Re: [ozmidwifery] Skin2skin

[cheryl jones]

Denise,
time please?
many thanks
Cheryl

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Denise Hynd 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:00 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Skin2skin
  
  Dear All 
  Trust you all heard Nils Bergman talking with 
  Geraldine on Life matters if not repeated tonite on Radio 
National
  Denise Hynd

Fw: [ozmidwifery] Almost c/s - horrid shift (VERY LONG!)

[CHERYL JONES]

Jo 
your experience sounds very normal to a lot where 
nobody is 'heard but is it not wonderful that, nature suprises all of us. when 
it comes to births I do not feel, any body is in control. It is an 
incredelible design the human body we have not even began to know the half 
of it.
Many believe with all the attempts of 
Inductioning and controlling that they master the unquie human body however 
it will never come close.
Have faith in the all body process and give the 
body time.(and the Mind)
Please try not to be in control because we will 
always fail if we are in control.
Chin up
Many thanks 
Cheryl.  
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From: JoFromOz 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Almost c/s - horrid shift (VERY 
LONG!)


I worked in birth suite last night, and had a not-so-nice 
shift...
 
This woman was due to be induced on saturday, and came in for 
routine CTG monitoring (as she was post dates by about 5 or so days), and the 
CTG was very flat... variability 1-5, but a reactive trace.  Eventually the 
decision was made to induce there and then.  She had an ARM around 3pm, and 
was 2cm dilated.  Clear liquor.  Since this was her second baby, they 
decided to leave her for an hour to see if she went into labour 
'spontaneously'.  She felt some niggles, that's all.  So after SEVEN 
attempts to get an IV into her (and 2 hours after the ARM) syntocinon was 
commenced.
 
For most of that time after the ARM I was told to leave the 
CTG on because they (the doctors) were not happy with it.  And, of 
course when the syntocinon went up, the CTG was there to stay.  Because the 
woman was mobilising well, on the ball, on the loo, walking, sitting, etc, the 
trace wasn't very clear.  So, I sat with her the whole time, listening to 
the baby's heart, often getting the maternal pulse showing up on the monitor 
(low-lying placenta), but always hearing the baby's heart rate in the backround, 
assuring me of the baby's well-being.  After about an hour of sketchy 
tracing, I told the woman and her husband that the doctor might want to put a 
FSE on because they wouldn't be sure of how the baby was from the 
printout.  I showed them the device, and explained to them everything that 
would happen.  They asked whether it would hurt the baby.  I can't 
lie... a wire being screwed into a baby's head would hurt anyone.  I said 
it would probably hurt the baby, but chances are it won't harm 
the baby.  They were not happy with that, really, and the husband said that 
he has been sitting with me the whole time, listening to the baby's heart with 
me, and he was happy that the baby was fine if I was.  Just then, I 
heard the first decelleration.  I watched and heard it go down to 
about 80 at the onset of the contraction, then return to the baseline of about 
135 as the contraction was letting up.  An early decelleration.  I 
listened in carefully during the next contraction, and the same thing 
happened.  
 
I went out to tell the doctor, and she came in, all stressed 
out, saying she had to put a FSE on.  The father explained their concerns, 
and the woman was getting all stressed out too.  I tried calming her, just 
whispering, 'just ignore the talking, you've been doing really well 
concentrating on your breathing, just keep doing that', etc...  Eventually 
they agreed to see how dilated the cervix was before deciding on the FSE.  
If she was almost fully, they didn't want it.  
 
