, he advised me to keep my expenses 
low.  When PI was available through ANF I was not able to access 
it, so it was better for me not to pay the membership levy.  I think 
the same applies to ACMI but I am not sure of legal details here.  Maybe 
someone could provide some current information.  The bottom line 
is legislation is via the Nurses Board in Victoria and NSW where I am 
registered as nurse first and midwife second.   
 
Robyn

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  insurance.
  


  
 
Our solicitor, in light of our situation, and not being able to get 
insurance has suggested that we become Incorporated.  
Because they have to sue us personally as the person who performed 
the procedure - all of our assets would then be owned by the company and 
could not be touched by personal litigation.  
I guess this is something we never thought we would need to do but 
I was thinking that midwives who are working without insurance could do 
the same thing and therefore protect themselves at least from personal 
litigation.
 
I know it does not solve the problem - a bit like the "form to fill 
out" it is just another measure to protect oneself.
 
Has anyone else considered this option?
 
Regards
Rhonda

  

  
  


  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?

[Jan Robinson]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?



On 14/11/02 9:13 PM, "Julie Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Denise

Robyn Skewes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sorry unable to assist with the other address.

hug

 

Julie Clarke

Childbirth and Parenting Educator

Transition into Parenthood

9 Withybrook Pl

Sylvania  NSW 2224

T. (02) 9544 6441

F (02) 9544 9257

M. 0401 265 530

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Subject: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?

 

Dear Oz listers 

Are midwives  Angela Pridham (Shoalhaven) or Robyn Skewes (new England) on this list or does some one have their email contact details??
Denise Hynd 


Julie
Call Shellharbour Hospital to contact Angela. I think she still works there.
Jan

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound inPregnancy

[Jan Robinson]

On 13/11/02 11:20 PM, "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear all
> I missed Jodie's original e-mail but I do agree with Sally
> I understand that the safety issue is more than a scare mongering
> anti-technology  response as the most conservative Colleges of O& G have
> covered thenmsleves in recommeend ues on ly for a clinical indication, but
> once again this beleif to ensure a healthy baby has become a clinical
> indication, though how many couples are given the rates of false readings as
> well asthe safety questions (SGA risk for example)
> 
> 
> Denise hynd
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sally Westbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy
> 
> 
>> 
>> My hesitation around ultrasound is that no-one can produce research to
>> prove that this is a safe thing to do. Until this is clarified I remain
>> one who will advocate the use of ultrasound for clinical indications
>> only rather than as a routine intervention.
>> 
>> Sally Westbury
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jodie Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 2:16 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy
>> 
>> Just an anecdote to add...
>> 
>> Yoga pals and expectant friends of mine recently had
>> their 20 week scan at the Royal Women's Hospital
>> Brisbane and they came home with, not only the regular
>> B&W prints, but a set of *extraordinarily* detailed
>> colour "photos" of their baby's face in utero.  The
>> technician got so excited at the quality of image that
>> they were achieving and printed off some 8 or more
>> wonderful pictures for the parents-to-be to take home
>> and enjoy.
>> 
>> I must say the images gave me shivers!  The level of
>> detail achieved was amazing... who could blame parents
>> for wanting to take advantage of this opportunity to
>> "meet" and bond with their baby?
>> 
>> I've heard of ultrasound being used to help couples
>> accept their baby in unplanned pregnancy or of women
>> using the ultrasound scan to reign in a dad-to-be in
>> denial.
>> 
>> My own two (soon to be three) experiences of the 20
>> week anomaly scan were extremely warm and wonderful
>> like a verification and validation that all was normal
>> and healthy with the added bonus of allowing us the
>> opportunity to learn our babies' gender - something
>> that I felt helped me to bond with my babies in utero
>> just that little bit more.  I made every effort to
>> call my husband to attend if I was referred for an
>> impromptu scan in later pregnancy and we always walked
>> away with a warm glow and a sense of familiarity with
>> our unborn member of the family.  We framed ultrasound
>> pictures and emailed scanned images to distant family
>> so that everyone was able to share our joyful
>> expectation.
>> 
>> I realise that this technology is over-applied but
>> it's hard not to get excited when we are offered the
>> opportunity to see the unseeable.  Suddenly a
>> pregnancy becomes real, the baby becomes real and,
>> once actually viewed, it becomes easier to think of a
>> future with baby in it.
>> 
>> Just my two cents,
>> Jodie Miller
>> 
>> 
>> --- Jan Cornfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Joanne
>>> 
>>> Not on social use
>>> but informed choice etc
>>> http://www.aimsusa.org/ultrasnd.htm
>>> 
>>> What about some of the sites for mothers?
>>> 
>>> Jan Cornfoot
>>> 
>>> 
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Whatever happened to the old haptonomic approach to getting to know the
baby?

