Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step

2006-04-29 Thread jesse/jayne
A :)  Wonderful Pinky and many, many congratulations!  I can't wait for
my grandbabies!

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step


 What a lovely story.

 Now I have one -my daughter Larissa had an exquisite waterbirth at Monash
 Birth centre on Monday - no drugs, no stitches, lovely gentle hands off
 midwives.
 Thanks to Monique, Lainie and Fiona.

 Larissa has started motherhood confident and intuitively - breastfeeding
 beautifully, hubby is very proud of her and baby and she is impressed with
 his support during labour/ birth so a wonderful start to being a family.

 I am in oxytocin 'overload' both from the birth and baby cuddling ( he
 hasn't yet been 'out of arms') -I feel as though 'nothing else matters'
 rather like when I had my own babies -its a beautiful space.

 Pinky
 www.pinky-mychild.com

 - Original Message - 
 From: The Johnsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:23 PM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] a small step


 A good news story of persistence getting the desired result in a private
  hospital. I recently underwent a second Caesar to deliver my daughter,
and
  with the help of my independent midwife was able to have a really good
  experience in a hospital somewhat known for being a stickler for
  regulations
  (ie we got away with deviating from the norm). Firstly we made it clear
  from
  the beginning that my midwife would be in the theatre with me from the
  word
  go. She did a lot of phoning and meeting people in the days leading up
to
  ensure that this would happen. There was some concern that there would
be
  too many people in the operating theatre, which was ironic considering
  four
  people (two nursing students and two doctoral students) came and asked
  permission to watch the Caesar.
 
  It was great having her there to support me both physically and
  emotionally
  from the spinal (where she cradled me in her arms and described
everything
  that was happening so it was easier) to taking photos of our baby's
birth,
  cutting the cord for us (husband didn't want to) and bringing us our
  gorgeous girl. She then accompanied me to recovery, while my husband
went
  with the baby. She suggested at the time that the baby could come with
us
  to
  recovery, even if no midwifery staff were available from the hospital.
My
  husband then took up the baton upstairs and pretty much insisted that we
  had
  a perfectly good midwife with me in recovery and a few minutes later my
  baby
  was with me and we were working on our first breastfeed. We all went up
to
  our room together and she stayed and took photos of our son meeting his
  little sister for the first time, and of her grandparents getting to
know
  her, and helping getting her back on the breast. She stayed with us
until
  we
  were all settled and happy. It made having to have a repeat Caesar a
  really
  positive experience. Hopefully now that hospital will be more
  accommodating
  of other women wanting to have independent midwife care as well.
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step

2006-04-29 Thread Katy O'Neill
Reading this made me think of a conversation I had with one of our cleaners
this morning.  She  came and sat next to me when I was doing the reports and
said  I thought you could not have a NVD after 2 LSCS.  Upon discussion it
turned out she had been watching the Discovery channel  and a women had come
into the ER in labour with a history of 1 LCSC, 1NVD, 1LSCS  and had
delivered yelling she could not deliver vaginally as she had to have a LCSC.
Needless to say I have given the cleaning woman the correct info and pointed
out that  the  American women she watched did deliver vaginally with no ill
effects (but no doubt much drama).  Sad the amount of miss info out there.
Katy.
- Original Message -
From: The Johnsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:23 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] a small step


 A good news story of persistence getting the desired result in a private
 hospital. I recently underwent a second Caesar to deliver my daughter, and
 with the help of my independent midwife was able to have a really good
 experience in a hospital somewhat known for being a stickler for
regulations
 (ie we got away with deviating from the norm). Firstly we made it clear
from
 the beginning that my midwife would be in the theatre with me from the
word
 go. She did a lot of phoning and meeting people in the days leading up to
 ensure that this would happen. There was some concern that there would be
 too many people in the operating theatre, which was ironic considering
four
 people (two nursing students and two doctoral students) came and asked
 permission to watch the Caesar.

