Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the paper ...

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 



Sued? Sued? How about strung up by the 
...fill in the blanks.
Aviva
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... that a US OB is being sued for branding a women's uterus 
with the sign of his alma mater (the University of Kentucky) during a 
hysterectomy.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA 
 
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[ozmidwifery] Fw: Mild mannered man

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 




 

A mild-mannered man was tired of being bossed around by his 
wife; so he went to a psychiatrist.  The psychiatrist said he 
needed to build his self-esteem, and so gave him a book on assertiveness, 
which he read on the way home.  He had finished the book by the 
time he reached his house.  The man stormed into the house and 
walked up to his wife. Pointing a  finger in her face, he said, "From 
now on, I want you to know that *I*  am the man of this house, and my 
word is law! I want you to prepare me a gourmet meal tonight, and when I'm 
finished eating my meal, I expect a sumptuous dessert afterward. Then, after 
dinner, you're going to draw me my bath so I can relax. And when I'm 
finished with my bath, guess who's going to dress me and comb my hair? 
  "The funeral director," said his wife. 
 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 



...er...this is a joke, isn't it! I know 
she'd want to watch her figure, but to give birth through the foot is taking it 
a bit far. Sort of a female take on shooting oneself through the 
foot???
aviva
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birth

This information was passed to me today from a an NCT 
colleague:"The Telegraph reports today that Claudia Schiffer had a baby 
boy yesterday at the Portland by cs . ' She had been hoping for a natural 
birth  but was advised against it because she had injured her 
foot'.  "Oh well ...Debbie SlaterPerth, WA 
 
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[ozmidwifery] Fw: Cute kid stuff

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 




 


  A collection of funny but true stories about the way kids 
  think.I was driving with my three young children one warm 
  summer evening when a woman in the convertible ahead of us stood up and waved. 
  She was stark naked! As I was reeling from the shock, I heard my five-year-old 
  shout from the back seat, "Mom! That lady isn't wearing a seat 
  belt!"___My son Zachary, 4, came screaming 
  out of the bathroom to tell me he'd dropped his toothbrush in the toilet. So I 
  fished it out and threw it in the garbage. Zachary stood there thinking for a 
  moment, then ran to my bathroom and came out with my toothbrush. He held it up 
  and said with a charming little smile, "We better throw this one out too then, 
  'cause it fell in the toilet a few days 
  ago."___On the first day of school, a 
  first grader handed his teacher a note from his mother. The note read, "The 
  opinions expressed by this child are not necessarily those of his 
  parents."___A woman was trying hard to get 
  the catsup to come out of the jar. During her struggle the phone rang so she 
  asked her four-year old daughter to answer the phone. "It's the minister, 
  Mommy," the child said to her mother. Then she added, "Mommy can't come to the 
  phone to talk to you right now. She's hitting the 
  bottle."___A little boy got lost at the 
  YMCA and found himself in the women's locker room. When he was spotted, the 
  room burst into shrieks, with ladies grabbing towels and running for cover. 
  The little boy watched in amazement and then asked, "What's the matter haven't 
  you ever seen a little boy 
  before?"___BIBLEA little boy 
  opened the big family bible. He was fascinated as he fingered through the old 
  pages. Suddenly, something fell out of the Bible. He picked up the object and 
  looked at it. What he saw was an old leaf that had been pressed in between the 
  pages. "Mama, look what I found", the boy called out. "What have you got 
  there, dear"? With astonishment in the young boy's voice, he answered, "I 
  think it's Adam's 
  underwear!"___

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the paper ...

2003-01-31 Thread Lynne Staff 



You have GOT to be kidding!