Don't mothers stroke, caress, talk, and play with their babies in utero
anymore? Usually this is spontaneous behaviour but some mothers need to be
taught the value of a daily quiet time with baby, especially those mothers
who come home tired from working each evening.

The haptonomic approach is surely much more fun (and dad can join in too)
than watching the poor little mite turn it's ears away from the intruding
ultrasound wave ... When you see the baby waving it's arms around it's
trying to block it's ears!

Why have we become a society that is willing to subject it's unborn to
distressing tests without a clinical indicator?

Jan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

[Lynne Staff]

Come 
to QLD!

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva 
  Sheb'aSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 11:23 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's 
  birth
  Good on you! Ask Edwina about 
  Belly/Improvisation/Afro/Cuban classes! I think I'm the process of devising a 
  new weekend workshop type thing to take on tour...any takers???
  Aviva
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  From: Lynne 
  Staff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:42 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth
  
  I 
  agree - so sensual and, well, you just have to see it  (dance it) to 
  believe it! 
  
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Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'aSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 4:41 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth
ah, now for letting it go, Afro-Cuban dance is 
the way to go! 
grins,
aviva
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth
In a message dated 11/14/02 8:25:54 AM W. Australia 
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Ah, yes! and it's wonderful what happens to the perineum, 
  vagina, bladder and the whole woman when Belly Dance is taken up. I 
  heartily recommend it! Ditto with ballet dancing.  I did ballet as a 
child and into adulthood.  I hadn't realised how much I had used my 
pelvic floor muscles and all the rest during my ballet training, until I 
started doing pelvic floor exercises during pregnancy.  When our CBE 
teacher took us through pelvic floor exercises, I suddenly realised that I 
had been regularly - and by that I mean many times a day - exercising my 
pelvic floor, as a result of the ballet training that I had done.The 
big trouble for me, was actually being able to let me pelvic floor 
"go".Debbie SlaterPerth, WA 

[ozmidwifery] Ultrasounds

[Ross W Timbs]

Dear Jodie & List,
 
I agree with Marilyn that there are lots of other 
signs that make the pregnancy real - fetal movements are not the only 
ones.  There are plenty of changes in your body & mind.
 
Another negative aspect of ultrasound that hasn't 
really been discussed is the amount of times they get it wrong, or see something 
'unusual' but have no idea what it means.
 
Here's just a small selection of ultrasound 
stuff-ups that I have seen in my practice
 
- a baby with only two chambers in it's heart - 
this was missed on 2 ultrasounds
- a woman with a Grade 4 placenta previa - missed 
on 3-4 ultrasounds
- a baby that had 'ascites' detected on ultrasound 
- this woman was transferred to the capital city thousands of kms away from 
family & friends, and the baby delivered prematurely.  It didn't have 
ascites or any other detectable abnormality, but now has a host of problems 
resulting from prematurity and long separations from its mother.
Imagine the different scenario if she's never had 
the routine ultrasound in the first place.
- a baby that had 'shadows' on its heart on 
ultrasound.  No-one could tell the woman what this meant.  This 
considerably increased her anxiety levels - not reduced them.  The baby was 
and is perfectly healthy.
- There have also been a number of cleft palates 
that have been missed, countless heart defects that have either been missed or 
are not detectable on ultrasound, a missed spinal defect.
- Weight predictions that are often wrong - by up 
to 1.5kg.
 
These were done by a variety of ultrasonongraphers 
using a variety of equipment.
 
How can anyone be reassured by ultrasound, when 
they are so unreliable?
 
