[ozmidwifery] Re:first catch at home...
Lovely story Tania!! Yeah 2 people *never* go into labour at the same time *wink* LOL Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home... Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called away for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world feet first. WOW!! Can't tell you how many things were going around in my head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or so I'm told! Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hourestablished labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous round36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the woman. And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and comfort it was to share it with her! Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience for us all!! Tania
[ozmidwifery] Re: Isolated birth
Me too please! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much appreciated Jan, Hugs, Larissa B Mid student SA I can send you a copy of a really good birth plan electronically that will guide you in your discussion with this woman if you would like it. Discussing aspects of the birth plan at each prenatal visit will remind you to leave no part of the pregnancy, labour/birth and aftercare untouched and will in fact become your documentation of obtaining informed consent for your management. Regards Jan Robinson -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:GP's and OB's selling Elevit Vitamin Supplement
Yup - I've noticed that too Julie. Also at chemists - if you ask for something else they always try and get you to change to Elevit. Never had such a hard sell for a product before! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] GP's and OB's selling Elevit Vitamin Supplement Hi I have had a number of pregnant women telling me about their visits to their OBs or GPs where they have a point of sale display sitting on the desks actively promoting and selling Elevit vitamin supplement direct to their maternity customers during their consultation. I think this is bizarre and unprofessional. Are you hearing of this happening too? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 Mobile 0401 2655 30
[ozmidwifery] Tania Smallwood
Tania could you pease email me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've lost your email address and need to contact you :) Hugs, Larissa "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
[ozmidwifery] website
http://bonni.net/birth/labor/index.html Evaluated Labor A collection of online articles with a focus on natural birth, midwifery care breastfeeding. "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
[ozmidwifery] Re: Midwifery Today
Hi Alphia, It's from www.midwiferytoday.com Check it out - lots of great stuff! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Great quote Mary,Where is it from?
[ozmidwifery] Re: Get up and give birth t-shirt.
Yup - I love my shirt too!! It's the best form of advertising (if you can call it that ;) as I get LOTS of smiles, questions and comments from the most diverse people. I just never know who is going to come up to me and say whats that shirt all about?? when I'm out and about. I wore it once when I accompanied a woman who I was supporting to her OB appointment and his eyes just about popped out of his LOL. So yes another happy customer here!! Hugs, Larissa PS Cheryl - get your support people to wear the shirt But I was very happy to see Jackie advertising the Get up and Give Birth t-shirts in there. Having got one about 12 months ago, I have found it to be the most interesting conversation piece, and have had many positive comments on it. I think the best was the old bloke in the doctor's surgery who had been squinting across the room at my shirt, finally asked me to come across so he could see me and asked me to read it too him. There's no way I'm wearing it whilst labouring though - might wreck it!! And fitting over my huge stomach might be a prob... Well worth the cost, and one happy customer. Cheryl _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Get up and give birth t-shirt.
Hi Kirsten! Try this link: http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/ If it doesn't take you directly to the shirts just scroll down the left side - they are listed under Caesaran awareness Day. Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - are these shirts still available? I'd love to wear one when I teach prenatal class! Kirsten -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:low milk supply
Thankyou to all of you who took the time to reply - it was much appreciated. My cousin took all the advice on board and we seem to be getting some success as the baby is much happier! Goes to show what a little perserverence and the right support can do :) (and poo to the dr who said to just give up breastfeeding) I feel so lucky to have such a wonderful support network of women on these lists. Thankyou wise women! Hugs, Larissa
[ozmidwifery] Re: Placenta and post natal depression
I don't know about dogs but I was watching a zoo type show a few weeks ago and the were talking about a family of Gorilla's and apparently a couple of them "had to have caesareans because they weren't labouring well" (insert snorts of disgust here) and after the surgery the gorilla's apparently wanted nothing to do with the babies. Gee whiz wonder why? They also talked about how they were supplementing the babies with bottles (those that still fed off their mothers)because they weren't gaining enough weight?!?!?! This all sounds very familiar. I found the whole program disgusting after that and switched off, How sad that we are inflicting this among our animal friends as well as the human race. Hugs, Larissa I wonder if Dogs who undergo c/s at vets are prone to not wanting their young. That may be somewhere to go. But then that could be the fact that they had the c/s as well as not eating the placenta - you may need to get a vet to help with a control study. Regards Rhonda. ally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] midwifery stickers
Dear All, I am trying to locate Midwifery stickers for sale in Australia but have so far had no luck. I know ACMI used to have some but they are no longer on their website. Does anyone know of where I may be able to purchase any?? Many thanks!! Hugs, Larissa "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
[ozmidwifery] Re: Birth Issues - Reference please!!
