Re: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.

[*G and S*]

Cheryl wrote:



>Makes me realize how blessed I am with healthy little wriggling girl also
>born 3.1.03 with no trauma and brilliant vag birth.


Cheryl,
   You were so very lucky,  I am envious!  Enjoy every minute with
your little babe. They all grow far too quickly.
Sonia.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: RE: karan morrisey

[Mary Murphy]

Sorry, I won't open attatchments.  MM

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[ozmidwifery] Infant resuss

[Mary Murphy]

  
  

20031017-27# Resuscitation of newborn 
  infants with 21% or 100% oxygen: follow-up at 18 to 24 
  months - Pediatrics , vol 112, no 2, part 1, August 2003, pp 
  296-300 Saugstad OD; Ramji S; Irani SF; et al - (August 
  2003)
  
 
OBJECTIVE: To follow-up children who had been 
  resuscitated at birth with either 21% or 100% oxygen (O2). METHODS: A 
  multicenter study with 10 participating centers recruited 609 infants to 
  the Resair 2 study where resuscitation was performed with either 21% or 
  100% O2. A follow-up between ages 18 and 24 months was performed. However, 
  during follow-up registration, it was found that 18 infants had been 
  enrolled twice in the original Resair 2 study with different registration 
  numbers, leaving 591 enrolled in the Resair 2 study and 410 enrolled in 
  the 7 centers participating in the follow-up. Of these 410 infants, 79 
  died (76 in the neonatal and 3 in the postneonatal period). Furthermore, 
  for 8 infants informed consent was not obtained, leaving 323 eligible for 
  follow-up. Of these, 213 infants (66%) were followed-up: 91 (62%) had been 
  resuscitated with 21% O2, and 122 (69%) with 100% O2. At a median age of 
  22 and 20 months (not significant) in the 21% and 100% groups, 
  respectively, a simple questionnaire was filled out and neurologic 
  assessment was performed in addition to measuring anthropometric data. 
  RESULTS: There were no significant differences in weight, height, or head 
  circumference between the 2 groups. Cerebral palsy developed in 10% and 
  7%, respectively, in the 2 groups (not significant). In total, 11 cases 
  (12%) in the 21% versus 11 cases (9%) in the 100% O(2) group (odds ratio: 
  1.39, 95% confidence interval: 0.57-3.36) developed cerebral palsy and/or 
  mental or other delay. Furthermore, it was concluded that 14 (15%) in the 
  21% group and 12 (10%) in the 100% group were not normal (odds ratio: 
  1.67, 95% confidence interval: 0.73-3.80). CONCLUSIONS: There were no 
  significant differences in somatic growth or neurologic handicap at an age 
  of 18 to 24 months in infants resuscitated with either 21% or 100% O2 at 
  birth. Based on these data, resuscitation with ambient air seems to be 
  safe, at least in most cases. More studies are needed to settle this 
  issue. (15 references) 
(Author)

RE: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home...

[Julie Garratt]

WOW Tania,

Congratulations to all, the flinders BMids
are all blown away (I don’t think I missed telling anyone LOL) I can’t
would love to watch the video just to see the look on your face when those
little feet came out!

 



CHEERS,

Julie Garratt (:



 

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On Behalf Of Tom, Tania and Sam
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Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 4:45
PM
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch
at home...

 



Well I'm quite elated and
a little bit tired, after being called out at 3am this morning, and then my
Midwife colleague being called away for another birth (isn't that something
that never happens...?), I caught my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby
decided to come into the world feet first.  WOW!!  Can't tell you how
many things were going around in my head during the birth, but I think I
remained calm on the exterior, or so I'm told!  Result - 3.4kg baby girl,
2 3/4 hour established labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and
then out came the feet, stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a
gorgeous round 36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the
woman.  And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to
act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and
comfort it was to share it with her!





 





Gotta sleep, but wanted
to share, what an amazing experience for us all!!





 





Tania










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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pain threshold

[Cheryl LHK]

>
> > I don't know how we can change this perception when so few women
> > actually get to experience a totally natural delivery. Even if induced 
a
> > woman still considers her labour "natural" and thus thinks it hurts to
> > bejeebus. I think books like the one Sarah Buckley is currently 
working
> > on will help alter that perception but it will take a lot of 
information
> > campaigning to change a paradigm that has existed for several
> > generations.
> >
> > Cas.
Cas, I so agree with you about the induced labour pain not necessarily being 
'natural', but I haven't had an induction with my three.  As a midwife I've 
seen some women go through some incredible pain for a very long time to 
achieve a vaginal birth.  But some women seem to go through much more pain 
than others - why?  Is it emotional and/or physically harder for some women 
every time.