They are not a perfect tool, but their use is 
sometimes warranted when there is an indication - then they are not used alone 
in diagnosis, but as one part of a complete assessment.  I don't 
believe that they should be used routinely or for social reasons.  We don't 
give people the choice of having social xrays, CT scans etc - because there are 
potential negative aspects of their use.  We only use these technologies 
when we have an indication, not because someone wants to see a picture of their 
brain, etc.
 
Routine use of ultrasounds only serves to fill the 
pockets of private companies.
 
Well, that's my say.
 
Jacky
 
 
 
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

[Aviva Sheb'a]

I won't bother going into how I feel about it. You 
probably can work it out anyway, but I just HAVE to ask: What did the monkeys 
feel/think about it? How did they react? How were the baby monkeys? Were there 
any side-effects? How many years have passed since the monkey trials and what 
the results of the follow-ups? 
 
and what about we who've enjoyed having long 
labours??? If you had these drugs to speed up labour, how do you know you 
wouldn't have had a wonderful, natural labour and birth anyway? 
aviva
 

 


a proposed drug to reduce the time of first labour 
to 2-3 hours by softening the collagen in the cervix! The scientists reckon it 
doesn't hurt more, (but then again they might have been blokes :-)). Website 
listed below.
Love Kate
PS What about all those women who were already 
going to have quick births??

 http://www.ivenus.com/family/news/LC-notebook1-wk40.asp 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers

[Denise Hynd]

Dear Andrea
I am interested i used to review when I was a nurse educatior so you can put
me down as midwife, consumer educator, and lactation
> consultant etc.
Denise Hynd
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers


> Hi Andrea,
>
> I would be happy to be a book reviewer.
>
>
> NameRobin Moon
> Postal address   16 Chester Street Epping
> Phone number98691211
> Area of interest/expertise:Midwifery
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:50 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers
>
>
> > Hi listers,
> >
> > We are once again looking for volunteers to add to our team of book
> > reviewers. Each year we receive a number of new tiles that we add to our
> > list on the web site and in our catalogue and as a service to our
> > customers, we like to be able to point buyers to a review of the book to
> > give them an idea of its style and content.
> >
> > We need approximately another 10 people at this time (we still have some
> > reviewers on our panel from almost 2 years ago) and are looking for
those
> > with varied backgrounds: midwives, consumers, educators, lactation
> > consultants etc.
> >
> > Before you rush in to reply, please don't offer unless you can promise
to
> > send a review within 2 months of receiving a book. You will be able to
> keep
> > the book in return for your review, but this is not just an easy way to
> get
> > a free book - we are asking you to do some work for us first!
> >
> > As we have a range of titles available, we will try to match the book
with
> > your area of interest. An outline of how to prepare the review will be
> > included. We are hoping to have all reviews completed and on our web
site
> > by the end of January.
> >
> > If you are interested, please email me the following details:
> >
> > Name
> > Postal address
> > Phone number
> > Area of interest/expertise
> >
> > Thank you for your interest,
> >
> > Andrea Robertson
> >
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[ozmidwifery] Fw: (no subject)

[Rhonda]

  Not a bad bunch for the w/e. 
  Luv
  Rhonda.   
      
  He SaidShe Said... (10) He said..."I don't know why you 
  wear a bra; you've got nothing to put in it." She said..."You wear 
  briefs, don't you?">(9) She said..."What do you mean by coming home 
  half drunk?" He said... "It's not my fault...I ran out of 
  money."(8) He said... "Since I first laid eyes on you, I've wanted to 
  make loveto you in the worst way." She said..."Well, you 
  succeeded."(7) He said... "Two inches more, and I would be king." 
  She said..."Two inches less, and you'd be a queen."(6) On wall in 
  ladies room: "My husband follows me everywhere." Written just below 
  it: "I do not."(5) He said... "Shall we try a different position 
  tonight?"  She said..."That's a good idea you stand by the 
  ironing board while I siton the sofa and fart."(4) Priest said... 
  "I don' t think you will ever find another man likeyour late 
  husband."  She said... "Who's gonna look?"(3) He said... 
  "What have you been doing with all the grocery money I gave you?" "She 
  said..."Turn sideways and look in the mirror. "(2) He said ... "Let's 
  go out and have some fun tonight." "She said...Okay, but if you get 
  home before I do, leave the hallway light on." And the number 
  (1)He said... "Why don't you tell me when you have an orgasm? " 
  She said..."I would, but you said not to call you at work. 
  "
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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[ozmidwifery] Fw: How The World Works