Unfortunately, it was time for doctor's change of shift.  
The new doctor to come on is one I've had altercations with before: he's rude, 
unwoman friendly and spiteful.  He came in loudly proclaiming her need for 
and FSE, so they had to explain all over again to him why they didn't want 
one.  The woman was contracting, and wanted silence, and even said, "shut 
up!" and he just kept talking, explaining why they needed it.  So he did a 
VE. 4cm.  After 3 hours of good contractions on a multi, who was feeling 
bowel pressure... 4cm.  I had my doubts, but what can you do?  Then 
she needed to void, before the FSE was applied.  So we got her up to the 
toilet, and while she was sitting, the midwife in charge barged in, saying we 
need her back in bed, on her left side with oxygen.  She's in the toilet... 
yes, well she needs to get back in bed as quickly as possible, the baby's in 
distress. The woman, in desperation, in the middle of a contraction, said, 
"don't tell me that!!"  She turned to me, and said, "why are they scaring 
me like that??"  I didn't know what to say :(
 
We got her back to bed, on her left side, and applied 
oxygen.  The FSE was attached, and showed the same early decellerations 
with most contractions down to about 80 or so.  All the woman wanted to do 
was sit up on the ball... oh no, that wasn't allowed.  The baby is 
distressed, you have to stay there.  
 
Just as a theatre was being prepared for a c/s, she had an 
urge to push, and there was head on view.  B

Fw: [ozmidwifery] has any one information

[CHERYL JONES]

Jen,
I've not seen Trish David's paper I'd be really interested to see it.
many thanks 
Cheryl 
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From: "Jen Semple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] has any one information 


> Hi Cheryl,
> 
> I'm a student of Trish David & actually just finished
> reading a paper she wrote on the adolescent pregnancy
> & the midwife.  A good paper that also had heaps of
> sources.
> 
> I think Trish is on this list so she may respond.  If
> she doesn't & you still need help, email me & I'll see
> if I can track her down for you.
> 
> Good luck!  Jen
> 
>  --- CHERYL JONES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> has any one information as to which web site I can
> > access for another essay
> > I'm doing on adolscent mothers and breast feeding/ 
> > their babies. Or
> > counselling/communicating with the  adolscents
> > mothers.
> > has any one have any ideas?
> > Many thanks
> > Cheryl
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Re: [ozmidwifery] has any one information

[CHERYL JONES]

Rebecca,
thanks for that information
Cheryl

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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] has any one information


> It is not a website but you may like to talk to someone from the Young
> Parents Program at the Brisbane Royal Women's Hospital.  Switch is 07 3636
> 8111 - hopefully they could put you through to the relevant people.
> Regards
> Rebecca.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CHERYL JONES
> Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 1:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] has any one information
>
>
> has any one information as to which web site I can access for another
essay
> I'm doing on adolscent mothers and breast feeding/  their babies. Or
> counselling/communicating with the  adolscents mothers.
> has any one have any ideas?
> Many thanks
> Cheryl
>
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[ozmidwifery] has any one information

[CHERYL JONES]

has any one information as to which web site I can access for another essay
I'm doing on adolscent mothers and breast feeding/  their babies. Or
counselling/communicating with the  adolscents mothers.
has any one have any ideas?
Many thanks
Cheryl


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here...

[CHERYL JONES]

Lynne 
I wish to complement you  in how well you 
have  written your "Hello" to Ricardo, I found it refreshing and honest, 
giving some (midwives) of us still hope and 
insiration.
Many thanks and take care
Cheryl 
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  From: 
  Lynne 
  Staff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:42 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil 
  here...
  
  Hello to you Ricardo
  I have taken the liberty of forwarding your 
  posting on to a coleague of mine and will ask that he table it at the next 
  meeting of RANZCOG (Royal Australia and New Zealand College of Obstetricians 
  and Gynaecologists). You are right - the humanisation of birth IS a 
  global issue, and it is essential that where change is happening, and where 
  efforts are being made to honour and respect women in birth (or women as 
  people) that as many people know about it as possible.
   
  Sometimes when my heart is heavy about the things 
  we are witness to every day in birth, I think about the situation in other 
  countries where the plight is much worse for women generally in their lives, 
  birth being such an important part, and this helps to put things 
  into perspective.
   
  There is so much to be done - the technocratic 
  wheel is in full spin and spinning furiously, and it will take a mammoth 
  effort on many people's part to slow the spin, even just a little. But the 
  speed of the wheel slows in many places, as people such as yourself and many 
  others, work to keep birth as it should be, alive and well, 
  insisting that women should be treated, as you so beautifully 
  express, 'with caress and gentleness'.
   