I find it interesting, because I had three vag labours ranging from 12-14 hr 
from first niggle to birth with all three of them.  I can honestly say, for 
the first 10 hours of all them, the pain wasn't as bad as I thought it would 
be.  Watching and caring for women in labour before I did it myself made me 
think it could be pretty horrific.  Admittedly the last few hours were damn 
hard work, and that "slight stinging sensation" with the crowning was a lot 
more than SLIGHT!

I suppose we are all very different.  It interests me as I have a girlfrind 
going back for her second birth, and is very frightened because her first 
labour was precipitate and an induction - and the worst part of the whole 
preg/birth spectrum for her.

Cheryl

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.

[Cheryl LHK]

Totally agree with you Tina, and the eyes were a bit 'moist' at bits of it.  
Makes me realize how blessed I am with healthy little wriggling girl also 
born 3.1.03 with no trauma and brilliant vag birth.

Cheryl


From: "M & T Holroyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:57:26 +1000
Sonia,

Your story had me crying, but I could not stop reading.  Thankyou for
sharing with us.  I believe I have learnt a few things from you for my life
as both a mother & a midwife.  Thankyou again & god bless your family.
Tina H.  (Brisbane).

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From: "*G and S*" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:14 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nathaniel's birth story...Warning Long.
> NATHANIEL'S BIRTH
>
>
> Nine short months have passed since Nathaniel's birth. He is a
sweet-natured
> baby, very placid and incredibly patient. Just like his father. There is
no
> hint in his nature of his traumatic birth.
>
> As we are natural family planners, and my cycle was very predictable, I
knew
> at only three weeks that I needed a pregnancy test. My husband (Gh) and 
I
> were overjoyed when that faint pink line appeared on the test. This 
would
be
> our fifth child; two in nappies and all under ten.  I began to brace
myself
> for another long sojourn through pregnancy. My due date was 7th January,
> 2003.
>
> At sixteen weeks, I took those first few official  pregnancy steps and
> visited an obstetrician recommended by a couple of close friends. They 
did
> tell me that he was a little 'laid back', but all the same, they thought
he
> would suit me.
>
> Boy were they wrong! Yes, he was very pleasant and  relaxed. He, 
however,
> required me to strip down to nothing for the initial examination. I
clutched
> anxiously at my bra hoping to keep some semblance of dignity but alas 
that
> was to go with the rest of my attire. Some women might feel fine about
this
> form of 'thoroughness', but for me, having nursed people and respected
their
> vulnerability, I was not at all impressed. So, after consulting a 
midwife
> friend, I transferred to another obstetrician (Pob). He seemed just 
fine.
>
> Apart from my routine discomforts and sleeplessness, my pregnancy had
> coasted along nicely. There was no sign of the blood pressure  problems 
I
> had in previous pregnancies. I recall more than once saying to Pob
'There's
> got to be a catch'. And there was.
>
> At thirty-eight weeks, Pob remarked that I was carrying high, as usual.
But
> he seemed to stop and rethink. A quick ultrasound confirmed that my baby
was
> breech. I knew immediately that this would mean my first caesarian
section.
> I cried from shock, from fear and anxiety. Pob meanwhile found the
necessary
> paperwork. I filled out the forms and even went straight to the
> anaesthetists' rooms, all the while in a state of disbelief. I had not
> counted on major abdominal surgery being a part of my baby's birth.
>
> The c.section was booked for the end of that week. I went into hospital
the
> evening before, as I was quite anxious.  I knew that a caesarian section
> wasn't to be undertaken light-heartedly and it pains me now to hear of
women
> requesting this proceedure for convenience or to avoid the pain of
birthing.
>
> That night, a final ultrasound estimated my baby's weight (wrongly as it
> turned out) at 11 lbs 1 oz. And of course he had turned! After some
> discussion with Pob, we decided to go ahead with the c.section as 
planned,
> because of the unstable lie factor. The alternative was to wait a week 
or
> more in hospital.
>
> The next morning I woke at 6.30 and was promptly seen by a rather
> bleary-eyed anaesthetist. Pob came in soon after and felt my abdomen. He
now
> thought that baby was transverse. I was becoming more and more uptight 
by
> the minute. Gh was with me the whole time and was quietly reassuring.
>
> Down in theatre I was pleased to meet the assisting doctor, who was a
> semi-retired obstetrician. His name was always mentioned with great
> reverence and affection. I felt some comfort knowing he was there but I
> still had a great sense of unease.
>
> As the spinal anaesthetic was administered, I was able to look out a
window.
> I remember seeing a woman walking her dog over vacant land. I longed to
> change places with that woman.   I was soon brought back to reality when
my
> blood pressure suddenly went up. It was brought down with some
> pharmaceutical intervention and I immediately vomited.
>
> Gh arrived soon after, dressed in his glamorous theatre gear, and was
seated
> beside me. The procedure began. You make me feel like a natural woman 
(ha
> ha) was playing in the background. Pob was telling us what he was doing
step
> by step. Suddenly there was nothing. No music, talking - nothing. The 
only
> thing I remember was the occasional mumble from the obstetricians. I
rea