[Rhonda]

   
   
  Oh how true!
  Rhonda
   
      
  How the World Works Let's see if I understand how the world works lately...If a man cuts 
  his finger off while slicing salami at 
  work,he blames the 
  restaurant. If you smoke three packs a day for 40 years and die of lung cancer,your family 
  blames the tobacco company. If your neighbor crashes into a tree while driving 
  home drunk, he blames the bartender. If your grandchildren are brats without 
  manners,you blame 
  television.If your friend is shot by a deranged 
  madman,you blame the 
  gun manufacturer. And if a crazed person breaks into the cockpit and 
  tries to kill the pilot at 35,000 feet, and the passengers kill him 
  instead, the mother of the crazed deceased blames the airline. 
  I must have lived too long to understand the world as it is anymore. 
  So, if I die while my old, wrinkled butt is parked 
  in front of this computer,I want you to 
  blame Bill Gates...okay?
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: [ozmidwifery] accreditation

[Denise Hynd]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] accreditation



Dear Laraine
Well done and changing your personal status as 
well!!
Is that thru ECU or Curtin??Congratulations all 
round
Denise

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jan 
  Robinson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:14 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  accreditation
  On 4/11/02 10:36 AM, "Laraine Hood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hi, I am currently undertaking my 
Masters in Mid, tackling the subject of accreditation/credentialling of 
independent midwives. In the light of current PI issues, and the NMAP push, 
I felt that all efforts at improving the 'professional image' would be 
positive. But, I am having great difficulty finding appropriate references. 
 I am aware of the ACMI guidelines and work for the Community Midwifery 
Program of WA but need to know what 'accreditation/credentialling is 
available for other MWs particularly in other states, but also other 
countries.  Also thanks Rhonda for the ant story... I am also trying 
that approach of 'God I know these references are out there, please help me 
find them'.  I have noticed a distinct lack of ants in the Library 
though where I spend much time so maybe I need to take up rock climbing. 
 Thanks, all help is appreciated, Laraine. Hi 
  LaraineIn NZ all midwife practitioners who take on their own case-load 
  reflect on their practice on a regular basis and submit their records to the 
  NZ College of Midwives annually. If the self-reflection process reveals some 
  perceived inadequacies in her practice the midwife can ask for a College 
  assessor to give guidance.It is one of the best systems to maintain 
  credentialling standards that I have ever seen and I’m sure you could get 
  details by emailing Karen Guilliland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . I’m not sure 
  if this is still her email address but give it a try.Good luck with your 
  search, the NZ College would probably have references for you as 
  well.CheersJan__ Jan 
  Robinson 
     Phone/fax: 
  011+ 61+ 2+ 9546 4350 Independent Midwife Practitioner  
        e-mail: 
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[ozmidwifery] Fw: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

[Denise Hynd]

 
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From: Virginia Miltrup 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: [MCNSW] more interventions for labour!

a proposed drug to reduce the time of first labour 
to 2-3 hours by softening the collagen in the cervix! The scientists reckon it 
doesn't hurt more, (but then again they might have been blokes :-)). Website 
listed below.
Love Kate
PS What about all those women who were already 
going to have quick births??

 http://www.ivenus.com/family/news/LC-notebook1-wk40.asp 

less labour? If only childbirth weren't such hard work. it may soon get 
easier, thanks to a new drug.
The move is on to shorten childbirth via a new drug that is due to be tested 
later this year, according to a report in the New Scientist.
The theory is that a shorter labour should be less painful and require less 
intervention on the part of doctors. The average time that most first-time mums 
spend in labour is around 18 hours, and while this can be speeded up with 
prostaglandin gels or synthetic hormones, these drugs can make labour unbearably 
painful and may make women feel the urge to push before the cervix is fully 
opened. This in itself can lead to complications. 
The new drug, developed and patented by Britain's Medical Research Council, 
may cut the average labour down to only two or three hours. Most of the long, 
painful hours of labour are spent as the cervix slowly opens from tightly closed 
to 10 centimetres. 
Many women feel they have been in labour forever and rush into the hospital 
expecting to deliver instantly only to be told they are just two or three 
centimetres dilated! For most women (although there are those who have quick 
births), dilation of the cervix is a slow process. The new drug, however, is 
designed to speed up this process by softening the collagen in the cervix. It is 
likely to be administered either through gel, cream, microcapsules or injection, 
although as yet it is not known what form it will take. So far it has only been 
tested on monkeys. In these cases, the Scottish firm Ardana Bioscience, which 
has the licence for the new drug, reports it worked very effectively.
By Marianne 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?

