[ozmidwifery] ultrasounds.

[Barry MacGregor]

Dear all!
I am very happy to report that more and more women 
are questioning repeated ultrasounds and asking doctors if it is safe to have 
them.  Naturally, the doctors say " of course it is safe" and then do the 
just another neurotic woman eye roll.  Wonderful though that these women 
stand up for themselves, sad though that some midwives advocate the use of 
multiple ultrasounds and also state that they are safe.  However, with more 
assertive women the opportunity for midwifery lead care seems brighter, just a 
shame about those obstetric nurses, may they not be our downfall.
Love Sonja

Re: [ozmidwifery] re: Fellow midwife

[Anne Moore]

hi michael, I am at logan, in birth suite, I may be  able to assist if your
wife is booked in here.. ph 33883994. regards anne.- Original
Message -
From: "Michael Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] re: Fellow midwife


> Hi Joanne,
>
> Thank you for your kind email.  No I'm not from
> Brisbane so I really don't know anybody but one friend
> and my sister.  I have moved back to the East Coast
> (from WA) so that my family and I:
> a/ can access services (eg health) that are not
> available in the bush (despite what John Howard says).
>  And ...
> b/ be closer to family.
>
> This move is especially so for our son Lachlan's
> educational opportunities and the fact that we have
> another child on the way due mid-March.  My wife
> Nicola is booked into Logan Hospital where I have just
> came on board as a casual midwife to prepare the way
> (in more ways than one).  My wife Nicola does not know
> anyone to be confident enough to attempt a home birth.
>
> With our first born my wife stayed at home until we
> ran out of hot water and she was ready to go to
> hospital.  There the midwives examined her and
> discovered her cervix was fully dilated.  Shortly
> after my wife gave birth to a beautiful 3600g boy.
> Analgesia: hot water, massage and clary sage (our
> doula was a homeopathic aromatherapist masseuse).
> Home in just over 36hours (had to stay due to mec
> liquor).
>
> Standards at the local hospital have since declined
> with a local midwife telling me that the c/s rate was
> going from 9% back up to 25% in 2002.  Time for us to
> move on.  Plus we miss the shops!  We also are going
> to miss our doula!  I want to be at the birth as a
> father (and midwife second) so would love to find a
> doula replacement.
>
> Talk to you soon,
>
> Michael Hall
> Midwife, nurse, husband, father
> Brisbane
> 07 38031143 (no answering machine but I'm home every
> Mon to Wed)
> or 0417 058 244
>
> From: "Mrs joanne m fisher"
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fellow midwife
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:18:20 +1000
>
> Hi there,
> I read with interest your email on the Ozmid List. I
> am a midwife living in Brisbane (unfortunately working
> in the hospital system) and I'm not sure if you are
> from here or know many people, but if you would like
> to chat to a fellow midwife I can call you (I'll need
> your number) or you can call me on 07 33697782, though
> we do have an answering machine due to our shift work,
> so you may need to leave a message.
> Cheers, Joanne (Fisher).
>
>
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[ozmidwifery] re: Fellow midwife

[Michael Hall]

Hi Joanne,

Thank you for your kind email.  No I'm not from
Brisbane so I really don't know anybody but one friend
and my sister.  I have moved back to the East Coast
(from WA) so that my family and I: 
a/ can access services (eg health) that are not
available in the bush (despite what John Howard says).
 And ...
b/ be closer to family.

This move is especially so for our son Lachlan's
educational opportunities and the fact that we have
another child on the way due mid-March.  My wife
Nicola is booked into Logan Hospital where I have just
came on board as a casual midwife to prepare the way
(in more ways than one).  My wife Nicola does not know
anyone to be confident enough to attempt a home birth.

With our first born my wife stayed at home until we
ran out of hot water and she was ready to go to
hospital.  There the midwives examined her and
discovered her cervix was fully dilated.  Shortly
after my wife gave birth to a beautiful 3600g boy. 
Analgesia: hot water, massage and clary sage (our
doula was a homeopathic aromatherapist masseuse). 
Home in just over 36hours (had to stay due to mec
liquor).

Standards at the local hospital have since declined
with a local midwife telling me that the c/s rate was
going from 9% back up to 25% in 2002.  Time for us to
move on.  Plus we miss the shops!  We also are going
to miss our doula!  I want to be at the birth as a
father (and midwife second) so would love to find a
doula replacement.  

Talk to you soon,

Michael Hall
Midwife, nurse, husband, father
Brisbane
07 38031143 (no answering machine but I'm home every
Mon to Wed)
or 0417 058 244

From:   "Mrs joanne m fisher"
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Address Book
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Fellow midwife 
Date:   Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:18:20 +1000

Hi there,
I read with interest your email on the Ozmid List.  I
am a midwife living in Brisbane (unfortunately working
in the hospital system) and I'm not sure if you are
from here or know many people, but if you would like
to chat to a fellow midwife I can call you (I'll need
your number) or you can call me on 07 33697782, though
we do have an answering machine due to our shift work,
so you may need to leave a message.
Cheers, Joanne (Fisher). 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] place of birth and outcome[long]