  As a dear friend and colleague of mine says 
  "It matters how babies come into this world" and in my midwifery 
  experience (I am old, like yourself! Even older!!) of almost 20 years, every 
  birth I accompany a woman on shows me afresh how much it does matter, 
  and how respectful of birth we must be - not only for women, but for 
  ourselves as those who are the privileged ones to be with women at this time 
  (because each birth contibutes to, and helps shape our individual 
  philosophy of birth, and thus, how we are when we are with all of the 
  subsequent women we care for), but also for the future of humankind. The 
  "kind" on the end of human seems ironic at times, does it not?
   
  Regards, Lynne 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Ricardo Herbert 
Jones 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil 
here...

Hello everybody:
 
My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones
I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the 
pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about 
Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil.
As an obstetrician I would like to share 
experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think 
that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single 
person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows 
where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once 
born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued 
from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s 
tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking 
to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 
years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and 
gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic 
phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as 
persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right 
problem.
I am one of the leaders of Rehuna 
(Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to 
empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government 
area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first 
step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and 
doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro.
Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, 
and I love to talk too much...
Hope I can get good advices from you 
all.
 
Ricardo Herbert Jones
Ob/Gyn and Homeopath
Porto Alegre - Brasil
 
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[ozmidwifery] Fw: Please sign the petition for Amina Lawal in Nigeria]

[CHERYL JONES]

- Original Message -
From: "Kristina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Vicki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Tanneal W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lynette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "CHERYL JONES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Barbara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Kris: Please sign the petition for Amina Lawal in Nigeria]


> Links take you to web page for more info!
> > > >
> > > > Dear friends and colleagues,
> > > >
> > > > You have probably heard about Amina Lawal, the Nigerian woman
> convicted of
> > > > adultery and having a child outside marriage, who has been sentenced
> to
> > > > death by stoning by the court. It is particularly  shocking that the
> judge
> > > > has decided that she should be stoned to death as soon as her eight
> month
> > > > old daughter is weaned - what a tragedy for her and for her baby.
> > > >
> > > > Amnesty International have organised an petition which you can sign
> online
> > > > and which will be forwarded to the President of Nigeria - you can
sign
> it by
> > > > clicking here:
> > > >  http://www.mertonai.org/amina/
> > > >
> > > > I hope that you will sign it, and pass this on to other people - it
> seems
> > > > the least we can do for her.
> > > > More news about Amina is at
> > > >  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2202111.stm
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Shane and Anne-Marie Toohey
> >
> >
> > Anne-Marie Toohey
> >
>
>

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[ozmidwifery] what is horizontal violence?

[CHERYL JONES]

Could somebody please explain what is horinzontal violence, I know I heard
it long time ago. However I'm not quite sure what it is.
Cheryl

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Re: [ozmidwifery] inverted uterus

[CHERYL JONES]

I don't think inverted uteruses, pick the race. I don't think a uterus much
cares what race you are.
I had an experience of inverted uterus many years ago don't care for it
again. The mother (if memory serves me well ) was her first baby. I think it
is due to the rush to have the placenta out more than anything else.
Many thanks
Cheryl.
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From: "Vicki Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] inverted uterus


> Gee whizzikers...and I thought it was more common when pulling on the
> cord of a placenta that had not yet separated...silly me!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] inverted uterus
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am a B. Mid student, and have just had my first amazing experience of
> observing the birth of a baby boy.
> The baby birthed beautifully (try saying that 3 times!), however the
> placenta
> was taking a long time to be delivered, and after pushing by the mum,
> and
> gentle pulling of the cord by the Dr (intern), the placenta began to
> come out.
> The MW noticed that something was wrong, called in the Dr, to confirm an
>
> inverted uterus protruding out the vagina with the placenta. The Dr
> tried pushing it back up, and she (the mum) was rushed off to theatre.
> After a long wait, we were told that the mum was going to be fine, they
> were
> able to push the uterus back up, and no major damage had been done.
>
> When consulting with the father, the intern explained what had happened,
> and
> said that cases of inverted uterus' were more common in women who had
> birthed
> `many' babies (she had 4), and also in Indonesian women, which the mum
> was.
>
> I have since been trying to research similar cases, and were wondering
> if
> anyone had any experience or info on inverted uterus'. I was also
> wanting to
> confirm whether the race of the mother has any influence on the chance
> of this
> condition occurring.
>
>
> Thanks, I look forward to your replies
>
> Niki
>
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Re: gripe