[Denise Hynd]

Dear All 
Thank you for your responses
Turns out Angela was emailing my  old address
Denise
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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?


> Dear Denise
> Angela Pridham may be contacted through Wollongong Hospital where she is
> the acting area clinical midwifery educator for the Illawarra Area
> Health Service . Sorry don't know her email but the phone number should
> be easy enough to find from directory assistance.
> Cheers
> Ann Grieve
> 
> Julie Clarke wrote:
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Good on you! Ask Edwina about 
Belly/Improvisation/Afro/Cuban classes! I think I'm the process of devising a 
new weekend workshop type thing to take on tour...any takers???
Aviva
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From: Lynne 
Staff 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

I 
agree - so sensual and, well, you just have to see it  (dance it) to 
believe it! 

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'aSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 4:41 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth
  ah, now for letting it go, Afro-Cuban dance is 
  the way to go! 
  grins,
  aviva
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth
  In a message dated 11/14/02 8:25:54 AM W. Australia 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Ah, yes! and it's wonderful what happens to the perineum, 
vagina, bladder and the whole woman when Belly Dance is taken up. I heartily 
recommend it! Ditto 
  with ballet dancing.  I did ballet as a child and into adulthood.  I 
  hadn't realised how much I had used my pelvic floor muscles and all the rest 
  during my ballet training, until I started doing pelvic floor exercises during 
  pregnancy.  When our CBE teacher took us through pelvic floor exercises, 
  I suddenly realised that I had been regularly - and by that I mean many times 
  a day - exercising my pelvic floor, as a result of the ballet training that I 
  had done.The big trouble for me, was actually being able to let me 
  pelvic floor "go".Debbie SlaterPerth, WA 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.

[Rhonda]

  If I am right here it does not give you insurance as a compant just 
  the reassurance that if anyone were to take legal ac6tion against you that 
  they cannot get anything as it is all under the compant umbrella and 
  therefore ca't be claimed against.
  I am not quite sure of this but think it is how it works.
  Any legal eagals out there know any more than me??
   
  Regards
  Rhonda
   
   
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Saturday, 
  November 16, 2002 10:10:09
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: 
  [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.
   
  Jane, how have you organised your 
  insurance as a company then? There is a group of us on the Sunshine Coast 
  who would consider doing the same thing. Looking forward to hearing from 
  you!
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jane 
PalmerSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 7:30 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 
Thoughts on insurance.
Dear Rhonda
 
I work in a practice of 4 midwives 
and we decided to incorporate due to the legal advice we received. We 
are now known as Sydney Midwifery Practice Pty Ltd. 
 
It has been a big process and we are 
still learning. There are many rules once you become incorporated - from 
BAS, to taxation issues and super. We are still learning and am finding 
it time consuming. But it is unfortunately necessary.
 
Cheers
 
Jane Palmer
Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery 
Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au 

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  RhondaSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 12:01 
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  [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.
  


  
 
Our solicitor, in light of our situation, and not being 
able to get insurance has suggested that we become 
Incorporated.  
Because they have to sue us personally as the person who 
performed the procedure - all of our assets would then be owned 
by the company and could not be touched by personal 
litigation.  
I guess this is something we never thought we would need to 
do but I was thinking that midwives who are working without 
insurance could do the same thing and therefore protect 
themselves at least from personal litigation.
 
I know it does not solve the problem - a bit like the "form 
to fill out" it is just another measure to protect 
oneself.
 
Has anyone else considered this option?
 
Regards
Rhonda

  

  
  



   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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[ozmidwifery] Fw: Should Kids Witness A Birth ?

