Re: [ozmidwifery] Strep B

[EKS]

Jassy - last time this discussion was on this list, I wrote a little
on it at my blog
(http://midwiferyiscatching.blogsome.com/2006/12/06/antibiotics-and-gbs-and-birth-oh-my/)
to give you some ideas. In your case - I'd consider using antibiotics
for a maybe situation when you are so allergic to some types already,
to be opening you up to a huge risk of allergic reactions...

Em

On 1/9/07, nunyara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,

I know info on this topic has been posted before but I deleted it all –
silly me as I now wish to ask some questions which have probably already
been covered.

I am 34 weeks pregnant and was not going to have the STREP B test but I have
done some further research and it suggests that all women SHOULD be tested
but antibiotics used during labour for a positive result may not be the way
to go.

To all the midwife's on this forum: is it necessary for me to have this
test? Is it in my and my babies best interest to do this?

If I tested positive (which I didn't with my first child, in fact I don't
even remember having the test) is the intravenous antibiotic really
necessary? I do not want this as I plan to have a water birth and I am also
highly allergic to penicillan and other forms of backup antibiotics.

I will raise this at my midwife appointment I am due for this week I would
just like some opinions.

Kind Regards

Jassy

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife in Canberra / area

[EKS]

No Sonja - could you send me their details please? Thanks to the
others who've offered names as well.

Em

On 1/7/07, Sonja & Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

have you tried Marie Heath from Goulburn or Jane Collings from Bowral.
Sonja
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Cosmo pregnancy magazine article - homebirth

[Kelly Zantey]

Just letting everyone know this spot has been filled - Janet got in very
quickly!

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Zantey

Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au

Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby

  BellyBelly Birth Support

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:45 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article - homebirth
Importance: High

 

Please email or call Penny with your stories.

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Zantey

Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au

Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby

  BellyBelly Birth Support

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From: Langton, Penelope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article
Importance: High

 

Hello,

 

How are you? I've been asked to write a story for Cosmopolitan Pregnancy
magazine about a new-ish mother who's had a home birth. Can you recommend
any of the mothers BellyBelly has had as clients recently?

 

I would just need to do a short half-hour phone interview with them and they
would need to send me a digital photo of them with their baby. It will
appear in the next issue of Cosmo Pregnancy (about a 700-word article told
in the first person).

 

Please let me know if you can help. Would need to do it quite quickly as my
deadline is tight - sometime this weekend.

 

Thanks so much,

Penny Langton

Subeditor

COSMOPOLITAN 

(02) 9282 8138



 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Strep B

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Here at our local hospital of approx 530 births per annum we do not routinely 
screen all pregnant women.
We "offer" (with a fair degree of pressure, I might add) IV antibiotics in 
labour of a woman has had Pre-labour ruptured membres for 18 hours or if she is 
in preterm labour <37 weeks or if she has a history of previous baby with GBS 
infection or previous GBS positive herself ( say for example on a past history 
from birth elsewhere with a previous baby)
If a baby is born before antibiotics are able to be administered or a woman 
declines antibiotics we observe the baby for any signs of infection. 
That is what happens here 
Personally I am not in favour of routine GBS testing.
Good luck.

  - Original Message - 
  From: nunyara 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:49 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Strep B


  Hi all,

   

  I know info on this topic has been posted before but I deleted it all - silly 
me as I now wish to ask some questions which have probably already been covered.

   

  I am 34 weeks pregnant and was not going to have the STREP B test but I have 
done some further research and it suggests that all women SHOULD be tested but 
antibiotics used during labour for a positive result may not be the way to go. 

   

  To all the midwife's on this forum: is it necessary for me to have this test? 
Is it in my and my babies best interest to do this?

   

  If I tested positive (which I didn't with my first child, in fact I don't 
even remember having the test) is the intravenous antibiotic really necessary? 
I do not want this as I plan to have a water birth and I am also highly 
allergic to penicillan and other forms of backup antibiotics. 

   

  I will raise this at my midwife appointment I am due for this week I would 
just like some opinions.

   

  Kind Regards

  Jassy



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RE: [ozmidwifery] Strep B

[Roberta Quinn]

Hi Jassy,
 
I don't know from a midwive's point-of-view but I'm 32 weeks pregnant and
have decided against the test. Like you, I first made the decision against
antibiotics and then made the decision not to have the test. My decision was
also swayed by a friend living in the UK who tells me it's not a routine
test there like it is here, which I find so interesting. My midwife and I
will simply monitor my baby closely for any signs of ill-health, which some
have argued to me is what we should do anyway and not rely on antibiotics as
a cure-all.
 