[CHERYL JONES]

Jo
I well understand your frustation however think of 
it in a positive way at least you spoke out and perhaps? maybe? you had them 
thinking.
I think the dissapointment is that they are fellow 
colleagues and midwives at that not obstretic nurses.
take care and you'd done what you could hang 
in there keep on stirring up their emotions.
Cheryl 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  JoFromOz 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:09 
  AM
  Subject: gripe
  
   
  Can I just vent a little?
   
  My new workplace is frustrating me.. I'm working in the 
  Antenatal Clinic atm as part of my Midwifery graduate program, and not 
  enjoying being a handmaiden to the doctors at all.  It's privatised, so I 
  open the history to the right page, call the woman in and do her BP and the 
  doc does the rest. Not very satisfying.  Today, walking past one of the 
  rooms,  I overheard a doctor say "we won't let you go over 38 
  weeks"...  I know there is possibly a reason for this, but I really hate 
  the language they use... 'won't let".. as if the woman has no say at 
  all.  I mentioned this to the midwife incharge, and she said, 'of course 
  it's not up to her!" I was so shocked!!! "But it's her body! He can't do 
  anything to her unless she says so..." etc, etc.  I just said that there 
  could have been a better way of putting it, like, 'My advice is..." The 
  midwife just shook her head at me and turned away.  I couldn't believe it 
  :(
   
  And the other thing... one of the pamphlets they routinely 
  hand out down there is one about 'Never shake a baby".  The first thing 
  it says to try if your baby is crying and not hungry or dirty is to give it a 
  bottle of water!!!  They still do that on the post natal wards over night 
  at this hospital if a baby is crying and is breast fed!  I said to 
  another co-worker how appalled I was that they suggest this, not even 
  mentioning age appropriateness... just simply, 'give your baby a bottle of 
  water'.  And she said, "yeah? what else would you do then? Have you ever 
  had a baby that cries constantly?"  she proceeded to tell me how she 
  thinks all maternal and child health nurses should have their own babies 
  before giving out advice, etc etc...  
   
  Not happy, Jan :(
   
  And I haven't even told you anything about the birth suite 
  yet :(
   
  Jo
   
  Be happy; for every minute you're angry you lose 60 seconds 
  of happiness.

when I get into a site

[CHERYL JONES]

If any body known how let me know?
When I get into a site eg McKenna's how do I find out where the literature
is from. As they are written in brief from a referencing point of view so
that i can access the literature / and use them in my assignment
many thanks
Cheryl

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Re: Alicia's story

[CHERYL JONES]

Carol
it was inspiring to read
many thanks
Cheryl Jones
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From: "Heartlogic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: FW: Alicia's story