[Rhonda]

  Stay Happy
  Rhonda. 
  Subject:  should kids witness birth?Should kids witness a 
  birth? A true  story:  Short and VERY funny!It was late 
  at night  and Heidi, who was expecting her second child washome 
  alone with  her 3-year old daughter Katelyn. When Heidi started 
  going into labor, she called "911".Due to a power outage at 
  the time,  only one paramedic responded to thecall.  The 
  house was very,  very dark, so the paramedic asked Katelyn tohold 
  a flashlight high over her mommy so he could see while he helped 
  deliverthe baby. Very diligently, Katelyn did as she was 
  asked.Heidi  pushed and pushed, and after a little while 
  Connor was born. Theparamedic lifted him by his little feet and 
  spanked him on his bottom.Connor began to cry.The paramedic 
  then thanked Katelyn for her help and asked the wide-eyed3-year old 
  what she thought about what she had just witnessed.Katelyn quickly 
  responded, "He shouldn't have  crawled in there in thefirst 
  place. Spank him  again!"
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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RE: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.

[Lynne Staff]

Jane, how have you organised your insurance 
as a company then? There is a group of us on the Sunshine Coast who would 
consider doing the same thing. Looking forward to hearing from you!

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jane 
  PalmerSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 7:30 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts 
  on insurance.
  Dear Rhonda
   
  I work in a practice of 4 midwives and we 
  decided to incorporate due to the legal advice we received. We are now known 
  as Sydney Midwifery Practice Pty Ltd. 
   
  It has been a big process and we are still 
  learning. There are many rules once you become incorporated - from BAS, to 
  taxation issues and super. We are still learning and am finding it time 
  consuming. But it is unfortunately necessary.
   
  Cheers
   
  Jane Palmer
  Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery 
  Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au 
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
RhondaSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 12:01 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on 
insurance.

  

   
  Our solicitor, in light of our situation, and not being able to 
  get insurance has suggested that we become Incorporated.  
  Because they have to sue us personally as the person who 
  performed the procedure - all of our assets would then be owned by the 
  company and could not be touched by personal litigation.  
  I guess this is something we never thought we would need to do 
  but I was thinking that midwives who are working without insurance 
  could do the same thing and therefore protect themselves at least from 
  personal litigation.
   
  I know it does not solve the problem - a bit like the "form to 
  fill out" it is just another measure to protect oneself.
   
  Has anyone else considered this option?
   
  Regards
  Rhonda
  

  


  
  
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.

[Lynne Staff]

I admit I had, but it would still 
be difficult (?impossible) to find an underwriter who was willing to insure 
Midwives in the current climate, whether they be a 
company or a single practitioner. In light of what Vanessa Owens told us 
yesterday at an excellent workshop in Nambour, the College has tried very hard 
to find a resolution to this situation and is still working on it, but there is 
still a long way to go.   

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  RhondaSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:01 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on 
  insurance.
  


  
 
Our solicitor, in light of our situation, and not being able to get 
insurance has suggested that we become Incorporated.  
Because they have to sue us personally as the person who performed 
the procedure - all of our assets would then be owned by the company and 
could not be touched by personal litigation.  
I guess this is something we never thought we would need to do but 
I was thinking that midwives who are working without insurance could do 
the same thing and therefore protect themselves at least from personal 
litigation.
 
I know it does not solve the problem - a bit like the "form to fill 
out" it is just another measure to protect oneself.
 
Has anyone else considered this option?
 
Regards
Rhonda

  

  
  


  
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on insurance.

[Jane Palmer]

Dear Rhonda
 
I work in a practice of 4 midwives and we 
decided to incorporate due to the legal advice we received. We are now known as 
Sydney Midwifery Practice Pty Ltd. 
 
It has been a big process and we are still 
learning. There are many rules once you become incorporated - from BAS, to 
taxation issues and super. We are still learning and am finding it time 
consuming. But it is unfortunately necessary.
 
Cheers
 
Jane Palmer
Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery 
Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au 

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  RhondaSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 12:01 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thoughts on 
  insurance.
  