[Anne Moore]

hi, i am working in the public hospital system 
after many years as a LMC in NZ prior to that in the UK this is for family 
reasons and the obvious insurance issues, but mainly family at this time. I work 
in birthsuite, generally a lower socio-economic area, i work with like minded 
midwives, but over time they themselves are not empowered, so in effect unable 
to empower women. i am in a senior position so i have no problems with the 
medical fraternity as my knowledge base is greater than their's, if policies 
become involved in the  birth process , women can be informed and 
supported, women i care for have lovely 
active births, policies are guidelines that with experienced practitioners 
can be seen to be worked with. I do feel that a great deal of time 
women are not educated adequatly antenatally and generally request shared 
care with a GP that has not been involved in the syatem for a period of time. 
women need to support the midwives clinics available and request continuity of 
care for their birth experience. we as midwives will continue to try to 
acheive this and will endeavour to implement a team model, i also believe that 
by gently supporting , educating and nurturing our midwives, colleagues and 
women, progress can be acheived. one main problem i see is the large number 
of IOL's at 40+7  i believe that a term pregnancy is 38-42 weeks 
gestation, over the years have known many women to birth at 42 weeks, but 
this will not exist in time. when discussing this with women i find that it is 
generally " if the doctor thinks its ok !!" or i am tired and when its over 
the sooner the better !!! there is a definate lack of understanding of the 
birth process etc. the key education, my daughters believe in the birth process, 
i was born at home in the uk. women need to believe in their ability to achieve 
great things.i feel i am a complete midwife, i do not need medical input when 
caring for women, i always make myself approachable to my colleagues, 
and allow them to practice as midwives,i am clear and firm with mo's i 
educate them , anyway the summary of this garble is that contiuity of care 
is the key, empowering women including midwives, consumer's and midwives 
supporting NMAP educating Doctors, been accountable, first to the woman and 
her family, then to the system, working in partnership with the family etc 
etc. horizontal violence is, in my opinion related to professionall jealously, 
and their own lack of experience in the normal process of birth, including 
fear.there should be a complaints process, maybe try to follow that, as we 
are consumers too, this is too long !!to finish i am not a hospital midwife, 
FIRSTLY, I am a woman and a mother, who has the privilage of working in 
partnership with women and their families during their birth 
experience,  secondly, my "title" for this wonderful role in 
Australia is "Clincal Nurse Midwife " in NZ " Lead Maternity Carer" in UK 
"Midwife." hope this helps regards Anne.--- Original Message 
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  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:26 
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  Subject: [ozmidwifery] place of birth and 
  outcome[long]
  
  Happy New Year, 
   
  This year I have attended 6 births 
  Some dec babies were late [10.12 and 15 days] and 
  1 jan baby early [38plus]   and 2 on time which resulted in one baby 
  on the 2nd of jan and then 5 births in 4 days.
    2 pg homebirths; 1 mg home birth; one 
  private hosp vbac; and 1pg birth centre ; and 1 birth centre 
  mg.
  ONLY 4 of these 6 women had 
  nvds.
   
  All had myself with them and were cared for at 
  home even if planning a home birth.All were well prepared for normal birth I 
  think all could have had a normal birth.
   
  So whats the piont of this Can you guess who had 
  the c/s and who had the forceps I really think u could and if so why do we 
  continue to practise like we do ? or why don't things change.
   Sue Cookson explained the abuse of her 
  client last week 
  and I again 
  witnessed the same the horizontal abuse towards MIPP is horrific 
  why?
   
   WHERE ARE THE MIDWIVES IN THE MEDICAL 
  MODELS i REALLY EXPECT THEM TO STAND UP AND PRACTISE OR TAKE ON THEIR 
  HANDMAIDEN ROLES OF PATHETIC DRS HELPERS,AND[ ALL THIS WELL U HAVE A LIVE BABY 
  STUFF BE HAPPY,] AS WHAT THEY DO .
  One couple said to me they thought the midwife 
  was the ctg technician that mw was her mw for 8 hrs.
  There are fantastic mws working in the system BUT 
  they are rare perhaps women are punished if they have a MIPP with them 
  ?
  What can we do to prevent abuse to women during 
  childbirth tired angry mw who isn't content with 6 healthy babies 

  sorry about length please Hospital midwives give 
  me some insight . jan 
     

[ozmidwifery] [Ozmidwifery] placenta drying

[Laraine Hood]

I have a client who has successfully dried her 
placenta using the salt method, (baby born 3/11/02). It now is pale pink 
& white with deep red streaks and looks like an exotic lily in shape 
complete with stalk (cord) attached.  She now wants to know if she needs to 
put oil on it to 'condition' it like leather needs, or whether just to leave 
it  Any experience/suggestions I can pass on? Thanks Laraine 

[ozmidwifery] place of birth and outcome[long]

[jireland]

Happy New Year, 
 
This year I have attended 6 births 
Some dec babies were late [10.12 and 15 days] and 1 
jan baby early  [38plus]   and 2 on time  which resulted in one baby 
on the 2nd of jan and then 5 births in 4 days.
  2 pg homebirths; 1 mg home birth; one 
private hosp vbac; and 1pg birth centre ; and 1 birth centre 
mg.
ONLY 4 of these 6 women had nvds.
 
All had myself with them and were cared for at home 
even if planning a home birth.All were well prepared for normal birth I think 
all could have had a normal birth.
 
So whats the piont of this Can you guess who had 
the c/s and who had the forceps I really think u could and if so why do we 
continue to practise like we do ? or why don't things change.
 Sue Cookson explained the abuse of her client 
last week 
and I again 
witnessed the same the horizontal abuse towards MIPP is horrific 
why?
 
 WHERE ARE THE MIDWIVES IN THE MEDICAL MODELS 
i REALLY EXPECT THEM TO STAND UP AND PRACTISE OR TAKE ON THEIR HANDMAIDEN ROLES 
OF PATHETIC DRS HELPERS,AND[ ALL THIS WELL U HAVE A LIVE BABY STUFF BE HAPPY,] 
AS WHAT THEY DO .
One couple said to me they thought the midwife was 
the ctg technician that mw was her mw for 8 hrs.
There are fantastic mws working in the system BUT 
they are rare perhaps women are punished if they have a MIPP with them 
?
What can we do to prevent abuse to women during 
childbirth tired angry mw who isn't content with 6 healthy babies 
sorry about length please Hospital midwives give me 
some insight . jan