Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources

[Susan Cudlipp]

Had an interesting chat with a woman in clinic yesterday - wants an epidural 
as she is "such a wimp - can't even stand stubbing her toe, or going to the 
dentist!"
I assured her that I hated stubbing a toe too and as far as the dentist was 
concerned - give me childbirth any day (had  a funny conversation with my 
dentist re: this while under the N2O for an extraction - 'natural' 
dentistry? No Thanks!)
In the end I think I persuaded her to at least maintain an open mind.  The 
problem with 'booked' epidurals in our unit is that we don't have 
anaesthetists on site so the women who absolutely insist on having one often 
end up booking an induction so that they can be sure to get the epidural. 
Then, of course, we are on that well known slippery slide of intervention.
Further to the thread on epidural policies etc.  Recently I was looking 
after a primip who had had a long hard posterior labour and was finally 
getting there.  Doctor came in while she was pushing baby around and up and 
asked if she wanted a top up.  I was a little taken aback as have always 
held not to top up at that stage, but as he had 'offered' it she accepted 
and so we had no say.  His view was that the drugs used now are mainly 
analgesic rather than anaesthetic and therefor should not interfere with 
pushing sensation.
Well she did have it and it did not seem to impede her progress, she said it 
made some difference to the pain and tiredness so I had to concede that it 
may not be best to withold top ups for 2nd stage.  Although I feel that if 
she had not got as far as she was (about 20cents worth on view with pushes) 
it may have been a different story.

Sue
Ps  Lieve - you are a breath of fresh air with your lovely words of wisdom 
and humour, I enjoy your posts very much.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing"

Edmund Burke
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From: "Lieve Huybrechts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources



I still have no ear piercings,will you come and hold my hand :-)))

Lieve

Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


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Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources





I think one reason why women fear the pain of childbirth so much is
that they know that no one is being straight with them about "Just how

bad is it?"  I think that being descriptive about what I felt ("like a
molten hot basket ball being pressed down into my crotch every 3 minutes
with just enough time to barely get myself together before the next big
press") AND also letting women know that I'm the world's biggest wimp
when it comes to pain (didn't have my ears pierced till I was 34 y.o.
and then had to lie in bed whimpering for 24 hrs after) and yet I've had
3 natural births, is empowering.  I also find that if a woman is friends
with other women who have done it she's more likely to go the distance.
I tell the women they can have the "pay now plan" or the "pay later
plan" with re to pain in birth.  The "pay now" route gets it done in one
day (natural birth), the "pay later" route means a low grade insidious
pain that can last beyond six weeks (epidural headache, backache,
stitches healing, or worse after c sec).  The biggest benefit of the
"pay now" route is that you have a child with all the brain cells Nature
intended for him/her.  That is a reward that you reap for your whole
life for just one day of courage.




Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada









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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources

[Andrea Quanchi]

Did anyone see Oprah getting her ears pierced on her show recently it 
was hysterical.  Just reinforced my lack of desire to have mine done 
and I gave birth to three big babies without much trouble at all.

Andrea Q
On 25/05/2005, at 4:10 PM, Lieve Huybrechts wrote:


I still have no ear piercings,will you come and hold my hand :-)))

Lieve

Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


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Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens G Lemay
Verzonden: dinsdag 24 mei 2005 18:00
Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources





I think one reason why women fear the pain of childbirth so much is
that they know that no one is being straight with them about "Just how

bad is it?"  I think that being descriptive about what I felt ("like a
molten hot basket ball being pressed down into my crotch every 3 
minutes

with just enough time to barely get myself together before the next big
press") AND also letting women know that I'm the world's biggest wimp
when it comes to pain (didn't have my ears pierced till I was 34 y.o.
and then had to lie in bed whimpering for 24 hrs after) and yet I've 
had
3 natural births, is empowering.  I also find that if a woman is 
friends

with other women who have done it she's more likely to go the distance.
I tell the women they can have the "pay now plan" or the "pay later
plan" with re to pain in birth.  The "pay now" route gets it done in 
one

day (natural birth), the "pay later" route means a low grade insidious
pain that can last beyond six weeks (epidural headache, backache,
stitches healing, or worse after c sec).  The biggest benefit of the
"pay now" route is that you have a child with all the brain cells 
Nature

intended for him/her.  That is a reward that you reap for your whole
life for just one day of courage.




Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada









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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources

[Jennifairy]

I had my ears pierced at 12, I remember it was 'cold' - they must have 
used some kind of spray on local or something. Got a tattoo on my 
stomach 4 years ago, it kinda stung going on, (took about an hour or so 
to do), I kept having to 'unclench' my jaw every now & then while it was 
happening... but still find myself thinking about 'my next tattoo'. 
& had 2 wonderful girls pass through my vagina (not both at the same 
time), the last one just over 4kg, a waterbirth at home (& Im pretty 
small) & can honestly say that the sensations I experienced with birth 
are on a completely different scale! (& my tattoo is not now asking for 
new clothes, make-up & violin lessons)
The big difference I think between all these kind of things & childbirth 
is the lack of those lovely endorphins in 'normal' pain (ie not birth)! 
& in our western cultures I think we tend to avoid pain and/or 
discomfort at any opportunity, so we never really allow ourselves to 
learn the coping mechanisms/processes that would come in handy when we 
are faced with these kind of situations... watch animals in labour - 
they just seem to cope, even when in pain not labour-based (unless they 
are pet rabbits - they just tend to keel over in my experience!) We know 
theres a 'way out', & if you tend not to view labour pain/discomfort as 
'for a purpose', then you will take the way out.
Gloria I like your 'pay now plan' scenario, makes a lot of sense that it 
would be an effective way of helping women to see the long-term reality 
of their decisions to anaesthetise them selves or not. I'm really glad 
you have joined our Forum, your words are touching me deeply, & as a 
'beginner' in private practice Im thankful to have the many wise women 
on this list to guide me...

Anybody know of a good tattooist in Brisbane? :))
Jennifairy

Andrea Quanchi wrote:

Did anyone see Oprah getting her ears pierced on her show recently it 
was hysterical.  Just reinforced my lack of desire to have mine done 
and I gave birth to three big babies without much trouble at all.

Andrea Q
On 25/05/2005, at 4:10 PM, Lieve Huybrechts wrote:


I still have no ear piercings,will you come and hold my hand :-)))

Lieve

Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens G Lemay
Verzonden: dinsdag 24 mei 2005 18:00
Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources





I think one reason why women fear the pain of childbirth so much is
that they know that no one is being straight with them about "Just how


bad is it?"  I think that being descriptive about what I felt ("like a
molten hot basket ball being pressed down into my crotch every 3 minutes
with just enough time to barely get myself together before the next big
press") AND also letting women know that I'm the world's biggest wimp
when it comes to pain (didn't have my ears pierced till I was 34 y.o.
and then had to lie in bed whimpering for 24 hrs after) and yet I've had
3 natural births, is empowering.  I also find that if a woman is friends
with other women who have done it she's more likely to go the distance.
I tell the women they can have the "pay now plan" or the "pay later
plan" with re to pain in birth.  The "pay now" route gets it done in one
day (natural birth), the "pay later" route means a low grade insidious
pain that can last beyond six weeks (epidural headache, backache,
stitches healing, or worse after c sec).  The biggest benefit of the
"pay now" route is that you have a child with all the brain cells Nature
intended for him/her.  That is a reward that you reap for your whole
life for just one day of courage.





Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada









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[ozmidwifery] Yeah!

[Mary Murphy]

Quote of the Week

"Nothing
will change as long as women say nothing— Cynthia Blynn

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Yeah!

[Justine Caines]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Yeah!




"Nothing will change as long as women say nothing— Cynthia Blynn


Excellent Mary, as long as midwives don’t shoot the messenger (been getting a bit of that lately!!)
Women centred seems such a prostituted term!!

JC
xx

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources

[Barry & Sonja]

It was very funny to watch Oprah have her ears pierced!!!  Along this track,
my mother says that childbirth is like that tooth ache you get if you need
root canal therapy! only much more bearable because you get breaks in
between!!
Sonja
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources


> Did anyone see Oprah getting her ears pierced on her show recently it
> was hysterical.  Just reinforced my lack of desire to have mine done
> and I gave birth to three big babies without much trouble at all.
> Andrea Q
> On 25/05/2005, at 4:10 PM, Lieve Huybrechts wrote:
>
> > I still have no ear piercings,will you come and hold my hand :-)))
> >
> > Lieve
> >
> > Lieve Huybrechts
> > vroedvrouw
> > 0477/740853
> >
> >
> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens G Lemay
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 24 mei 2005 18:00
> > Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> > Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I think one reason why women fear the pain of childbirth so much is
> >> that they know that no one is being straight with them about "Just how
> > bad is it?"  I think that being descriptive about what I felt ("like a
> > molten hot basket ball being pressed down into my crotch every 3
> > minutes
> > with just enough time to barely get myself together before the next big
> > press") AND also letting women know that I'm the world's biggest wimp
> > when it comes to pain (didn't have my ears pierced till I was 34 y.o.
> > and then had to lie in bed whimpering for 24 hrs after) and yet I've
> > had
> > 3 natural births, is empowering.  I also find that if a woman is
> > friends
> > with other women who have done it she's more likely to go the distance.
> > I tell the women they can have the "pay now plan" or the "pay later
> > plan" with re to pain in birth.  The "pay now" route gets it done in
> > one
> > day (natural birth), the "pay later" route means a low grade insidious
> > pain that can last beyond six weeks (epidural headache, backache,
> > stitches healing, or worse after c sec).  The biggest benefit of the
> > "pay now" route is that you have a child with all the brain cells
> > Nature
> > intended for him/her.  That is a reward that you reap for your whole
> > life for just one day of courage.
> >>
> >>
> > Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources

[Jo Bourne]

Oh I have to disagree, I have had a tooth abscess and it is WAY worse than 
natural birth. There is no mental work you can do to make sense of broken limbs 
or dying teeth - you are in pain because something is VERY wrong. This is 
nothing like labour (was for me). It is likely that I was in more pain during 
labour but it was a very different kind of pain and far more manageable there 
was mental work I could do to get through it and the whole thing had a point. I 
think pain from the body doing its job is far more manageable than pain from 
the body being damaged.

At 9:04 AM +1000 26/5/05, Barry & Sonja wrote:
>It was very funny to watch Oprah have her ears pierced!!!  Along this track,
>my mother says that childbirth is like that tooth ache you get if you need
>root canal therapy! only much more bearable because you get breaks in
>between!!
>Sonja
>- Original Message -
>From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources
>
>
>> Did anyone see Oprah getting her ears pierced on her show recently it
>> was hysterical.  Just reinforced my lack of desire to have mine done
>> and I gave birth to three big babies without much trouble at all.
>> Andrea Q
>> On 25/05/2005, at 4:10 PM, Lieve Huybrechts wrote:
>>
>> > I still have no ear piercings,will you come and hold my hand :-)))
>> >
>> > Lieve
>> >
>> > Lieve Huybrechts
>> > vroedvrouw
>> > 0477/740853
>> >
>> >
>> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens G Lemay
>> > Verzonden: dinsdag 24 mei 2005 18:00
>> > Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>> > Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: Pain relief resources
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think one reason why women fear the pain of childbirth so much is
>> >> that they know that no one is being straight with them about "Just how
>> > bad is it?"  I think that being descriptive about what I felt ("like a
>> > molten hot basket ball being pressed down into my crotch every 3
>> > minutes
>> > with just enough time to barely get myself together before the next big
>> > press") AND also letting women know that I'm the world's biggest wimp
>> > when it comes to pain (didn't have my ears pierced till I was 34 y.o.
>> > and then had to lie in bed whimpering for 24 hrs after) and yet I've
>> > had
>> > 3 natural births, is empowering.  I also find that if a woman is
>> > friends
>> > with other women who have done it she's more likely to go the distance.
>> > I tell the women they can have the "pay now plan" or the "pay later
>> > plan" with re to pain in birth.  The "pay now" route gets it done in
>> > one
>> > day (natural birth), the "pay later" route means a low grade insidious
>> > pain that can last beyond six weeks (epidural headache, backache,
>> > stitches healing, or worse after c sec).  The biggest benefit of the
>> > "pay now" route is that you have a child with all the brain cells
>> > Nature
>> > intended for him/her.  That is a reward that you reap for your whole
>> > life for just one day of courage.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil

[Mrs Joanne M Fisher]

Thanks to Miriam, Julie and Anne for your replies to my query re-evening
primrose oil.

Cheers, Joanne.

