Re: [ozmidwifery]private practice midwives in brisbane
Hi Nicole, Your SIL could try Kerri Newman, Tel: 3289 2347 Mob:0417753876 She lives on the north side, near Samford Simone - Original Message - From: nicole and gareth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery]private practice midwives in brisbane hello all, Any recommendations for midwives who do home births in the Brisbane area? My SIL lives approx 20 mins north of the CBD. I will be looking at the HMA website soon but any other suggestions would be welcome. thanks nicole -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Thoughtful.
Thought for the Day: "A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can let alone." Henry David Thoreau.If this is true, the obstetricians havethe potential to be rich beyond their dreams. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test
Jen, it's done day 5 here in WA where I work... in my previous Vic hospitals it was done after 48 hours, regardless of milk feeds. I remember the screening people coming to talk to us about it, and they explained why it doesn't matter if they've hadmilk feeds or not, but I can't for the life of me remember why! Jo - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test Regarding heel prick/Guthrie test... protocol atthe hospitals I've done placements is 48 hours post-birth. I wonder if it makes any difference whether it's done on day 2, 3, or 5? Jen 3rd year BMid studentKirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that isthe plan, or more often, the hospital protocol.The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by thevisiting midwifery serviceKirsten Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story
Nor is theincreasing feeeling Pain of the scar and its contortions with each successive period. Menopause now means I am free of this also!! Denise - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story When the cs scar begins to stretch with the next pregnancy, usually at this point of the pregnancy, there is abdominal pain. It is very common for women to contact CARES and report this pain. Unless it is prolonged and intense and your instincts are saying something is wrong (hard to do when fear can be an overriding factor) it could just be one of those things you just dont get told about after having a cs. Hope she is okay. cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Abdo pain is quite common, ligaments stretching etc. I don't think pain at 16 weeks would be connected to an abrupito at 38 weeks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rachel Rogers Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2004 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi all, 1st year BMid student - not quite up on the lingo yet however, I would appreciate any advice... I have a friend, and follow-through who has one son aged 12, normal vaginal delivery, short labour with no problems. Her marriage ended shortly after and years later, she met and married her soul mate... 'They' got pregnant and she was expecting a similar experience to her first birth, however, at about 16 weeks she started experiencing some abdominal pain. The OB dismissed this and said it was all a normal part of pregnancy and not to overreact. At 38 weeks, my friends placenta abrupted in the kitchen, it was horrific and she was rushed to hospital. The OB told her husband that if he was in his position, he would be pretty worried right now... After an emergency c/s the baby was born. 15 months later she is pregnant again, and is now about 14 weeks pregnant. She is having the same pains, which feel the same as before and is very worried that this will happen again. She has changed to another OB, who is again not listening to her fears and would love to have another normal birth. Her concerns are that she is running a business full time and studying law part time and also looking after a 13 year old and baby. She feels well in herself but wants to know everything is okay. I will set up a meeting with my mentor but would love any advice/experience you all may have with Placental abruption. Thank you Rachel (1st yr Bmid) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] DIY Caesarean story Hi, How is this for doing it yourself? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/01/1086037758224.html Pretty amazing! Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz Tracey