> I'm forwarding this to you for the Melbourne folks.  If you want a story
of
> courage, persistence and triumph to warm your heart and inspire you to
know
> that anything is possible, I encourage you to see this show. I have met
> Alicia and she is a real inspiration.
>
> love, Carolyn Hastie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Deep Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2002 12:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Alicia's story
>
>
> I have a story that will touch and open your heart and inspire you.
> Alicia died at the age of 18.
>
> Alicia bright and bubbly, full of life and going places was driving down
> the very busy Calder Highway with three friends, after a busy day holding
a
> drama workshop for kids in the country, when BANG! The right rear tyre
> blows out and WACK into a big old tree. Blood gently trickles from the
nose
> of Alicia.
>
> And the nightmare begins. Her photogenic good looks are undamaged, but her
> brain is swelling and Alicia is slowly dying. The ambulance races to the
> hospital and Alicia dies on the way. But Alicia is a lover of life, she
has
> a will to live and she starts a long series of miracles. She shrugs off
> death's kiss, and falls into a coma that lasts eight and a half long
weeks.
> The doctors tell the family to say their good byes. That if she lives she
> will be a vegetable.
>
> Most people would believe the doctors. Most, but not Alicia. Each time she
> was told that she couldn't do something, she would! She would wake, walk,
> talk, walk, eat and drive.
>
> She got out of the hospital bed, out of the wheel chair and the
> institutions. She shrugged off the horrors of being permanently brain
> damaged, which made her the victim of sexual predators.
>
> And she did this with a positive outlook focused on helping others
> particularly those who don't have a voice to represent themselves.
>
> She has done this with her production company, Soul Theatre Inc. which has
> led to her playing lead roles in "A Lie of the Mind" and "Remember Me",
> winning the World Medal at the New York Festival and the Silver Hugo Award
> and having a nationally and internationally shown TV documentary made
about
> her life and Soul Theatre.
>
> Since founding her company, she has had to spend years winning a major
> court case. Yet Alicia has been able to bounce back again and produce
> another play to follow her earlier works.
>
> Alicia has got a great cast with performers like Bruce Kerr, Denis Moore
> and Dennis Coard with their experience in film, TV and on stage. And an
> internationally experienced director with film, TV and Stage in David
Myles.
>
> The show is called "Nuts" by Tom Topor and is on at Trades Hall at 54
> Victoria Street, Carlton from 27 June through to 14 July except for
> Mondays. You may remember the film version with Barbara Streisand?
>
> And I am asking you to open your heart and please book to see this show.
> You can help a big hearted human being and have a good night out, just by
> phoning 03 9481-2626 or emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or faxing 03
> 9486-6344.
>
> And even if you can't come yourself you can still help Alicia. Please
> forward this email to the people in your address book so that the word can
> spread.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ian Mack
> Assistant Producer
>

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Re: co-sleeping

[CHERYL JONES]

Pinky 
many thanks for that web site I can get in the 
website health today.
I'm just having a few problems accessing the Asian 
web site 
it is in another language, what exactly do I have 
to do ?many thanks Cheryl
- Original Message --- 

  From: 
  Pinky 
  McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:35 
PM
  Subject: co-sleeping
  
   
  Three in a Bed is written by Deborah 
  Jackson.
  The Asian website is www.healthtoday.net
  Rachel Salazar is the editor in chief if you want 
  to contact her -the co-sleeping article I mentioned is on the 
  site.
   
  Pinky
  www.pinky-mychild.com
   

Re: slogan for NMAP

[CHERYL JONES]

I agree there has to be re-educating the women and 
the public that intervention is not always the best way to go!
and that people have to have a little more 
faith in themselves and their body.
Many thanks and with regards to all
Cheryl  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:53 
  PM
  Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP
  In a message dated 20/06/02 1:04:36 PM AUS Eastern Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Dear friendsAll these ideas are interesting, but I want to remind you 
that it’s not about doctors.  The doctors have a monopoly of maternity 
service funding because the system is wrong, not because they themselves 
have done anything wrong per se.Midwives and doctors need to work together.  
Understanding professional boundaries is basic to getting a service that is 
safe and effective for the mothers and babies of our society.  One of 
the reasons we have such high rates of intervention, and surgical births in 
this country is that our midwifery profession is not autonomous, and is 
severely restricted.  So I don’t have a slogan on the tip of my tongue, but I 
won’t support anything that polarizes the two professions.Joy Johnston Hi all,fantastic Joy.couldn't agree more. 
  The NMAP is a plan from Australia's women on what they want in birth 
  reformlets be woman centred here in our approach, ignore the doctors, 
  ignore the midwives and put women and their 'push for birth reform' on the 
  agenda! This is one of Joy's slogans from a way back - I think its simple, 
  effective, and can be used beautifully in the context of the NMAP - as a 
  consumer led, political action for birth reform in this countryThe 
  NMAP - Australian women's 'push for birth reform' !!!My two bobs 
  worthYours in birth,Tina PettigrewBirthworksBachelor 
  of Midwifery Student and Independent CBE Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student 
  Collective.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
  As we trust the flowers to open to new 
  life   
  - So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.--- 
  

thanks for the information

[CHERYL JONES]