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  ...
  ... that a US OB is being sued for branding a women's 
  uterus with the sign of his alma mater (the University of Kentucky) during a 
  hysterectomy.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 



Oh gees, Pinky, that's classic! I don't 
care what's going on in my life when you're in Adelaide, I have a VERY 
comfortable velour double air mattress that just fits on my lounge floor and 
you're not allowed to stay anywhere else. Or, if you prefer, I'll sleep in the 
lounge and you can use my waterbed. Only I'm NOT going to lend you any of my 
personal women's toys!
In stitches,
Aviva
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture 

Hi
Aviva -I dont wear a wedding ring either even tho I 
did get married. my finger grew out of it years ago and since my husband 
doesnt wear one I dont see why I should. Actually, when I was a little girl and 
 asked my mummy how do you make babies? she told me "when you get married 
and sleep with your husband they come -I (smart kid that I was) replied well how 
come you have only had 3 babies and Dottie Huta has 9 kids and you sleep with 
Daddy every night? -Ha stumped her there!!!
 
Actually I was so in stitches about Midge as the PR 
girl was describing her to me that I couldnt resist asking (tongue firmly 
in my cheek) "Im not sure about this -is she married?"
 "oh yes Pr girl  replied very seriously 
-her wedding story is on the box!" Then I cracked up and spoilt it all as 
she realised I was only joking.
 
I simply cant be serious -and one of my lovely 
props happens to be  a 1957 book about talking to children about childbirth 
and sex -it is a total hoot -I just wanna read a page out loud!! My Monday 
interview will be live and is with Yvonne Adele (alias Ms Megabyte) I have done 
several interviews with her before shes good fun and has a nine year old and a 
baby about 11months old -shes very pro breastfeeding so is possibly ok about 
birth too. Dunno about Barbies tho-
 
actually another concern about Midge in teh US was 
that she would be encouraging teen pregnancies -not sure how little girls would 
be able to figure out how she got that way from her (and hubby Alan's ) 
equipment - when my girls were little they used to play families with the 
Barbies - the Fisher price little people were the children and Action man was 
always the Daddy -I dont think they thought Ken was quite up to it -I remember 
Barbie driving a (tonka) truck one day while Daddy (Action Man)  minded the 
babies -Larissa was a right madam and bossed the little boy she was playing with 
-told him to give the baby ezpressed milk if she wasnt back when the baby woke 
up!!
 
Another day she also shocked hell out of a 
neighbour when she "gave birth" to a doll who was tucked up her dress -she made 
some very realistic noises -squatted and "dropped" the baby then pulled up her 
shirt and breastfed -she was about 3 years old and Sarah was a baby at the time 
-Neighbour was a right prude with one 4 year old girl - this neighbour even 
ironed underpants so probably thought I (who barely recognised an iron) was 
quite a savage anyway - so of course would have savage children!
I am looking forward to some funny interviews - 
mattel may or may not be amused!!
 
The last pregnant doll was a Judy doll -I have an 
American friend called Judy so she reminded me of teh name.
 
Pinky. 
PS -yes lets just ship a boat load of Happy Family 
dolls to Iran and save the chilren !!
 
 

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  "barbie" picture 
  
  Here's a link from the same page. If 
  Barbie dolls are having such an effect on Iranian children as they say in the 
  article, then all George Dubbya has to do is wait ten years and Iran will be 
  all-American. Much less messy, they could argue. 
   
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1856558.stm
   
  Humble apologies for tongue in 
  cheek.
  Aviva
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  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture 
  
  YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO 
  HAD A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE.  THE FRONT OF THE 
  ABDOMEN CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE.   USED IT TO SHOW 
  WOMEN VARIOUS POSITIONS OF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLE ONES 
  THEIR SIBLING IN UTERO.  OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN 
  ONE SEASON.  Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM
  
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
"barbie" picture 

Hi,Me again;)
I've found a picture and some info on Midge, 
worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
It is suggested in this story that "Midge can 
help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic desc

Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread Leigh Evans 



Nice one Debby. Ha Ha. Leigh

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  Christ thats a worry, I'm glad I had my last two vaginally that was 
  relatively easy.  I don't think I would want to be pushing to try to 
  get the baby down my leg and out my foot - especially if my foot was already 
  sore.
  I had a good look at my foot too but am darned if I can find the opening 
  where the baby is NOW supposed to come out!!
  Debby 
  
  
  
  
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[ozmidwifery] Read in the paper ...