 It was great having her there to support me both physically and
emotionally
 from the spinal (where she cradled me in her arms and described everything
 that was happening so it was easier) to taking photos of our baby's birth,
 cutting the cord for us (husband didn't want to) and bringing us our
 gorgeous girl. She then accompanied me to recovery, while my husband went
 with the baby. She suggested at the time that the baby could come with us
to
 recovery, even if no midwifery staff were available from the hospital. My
 husband then took up the baton upstairs and pretty much insisted that we
had
 a perfectly good midwife with me in recovery and a few minutes later my
baby
 was with me and we were working on our first breastfeed. We all went up to
 our room together and she stayed and took photos of our son meeting his
 little sister for the first time, and of her grandparents getting to know
 her, and helping getting her back on the breast. She stayed with us until
we
 were all settled and happy. It made having to have a repeat Caesar a
really
 positive experience. Hopefully now that hospital will be more
accommodating
 of other women wanting to have independent midwife care as well.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems

2006-04-29 Thread sharon



sue that is sad, i also work at a large hospital in 
adelaide and this certainly never happens as it is hospital protocol that all 
women who are on ctg have a midwife with them, i hope your expereinces elsewhere 
are better than that particular one.
regards

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sue 
  Cookson 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:19 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on 
  satellite systems
  Hi,I was a student at a large Adelaide hospital and last 
  year I witnessedmost of the midwives staying at the front desk for most of 
  the time watching 'their' women's CTGs.I found it appalling - that we as 
  students were observing this as modern midwifery management; that the women 
  were treated with such lack of compassion and skill; that this was a large 
  teaching hospital - no wonder most of the young doctors have no idea about 
  normal birth.Needless to say I complained to appropriate sources and have 
  refused to revisit that hospital for a clinical placement.Let me get a 
  sore back and dirty knees any day and maybe I'd also have some idea of the 
  woman I was assisting through birth and some idea of how I could help her 
  achieve what she wanted.Sue
  



the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute 
for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i 
work in and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst 
she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are 
intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that 
the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her 
partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift 
co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical 
officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the 
individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is 
like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending 
her.
regards 

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly 
  @ BellyBelly 
  To: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: 
  Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM
  Subject: 
  [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
  
  
  I was at a birth the last few 
  days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are 
  soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, 
  so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were 
  joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them 
  to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does 
  anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to 
  one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very 
  sad…
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
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[ozmidwifery] Waterbirth in Melb SW Suburbs

2006-04-29 Thread Kelly @ BellyBelly








Can anyone tell me of any hospitals in the SW suburbs of Melbourne that allow
waterbirths? 

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
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Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step

2006-04-29 Thread diane

Congrats Pinky,
Im waiting on my own step-grandbaby (now 30 wks). Although mum is quite 
young and im worrying myself senseless about how she will manage the birth, 
she not even sure that she wants me there for all of the birth (she said 
just not for the bit where it's coming out 'cause its too embarrasing!! 
Oh well , Justine tells me she is in good hands. She has already devloped a 
risk factor with gestational diabetes, but Im looking at that as a 
positive as she is now watching her diet carefully (although it is only week 
one of the diet). Im hoping for a quick labour for her so it doesnt get too 
tough, Im trying to educate (by email mostly) as much as I can, I hope some 
is getting through!!! And of course I am getting her your book!!

Enjoy the new addition to your family.
Cheers,
Di
- Original Message - 
From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step



What a lovely story.

Now I have one -my daughter Larissa had an exquisite waterbirth at Monash 
Birth centre on Monday - no drugs, no stitches, lovely gentle hands off 
midwives.

Thanks to Monique, Lainie and Fiona.

Larissa has started motherhood confident and intuitively - breastfeeding 
beautifully, hubby is very proud of her and baby and she is impressed with 
his support during labour/ birth so a wonderful start to being a family.


