Re: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article
I guess it's healthy to be doubting about pain, Sally as long as that doesn't become your only reality. Everyone has choice. I've spoken to women in China and India and Dick Read tells how he had witnessed women on the side of road squatting giving birth with no fuss (his words). How do you know they DO feel pain or is it just that our belief systems are taught that response? I have attended many births here and wittnessed many women feeling only tightening and pressure, no pain. Others discomfort but not pain. All had comfortable births. Midwivesoften were a little confused because these women didn't show the "normal" pain signs during labour and so often weren't ready for the birth itself. They also commented afterwards that it had been years since they had seen a natural birth in a labour room without being medically managed. They were really impressed at the trust that the labouring mum had in herself. Trust? or the belief that they had that women are designed to give birth comfortably with little or no discomfort. I have a video from Dateline USA who filmed 2 couples last August or September and followed them through their pregnancies and giving birth, pain freeand it went to air in the USA. The interviewers too doubted it. The coupleshad 6 hypnosis sessions with their Obstetrician and gave birth with only pressure and very comfortably. All recorded on film. Their belief systems were taught that pain is a conditioned response, sogave it something else to believe instead. And it did. Beautifully. regards Diane Gardner - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article Sorry to be the doubting thomas but does anyone really believe that women in third world contries dont feel pain?? Perhaps their social constructs allow them to accept and process thing differently . Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA
And does the abuser ask the child if it's ok? Sally - Original Message - From: Dierdre Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA I'm not sure what everyone else thinks but I must say that while 'an abuser went free' I cant help but think keeping someone's DNA on file is a breach of the civil liberty. To what extent the Govt. or other agencies could go to using that information make the mind boggle. I dont agree with storing DNA from heelpricks. And anyway, who asked the Baby Blessings Dierdre -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article
Actually I was not questioning the effectiveness of hypnobirthing So all women in china and India feel no pain???.. to say that a women gives birth with no fuss is not to say she feels no pain.. I stand by this question? Do all women in China feel no pain?? It is just such blanket statements that set women up to fail My statement about belief systems and yours actually are saying the same things.. I said Perhaps their social constructs allow them to accept and process thing differently. You said Their belief systems were taught that pain is a conditioned response, sogave it something else to believe instead. Sally Westbury Midwife. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gardner Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article I guess it's healthy to be doubting about pain, Sally as long as that doesn't become your only reality. Everyone has choice. I've spoken to women in China and India and Dick Read tells how he had witnessed women on the side of road squatting giving birth with no fuss (his words). How do you know they DO feel pain or is it just that our belief systems are taught that response? I have attended many births here and wittnessed many women feeling only tightening and pressure, no pain. Others discomfort but not pain. All had comfortable births. Midwivesoften were a little confused because these women didn't show the normal pain signs during labour and so often weren't ready for the birth itself. They also commented afterwards that it had been years since they had seen a natural birth in a labour room without being medically managed. They were really impressed at the trust that the labouring mum had in herself. Trust? or the belief that they had that women are designed to give birth comfortably with little or no discomfort. I have a video from Dateline USA who filmed 2 couples last August or September and followed them through their pregnancies and giving birth, pain freeand it went to air in the USA. The interviewers too doubted it. The coupleshad 6 hypnosis sessions with their Obstetrician and gave birth with only pressure and very comfortably. All recorded on film. And it did. Beautifully. regards Diane Gardner - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article Sorry to be the doubting thomas but does anyone really believe that women in third world contries dont feel pain?? Perhaps their social constructs allow them to accept and process thing differently. Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article
is it true that in third world countries there is no pain in child birth? - Original Message - From: Diane Gardner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Yahoo news article My goodness!I was just sent an email to let me know that my article has been published on the Australia and NZ Yahoo news and even more amazing that they have reported it exactly as I told it in the interview. wow Diane Gardner http://au.news.yahoo.com//031014/2/m1yw.html Tuesday October 14, 10:48 AM Hypnobirthing gaining popularity A practice that teaches pregnant mums to transcend into self-hypnosis during labour is gaining popularity in Australia, according to a practitioner of the craft. Hypnobirthing, a natural birthing system based on hypnosis, is being sought out by more Aussie mums-to-be, according to Melbourne hypnobirthing practitioner Diane Gardner. Ms Gardner, who stumbled upon the hypnotic birthing method when her eldest daughter fell pregnant, will demystify the practice at a Melbourne parents expo later this week. Ms Gardner trained in the practice through an American organisation and has been teaching pregnant Australian women how to self-hypnotise during labour for three years. "We teach mums how to put themselves into self-hypnosis ... then they have a much easier, more comfortable labour," Ms Gardner said. "We teach them how to give themselves a cue that allows their body to relax. "At no stage do they black out; they are fully aware of what's going on. "We just instruct certain parts of their body to relax -- the areas used for birthing. She said Australian females were