  
 
Our solicitor, in light of our situation, and not being able to get 
insurance has suggested that we become Incorporated.  
Because they have to sue us personally as the person who performed 
the procedure - all of our assets would then be owned by the company and 
could not be touched by personal litigation.  
I guess this is something we never thought we would need to do but 
I was thinking that midwives who are working without insurance could do 
the same thing and therefore protect themselves at least from personal 
litigation.
 
I know it does not solve the problem - a bit like the "form to fill 
out" it is just another measure to protect oneself.
 
Has anyone else considered this option?
 
Regards
Rhonda

  

  
  


  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help

[Kirsten Blacker]

As well as an LC (and I'm assuming an IBCLC here) she might find some help
and support from her local ABA group, particularly with prevention and
alternative treatments
Kirsten
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From: "Lyle Burgoyne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help


Hi Jo, I have used the following with very good results(recommended from a
friend who runs a breastfeeding clinic)
TakeFish oil 4000mg
Evening primrose oil 2000mg
Vitamin C  4000mg
Take these every day while breastfeeding.
Take half in the morning and half at night with meals.If there is any sign
of breast redness or pain increase the vit C to 8000mg.Some forms of vit c
are easier tolerated than others and the mother may need to experiment with
this.I have found www.goldenglow,com.au very reasonable in there prices for
these products and there delivery has always been quick. Hope this helps
Lyle

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/02 12:19am >>>
Jo, I'm a midwife in South of Tasmania, Bruny Island actually. I'll make a
few phone calls over the weekend & seek out a homeopath in the NW of
Tasmania. I'll post details on the list as soon as I can.  Other listers in
Tas may have some info too. Helen Grainger

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers

[Lyle Burgoyne]

As we have a range of titles available, we will try to match the book with 
your area of interest. An outline of how to prepare the review will be 
included. We are hoping to have all reviews completed and on our web site 
by the end of January.

If you are interested, please email me the following details:

Name Lyle Burgoyne
Postal address22a Park Ave Murwillumbah NSW 2484
Phone number0266728372/0404 491 218
Area of interest/expertise Midwife  ,Breastfeeding
Thank you for your interest,

Andrea Robertson

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help

[Lyle Burgoyne]

Sorry I was typing this at work with a baby attached in the mie ti and must have hit 
the wrong key. This is the correct address www.goldenglow.com.au Hope that works 
better  Lyle

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/02 01:45am >>>
Hi Jo, I have used the following with very good results(recommended from a friend who 
runs a breastfeeding clinic)
TakeFish oil 4000mg
Evening primrose oil 2000mg
Vitamin C  4000mg
Take these every day while breastfeeding.
Take half in the morning and half at night with meals.If there is any sign of breast 
redness or pain increase the vit C to 8000mg.Some forms of vit c are easier tolerated 
than others and the mother may need to experiment with this.I have found 
www.goldenglow,com.au very reasonable in there prices for these products and there 
delivery has always been quick. Hope this helps   Lyle

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/02 12:19am >>>
Jo, I'm a midwife in South of Tasmania, Bruny Island actually. I'll make a
few phone calls over the weekend & seek out a homeopath in the NW of
Tasmania. I'll post details on the list as soon as I can.  Other listers in
Tas may have some info too. Helen Grainger

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help

[Lyle Burgoyne]

Hi Jo, I have used the following with very good results(recommended from a friend who 
runs a breastfeeding clinic)
TakeFish oil 4000mg
Evening primrose oil 2000mg
Vitamin C  4000mg
Take these every day while breastfeeding.
Take half in the morning and half at night with meals.If there is any sign of breast 
redness or pain increase the vit C to 8000mg.Some forms of vit c are easier tolerated 
than others and the mother may need to experiment with this.I have found 
www.goldenglow,com.au very reasonable in there prices for these products and there 
delivery has always been quick. Hope this helps   Lyle

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/02 12:19am >>>
Jo, I'm a midwife in South of Tasmania, Bruny Island actually. I'll make a
few phone calls over the weekend & seek out a homeopath in the NW of
Tasmania. I'll post details on the list as soon as I can.  Other listers in
Tas may have some info too. Helen Grainger

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help

[HELEN]

Jo, I'm a midwife in South of Tasmania, Bruny Island actually. I'll make a
few phone calls over the weekend & seek out a homeopath in the NW of
Tasmania. I'll post details on the list as soon as I can.  Other listers in
Tas may have some info too. Helen Grainger

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[ozmidwifery] RE: Seeking Sri Lanka Midwife

[P & A Koziol]

Dear List  (especially Melbourne 
Listers)
 
have just come from a meeting where someone else 
had the brilliant idea of touching base with Heather Harris. Can anyone help me 
with her email or other contact details?
 