Pinky
thanks for the information, that is what  I need it will be useful are there
any web site I can visit and see?
The library is bound to have the books.
many thanks
Cheryl

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has any body have stats on Eastern countries Cosleeping

[CHERYL JONES]

to the list
has any body have any figures of stats for Eastern or Asian countries
cosleeping with Sids how they fair? a web site for me to view sould  be
great for my assignment? on cosleeping
Many thanks
Cheryl

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Fw: Cosleeping

[CHERYL JONES]

how are other cultures fairing with cosleeping in the past and now?
Many thanks
Cheryl
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Cosleeping


> 
> Mothers in Asia cosleep with thier children and they have the lowest 
> SIDSrate in the world!
> 
> Sally
> 
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Fw: I'm interested in epidiomoly

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- Original Message -
From: "CHERYL JONES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:29 PM
Subject: I'm interested in epidiomoly


> dear all in ozmidwifery,
> I'm interested in literature and studies or any epidoermiology web sites
on
> cosleeping, I'm currently doing an assignment on cosleeping the history is
> dated as far back as King Solomn however not much reported evidence  not
to
> support the practise? many thanks from
Cheryl
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I'm interested in epidiomoly

[CHERYL JONES]

dear all in ozmidwifery,
I'm interested in literature and studies or any epidoermiology web sites on
cosleeping, I'm currently doing an assignment on cosleeping the history is
dated as far back as King Solomn however not much reported evidence  not to
support the practise?

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Re: The Sunday Times/Mail Article

[CHERYL JONES]

well written however I think as many women now are 
only experiencing on pregancy, that they don't much care about the having a 
scar or surgery after all it is the only one.Cheryl
 - Original Message -     

  From: 
  Debby 
  M 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:27 AM
  Subject: The Sunday Times/Mail 
  Article
  
  
  Ok I got riled when I read that article from the Sunday Mail and wrote a 
  response to the editor.  With any luck they may take some notice and 
  publish an article that shows the opposite side of the argument.
   
  
  Ref: Too Posh to 
  Push
   
  What a crying shame so many 
  women have been mislead in thinking a caesarean birth is safer than a vaginal 
  delivery.  
   
  A woman is between two and five 
  times (depending on which research paper you read) more likely to die during a 
  caesarean than she is during a vaginal delivery.  She will also have a longer recovery 
  time, is likely to have more problems breastfeeding if she wants to, is more 
  likely to suffer from infertility in subsequent attempts at pregnancy, she is 
  more likely to suffer endrometriosis and she is more likely to suffer from 
  painful internal adhesions. 
   
  In the meantime her baby is 
  more likely to be born premature and is more likely to suffer from the 
  potentially fatal fetal respiratory syndrome.
   
  No I am not a doctor or a 
  midwife.  My first child was born 
  by emergency csec and I was very keen to ensure that my second would be born 
  as safely as possible - so I read the medical research for myself.  Despite my obstetrician saying a 
  caesarean was safer and more convenient I was horrified to find that his 
  information was not supported by the research. An ascertion that was confirmed 
  when I visited another obstetrician who agreed that the research did indeed 
  show vaginal delivery is safer.
   
  Having had both a caesarean and 
  a 27 hour labour to birth my second child vaginally I would say that the few 
  hours of pain in childbirth and a second degree tear were significantly easier 
  to recover from than the months of pain I suffered after my caesarean (and I 
  had a good recovery according to most my caesarean commrades).  
   
  The other big arguement many 
  women use is for a caesarean over a vaginal delivery is that they wish to 
  remain "intact".  This too is 
  dissillusionment a caesarean does not reduce your risk of uterine prolaspse or 
  urinary incontinence.  The damage 
  that increases the risk of these conditions occurs during pregnancy not 
  birth.  
   