socially conditioned to expect birth to be painful. "The hardest thing is de-hypnotising women out of that fear. "If you look at third world countries, they don't have pain in childbirth. "They squat down and birth their baby and off they go. She said Australian women were increasingly opting for drug-assisted or caesarean section births to avoid the anticipated pain. But she said hypnobirthing offered a pain-free alternative without the medical complications that drugs or caesareans could raise. And she said the hypnotic birthing practice was gaining popularity in Australia, with at least six practitioners instructing pregnant women in Melbourne, and others along Australia's east coast. "I've been teaching for three years and I'm seeing the most profound results. "I'm probably getting at least one phone call a day. Once mums went out there and started giving birth through hypnobirthing, the word started to spread. She said the concept of hypnobirthing had its roots in early studies by English obstetrician Dr Grantley Dick Read in the 1920s. "He wanted to know why some women came into the hospital and gave birth to their babies with no stress and others came in screaming out of control. "The ones that gave birth easily allowed their bodies to relax. "The others were so fearful of their birth that their bodies were taut and that tightness meant they experienced pain. Ms Gardner said as well as the reduced risk of medical complications for the mother, hypnobirthing offered a stress-free start to life for the new born. "The benefits are having a very relaxed mother, a very relaxed, very serene baby who hasn't had a traumatic birth." A display on hypnobirthing will form part of a parents, babies and children's expo to be held in Melbourne from Friday.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing pools
As we make our own "demountable" birthing pools, I would like to tell you about them. The most economical, suitable sized and transportable way is to start with a 8foot X 4 foot (imperial measure) panel of either outdoor or marine ply. A single cut from top to bottom = 2foot x 8 foot. Cut these equally in half and again, until what you have is 8 panels x 2 foot. this makes square panels 2foot x 2foot (60cm x 60cm) hinged on all four corners, equals a very good sized pool when erected. We usually break them down to 4 pairs. hinged like books.(we use wing nuts on the "undo" side for ease of erection) When in a hurry or a poor hot water supply, then 7 panels, or for quick multips, 3 panels, makes a great smaller birthing pool. We put sponge mattress inside the walls of the pool, then line with either a blue tarpauline and 2 clear plastic liners 4mtrs x 4 mtrs (12foot x 12 foot) square(looks great)or 2 black plastic liners sized as above. All bought from the hardware store (Bunnings Balcatta here in W.A.) We also add comfort things like pool noodles over the hard edge of the wooden tub, underneath the plastic,so that arms are more comfortable. We also have put carrying holes in the panels so it is easier to get them from storage to car and house etc.I have personally made two of these myself, so it is not difficult. We fill them from the hot water supply with a new garden hose and empty them by siphonage the same way into a floor drain or out the back door into the garden. Each woman has her own new, pool lining plastic for infection control. We have birthed hundreds of babies in these pools over the last 20 yrs. Great privacy and pain relief- way to go. cheers, MM
[ozmidwifery] quote of the week.
"Given the opportunity to voice their opinions about what is happening in their labor and how their baby is doing, women will often give you a very accurate account. The key is to listen to them " Jill Cohen
[ozmidwifery] to stitch or not?
FYI:With Womanby Gloria Lemay:To Suture or Not?. Question: "What is your experience with NOT suturing second degree tears (at least not very deep ones)? What about labial tears?" Thoughts about suturing tears seem to change as time goes by. Here are some things to think about: Having a foreign body (suture material) that the body has to fight can interfere with proper healing and produce a lot of pain. Think about having a splinter in your finger. Your finger gets swollen and inflamed in order to surround and push the sliver out. Suture material is an irritant, so consider that before making the decision that a tear needs stitches. The stitches don't fix the tear, they merely bring the two edges together so the healing can happenthe tissue approximates and knits itself together. I think about ear piercingyou have to wear earrings all the time or the holes will heal over if left empty too long. Therefore, if you have a tear that comes together in a nice match when the woman brings her knees together, it will heal fine with bed rest. Blood is nature's repair agent for torn tissue, so don't be washing and cleaning too much. Also, in Ayurvedic medicine, urine is used as a treatment for skin abrasions. It could be that nature was pretty smart to make our torn vulvas burn when urine passes over them. Usually that "burning during peeing" only is there for the first 24 hours so the healing happens quite quickly. If there is a tear where one flap of skin definitely goes off in a direction that it shouldn't, crazy glue (Dermabond) can be used in minute amounts to bring the flap to where it should be for 24 hours. Caution: don't get it anywhere near the anus. Midwifery teacher Gloria Lemay runs BirthLove's Doula Course. It is free for all site members. See www.birthlove.com/glo_doula.html
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing pools
I wrote: "When in a hurry or a poor hot water supply, then 7 panels, or for quick multips, 3 panels, makes a great smaller birthing pool." Obviously I meant 6 panels. (3 pairs) sorry for the confusion. 3 panels would be a good baby bath. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Nicky Leap
Nicky is on staff at UTS Sadie. You could look up their website. Robin. - Original Message - From: Sadie Geraghty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nicky Leap Does anyone have an e-mail address for Nicky leap? Would really appreciate it if you could send it to me off list, thanks, Sadie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pain?
Title: Pain? Hi Justine Well said. Yes it's all about choices in birth and that's why we encourage them. I guess I was ending my conversation lightly about the Obs and know there is more to it than that..unfortunately. Have another great birth in March Xena :o) Diane