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To: "Ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil


> Hi Mim and Joanne,
> I as Mim says I've seen evening primrose oil used to ripen the cx of post
> date women in the Philippines 40+1-2 weeks. What we did was pierce a hole
in
> the gel capsule (one) and squirt the contence around high in the vagina.
> Either these overdue women would have gone into labour anyway, it was
> placebic/psychological or just another excuse to stir things up a bit I
cant
> be sure of unless someone does the research. Seemed to work, no side that
I
> saw. Sorry I cant be more specific, I have been meaning to look this up
but
> haven't had the reason or opportunity since I've been back. I read the
list
> every day and have done for several years now, I find this midwifery
> collective consciousness invaluable:) Look forward to what you uncover.
> Julie (3rd year BMid fusa)
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Miriam Hannay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil
>
>
> >
> > --- Hi Joanne, I have no experience with this method
> > but spoke some months ago to a fellow Bmid student who
> > came across it while on a clinical placement at a free
> > standing birth centre in the Phillipines.
> >
> > Apparently the capsule is pierced then inserted into
> > the vagina where the contents are squirted around the
> > cervix, i'm not aure of dose etc but the student
> > (Julie) is aporadically onlist I think so i'll text
> > her and ask her to post more specific details.
> >
> > hope you have good luck with it! regards, miriam (2nd
> > yr bmid fusa).



> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone used/advised evening primrose oil vaginally to ripen the cervix
> of overdue women?  If so, what dose?  Is the capsule of oil opened first
or
> does it dissolve once inserted.  Any studies done on this procedure at
all?
> What are the possible side effects and hazards?  How "overdue" do you
> recommend to use it?  How often can it be inserted?  What time of the day
is
> best to insert it?  I've heard that a tampon can be used to help keep it
in
> place, is this so?  Thanks heaps.
>
> Cheers Joanne



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[Nicole Carver]

Dear fellow list members,

What is your practice regarding the timing of the first bath, in a hospital
setting? One of my colleagues is re-examining our current practice of
delaying the first bath until approx 24hrs, and after babe's temp is
confirmed to be normal. We are keen to know the rationale for other
midwives' practice, including it's impact on the infant's temperature and
risk of infection.

Your input would be most appreciated.

Nicole Carver.


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[ozmidwifery] monochorionic diamniotic twins birth in a public hospital, hopefully vaginal.

[Lindsay & Yvette]

Hello list.  I've subscribed so I can submit details of my situation 
for anyone who wants to respond, and so I can keep an eye out for anything that 
comes up about twins births.  I'm not a midwife or anything, so I hope it's 
ok to do this.
 
I'm a public patient at Box Hill hospital in Melbourne, and due to have 
twin girls on 5th Sept, or by 38 weeks which is 22nd Aug.  They are 
identical, sharing a placenta but each in her own amniotic sac.  I want a 
vaginal birth without unnecessary intervention provided this is safe.  I'm 
looking for any advice, information, studies, articles, comments etc relevant to 
my situation.  I'm having ultrasounds every 2 weeks, and no signs of TTTS 
as yet, though their sizes have been varying.  The baby girls have been 
fine and are kicking and wiggling nicely.
 
The hospital has a 'know your midwife' thing, so I know and am happy with 
the midwife who will be attending me.  She was with me for the birth of my 
11 month old son at the same hospital.  I'll also have my husband and a 
support person with me, and hopefully my 2 daughters, 12 & 8. My daughters 
were both born at home, and all 3 of my births so far have been vaginal with no 
drugs or intervention.  I'm 39 and in good health, no GD, no high BP ever, 
no health probs.  I'm 5'6" and 75 kg at 25 weeks.  I've always gone 13 
hours from the very first contraction, and the waters have always broken 1-3 
hours before the birth, with the head never engaging until well into 
labour.  My son turned himself from posterior a couple of hours 
before birth while I was lying on my side.
 
The hospital tell me I will have one of the 11 consultants attending me, 
and he/she will be running it, but my midwife may get to catch the first 
baby.  They say I must be induced if I get past 38 weeks, and they very 
much want me to have an epidural incase of needing to reach in for the second 
baby.  They don't want more than 10 mins between babies.  One Ob I saw 
said no vaginal births are done for this type of pg, one I've seen since then 
says it can be attempted if 1st one presents head down, but 65% of all twins in 
Melb are born by c/section.  I've asked about having the epi in with no 
drugs in it, but it seems it depends on the views/wishes of whichever 
anaesthetist happens to be on when I get there.  If I go earlier than 32-34 
weeks I get transferred to Monash, & they've told me over the phone that I 
would get a c/section for monochorionic diamniotic twins.
 