here are the transcripts for this newspaper article: SECTION: ANN PEACOCK: TALES OF A MODERN WOMAN; Pg. 118 HEADLINE: Not the unkindest cut BYLINE: Ann Peacock BODY: FULL credit to 60 Minutes last week for highlighting the growing debate about caesarean section births. The issue was recently stirred up after I read comments by UK actor Kate Winslet, who admitted she had originally lied about having a natural birth. Her daughter, 4, with her first husband, was born by emergency c-section, though she said at the time that Mia's birth was an uncomplicated natural birth. But she recently told a magazine: I've gone to great pains to cover it up. But Mia was an emergency c-section. I just said I had a natural birth because I was so completely traumatised by the fact that I hadn't given birth. I felt like a complete failure. I was again dismayed when, talking about the issue with a few colleagues, one girl felt the same way as Winslet: as though a caesarean made you less of a woman and, for some, less of a mother. How such a horrible thought could enter the minds of these mums astounds me. Having a caesar -- for whatever reason, be it preventative medical or merely convenience -- is a personal choice that should never become a rule for advocates of one or another view. That some advocates assume those who have chosen a caesarean are any less of a mother is shocking. Perhaps my opinion is coloured by my experience. My first birth had to be an emergency c-section when, after 16 hours of labour, my baby was becoming distressed without making any sort of entrance. As a result, and with the safety of baby No. 2 in mind, I booked for a caesar next time around. Not once have I felt less of a mother as a result. Mothering happens after the birth, in case no one has noticed. Perhaps the tainted image of the c-section has developed through nonsense about women who have chosen the procedure instead of natural births -- the high and mighty who have been dubbed too posh to push. In the 60 Minutes story by Liz Hayes, we met a woman who tried to give birth naturally and endured 20 hours of labour -- only to end up with the baby severely distressed. An emergency caesar was performed, but the baby sadly died. This woman went on to have a divine child, now aged 4, by caesarean. Some may argue women can feel failures after caesareans. But judging a woman's worth as a mother based on her experience with birth is not wise. Newsreader Tracey Curro appeared on the program. She has had both her children by caesarean and made the most sensible observation. I don't subscribe to the notion that a vaginal birth is some kind of rite of passage to complete womanhood or to be being a real mother, she said. Everything that makes having children a priceless experience begins after they're born. LOAD-DATE: June 5, 2004 At 01:12 PM 6/06/2004, you wrote: Reading my paper over breakfast, we find a half page spread from Ann Peacock (Herald Sun - Melbourne, p 118) giving full credit to 60 mins and co. And from her personal experience having had a emergency LUSCS for her first child, naturally with the safety of No 2 baby in mind, booked straight in for another LUSCS! Her quote Mothering happens after the birth, in case no one has noticed. You can contact her on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheryl _ Get a Virgin Credit Card and win an adventure: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;8661322;9498324;s?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/firstbirthday/track.cfm?source=N92 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Alphia Possamai-Inesedy Ba (Hons.) PhD. Candidate School of Applied and Human Sciences Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney UWS Locked Bag 1797 South Penrith Distribution Centre NSW 1797 Australia Phone: 02 97726628 Fax: 02 97726584
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz Tracey
Here is my letter to the editor. Wonder if it will get a viewing. Trish Dear Editor In response to Anne Peacock's defense of Tracy Curro's and Liz Hayes' assertions on childbirth and mothering in the story recently aired on 60 Minutes, may I make the following comments. Childbirth and mothering are such emotive, personal, self-defining processes that I think it is near impossible for journalists (and experts such as midwives and medical people) to maintain a standard of objectivity and ethical distance when talking in generalities. What I mean is, journalists have an obligation to the public to declare an interest where it might possibly conflict with informing the public on an issue. We as midwives have an ethical obligation to centre our practice on the woman and her choices without our own experiences clouding our objectivity. But with childbearing and mothering it seems (as these affect every person on the planet) everyone has the notion that what they did/chose/believed in is what should be the case for everyone. This generalising of a moral position is fine for the lay person. But journalists should be held to account for this, I believe. They are not allowed to comment on (for example) Qantas or a bank favourably if they are receiving benefits from those companies without declaring their interest (viz cash for comment). When women journalists set a standard based on what they chose, they should declare that they chose one way, that there are many other ways of giving birth, but they should be very mindful of the ethical issue of their ability to influence. I don't believe they are playing by the rules with this ethic. They should also be held to account on issues of fact as well. Overwhelming amounts of literature from psychology, sociology and even anatomy and physiology tells us that mothering begins in the womb with how you are mothered. It is part of a social and biological milieu in which social practices and mores and biology are irreducible. In pregnancy (and before) women