Good luck with your decision.
 
>From Roberta.

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nunyara
Sent: Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:49 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Strep B



Hi all,

 

I know info on this topic has been posted before but I deleted it all -
silly me as I now wish to ask some questions which have probably already
been covered.

 

I am 34 weeks pregnant and was not going to have the STREP B test but I have
done some further research and it suggests that all women SHOULD be tested
but antibiotics used during labour for a positive result may not be the way
to go. 

 

To all the midwife's on this forum: is it necessary for me to have this
test? Is it in my and my babies best interest to do this?

 

If I tested positive (which I didn't with my first child, in fact I don't
even remember having the test) is the intravenous antibiotic really
necessary? I do not want this as I plan to have a water birth and I am also
highly allergic to penicillan and other forms of backup antibiotics. 

 

I will raise this at my midwife appointment I am due for this week I would
just like some opinions.

 

Kind Regards

Jassy

RE: [ozmidwifery] Strep B

[Ken Ward]

I donot believe it's necessary. I have never been tested and have four
babies.  The thing is, you can be negative at the time of the test, and
positive two days later. The swab does not detect ALL positive cases.  As
you are allergic to AB's you can't have them anyway, and I would be
reluctant to let my baby have them without some signs of infection.
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of nunyara
  Sent: Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:49 PM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Strep B


  Hi all,



  I know info on this topic has been posted before but I deleted it all -
silly me as I now wish to ask some questions which have probably already
been covered.



  I am 34 weeks pregnant and was not going to have the STREP B test but I
have done some further research and it suggests that all women SHOULD be
tested but antibiotics used during labour for a positive result may not be
the way to go.



  To all the midwife's on this forum: is it necessary for me to have this
test? Is it in my and my babies best interest to do this?



  If I tested positive (which I didn't with my first child, in fact I don't
even remember having the test) is the intravenous antibiotic really
necessary? I do not want this as I plan to have a water birth and I am also
highly allergic to penicillan and other forms of backup antibiotics.



  I will raise this at my midwife appointment I am due for this week I would
just like some opinions.



  Kind Regards

  Jassy

[ozmidwifery] Strep B

[nunyara]

Hi all,

 

I know info on this topic has been posted before but I deleted it all -
silly me as I now wish to ask some questions which have probably already
been covered.

 

I am 34 weeks pregnant and was not going to have the STREP B test but I have
done some further research and it suggests that all women SHOULD be tested
but antibiotics used during labour for a positive result may not be the way
to go. 

 

To all the midwife's on this forum: is it necessary for me to have this
test? Is it in my and my babies best interest to do this?

 

If I tested positive (which I didn't with my first child, in fact I don't
even remember having the test) is the intravenous antibiotic really
necessary? I do not want this as I plan to have a water birth and I am also
highly allergic to penicillan and other forms of backup antibiotics. 

 

I will raise this at my midwife appointment I am due for this week I would
just like some opinions.

 

Kind Regards

Jassy

Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

[Dan & Rachael Austin]

I did some prac work when I was studying my midwifery degree at selangor. 
It is a beautiful hospital and the obs there are generally most considerate. 
I believe though they do struggle with c-sect rates? Lynn Staff could tell 
you if she's reading?  Doing my prac at selangor confirmed my belief that 
natural birth is possible and achievable for most women.  Prior to my 
practice at selangor, i had only witnessed very obstetric managed births by 
both midwives and obs... most disheartening. Though, I admidt many of my 
student peers weren't afraid to do a unnecessary VE's or CTG, or other 
monitoring :( I am proud to admit that I have only ever done 3 VE's in my 
career so far, and have been taught the skills (thanks to the selangor 
midwives) and the cues to watch for without doing ve's..


I spend lots of time debriefing on forums, like JB., when I get so 
disheartened when a friend or rellie chooses a obstetric model of care, in 
many ways I feel as though I have failed them, but in reality they are 
adults and can make up there own minds.


baby crying..bye
Rachael

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From: "nunyara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?



I agree with this in a general sense, however I don't think we can put all
ob's in the same basket. I am having my baby at Selangor in February which
is a private hospital but run sort of like a birth centre. There is a
midwife clinic but to have access to this service you must be under the 
care

of an OB. I at first was not so sure about this as I did want a homebirth
with NO MEN bar my husband involved but this service is not available to 
me

where I live. After my first visit I had changed my mind.