I am in oxytocin 'overload' both from the birth and baby cuddling ( he 
hasn't yet been 'out of arms') -I feel as though 'nothing else matters' 
rather like when I had my own babies -its a beautiful space.


Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

- Original Message - 
From: The Johnsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:23 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] a small step



A good news story of persistence getting the desired result in a private
hospital. I recently underwent a second Caesar to deliver my daughter, 
and

with the help of my independent midwife was able to have a really good
experience in a hospital somewhat known for being a stickler for 
regulations
(ie we got away with deviating from the norm). Firstly we made it clear 
from
the beginning that my midwife would be in the theatre with me from the 
word

go. She did a lot of phoning and meeting people in the days leading up to
ensure that this would happen. There was some concern that there would be
too many people in the operating theatre, which was ironic considering 
four

people (two nursing students and two doctoral students) came and asked
permission to watch the Caesar.

It was great having her there to support me both physically and 
emotionally
from the spinal (where she cradled me in her arms and described 
everything
that was happening so it was easier) to taking photos of our baby's 
birth,

cutting the cord for us (husband didn't want to) and bringing us our
gorgeous girl. She then accompanied me to recovery, while my husband went
with the baby. She suggested at the time that the baby could come with us 
to

recovery, even if no midwifery staff were available from the hospital. My
husband then took up the baton upstairs and pretty much insisted that we 
had
a perfectly good midwife with me in recovery and a few minutes later my 
baby
was with me and we were working on our first breastfeed. We all went up 
to

our room together and she stayed and took photos of our son meeting his
little sister for the first time, and of her grandparents getting to know
her, and helping getting her back on the breast. She stayed with us until 
we
were all settled and happy. It made having to have a repeat Caesar a 
really
positive experience. Hopefully now that hospital will be more 
accommodating

of other women wanting to have independent midwife care as well.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems

2006-04-29 Thread Lisa Barrett



Hi sue and Sharon, you are right this is 
sad.Any woman who has a problem that needs to be monitored shouldn't need 
a protocol to tell the midwife theyshould be in the room with their 
lady. In fact every midwife should stay with their lady whether they need 
monitoring or not. (And the research of the benefitsof 
continuous monitoring VS. intermittent monitoring with a continuous known carer 
should also be thought about). Any chance you could name the 
big hospitals you work at so that we can make our clinical assessments on 
your experiences. 
Lisa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  sharon 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:41 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on 
  satellite systems
  
  sue that is sad, i also work at a large hospital 
  in adelaide and this certainly never happens as it is hospital protocol that 
  all women who are on ctg have a midwife with them, i hope your expereinces 
  elsewhere are better than that particular one.
  regards
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sue Cookson 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:19 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on 
satellite systems
Hi,I was a student at a large Adelaide hospital and last 
year I witnessedmost of the midwives staying at the front desk for most 
of the time watching 'their' women's CTGs.I found it appalling - that we 
as students were observing this as modern midwifery management; that the 
women were treated with such lack of compassion and skill; that this was a 
large teaching hospital - no wonder most of the young doctors have no idea 
about normal birth.Needless to say I complained to appropriate sources 
and have refused to revisit that hospital for a clinical 
placement.Let me get a sore back and dirty knees any day and maybe 
I'd also have some idea of the woman I was assisting through birth and some 
idea of how I could help her achieve what she wanted.Sue

  
  

  the efm on satellite systems does not 
  subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the 
  hosp that i work in and you still have to stay in the room with the 
  woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and 
  some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this 
  appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with 
  the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup 
  so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also 
  for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at 
  sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on 
  different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and 
  the midwife attending her.
  regards 
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Kelly @ BellyBelly 
To: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: 
Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems


I was at a birth the last 
few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) 
are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite 
system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. 
They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off 
and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right 
spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your 
thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which 
is very, very sad…
Best 
Regards,Kelly 
ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle 
Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Mothers Given Wrong Advice for 40 Years