2003-01-31 Thread DebSlater 
... that a US OB is being sued for branding a women's uterus with the sign of his alma mater (the University of Kentucky) during a hysterectomy.

Debbie Slater
Perth, WA

[ozmidwifery] Neonatal glaucoma

2003-01-31 Thread Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital 
Another request for info. This time on neonatal glaucoma, baby was born at 32 weeks 
for placenta praevia and APH. Now 42 wks corrected age and still trying to establish 
breastfeeding. Discovered recently to have probable glaucoma and has an appointment 
with the neonatal opthalmologist next week. 
Need info on treatment and outcomes likely.
Thanks
Judy



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fenugreek.

2003-01-31 Thread Deliverywoman 
Just a note to remember with fenugreek - It is not advised to be taken by
diabetics as it interferes with blood sugars.  And as I found out the
hardway can also be passed to babe.  I was taking fenugreek approx. a week
prior to due date as I had a history of b/f problems, but babe on day 2
started to suffer extremely low blood sugars and had to be 'supped' to
increase his glucose levels, this was put down to my intake of fenugreek -
just something to keep in the back of your mind with babe etc.

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> Dear Judy
> Small world, this was something I was using during the week!!
> Recommended dosage 6000mg per day in divided doses of 2000mg TDS. Use
until
> milk comes in (although if there has been no dramatic improvement after
two
> weeks I would try domperidone or maxalon) and then cease. A response is
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fenugreek.

2003-01-31 Thread Alesa Koziol 
Dear Judy
Small world, this was something I was using during the week!!
Recommended dosage 6000mg per day in divided doses of 2000mg TDS. Use until
milk comes in (although if there has been no dramatic improvement after two
weeks I would try domperidone or maxalon) and then cease. A response is
usually seen within 72 hours.
Hope this helps

Cheers

Alesa

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Clinical Midwifery Educator
Melbourne
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[ozmidwifery] Claudia's c/section

2003-01-31 Thread Deliverywoman 
HA HA HA HA HA

Just had another thought,

I wonder if a podiatrist was consulted, and if their insurance premiums are
now going to skyrocket??

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FW: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread Sally Westbury 








Maybe it is
only for women with no sole…

 



Sally Westbury

Homebirth Midwife

 

"You are a midwife, assisting at someone
else's birth. Do good without  show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening
rather than what you think ought to be happening. If you must take the lead,
lead so that the mother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby
is born, the mother will rightly say: "We did it ourselves!"

 from The Tao
Te Ching



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Christ
thats a worry, I'm glad I had my last two vaginally that was relatively
easy.  I don't think I would want to be pushing to try to get the
baby down my leg and out my foot - especially if my foot was already sore.

I had a
good look at my foot too but am darned if I can find the opening where the baby
is NOW supposed to come out!!

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[ozmidwifery] Fenugreek.

2003-01-31 Thread Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital 
I have lost my brochure on fenugreek and need the info. Can anyone help me with 
relevant information?
Thanks 
Judy



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?

2003-01-31 Thread Darren Sunn 
Title: Message



Thanks to everyone who helped with my 
inquiry.
Caroline, My friend contacted Paul Bretz and is 
contacting Anne McLeod-Taylor.
She also has setup an interview with the 
Birth-centre.
 
She is now feeling more confident and this is 
important to regain her confidence in her own abilities.
 
Thanks again,
 
Darren

Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread Lynne Staff 



HA HA HA HA 
MAkes me think of Arnold Schwartzenegger in the 
movie Junior when he was in labour grabbing onto his belly with each 
contraction. I thought - h. this man doesn't even have a 
uterus...
 
You know I forward these reasons for caesareans 
onto an obstetrician colleague of mine!!!