My impression is that changing hospitals will not increase my chances of a 
vaginal birth, I'm just going to have to be very well informed & prepared to 
refuse treatment if necessary.  Getting info from the hospital is extremely 
difficult.  The Ob appointments are 10 minutes, they just don't have time 
to discuss.  The midwife doesn't have the same time problems & I've 
decided to just see her & have the u/s & not bother with most of the Ob 
appointments as they just don't have time to talk to me.  I've written to 
the head of obstetrics though, requesting a proper appointment just for the 
purpose of discussing the birth.  I feel it's important to get their take 
on things so I know what I'll be dealing with.  Also, because I have to 
have a consultant present, I want to arrive at the hospital early so I know who 
I'm dealing with and have time to discuss with them while I'm not in strong 
contractions.
 
AMBA don't seem to have any birth info, but I've been to one of their 
ante natal nights anyway just to start meeting people.  I've been reading 
all the twins birth stories I can find, but have not found any info about 
differences in types of twins pregnancies, ie sharing a placenta increasing the 
risks, or discussion on when c/section is really needed and when it 
isn't. 
 
I'm trying to understand what the risks are that we'll be looking 
for.  What can happen with cord prolapse and how can you anticipate 
it?  Just to clarify, my twins are monochorionic, 
diamniotic - 2 sacs, 1 placenta.  They are 
not mo mo twins, where cord prolapse & cord issues in general 
would be much more of a risk, but I gather cord prolapse is still a risk with 
diamniotic twins as there is more chance of waters breaking before the head has 
engaged for the first, (I'm not sure why), and for the second baby waters 
breaking while she is still high up or breech or transverse.  Zygosity 
was diagnosed at the 12 week ultrasound, and I've had u/s every 2 weeks 
since 18 weeks, so there's no uncertainty about the 1 placenta & 2 
sacs. Might cutting the first cord cause extra blood flow to the second 
baby and that creates a time limit?  What can happen with the second 
baby moving into position and coming down?  If the contractions don't come 
back fast enough I'll be under time pressure, if they come too fast they'll be 
worried about the placenta separating or the 2nd baby getting squashed into a 
bad position.  What is the problem with time between babies and how does it 
relate t

[ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies

[sally]

Pardon my ignorance, but what would be the risk of infection?
I think as long as the babe's temp is ok and it hasn't been compromised in
any way it doesn't really matter. As long as the parents are happy. I
certainly wouldn't be bathing the baby if the parents were unable to
participate, at any stage after the birth.
A bath is a bath, I don't think we need guidelines or a rationale, surely?
( I seem to remember posts about this subject earlier in the year, am I
right?)

Sally
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From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmid" 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:50 PM


> Dear fellow list members,
>
> What is your practice regarding the timing of the first bath, in a
hospital
> setting? One of my colleagues is re-examining our current practice of
> delaying the first bath until approx 24hrs, and after babe's temp is
> confirmed to be normal. We are keen to know the rationale for other
> midwives' practice, including it's impact on the infant's temperature and
> risk of infection.
>
> Your input would be most appreciated.
>
> Nicole Carver.
>
>
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies

[Nicole Carver]

Hi Sally,
I am passing on the message on behalf of someone else. However, one possible
reason for concern about infection might be if mum is a Hep B or C carrier.
Currently we bath babes of these women as soon as we can. Others we wait for
at least 24 hours to do first bath.
Nicole.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of sally
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:57 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: bathing babies


Pardon my ignorance, but what would be the risk of infection?
I think as long as the babe's temp is ok and it hasn't been compromised in
any way it doesn't really matter. As long as the parents are happy. I
certainly wouldn't be bathing the baby if the parents were unable to
participate, at any stage after the birth.
A bath is a bath, I don't think we need guidelines or a rationale, surely?
( I seem to remember posts about this subject earlier in the year, am I
right?)

Sally
- Original Message -
From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ozmid" 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:50 PM


> Dear fellow list members,
>
> What is your practice regarding the timing of the first bath, in a
hospital
> setting? One of my colleagues is re-examining our current practice of
> delaying the first bath until approx 24hrs, and after babe's temp is
> confirmed to be normal. We are keen to know the rationale for other
> midwives' practice, including it's impact on the infant's temperature and
> risk of infection.
>
> Your input would be most appreciated.
>
> Nicole Carver.
>
>
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