2006-04-29 Thread denise thomson
In the UK there has been repeated talk of breastfeeding centile charts but no one has actually seen one. Instead the mothers are subjected to pre feed and after feed weighing in some hospitals, neither wonder people get stressed about breastfeeding! I wonder how long it will take these charts to come out over in Australia.   Do you have the centile charts for Down syndrome babies- these have been recognised as being required in the uk?  DeniseJo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The thing that surprises me is that most of my friends have exclusively breastfed and produced babies with rolls on their rolls and crevices so deep you can't find the bottom of them... My own daughter was off the chart at 6 months (she was exclusively breastfed until somewhere around 16 months). They did generally seem to look different to
 chubby formula babies though, sort of softer looking fat.At 10:42 AM +0800 25/4/06, Susan Cudlipp wrote:This is interesting Kelly and about time these wretched charts were consigned to the bin.I did a lactation course a few years ago and the facilitator asked us to all bring in our ownbabies health records, some of which were very old! It was obvious that all of us who had breast fed produced babies with very different growth patterns to that specified on the chart. She explained about the growth being based on formula feeding, which was something most of us were unaware of.Regards,Sue"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:13
 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Mothers Given Wrong Advice for 40 YearsBreastfeeding evolution in Britain - WHO changes guidelines...http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2147863,00.htmlMothers got wrong advice for 40 yearsSarah-Kate Templeton, Medical CorrespondentBREAST-FEEDING mothers have been given potentially harmful advice on infant nutrition for the past 40 years, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has admitted.Charts used in Britain for decades to advise mothers on a baby's optimum size have been based on the growth rates of infants fed on formula milk.The organisation now says the advice given to millions of breast-feeding mothers was distorted because babies fed on formula milk put on weight far faster.These breast-feeding mothers were wrongly told that their babies were
 underweight and were advised, or felt pressured, to fatten them up by giving them formula milk or extra solids.Health experts believe the growth charts may have contributed to childhood obesity and associated problems such as diabetes and heart disease in later life. A government study has found that more than a quarter of children in English secondary schools are clinically obese, almost double the proportion a decade ago.This week, the WHO will publish new growth standards based on a study of more than 8,000 breast-fed babies from six countries around the world. They will say the optimum size is that of a breast-fed baby.The move will put pressure on British doctors to replace charts which, for the last four decades, have taken into account the growth patterns of bottle-fed babies.Professor Tim Cole, of the Institute of Child Health at University College London, said: "We should change to a growth chart
 based on breast-fed babies. During their first year they do not put on as much weight as those fed on formula milk. Breast-fed babies are less likely to be fat later in life and to develop complications such as diabetes and heart disease."Six years ago, Cole developed an alternative chart based on breast-fed babies but it has never been endorsed by the British medical establishment. The Child Growth Foundation, a UK charity, campaigns for the adoption of Cole's chart.The foundation claims breast-fed babies are, on average, at 22lb at 12 months, about 1lb lighter than those fed solely on formula milk. It is thought that breast-fed babies grow more slowly in the first year because they control the rate at which they feed, rather than being tied to their parents' notion of meal times.Mercedes de Onis, who co-ordinates WHO child growth standards, said: "Breast-fed babies appear to self-regulate their energy intake to
 lowerlevels. Breast-fed babies have different metabolic rates and different sleeping patterns. Formula-fed babies seem to have higher intakes of energy and, as a result, are heavier."The American Academy of Pediatrics has warned that being overweight as a baby is a key early risk factor for heart disease and diabetes.The babies who were the models for the new WHO standards were selected for good health. They were all breast-fed, their mothers did not smoke and they received good health care.The WHO says babies should be fed solely on breast milk for up to six months. In Britain, fewer than 10% of babies are getting only breast milk by 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Mothers Given Wrong Advice for 40 Years

2006-04-29 Thread Jo Bourne
You can download the new WHO charts online now...