Hi Tina! It's Birth Issues Volume 1 1 No2/3 2002 pages 60-61 Titled Musings from Bachelor of Midwifery Students "With Childbearing Woman" By Tina Pettigrew, Bachelor of Midwifery Student, Victoria University, Australia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Issues - Reference please!! In a message dated 3/10/02 4:03:55 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tina,I have my copy handy - what reference did you want? Whew...I'm tired just thinking about how you manage to do what you do!Regards,JoyHi Joy,can you please look up the reference details for my contribution in birth issues'Musings of a B Mid Student - the Midwife is with childbearing woman'I need the Birth Issues detailsVolume No etc...Issue...Page's No's and stuff...thanks for help,with love TinaXX
[ozmidwifery] Elective Caesarean better?
Came across this article on Medscape - a bit of a change from what we normally see written! Hugs, Larissa I thought you might be interested in this. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/441201 To access the article, click on this Web address, or cut and paste it into a browser window. This article notification service provided by http://www.medscape.com * Physician optimized MEDLINE * Free Online CME * 25+ medical specialty sites * 100+ online medical journals * Conference Coverage * Daily Medical News Free email is available to Medscape members -- the perfect solution for the mobile professional. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: EPI-NO consumer comments
Very interesting Julie! I saw another ad for epi-no in a pregnancy mag the other day with this new slogan "Empowering women with choices in childbirth" I nearly choked on my cornflakes!! I'm curiousto see how the Australian study goes. Will be interesting to see what they find. On another note - where did you get a pregancy rocker from? Have heard of them but never seen one - would love to know more! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] EPI-NO consumer comments Hi listers I thought Id forward on an email that was sent to me recently by a woman from my hospital classes. I thought with the recent discussion about the epi-no product there may be some interest in what a consumer has to say. Warm regards, Julie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births???
LOL Sally - the obvious answer :) Johanna - they do still occur I promise. If you are lucky enough to be "with woman" at the birth centreof that hospital near uniyou will see some wonderful births. I caught my own baby there 20 minutes after arriving and have seen and heard of marvelous waterbirths etc occurring. It is frustrating though to keep seeing the things you talk about. So yes be patient - your/our turn will come!! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? At home. Sally Westbury -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 7:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Where are the 'natural' births??? Dear All,A bunch of us direct entry midwives from Flinders Uni in South Oz have been following women through their pregnancies. We have been taught all about 'natural' birth but most of us are yet to see one. We can't believe the amount of interventions that happen (and we are only allowed to go to public hospitals at the moment!!) I shudder to think what it will be like in the private sector. Where are all of these non-interventionist births happening?? Some of us have seen some horrific, sometimes avoidable things happening to women. We can't wait until we graduate and can have a say in what goes on. Keep up the fightJohanna
[ozmidwifery] Re: Loose weight
I can verify that - my last baby did not lose any weight at all and actually put on 190g by day 3. No intervention here - midwife didn't even touch me during labour or the the baby till she was an hour old! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Ric Some/many babies DO NOT loose any weight. Illingworth reported this in the 1950's -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:training of Ambo's
Hi Megan, I know the case you are talking about - have met R twice. Don't know much about the education but I do think this needs following up in order to prevent this happening to someone else. They might not have such a good outcome - 5 minutes is 5 minutes too many in the case of cord prolapse. As for nationally - I have a relative in QLD who is an AO - have asked her what she is taught. Hopefully she'll get back to me soon. Let me know if I can help, hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] training of Ambo's hi all does anyone know who trains the ambulance medico's on birth? Spoken to a woman who had premature spont rupture of membranes and a prolapse cord with twins. The ambo officers wanted her to transfer to hospital on her back. A good 5 minute arguement followed as she tried to convince them she would be travelling on all fours with bum in the air and one hand holding in the cord. She won, but it should never have happened. Later birthed by CS twin boys, all well. So is there the option of teaching the people who work the ambulances on the idea of woman centred care.? Would this be done nationally or within each state? Thinking it could be good to invite a representative to any gatherings people have (coffe mornings etc) re women centred care and take the oppurtunity to educate them. Regards Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Gym balls/birth balls