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  I just had another thought - would a baby that is going to be born via the 
  foot be a FOOTUS (foetus)  :-P
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Lynne Staff 



Heaven help us from having to "have graphic 
descriptions of the reproductive process" in discussions about birth with our 
children
 
I was at an antenatal visit the other day and 
arrived to find Adrienne role playing with her 2 year old daughter. Adrienne was down on her hands and knees on the 
floor making good birthing sounds, and Tash went stright around to Adrienne's 
"baby end" and lifeted the baby from between her legs - warmed the cockles of me 
heart to see this matter-of-fact scene!
 
Regards,Lynne

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  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:00 
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  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
  "barbie" picture 
  
  Hi,Me again;)
  I've found a picture and some info on Midge, 
  worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
  It is suggested in this story that "Midge can 
  help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of 
  the reproductive process".
  Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 
  I think this is a real hoot!
   Pinky your definitely going to have fun 
  with this one, keep us posted.
  Julie'',
   
  
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
"barbie" 

Hi ladies,
Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie 
is the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are 
you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some 
quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 

 
After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although 
the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of 
talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday 
at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and 
In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity 
to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth 
to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
 
The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on 
even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely 
off (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to 
see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina 
- a teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a 
trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be 
there when the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - 
there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she 
was pulled from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist 
actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come 
via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be 
some great debate.
 
What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
shaped Barbie for years!!
Would she be a collectors item?
Pinky 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread Debby M 


Christ thats a worry, I'm glad I had my last two vaginally that was relatively easy.  I don't think I would want to be pushing to try to get the baby down my leg and out my foot - especially if my foot was already sore.
I had a good look at my foot too but am darned if I can find the opening where the baby is NOW supposed to come out!!
Debby 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread Debby M 

I just had another thought - would a baby that is going to be born via the foot be a FOOTUS (foetus)  :-P
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[ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth

2003-01-31 Thread DebSlater 
This information was passed to me today from a an NCT colleague:

"The Telegraph reports today that Claudia Schiffer had a baby boy yesterday at 
the Portland by cs . ' She had been hoping for a natural birth  but was 
advised against it because she had injured her foot'.  "

Oh well ...

Debbie Slater
Perth, WA

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Pinky McKay 



Hi
Aviva -I dont wear a wedding ring either even tho I 
did get married. my finger grew out of it years ago and since my husband 
doesnt wear one I dont see why I should. Actually, when I was a little girl and 
 asked my mummy how do you make babies? she told me "when you get married 
and sleep with your husband they come -I (smart kid that I was) replied well how 
come you have only had 3 babies and Dottie Huta has 9 kids and you sleep with 
Daddy every night? -Ha stumped her there!!!
 
Actually I was so in stitches about Midge as the PR 
girl was describing her to me that I couldnt resist asking (tongue firmly 
in my cheek) "Im not sure about this -is she married?"
 "oh yes Pr girl  replied very seriously 
-her wedding story is on the box!" Then I cracked up and spoilt it all as 
she realised I was only joking.
 
I simply cant be serious -and one of my lovely 
props happens to be  a 1957 book about talking to children about childbirth 
and sex -it is a total hoot -I just wanna read a page out loud!! My Monday 
interview will be live and is with Yvonne Adele (alias Ms Megabyte) I have done 
several interviews with her before shes good fun and has a nine year old and a 
baby about 11months old -shes very pro breastfeeding so is possibly ok about 
birth too. Dunno about Barbies tho-
 
actually another concern about Midge in teh US was 
that she would be encouraging teen pregnancies -not sure how little girls would 
be able to figure out how she got that way from her (and hubby Alan's ) 
equipment - when my girls were little they used to play families with the 
Barbies - the Fisher price little people were the children and Action man was 
always the Daddy -I dont think they thought Ken was quite up to it -I remember 
Barbie driving a (tonka) truck one day while Daddy (Action Man)  minded the 
babies -Larissa was a right madam and bossed the little boy she was playing with 
-told him to give the baby ezpressed milk if she wasnt back when the baby woke 
up!!
 