At 5:41 AM +0100 30/4/06, denise thomson wrote:
In the UK there has been repeated talk of breastfeeding centile charts but no 
one has actually seen one. Instead the mothers are subjected to pre feed and 
after feed weighing in some hospitals, neither wonder people get stressed 
about breastfeeding! I wonder how long it will take these charts to come out 
over in Australia.
Do you have the centile charts for Down syndrome babies- these have been 
recognised as being required in the uk?
Denise

Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The thing that surprises me is that most of my friends have exclusively 
breastfed and produced babies with rolls on their rolls and crevices so deep 
you can't find the bottom of them... My own daughter was off the chart at 6 
months (she was exclusively breastfed until somewhere around 16 months). They 
did generally seem to look different to chubby formula babies though, sort of 
softer looking fat.

At 10:42 AM +0800 25/4/06, Susan Cudlipp wrote:
This is interesting Kelly and about time these wretched charts were consigned 
to the bin.
I did a lactation course a few years ago and the facilitator asked us to all 
bring in our own babies health records, some of which were very old! It was 
obvious that all of us who had breast fed produced babies with very different 
growth patterns to that specified on the chart. She explained about the 
growth being based on formula feeding, which was something most of us were 
unaware of.
Regards,
Sue
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing
Edmund Burke

- Original Message -
From: Kelly @ BellyBelly
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Mothers Given Wrong Advice for 40 Years

Breastfeeding evolution in Britain - WHO changes guidelines...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2147863,00.html
Mothers got wrong advice for 40 yearsSarah-Kate Templeton, Medical 
Correspondent

BREAST-FEEDING mothers have been given potentially harmful advice on infant 
nutrition for the past 40 years, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has 
admitted.

Charts used in Britain for decades to advise mothers on a baby's optimum size 
have been based on the growth rates of infants fed on formula milk.

The organisation now says the advice given to millions of breast-feeding 
mothers was distorted because babies fed on formula milk put on weight far 
faster.

These breast-feeding mothers were wrongly told that their babies were 
underweight and were advised, or felt pressured, to fatten them up by giving 
them formula milk or extra solids.

Health experts believe the growth charts may have contributed to childhood 
obesity and associated problems such as diabetes and heart disease in later 
life. A government study has found that more than a quarter of children in 
English secondary schools are clinically obese, almost double the proportion 
a decade ago.

This week, the WHO will publish new growth standards based on a study of more 
than 8,000 breast-fed babies from six countries around the world. They will 
say the optimum size is that of a breast-fed baby.

The move will put pressure on British doctors to replace charts which, for 
the last four decades, have taken into account the growth patterns of 
bottle-fed babies.

Professor Tim Cole, of the Institute of Child Health at University College 
London, said: We should change to a growth chart based on breast-fed babies. 
During their first year they do not put on as much weight as those fed on 
formula milk. Breast-fed babies are less likely to be fat later in life and 
to develop complications such as diabetes and heart disease.

Six years ago, Cole developed an alternative chart based on breast-fed babies 
but it has never been endorsed by the British medical establishment. The 
Child Growth Foundation, a UK charity, campaigns for the adoption of Cole's 
chart.
 
The foundation claims breast-fed babies are, on average, at 22lb at 12 
months, about 1lb lighter than those fed solely on formula milk. It is 
thought that breast-fed babies grow more slowly in the first year because 
they control the rate at which they feed, rather than being tied to their 
parents' notion of meal times.

Mercedes de Onis, who co-ordinates WHO child growth standards, said: 
Breast-fed babies appear to self-regulate their energy intake to lower
levels. Breast-fed babies have different metabolic rates and different 
sleeping patterns. Formula-fed babies seem to have higher intakes of energy 
and, as a result, are heavier.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has warned that being overweight as a baby 
is a key early risk factor for heart disease and diabetes.

The babies who were the models for the new WHO standards were selected for 
good health. They were all breast-fed, their mothers did not smoke and they 
received good health care.

The WHO says babies