Alesa
 
Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery 
EducatorMelbourne

[ozmidwifery] Recurring Mastitis Help

[Jo Slamen]

Hello List,

I have a dear friend, Jenny, whose first baby, a 9lb 13oz boy was born in
Burnie, Tasmania on October 8.  In his short life thus far, mother has had
mastitis 2x, and is currently with bout #3.  She is dedicated to
breastfeeding but this is knocking her around and it has hubby wishing she
would give breastfeeding away.

I recommended trying to find a homoeopath to avoid yet more a/biotics in
case of another go, but don't know of any in NW Tassie (she lives near
Ulverstone).  I wondered if anyone on the list knows of someone?

She is seeing an LC quite a bit which is great, and the LC's strategy is
working on moderating Jen's supply.  Jen's had pretty badly damaged nipples
too, and wondered if the mastitis is infective - I'm not sure if her nipples
are damaged still now (I spoke to her other half tonight and didn't ask
him).  Bub is gaining weight well, 250-300gs/week - not massive (though more
than adequate) - so I wondered whether blaming oversupply was justified.

I would love to see Jen go on to breastfeed for a lot longer than 5 weeks,
for her and baby's sake, and wondered if any of you can recommend someone
fabulous on the NW coast of Tas.

Jo Slamen


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

[Lynne Staff]

I 
agree - so sensual and, well, you just have to see it  (dance it) to 
believe it! 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva 
  Sheb'aSent: Friday, 15 November 2002 4:41 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's 
  birth
  ah, now for letting it go, Afro-Cuban dance is 
  the way to go! 
  grins,
  aviva
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth
  In a message dated 11/14/02 8:25:54 AM W. Australia 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Ah, yes! and it's wonderful what happens to the perineum, 
vagina, bladder and the whole woman when Belly Dance is taken up. I heartily 
recommend it! Ditto with ballet dancing.  I did ballet as a 
  child and into adulthood.  I hadn't realised how much I had used my 
  pelvic floor muscles and all the rest during my ballet training, until I 
  started doing pelvic floor exercises during pregnancy.  When our CBE 
  teacher took us through pelvic floor exercises, I suddenly realised that I had 
  been regularly - and by that I mean many times a day - exercising my pelvic 
  floor, as a result of the ballet training that I had done.The big 
  trouble for me, was actually being able to let me pelvic floor 
  "go".Debbie SlaterPerth, WA 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers

[Lynne Staff]

I am always willing to read and review, Andrea. Areas of interest include
but are not limited to midwifery practice, women's views and women's
experience, midwifery/maternity care culture, midwives experience of
practice, vaginal birth after cesarean, breech birth, reflective practice,
private sector midwifery, keeping birth normal, history of midwifery and
cross cultural issues - very broad interests. My (mail and phone)details you
have. Looking forward to reading!

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[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Andrea
Robertson
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 1:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Calling for book reviewers


Hi listers,

We are once again looking for volunteers to add to our team of book
reviewers. Each year we receive a number of new tiles that we add to our
list on the web site and in our catalogue and as a service to our
customers, we like to be able to point buyers to a review of the book to
give them an idea of its style and content.

We need approximately another 10 people at this time (we still have some
reviewers on our panel from almost 2 years ago) and are looking for those
with varied backgrounds: midwives, consumers, educators, lactation
consultants etc.

Before you rush in to reply, please don't offer unless you can promise to
send a review within 2 months of receiving a book. You will be able to keep
the book in return for your review, but this is not just an easy way to get
a free book - we are asking you to do some work for us first!

As we have a range of titles available, we will try to match the book with
your area of interest. An outline of how to prepare the review will be
included. We are hoping to have all reviews completed and on our web site
by the end of January.

If you are interested, please email me the following details:

Name
Postal address
Phone number
Area of interest/expertise

Thank you for your interest,

Andrea Robertson

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Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education

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