Another day she also shocked hell out of a 
neighbour when she "gave birth" to a doll who was tucked up her dress -she made 
some very realistic noises -squatted and "dropped" the baby then pulled up her 
shirt and breastfed -she was about 3 years old and Sarah was a baby at the time 
-Neighbour was a right prude with one 4 year old girl - this neighbour even 
ironed underpants so probably thought I (who barely recognised an iron) was 
quite a savage anyway - so of course would have savage children!
I am looking forward to some funny interviews - 
mattel may or may not be amused!!
 
The last pregnant doll was a Judy doll -I have an 
American friend called Judy so she reminded me of teh name.
 
Pinky. 
PS -yes lets just ship a boat load of Happy Family 
dolls to Iran and save the chilren !!
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
  "barbie" picture 
  
  Here's a link from the same page. If 
  Barbie dolls are having such an effect on Iranian children as they say in the 
  article, then all George Dubbya has to do is wait ten years and Iran will be 
  all-American. Much less messy, they could argue. 
   
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1856558.stm
   
  Humble apologies for tongue in 
  cheek.
  Aviva
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture 
  
  YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO 
  HAD A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE.  THE FRONT OF THE 
  ABDOMEN CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE.   USED IT TO SHOW 
  WOMEN VARIOUS POSITIONS OF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLE ONES 
  THEIR SIBLING IN UTERO.  OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN 
  ONE SEASON.  Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Julie Garratt 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
"barbie" picture 

Hi,Me again;)
I've found a picture and some info on Midge, 
worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
It is suggested in this story that "Midge can 
help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions 
of the reproductive process".
Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 

I think this is a real hoot!
 Pinky your definitely going to have fun 
with this one, keep us posted.
Julie'',
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
  "barbie" 
  
  Hi ladies,
  Midge- Barbies best friend -is 
  pregnant(Barbie is the paediatrician) -arriving

[ozmidwifery] Health/Marriage/China

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 



Very interesting from British Medical 
Journal, about compulsory pre-marital health screening in China
 
http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7383/277?etoc
 
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[ozmidwifery] From British Medical Journal

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 



Thought you'd be interested in this 
article:
 

  Social costs of smoking are 
  triple those of illicit drugs    
   
  http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7383/242/a?etoc
   
The best of health to you,
 
Aviva
 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 



Here's a link from the same page. If 
Barbie dolls are having such an effect on Iranian children as they say in the 
article, then all George Dubbya has to do is wait ten years and Iran will be 
all-American. Much less messy, they could argue. 
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1856558.stm
 
Humble apologies for tongue in 
cheek.
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Mary Murphy 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture 

YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD 
A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE.  THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN 
CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE.   USED IT TO SHOW 
WOMEN VARIOUS POSITIONS OF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLE ONES THEIR 
SIBLING IN UTERO.  OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN ONE 
SEASON.  Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Garratt 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
  "barbie" picture 
  
  Hi,Me again;)
  I've found a picture and some info on Midge, 
  worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
  It is suggested in this story that "Midge can 
  help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of 
  the reproductive process".
  Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 
  I think this is a real hoot!
   Pinky your definitely going to have fun 
  with this one, keep us posted.
  Julie'',
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pinky McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
"barbie" 

Hi ladies,
Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie 
is the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are 
you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some 
quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 

 
After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although 
the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of 
talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday 
at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and 
In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity 
to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth 
to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
 
The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on 
even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely 
off (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to 
see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina 
- a teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a 
trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be 
there when the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - 
there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she 
was pulled from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist 
actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come 
via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be 
some great debate.
 
What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
shaped Barbie for years!!
Would she be a collectors item?
Pinky 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Aviva Sheb'a 




Pinky, you have your work cut out for you! I'd say, tape the interview 
yourself, from your side of the phone. If they edit it (or is it live?) to make 
you sound like you're saying something else, make it public.
Here's my view of what I saw on the web site:

  "Customers said they were not happy with the pregnant Midge doll so 
  Wal-Mart removed the entire happy Family set," spokeswoman Melissa Berryhill 
  said. 
Happy families? Wanna bet it's the Happy 
American Family syndrome people who complained about having Happy Families 
portrayed. To think, America wants the world to be like them. 