  The third factor commonly cited 
  is the problem with the pain.  
  When it comes to pain I am the worlds biggest wimp.  However pain can be dealt with, there 
  are a number of medical and non medical ways that can make birth significantly 
  more comfortable - there is of course some risk in pain relief too depending 
  on the choice taken.  Medicated 
  pain reliefs can go through the placenta to the baby (pethadine) or slow the 
  labour down (epidural).  Non 
  medicated pain reliefs are not as effective - massage, warm baths etc - 
  although I personally found a warm bath more effective than 
  pethadine.
   
  With regards to convenience, 
  there is always the option of induction (although this is also not without its 
  risks), however I personally would prefer a healthy baby than one born by my 
  diary - and yes I work full time in a professional position.  
   
  Our children too precious to 
  take unnecessary risks with.  
  There are most certainly instances when a caesarean delivery is safer 
  than a vaginal delivery but not at the 25% rate 
  Australia 
  currently has - according to WHO the safe caesarean rate is around 
  10%.
   
  I am now looking forward to the 
  birth of my next child and unless there is a medical reason either before or 
  during my labour she will be born the way Mother Nature designed me to have 
  her.
  
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the literature on breech

[CHERYL JONES]

hello to any body, that can answer the question on 
breech vaginal deliveries?
I read through my e-mails and that eight minutes 
the time given for the babies to deliver and that no long term 
effect.
Question is were is the evidence base on that 
literature? 
I have no doubt that is right however to argue a 
point were is it found?
I have the e-mails sent which one is it that has 
the evidence so I can forward this information to others (midwives)
Many thanks 
Cheryl (from 
W.A.)  

Fw: FW: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long)

[CHERYL JONES]

Your Mr. Asshole  would be appreciated in W.A.
I realize it is a loss to you however gain for somebody else, unfortunately
I yet to see an Obstrectian that thinks of their own accountablity as so
many of them will  book LUSCSand inductions at The Client's request.  (SO we
are led to believe). How can they justify the private sector receiving this
type of outcome with such gross intervention?  As the saying goes "you wan't
get sued for doing a caesar however you will get sued for not doing one "
I'd like to see some type of accountabilty.
If the lawers have bought this about then were does their accountablity ? Is
that all it is about the money pit?
You all that are homebirth midwives, keep up the good work but feel for
the other midwives that are still in hospitals and that are attempting to
chip away for gradual changes.
Cheryl WA
- Original Message -
From: "Jenni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "ozmidwifery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: FW: FW: Clarification of Recommendation (long)


> birth.com.au wrote:
>
> >I am going to his farewell on Sunday (his nicknmae is "Dr arsehole" at
> >present for abandoning us!!)
> >
> >He will be the new director for the Mothers and Childrens and plans to do
> >great things with the birth centre and reducing interventions (but
probably
> >wont do much private practice) he only used to like caring for the
> >'abnormal' anyway, he feels midwives are capable of doing the rest...and
he
> >is a little redundant...but if any Adelaide women have a breech..he is
the
> >man to see..(also does a lovely ECV)
> >
> >Cath Price
> >Midwife
> >For all the latest information on pregnancy, birth and early parenting,
> >subscribe to www.birth.com.au
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> sounds like good person to have here:)) I guess I'll see him b4 long...
> just to clarify yr 'breech' statement, do I take it to mean he supports
> breech vaginal births?
>
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Fw: activism

[CHERYL JONES]

So tell me how do this women stay focused when 
there is so much negativatity.
Cheryl 
- Original Message - 
From: Lois Wattis 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: activism

CONGRATULATIONS 
-
 how 
fantastic.

   
  Love 
  Lois
  -
   
   Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:27 
  PM
  Subject: activism
  
  Keep at it its worth it!
  By the by just to cheer the list up pg at term 
  breech birth today she did it her way in a private hospital drug free,damage 
  free and drama free and was supported by her ob and MIPP ANOTHER STRONG WOMAN 
  SHOWS HOW LOL jan