fantasise about the baby, create an identity for the baby, and this identity is influenced by her wishes, desires and cultural understandings of what is acceptable from her as a mother and from the baby as a gendered individual (hence if it's a boy inside it kicks like a footballer, and if it's a girl, it kicks like a ballerina as an example). This in turn, I believe from reading and research into this issue as part of my own PhD studies, creates a dialectic between woman and fantasy/biological baby that shapes her own maternal identity in response. Clearly, mothering begins earlier than after the birth. In fact, I believe based on reading, research, conversations with mothers, long years of observation in a professional capacity, and finally my own experience, that what happens after the birth is nowhere near as influencial in creating a mother as what happens before. And, may I say, the day of birth is a profound marker, no matter how the birth itself is conducted. The evidence on this is incontrovertable. Using the argument put forward by Anne Peacock and Tracy Curro is, I contend, mere rationalisation of the choices they made, rather than a considered journalistic statement. As such, they should not be taken any more seriously than a letter to the editor from a lay public citizen. The problem is, they will be because of the journalists authority, and as such their journalistic integrity should be called into question. Yours sincerely Trish David Senior Lecturer Midwifery Monash University Gippsland. Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading my paper over breakfast, we find a half page spread from Ann Peacock (Herald Sun - Melbourne, p 118) giving full credit to 60 mins and co. And from her personal experience having had a emergency LUSCS for her first child, naturally with the safety of No 2 baby in mind, booked straight in for another LUSCS! Her quote Mothering happens after the birth, in case no one has noticed. You can contact her on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheryl _ Get a Virgin Credit Card and win an adventure: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;8661322;9498324;s?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/firstbirthday/track.cfm?source=N92 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Trish David FACM Senior Lecturer Midwifery and Nursing Monash University School of Nursing Gippsland Campus Northways Road Churchill 3842 (03) 5122 6839 0418 994033 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Ann Peacock defends Liz Tracey
Dear Trish Congratulations on a wonderful letter, wish I was a wordsmith!! Judy -- -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] breech baby wisdom
Does anyone know if there is compelling evidence why a VBAC should be ruled out because baby is in breech position, to add to it the feet are down, not bum? Mum is about 35-36 weeks, planned homebirth, excellent supportive OBs, and has a week ahead of bookings and tricks to help baby turn, Obs is also supportive of ECV if necessary. Bubs just did the flip last week. Any thought on this would be grately appreciated. Its strange to hear comments from the likes of Ann Peacock and Tracy Curo and to know and be with someone who would move heaven and earth for the chance of a vaginal birth. Thanks Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Anne Peacock
What a brilliant letter, it has given me plenty of food for thought, and states what a lot of us feel but can't put into words. Well done Trish Sheena Johnson
Re: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test
Thanks to everyone who replied. Before I started mid, as an average consumer, I assumed that there is one "right" answer or one "right way to do things for anything that had something to do with science... I had no idea therecould be so much variation between labs, hospitals, countries, doctors, midwives, etc, etc. Fascinating. Jen Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jen: it depends what the lab is testing for: it may well be the same throughout australia (ie from state to state but varied considerably from state to state in the usa). Since you are mostly testing for gentetic errors in metabolism you have to wait long enough for the metabolism to occur after the baby has begun receiving milk but quickly enough for the error to be detected before damage is done to the baby. Eg in the state of washington we did 2 heel pricks: day 3 and day 7. In California one on day 3 (72hrs) as here in Qld. marilyn - Original Message - From: Jen Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] heel prick/Guthrie test Regarding heel prick/Guthrie test... protocol atthe hospitals I've done placements is 48 hours post-birth. I wonder if it makes any difference whether it's done on day 2, 3, or 5? Jen 3rd year BMid studentKirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, midwives do administer Vit K via intramuscular injection when that isthe plan, or more often, the hospital protocol.The heel prick test is done on day 5 so for where I work it is done by thevisiting midwifery serviceKirsten Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