I no longer have any fears about not being in control of my birth as my 
MALE
OB fully supports my choice to have a water birth in fact he encourages 
it,
(yes still available here)and to be in total control of my natural birth. 
I

was even told by one of the midwife's that he will just stand aside during
the birth, does not intervene unless absolutely necessary and leaves the
midwife's to perform there duties. He is the most caring, friendly, gentle
man who is open to alternatives and has an understanding of women that is
rarely seen in Male OBS. He has respected all of my decisions to reject
blood tests, strep B testing, internal exams during labour, hep B shots 
for
baby, Vit K for baby and heel prick test - he didn't even bat an eyelid 
when

I said I want none of this. I am very lucky to have had his care and it
would be nice if more men in these positions were to take on this kind of
thinking. He trusts us as women and believes that it is our choice and as
long as we are informed about the choices we make he will fully support 
you.






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Austin
Sent: Monday, 8 January 2007 9:19 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

I get so fustrated when I know people who choose subordinate (in my 
opinion)


levels of care.  What I mean is, healthy women who choose care under an
obstetrician.  They get roped into the high tech repeated u/s, monitoring,
for the "just in case" ignorant way of thinking.  They end up having 
highly

intervened vaginal births (but they see as 'natural birth' because it is
vaginal) or worse a necessary unnecessary cs. Does this make sense?

I have been up most of the night stewing over this, because a 4 of my
rellies have recently choosen this type of care to end up with the same
results... and they think I'm weird because I choose to birth at home!  OK
so I'm a midwife (new at the game, but still), so maybe the extra 
knowledge
helped me to make 'good' or appropriate choices for me, but what stops 
women


from investigating choices for themselves? Why do they so blindly give
themselves to medical men in every sense of the word? Do women really
believe that they don't have the power to birth themselves and that they
really need help? Do they really think nature got it that wrong?  AHH!!

How do you get 'over it'? How do you talk with these women about birth in
social conversatin without lecturing them?

Hope this makes sense.. i'm tired!

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[meg]

een up most of the night stewing over this, because a 4 of my
  > >> rellies have recently choosen this type of care to end up with the same
  > >> results... and they think I'm weird because I choose to birth at home! 
  > >> OK
  > >> so I'm a midwife (new at the game, but still), so maybe the extra
  > > knowledge
  > >> helped me to make 'good' or appropriate choices for me, but what stops
  > > women
  > >>
  > >> from investigating choices for themselves? Why do they so blindly give
  > >> themselves to medical men in every sense of the word? Do women really
  > >> believe that they don't have the power to birth themselves and that they
  > >> really need help? Do they really think nature got it that wrong?  AHH!!
  > >>
  > >> How do you get 'over it'? How do you talk with these women about birth in
  > >> social conversatin without lecturing them?
  > >>
  > >> Hope this makes sense.. i'm tired!
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RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

[nunyara]

I agree with this in a general sense, however I don't think we can put all
ob's in the same basket. I am having my baby at Selangor in February which
is a private hospital but run sort of like a birth centre. There is a
midwife clinic but to have access to this service you must be under the care
of an OB. I at first was not so sure about this as I did want a homebirth
with NO MEN bar my husband involved but this service is not available to me
where I live. After my first visit I had changed my mind.

I no longer have any fears about not being in control of my birth as my MALE
OB fully supports my choice to have a water birth in fact he encourages it,
(yes still available here)and to be in total control of my natural birth. I
was even told by one of the midwife's that he will just stand aside during
the birth, does not intervene unless absolutely necessary and leaves the
midwife's to perform there duties. He is the most caring, friendly, gentle
man who is open to alternatives and has an understanding of women that is
rarely seen in Male OBS. He has respected all of my decisions to reject
blood tests, strep B testing, internal exams during labour, hep B shots for
baby, Vit K for baby and heel prick test - he didn't even bat an eyelid when
I said I want none of this. I am very lucky to have had his care and it
would be nice if more men in these positions were to take on this kind of
thinking. He trusts us as women and believes that it is our choice and as
long as we are informed about the choices we make he will fully support you.





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan & Rachael
Austin
Sent: Monday, 8 January 2007 9:19 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

I get so fustrated when I know people who choose subordinate (in my opinion)

levels of care.  What I mean is, healthy women who choose care under an 
obstetrician.  They get roped into the high tech repeated u/s, monitoring, 
for the "just in case" ignorant way of thinking.  They end up having highly 
intervened vaginal births (but they see as 'natural birth' because it is 
vaginal) or worse a necessary unnecessary cs. Does this make sense?