'Pregnancy-themed' dolls 
The pregnant version of Midge wears a pink skirt, a tiny wedding ring and a 
detachable stomach with a 
curled-up baby inside. 
stomach stomach?? Since when do women gestate 
babies in their stomachs? No wonder I had such heartburn! And to think, I 
thought we did in utero! I'm so higgorant! 
As for the wedding ring, oh, don't 
get me started on equal opportunity etc. for those many who don't believe in, or 
who haven't the privilege (?) of, the wedding ring. Oh, the children I've 
shocked when they've asked why I don't wear a wedding ring and I've told them 
I've never been married...they ask how I could possibly have children if I'm not 
married! I tell them yes, you can have children without being married. I shudder 
to think what their parents tell them. 
The doll - which says "Mommy loves her new baby" - comes with a cradle and 
other baby gear. 
Snorting,
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Julie 
Garratt 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture 

Hi,Me again;)
I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth 
a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help 
parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the 
reproductive process".
Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 
I think this is a real hoot!
 Pinky your definitely going to have fun with 
this one, keep us posted.
Julie'',
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" 
  
  
  Hi ladies,
  Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is 
  the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you 
  sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do 
  some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 
   
  After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
  thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the 
  media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking 
  about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 
  .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In 
  Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to 
  turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to 
  their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
  serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
   
  The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
  anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even 
  though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off 
  (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to see 
  how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina - a 
  teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a trigger 
  for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when 
  the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are 
  people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled 
  from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote 
  that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie 
  arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great 
  debate.
   
  What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
  shaped Barbie for years!!
  Would she be a collectors item?
  Pinky 
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Mary Murphy 



YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD 
A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE.  THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN 
CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE.   USED IT TO SHOW 
WOMEN VARIOUS POSITIONS OF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLE ONES THEIR 
SIBLING IN UTERO.  OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN ONE 
SEASON.  Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Garratt 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
  "barbie" picture 
  
  Hi,Me again;)
  I've found a picture and some info on Midge, 
  worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
  It is suggested in this story that "Midge can 
  help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of 
  the reproductive process".
  Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 
  I think this is a real hoot!
   Pinky your definitely going to have fun 
  with this one, keep us posted.
  Julie'',
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pinky McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant 
"barbie" 

Hi ladies,
Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie 
is the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are 
you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some 
quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 

 
After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although 
the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of 
talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday 
at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and 
In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity 
to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth 
to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
 
The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on 
even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely 
off (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to 
see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina 
- a teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a 
trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be 
there when the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - 
there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she 
was pulled from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist 
actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come 
via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be 
some great debate.
 
What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
shaped Barbie for years!!
Would she be a collectors item?
Pinky 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture

2003-01-31 Thread Julie Garratt 



Hi,Me again;)
I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth 
a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm
It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help 
parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the 
reproductive process".
Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" 
I think this is a real hoot!
 Pinky your definitely going to have fun with 
this one, keep us posted.
Julie'',
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" 
  
  
  Hi ladies,
  Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is 
  the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you 
  sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do 
  some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 
   
  After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
  thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the 
  media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking 
  about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 
  .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In 
  Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to 
  turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to 
  their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
  serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
   
  The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
  anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even 
  though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off 
  (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to see 
  how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina - a 
  teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a trigger 
  for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when 
  the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are 
  people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled 
  from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote 
  that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie 
  arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great 
  debate.
   
  What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
  shaped Barbie for years!!
  Would she be a collectors item?
  Pinky 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie"

2003-01-31 Thread Julie Garratt 



Hi all,
Any word on who the father is? LOL 
When the belly comes off is there a 
baby?
Is she a size six or eight like 
Barbie?
Why can't Barbie be a Midwife?
I don't know if they are collectors items yet but I 
did hear that after they were removed from sale at Walmart they were selling 
hotly at increased prices on EBay.
Intrigued and curious, Julie'',

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" 
  
  
  Hi ladies,
  Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is 
  the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you 
  sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do 
  some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 
   
  After a discussion with Andrea and lots of 
  thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the 
  media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking 
  about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 
  .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In 
  Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to 
  turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to 
  their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some 
  serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!)
   