Re: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home...

[M & T Holroyd]

Dear Tania,
 
All I can say is WOW.  How 
wonderfull.
 
Tina H. (Brisbane)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom, Tania and Sam 
  Smallwood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:14 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch at 
  home...
  
  Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being 
  called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called 
  away for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught 
  my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world 
  feet first.  WOW!!  Can't tell you how many things were going around 
  in my head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or 
  so I'm told!  Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hour established 
  labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, 
  stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous 
  round 36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the 
  woman.  And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to 
  act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and 
  comfort it was to share it with her!
   
  Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience 
  for us all!!
   
  Tania

[ozmidwifery] Fwd: RE: karan morrisey

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Hi Karan,

Good luck on Tuesday. My phone
numbers are 6287 4422 (work) and 6249 6284 (home). I’ve also attached a press
release that came out today by UNFPA/WHO and UNICEF. 

I’ll wait to hear from you

Cheers

Maggie

 

 

Subject: Joint
WHO/UNICEF/UNFPA Press Release

 

(Please see attached document for formatted press release
and annexes)

EMBARGOED until Monday, 20 October, 6am GMT 

Maternal Deaths
Disproportionately High in Developing Countries 

African women are
175 times more likely to die in childbirth than women in developed regions of
the world

NEW YORK/GENEVA, 20 October -- New findings on
maternal mortality by WHO, UNICEF and UNFPA show that a woman living in
sub-Saharan Africa has a 1 in
16 chance of dying in pregnancy or childbirth.  This compares with a 1 in
2,800 risk for a woman from a developed region. These findings are contained in
a new global report on maternal mortality released today online by the three
agencies at www.childinfo.org/maternal_mortality_in_2000.pdf. 

Of
the estimated 529,000 maternal deaths in 2000, 95 per cent occurred in Africa and Asia, while only
4 per cent (22,000) occurred in Latin America and the Caribbean, and less
than one per cent (2,500) in the more developed regions of the world.


Experience
from successful maternal health programmes shows that
much of this death and suffering could be avoided if all women had the
assistance of a skilled health worker during pregnancy and delivery, and access
to emergency medical care when complications arise. 

“Many
women deliver their children alone or with family members or other untrained
attendants who lack the skills to deal with complications during
delivery,” said Dr. Lee Jong-wook,
Director-General of the World Health Organization. “Skilled attendants
are vital because they can recognise and prevent
medical crises and provide or refer for life-saving care when complications
arise. They also provide mothers with basic information about care for
themselves and their children before and after giving birth.”


Reducing
maternal mortality is a key factor in ensuring that all children, especially in
the world's poorest countries, survive and thrive through adolescence.


“These
new estimates indicate an unacceptably high number of women dying in childbirth
and an urgent need for increased access to emergency obstetric care, especially
in sub-Saharan Africa,” said
UNICEF Executive Director Carol Bellamy. “The widespread provision of
emergency obstetric care is essential if we want to reduce maternal
deaths." 

The
maternal mortality ratio, which measures the number of deaths to women per
100,000 lives births due to pregnancy-related complications, was estimated to
be 400 per 100,000 live births globally in 2000. By region, it was highest in Africa (830),
followed by Asia - excluding
Japan (330), Oceania - excluding
Australia and New
  Zealand (240), Latin
 America and the Caribbean (190) and
the developed countries (20). 
  

Worldwide,
13 developing countries accounted for 70 per cent of all maternal deaths. The
highest number occurred in India where
136,000 women died, followed by Nigeria where there
were 37,000 deaths. 