I have been up most of the night stewing over this, because a 4 of my 
rellies have recently choosen this type of care to end up with the same 
results... and they think I'm weird because I choose to birth at home!  OK 
so I'm a midwife (new at the game, but still), so maybe the extra knowledge 
helped me to make 'good' or appropriate choices for me, but what stops women

from investigating choices for themselves? Why do they so blindly give 
themselves to medical men in every sense of the word? Do women really 
believe that they don't have the power to birth themselves and that they 
really need help? Do they really think nature got it that wrong?  AHH!!

How do you get 'over it'? How do you talk with these women about birth in 
social conversatin without lecturing them?

Hope this makes sense.. i'm tired! 

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[ozmidwifery] FW: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article - homebirth

[Kelly Zantey]

Please email or call Penny with your stories.

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Zantey

Creator,   BellyBelly.com.au

Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby

  BellyBelly Birth Support

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From: Langton, Penelope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cosmo pregnancy magazine article
Importance: High

 

Hello,

 

How are you? I've been asked to write a story for Cosmopolitan Pregnancy
magazine about a new-ish mother who's had a home birth. Can you recommend
any of the mothers BellyBelly has had as clients recently?

 

I would just need to do a short half-hour phone interview with them and they
would need to send me a digital photo of them with their baby. It will
appear in the next issue of Cosmo Pregnancy (about a 700-word article told
in the first person).

 

Please let me know if you can help. Would need to do it quite quickly as my
deadline is tight - sometime this weekend.

 

Thanks so much,

Penny Langton

Subeditor

COSMOPOLITAN 

(02) 9282 8138



 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

[Janet Fraser]

Personally, I see it in a far wider context where birth, pregnancy and 
breastfeeding are just all aspects of women's lives and are thus constrained by 
a lack of genuine choice and yet many potential pacifiers and hoops to jump 
through. I can't approach birth on it's own because it's merely a reflection of 
all else in our lives. So many women still have little economic or personal 
power within families, we are survivors of all manner of violence in all manner 
of situations, we are trained to oppress ourselves and hate our female bodies. 
It's a wonder to me that some women see through this for whatever reason and 
pursue truly nurturing choices for themselves and their babies instead of doing 
what gets the biggest pat on the head. I cannot see birth without seeing the 
rest of our lives. Sometimes in Joyous Birth we joke that the last thing we're 
about is birth. Not that we don't provide immense amounts of information, we 
just don't isolate it but put it in that wider context. Once we make empowered 
decisions in the rest of our lives, we naturally make them in birth and 
breastfeeding. Once we are supported we have enough to maintain us through the 
intensity of early parenting without falling prey to "sleep trainers" and 
formula manufacturers. So while the forces against us are are multi-pronged and 
powerful, some of the solution can be simple. And I stop myself going mad, as I 
answer yet another question about how VBAC is safer, induction sux, breasts 
make enough milk with enough stimulation by debriefing and retaining a sense of 
humour. Feminists are funny - or we'd be mad with grief all the time. Each time 
one woman makes a decision that saves her life and her mental health, there is 
a ripple effect. Hopefully those will grow.
: )

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From: "Barbara Glare & Chris Bright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?


> Hi,
> 
> I have become fairly philosophical about it (I guess I have to for self 
> preservation!)  I think that if a woman has grown up, been socialised in 
> this culture and is now an adult, I have to be accepting of the decision she 
> makes.  If nothing in her 30 years (or whatever) has taught her to take 
> responsibility for her own decisions, has taught her to trust her own body, 
> or has led her to believe that breastfeeding is something worth doing, 
> nothing I say will probably change her mind, but still, I will speak up for 
> natural birth and breastfeeding.
> 
> And sometimes something I may say or do might have resonance with a woman 
> and contribute a little to her decision making.
> 
> Barb
> - Original Message - 
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
> 
> 
> >
> > To me the way women (society) veiws pregnancy reflects the current trend 
> > to
> > rush for medical assistance in any situation. Common colds, neck pain,
> > constipation, insomnia, depression, obesity, you name it. Instead of 
> > looking
> > within at underlying emotional issues, considering diet, toxins such as
> > refined foodstuffs, stress, chemicals.whatever, you get my drift, the
> > list is long. Any way instead of resolving the underlying causes or 
> > problems
> > there is an increasing tendance to run for a fix-up, a suppression of
> > symptoms.
> >
> > I see too often pregnancy considered by women as a medical problem to be
> > managed. What do some do the minute they think they are pregnantmake 
> > an
> > appointment with a doctor for confirmation...and so it begins. Do the
> > doctors tell them that evidence concludes midwives to be the specialists 
> > in
> > nornmal maternity care? Yeah right! In society the common assumption is 
> > the
> > highest scientifically "qualifed" person must be the best one for the job.
> >
> > Interesting what you say about having already paid up front and not 
> > wanting
> > to loose out financially having already paid an Obs...THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! 
> > I
> > am personally in favour of women changing streams of care whatever their
> > gestation.
> > Just my ramblings
> > Wendy
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Julie Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:11 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
> >
> >
> >> Hi Rachael,
> >> I sometimes share your frustrations in wondering why on earth women 
> >> choose
> >> OB's to care for them - particularly when they whinge about them so much!
> >> However what women are after is continuity of care because they want some
> >> feeling of certainty over who is going to be with them when they birth in
> >> short it gives them a feeling of security and the other main reason is 
> >> the
> >> perceived "quality" of the care because an OB is regarded in Australia as
> >>

Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

[Barbara Glare & Chris Bright]

Hi,

I have become fairly philosophical about it (I guess I have to for self 
preservation!)  I think that if a woman has grown up, been socialised in 
this culture and is now an adult, I have to be accepting of the decision she 
makes.  If nothing in her 30 years (or whatever) has taught her to take 
responsibility for her own decisions, has taught her to trust her own body, 
or has led her to believe that breastfeeding is something worth doing, 
nothing I say will probably change her mind, but still, I will speak up for 
natural birth and breastfeeding.


And sometimes something I may say or do might have resonance with a woman 
and contribute a little to her decision making.


Barb
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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?




To me the way women (society) veiws pregnancy reflects the current trend 
to

rush for medical assistance in any situation. Common colds, neck pain,
constipation, insomnia, depression, obesity, you name it. Instead of 
looking

within at underlying emotional issues, considering diet, toxins such as
refined foodstuffs, stress, chemicals.whatever, you get my drift, the
list is long. Any way instead of resolving the underlying causes or 
problems

there is an increasing tendance to run for a fix-up, a suppression of
symptoms.

I see too often pregnancy considered by women as a medical problem to be
managed. What do some do the minute they think they are pregnantmake 
an

appointment with a doctor for confirmation...and so it begins. Do the
doctors tell them that evidence concludes midwives to be the specialists 
in
nornmal maternity care? Yeah right! In society the common assumption is 
the

highest scientifically "qualifed" person must be the best one for the job.

Interesting what you say about having already paid up front and not 
wanting
to loose out financially having already paid an Obs...THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! 
I

am personally in favour of women changing streams of care whatever their
gestation.
Just my ramblings
Wendy


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From: "Julie Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?



Hi Rachael,
I sometimes share your frustrations in wondering why on earth women 
choose

OB's to care for them - particularly when they whinge about them so much!
However what women are after is continuity of care because they want some
feeling of certainty over who is going to be with them when they birth in
short it gives them a feeling of security and the other main reason is 
the

perceived "quality" of the care because an OB is regarded in Australia as
the highest qualified of anyone to deal with pregnancy and birth.
The other astonishing fact is that OB's don't even need to lift a finger

to

"market" themselves... it's all done for them by our medically supportive
system.

Yesterday I had a reunion with a group who had received mixed care; some

by

midwives some by private OB's and when they shared their stories and
discovered such big differences in the way they had been cared for; the
proof is in the pudding after all isn't it? A couple of them were saying
"I'm definitely going to a birth centre or have midwifery care next 
time!"


You might ask well why didn't they learn about this in the preparation
classes, well they did, but they often say they are not able to change

late

in the pregnancy because they have already paid completely up front well

in

advance to the OB and they worry about getting their money back, they

assume

they can't, or they cannot get into a midwifery program or a birth centre

at

a very late stage of pregnancy.

The reunion confirms a lot for them as they share their stories, one of

the

lovely couples yesterday had had a wonderful homebirth with the terrific
midwives at St George hospital and the rest of the group were thrilled 
for

them and listened to all the details "It was a wonderful 6 hour labour,
relaxing in a pool in the lounge room and the midwife just stayed quietly
next to me and it was very peaceful..."

Warm hug
Julie


Julie Clarke
Childbirth and Parenting Educator
ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor
NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer

Transition into Parenthood
9 Withybrook Pl
Sylvania NSW 2224.
T. (02) 9544 6441
F. (02) 9544 9257
Mobile 0401 2655 30
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.julieclarke.com.au




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan & Rachael
Austin
Sent: Monday, 8 January 2007 10:19 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

I get so fustrated when I know people who choose subordinate (in my

opinion)


levels of care.  What I mean is, healthy women who choose care under an
obstetrician.  They get roped into the high tech repeated u/s, 
monitoring,

for the "jus