  The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
  anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even 
  though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off 
  (ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to see 
  how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina - a 
  teachable moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a trigger 
  for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when 
  the phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are 
  people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled 
  from the shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote 
  that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie 
  arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great 
  debate.
   
  What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear 
  shaped Barbie for years!!
  Would she be a collectors item?
  Pinky 

[ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie"

2003-01-31 Thread Pinky McKay 



Hi ladies,
Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is 
the paediatrician) -arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you 
sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do 
some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birth etc. 
 
After a discussion with Andrea and lots of thought 
plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the media may 
misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking about birth 
and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 .15pm. I am taking 
an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In Union -by Vicki Chan and 
Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to turn the crap into a positive 
- to tell women that how they portray birth to their daughters can convey awe of 
the female body (dear Midge needs some serious help - perhaps atexta to add 
nipples for starters!)
 
The fact is, this doll is going to be out there 
anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even 
though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off 
(ridiculous!!I agree - my son immediately tipped her upside down to see how 
the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina - a teachable 
moment!!) - I think we can use this launch as a trigger for lots of 
dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when the 
phone lines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are people who 
think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled from the 
shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote that surely it is 
ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie arent we corrupting 
kids innocence -I think there will be some great debate.
 
What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear shaped 
Barbie for years!!
Would she be a collectors item?
Pinky 

[ozmidwifery] Waterbirth

2003-01-31 Thread Lieve Huybrechts 
Study Shows Benefits of Underwater Birth



By Hannah Cleaver 

BERLIN (Reuters Health) Jan 22 - Giving birth in water should no longer be
considered an "alternative" method restricted to specialist centres,
according to European researchers who evaluated the outcome of more than
1500 births. 

Drs. Albin Thni and Konrad Mussner, from the regional hospital in Sterzing
in the South Tyrol region of northern Italy, compared data from 969 water
births, 515 births in bed and 172 using a birthing stool.

After removing complicated births that required vacuum extraction, other
manual help or epidural anaesthetic, the results show a clear advantage for
water births, they report in the December issue of the German-language
journal Geburtshilfe und Frauenheilkunde (Obstetrics and Gynaecology).

"Our results suggest that water birth is associated with a significantly
shorter first stage of labour, a lower episiotomy rate, fewer perineal
lacerations and reduced analgesic requirements compared with other delivery
positions.  Water birth appears to be safe for the mother and the
foetus-neonate if candidates are selected appropriately," they write.

Average duration of first-stage labour was 381 minutes for women in water
compared with 473 minutes for those using the other delivery methods.  There
was no difference in the duration of the second stage of labour.

The rate of episiotomy was significantly lower when the women were in water
(0.52%) compared with 17.2% of those in traditional beds and 7.6% on stools.

Water births were not associated with an increase in perineal tears, which
remained at 23% in all groups.

Of women having their first child, 58% experienced no lacerations during a
water birth compared with 36% of those on traditional beds and 48% of those
on a stool.  None of the women giving birth in a pool needed analgesics.

Other factors examined included arterial cord blood pH, and maternal
haemoglobin levels at baseline and postpartum.  No differences among the
three groups were found.

The researchers report that much criticism of water births has been based on
ideas that are no longer valid, such as that the child might aspirate water
and drown. 

This can be ruled out, they wrote, as the reflex to breathe air is only
activated once the child's head comes into contact with air.

"We believe that the water birth will lose its 'outsider' status and will,
in the next few years, will take up a fixed place in obstetrics.  It leads
to minimal intervention and is a woman-friendly method and thus results in
higher satisfaction of the mother," they conclude.

Geburtshilfe und Frauenheilkunde 2002;62:977.



Greetings
Lieve

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