In
2000, world leaders agreed to reduce maternal mortality by three quarters by
2015, as part of the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs).
Tracking progress remains difficult, except where comprehensive registration of
deaths, including causes of death, exists. For this reason, the use of
indicators, such as the proportion of women who have a skilled attendant at
delivery, is essential to track change. 

The
use of skilled attendants at delivery in developing countries increased between
1990 and 2000 from 42 to 52 per cent, suggesting a potential decrease in
maternal deaths. Findings show the greatest improvements in Southeast
 Asia and Northern Africa and the
slowest change in sub-Saharan Africa, which went
from 40 per cent in 1990 to 43 per cent in 2000. 

Most
maternal deaths and disability occur as the result of one or more of three
delays: a delay in recognizing complications; a delay in reaching a medical
facility; or a delay in receiving good quality care. Efforts to address these
delays are essential in order to save the lives of mothers and babies.


Education
on family planning and the provision of family planning services of high
quality can also make a difference. 

“More
lives could be saved if women had access to voluntary family planning to ensure
that births are spaced properly, skilled attendance at delivery, and emergency
obstetric care.  UNFPA is committed to reducing the high levels of
maternal death and disability that exist today,” said Thoraya
Ahmed Obaid, Executive Director of UNFPA.


The
death of a mother during pregnancy or childbirth is a human tragedy at the
individual, family and societal levels.  The chances of survival not only

Re: [ozmidwifery] ABC radio transcript- Natural vs. caesar childbirth debate reconsidered

[Holly Wright]

Thanks for posting the link Jen, I was able to 
click and listen to the interview as a sound file.now that is a sensible 
use of technology!!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Semple 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:05 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] ABC radio 
  transcript- Natural vs. caesar childbirth debate reconsidered
  
  Here’s the transcript 
  from the ABC website http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s968809.htm
   
   
  
  


  
Natural vs. caesar childbirth 
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PM - Thursday, 16 
October , 2003  18:42:00
Reporter: Annie White
PETER CAVE: It's as old as 
humankind itself, but childbirth continues to provoke heated debate 
amongst health professionals, the community, and of course, mothers. In 
particular, there's dispute over whether a natural childbirth, or 
delivery by caesarean section, is the best or safest way.In this 
month's Australian and New Zealand 
Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, two doctors argue 
against trials comparing the alternatives, saying the results could 
fundamentally affect the very nature of giving birth.Annie White 
reports.ANNIE WHITE: Medical science generally pushes for more 
knowledge, rather than less. But in what is an already passionate area 
for debate, Professor David Ellwood and his colleague, Dr Stephen 
Robson, are urging restraint in the study of the relative merits of 
caesarean section and v! aginal birth.DAVID ELLWOOD: There is an 
increasing trend towards elective caesarean section, and there have been 
discussions over the last couple of years about mounting the so-called 
term-cathallic (phonetic) trial, which would be a randomised trial 
comparing caesarean section versus planned vaginal birth for women 
having their first babies. We're concerned that the impact of 
such a trial could well be quite far reaching, and that it needs to be 
well thought through before such a trial is mounted.ANNIE WHITE: 
According to Professor Ellwood, funding applications have been made for 
doctors in the United States to conduct such a trial. His concern is 
that such a study could have a serious impact on women's choice about 
the type of birth they want to have.His fear is that if 
caesarean sections were found to be safer in such a trial, doctors and 
patients might feel compelled to go that way. In support, 
Professor Ellwood cites a worldwide trial i! n late 2000 on the safety 
of vaginal breech births, which he says has resulted in most breech 
babies now being delivered by caesarean. DAVID ELLWOOD: We 
already had available quite a lot of information about the safety of 
vaginal breach birth before that trial was conducted. One problem with 
the outcome of such a trial is that it tends to be… the results are then 
applied universally across all vaginal breech births, and there's no 
attempt to individualise care, even though a number of authorities, you 
know, such as the Royal Australian New Zealand College of ONG, do state 
in their policies that vaginal breech birth is still a reasonable option 
for some women to choose, it's a really a choice that's now virtually 
denied to women. ANNIE WHITE: Professor Ellwood says not all 
studies are good studies, because the results can depend on who is 
included and how it's run. As well, he says many of the health impacts 
of babies and children could take as long as 20 years to show.Dr 
Barbara Vernon is the Executive Officer of the Australian College of 
Midwives. Like Professor Ellwood she had serious concerns about any 
moves to a randomised controlled trial.BARBARA VERNON: Well, 
studies into caesarean section that would be truly based on a randomised 
basis would be highly unethical, it would involve randomising women into 
having major abdominal surgery without the presence of a medical 
indication that that was the best thing for them and their baby. And it 
is very hard to see how it could ever be ethical to assign someone to 
major surgery when there is no medical need for that. ANNIE 
WHITE: Dr Vernon says the popularity of caesarean sections in Australia 
is already a cause for concern.BARBARA VERNON: Certainly a 
caesarean section is a marvellous technology, and it needs to occur for 
a small percentage of women. But it is not acceptable that we have 
caesarean section rates close to 25 per cent nationally in Australi! a, 
when internatio

Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on Selangor Hospital

[Lynne Staff]

We are at 62 Netherton St Nambour QLD 4560.
Phone 07 5450 4359
- Original Message -
From: "Julia Willoughby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:39 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info on Selangor Hospital


> Could I have some details please on where Selangor Hospital is?
> Thanks
> Julia Willoughby
> - Original Message -
> From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald
>
>
> > Lynne, this is so true and especially so for certain religious groups.
> > For instance, As a Christian I was brought up believing that labour was
> > a curse becaue Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. When I was pregnant
> > with Daniel I found out that this was a false interpretation of the
> > scripture with "pain" actually meaning "work". Basically, the story goes
> > that God told Eve labour would be hard work not a living hell but
> > somehow the idea of pain took hold! Sadly, many women still think of
> > labour this way, (even my mother who had one entirely pain free, drug
> > free birth) and sadly, they see a caesarean as a way to avoid this
> > "curse".
> >
> > Strange though it may seem, this thinking permeates our Western culture.
> > Another point that exacerbates this is that we don't share stories and
> > we don't birth in communities anymore. Women used to birth surrounded by
> > the other women in their lives. We take off for the hospital with bag in
> > hand. Our mothers birthed in hospitals and jumped through whatever
> > ridiculous hoops the doctors made them jump through and many came out of
> > it having had very undignified and disempowering experiences thinking
> > that was just the way things were.
> >
> > I don't know how we can change this perception when so few women
> > actually get to experience a totally natural delivery. Even if induced a
> > woman still considers her labour "natural" and thus thinks it hurts to
> > bejeebus. I think books like the one Sarah Buckley is currently working
> > on will help alter that perception but it will take a lot of information
> > campaigning to change a paradigm that has existed for several
> > generations.
> >
> > This SMH article has deeply disturbed me and yet, many normal average
> > people would wonder what all the fuss is about because they see
> > caesareans as normal and pain free. I guess we just have to keep
> > chipping away a the block and hope that someone listens and exposes
> > these trials for what they are... Nazi experiments!
> >
> > Feeling quite hot under the collar...
> >
> > Cas.
> >
> > Ps: I still have pain from my scar and epidural after 5.5 months! That's
> > not exactly pain free is it?
> >
> > Cas McCullough
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.casmccullough.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2003 9:45 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald
> >
> >
> > "there is this trial which gives you a 50-50 chance of totally avoiding
> > all this pain" A father-to-be I saw the other day, whose wife
> > has had 2 caesareans (and is having the devil of a time finding anyone
> > to support her for a planned vaginal birth), made the very pertinent
> > point that 'natural' (read vaginal) birth is ALWAYS portrayed as the
> > worst pain a woman can ever have - too terrible to contemplate,
> > unbearable and totally avoidable, while the portrayal of caesarean birth
> > is ALWAYS pain-free, peaceful, smiles all round.etc
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[ozmidwifery] Info on Selangor Hospital

[Julia Willoughby]

Could I have some details please on where Selangor Hospital is?
Thanks
Julia Willoughby
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From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald


> Lynne, this is so true and especially so for certain religious groups.
> For instance, As a Christian I was brought up believing that labour was
> a curse becaue Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. When I was pregnant
> with Daniel I found out that this was a false interpretation of the
> scripture with "pain" actually meaning "work". Basically, the story goes
> that God told Eve labour would be hard work not a living hell but
> somehow the idea of pain took hold! Sadly, many women still think of
> labour this way, (even my mother who had one entirely pain free, drug
> free birth) and sadly, they see a caesarean as a way to avoid this
> "curse". 
> 
> Strange though it may seem, this thinking permeates our Western culture.
> Another point that exacerbates this is that we don't share stories and
> we don't birth in communities anymore. Women used to birth surrounded by
> the other women in their lives. We take off for the hospital with bag in
> hand. Our mothers birthed in hospitals and jumped through whatever
> ridiculous hoops the doctors made them jump through and many came out of
> it having had very undignified and disempowering experiences thinking
> that was just the way things were.
> 
> I don't know how we can change this perception when so few women
> actually get to experience a totally natural delivery. Even if induced a
> woman still considers her labour "natural" and thus thinks it hurts to
> bejeebus. I think books like the one Sarah Buckley is currently working
> on will help alter that perception but it will take a lot of information
> campaigning to change a paradigm that has existed for several
> generations.
> 
> This SMH article has deeply disturbed me and yet, many normal average
> people would wonder what all the fuss is about because they see
> caesareans as normal and pain free. I guess we just have to keep
> chipping away a the block and hope that someone listens and exposes
> these trials for what they are... Nazi experiments!
> 
> Feeling quite hot under the collar...
> 
> Cas.
> 
> Ps: I still have pain from my scar and epidural after 5.5 months! That's
> not exactly pain free is it?
> 
> Cas McCullough
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.casmccullough.com
>  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2003 9:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald
> 
> 
> "there is this trial which gives you a 50-50 chance of totally avoiding
> all this pain" A father-to-be I saw the other day, whose wife
> has had 2 caesareans (and is having the devil of a time finding anyone
> to support her for a planned vaginal birth), made the very pertinent
> point that 'natural' (read vaginal) birth is ALWAYS portrayed as the
> worst pain a woman can ever have - too terrible to contemplate,
> unbearable and totally avoidable, while the portrayal of caesarean birth
> is ALWAYS pain-free, peaceful, smiles all round.etc
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RE: [ozmidwifery] C/S in Sydney Morning Herald

[Debby M]

I unfortuneately (or maybe fortuneately by the sounds of things) did not get to read the SMH article.
 
I must admit though reading through some of the comments here and having read the results of the term breech hold the same fears as many of you do.  The term breech trial has meant that many women will not even be given the chance to try this method of birth because of the flawed study, but the really ironic thing is that one of the doctors who participated (not an author) in this trial was the doctor who delivered my first VBAC child.  At the time of my sons delivery my OB had agreed that even if my son was breech at term he would be more than happy for me to have a vaginal breech VBAC delivery because of how sucessful he saw the outcomes of the trial were - and yes at that time the results had not been published but as far as he was concerned for a frank or full breech a vaginal delivery should be at least attempted if the mother was willing as he believed the outcomes of this were positive - its a pity he wasn't involved in writing the final paper!
  wasn't it.
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home...

[Joy Cocks]

What a thrill - congratulations to you all!!
Joy
 
Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom, Tania and Sam 
  Smallwood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 17:14 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch at 
  home...
  
  Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being 
  called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called 
  away for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught 
  my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world 
  feet first.  WOW!!  Can't tell you how many things were going around 
  in my head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or 
  so I'm told!  Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hour established 
  labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, 
  stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous 
  round 36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the 
  woman.  And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to 
  act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and 
  comfort it was to share it with her!
   
  Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience 
  for us all!!
   
  Tania

[ozmidwifery] Re:first catch at home...

[Larissa & Tim]

Lovely story Tania!! Yeah 2 people *never* go into 
labour at the same time *wink* LOL
Hugs, Larissa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tom, Tania and Sam 
  Smallwood 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:44 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch at 
  home...
  
  Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being 
  called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called 
  away for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught 
  my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world 
  feet first.  WOW!!  Can't tell you how many things were going around 
  in my head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or 
  so I'm told!  Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hour established 
  labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, 
  stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous 
  round 36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the 
  woman.  And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to 
  act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and 
  comfort it was to share it with her!
   
  Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience 
  for us all!!
   
  Tania

[ozmidwifery] first catch at home...

[Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood]

Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being 
called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called away 
for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught my 
first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world feet 
first.  WOW!!  Can't tell you how many things were going around in my 
head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or so I'm 
told!  Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hour established labour, SROM 
in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, stood up, body, 
arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous round 36cm head, all 
caught on video by a wonderful friend of the woman.  And I was wonderfully 
supported by a midwife friend who came to act as a spare pair of 
hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and comfort it was to share it 
with her!
 
Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience 
for us all!!
 
Tania