Tina, my gut says medico legal?? If so... then this is policy gone mad!! Yup - believe it or not people have sued in the US because of balls bursting or accidents falling off of them. Never underestimate the legal system! rolling eyes where does it end! Hugs, Larissa
[ozmidwifery] Marilyn - karens response
Hi Marilyn http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html At the bottom of Andreas article is the word comments with a number - click on that. It takes you to the replies. HTH!! Larissa "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
Re: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice
Yup -second caesarean. They called the baby Romeo. Hey Jo do we send the hearts to you or bring them on the day?? Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice if this is her second baby then it is her second cs. both her and Mel C from the spice girls had cs. talk about girl power...hmmm...they have missed the true sense of the term. Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Larissa Tim To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Posh Spice Hi All! Did everyone hear that Victoria Beckham had a little boy by caesarean?? David Beckham's football club apparently paid for the "delivery" so that she would have the baby at a convenient time so as to not disturb his (hubby's) football training etc!!! When my husband heard this he went right off - so some of my warbling about birthing matters must have got in his head somewhere ;) He was most indignant that this happened. No wonder women are getting the "too posh to push" idea. If it's good enough for them(ie celebrities)it's good enough for me. Humph! Hugs, Larissa (who is getting off her soapbox now with her new soapbox recruit hubby!) "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
[ozmidwifery] Posh Spice
Hi All! Did everyone hear that Victoria Beckham had a little boy by caesarean?? David Beckham's football club apparently paid for the "delivery" so that she would have the baby at a convenient time so as to not disturb his (hubby's) football training etc!!! When my husband heard this he went right off - so some of my warbling about birthing matters must have got in his head somewhere ;) He was most indignant that this happened. No wonder women are getting the "too posh to push" idea. If it's good enough for them(ie celebrities)it's good enough for me. Humph! Hugs, Larissa (who is getting off her soapbox now with her new soapbox recruit hubby!) "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
Re: [ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth?
Hi Aviva! I'm in Adelaide too and are about to start CBE classes in November. I can give you the run down on whats happening in Adelaide class wise etc if you'd like to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd be interested to know your thoughts :) Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Anyone for Active Birth? I'm in denial. Surely we can't have gone so far backwards in the past few years?! Don't let me start on the politics of it all, or on politics at all. Unbelievable. I thought when I made a temporary exit from the birthing scene, that when I returned natural birthing practises would be the norm. I'm deeply disturbed to read what's been going on. At the dance studio where I work out, (in Adelaide) I mentioned today that I wanted to return to giving Active Birth classes. "Insurance" was the cry. Oh blimey, here we go. Any ideas? Aviva
[ozmidwifery] Debbie Re:Do I need insurance
Hi Debbie! Would you mind sharing with me your disclaimer for your classes? Might be handy to have! You can email me direct if you'd like at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Hugs, Larissa In the meantime, our booking forms contain disclaimers as a safe guard. My main concern is that, even if we are confident that our information is true, evidence-based etc., that still doesn't stop someone deciding to sue us, if they felt aggrieved. Even if such an action were to be unsuccessful, there would still be awful costs involved. Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
[ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance
Thanks for your input Julie - I tend to have your view on insurance that it's not really necessary. I am pretty much already in the practise of never giving advice anyway for my Doula work - just presenting the options. I guess you just have to weigh up your options - and there aren't a lot of them at present. Thanks again - it's reassuring to know I'm on the right track. If I go to Sydney next February I'll have to come and meet you in person! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Do I need insurance Hi Claudia and Larissa There are a couple of different types of insurance. Public liability is to cover class participants as they attend the sessions and have an accident fall over and the like it will cover their medical expenses. Yes this one is considered a necessity for anyone running a business. However, being a mum I find I automatically walk around invisibly picking up things off the floor left where someone might fall over it. Constantly gently checking that everyones ok not at risk of injury. Over 14 years have never had an incident. Another insurance is to cover theft, fire etc and / or loss involving teaching aids on your premises. This may be covered in your normal household insurance if you run a business from home. Thats another one I have. Professional indemnity is another insurance available if you give advice. I have looked at everything I say and do all the handouts I give etc. and I believe they are all evidenced based and safety focused. As an educator I dont feel at risk of being sued over the information (not advice) that I provide. So I dont have prof indemnity ins. Interestingly though when I rang around a few brokers a couple of years ago to enquire about pro find ins there were two questions they asked me before they rejected my application. 1. Does your teaching ever have anything to do with homebirth ? and 2. Does your teaching ever have anything to do with waterbirth ? After answering yes to both they told me they didnt expect any insurance company to take it on and if anyone did it would be very expensive. So I didnt worry about it. I dont need it. I dont give advice. Im very mindful to stick with evidenced based and an attitude of safety. I believe this is Andrea Robertsons attitude too. Though someone with a different opinion is Carol Flanagan Ex Childbirth Ed and now working full time as a Solicitor had Maggie as her midwife very happily and did a wonderful task of supporting Maggie through her crisis a couple of years ago. Carol looks at the professional indemnity insurance as a necessity in the case where someone who is very unreasonable decides to attempt to sue an educator, then the educator needs the insurance cover to pay for their defense. Otherwise it could cost the educator their family home to defend themselves. I think its worthwhile to listen to everyones opinion and then think it through for yourself. Self-reflect on what you say and how you say it in class, over the phone and in writing. Check the integrity. Hope the above information helps. hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0410 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] Re: Reuben
Thats wonderful news Joy!Must be so exciting to have him home. Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All, Just to let you know that Reuben came home yesterday - exactly 12 weeks after all the drama started. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Controlled Crying
Hi Pinky! Can I print off your response and give it to a client?? At a visit last week I discovered that the parenting program they were going to is actually the Ezzo parenting method!! As this woman was describing to me the "parent led feeding" schedule they had to follow I wanted to cry but it's "guaranteed to have your baby sleeping through in 6 weeks" ack! However she does have your book (and seems to think you are a nice lady!! lol) so there is a glimmer that she is thinking about this. I just think your responsesays everything perfectly and it would give me an opportunity to open the discussion with her withoutgiving advice"I just happened to see this about controlled crying - what do you think?" Many thanks! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Controlled Crying Hi Darren For goodness sakes get them a copy of 100 Ways to Calm the Crying - and read it yourselfBEFORE you have your bub - you can order it from my website - www.pinky-mychild.com Now I have been so blatant - Controlled Crying is actually veryunsafe for a baby this young -Training babies to sleep too soundly, too early is a SIDS risk . Babies need to be able to arouse if they are too hot, too cold, have a breathing obstruction (all SIDS risks) . Controlled Crying is also bad for bonding (for both parent and child) and; according to aHarvard study actually alters the physiology of the brain (rather like a trauma response) predisposing the child to later anxiety and depression. Controlled crying/ parent directed feeding/ strict routines are also associated with failure to thrive (ref to all these in '100 Waysto Calm the Crying"- sorry its late and I am trying to meet a deadline so dont have time to look them all up right now -but couldnt let this pass without a vent) i personally see controlled crying at any age to be an abusive practice - imagine landing in a strange country, not knowing the language and being thirsty or hungry - or simply needing reassurance - and finding yourself unable to communicate your needs - we only have to put ourselves in our babies bootees for a moment - if our own feelings dont scream out loud and clear that THIS DOESNT FEEl RIGHT! I keep hearing of babies only a few weeks old being "sleep trained" - this is very cruel - these tiny beings have just entered a world so different from the womb - we are the adults here -it is up to us to protect babies senses and meet their needs for love and emotional well-being as well as food -and, remember, a newborns stomach is around the size of a ping pong ball - it doesnt matter what it is fed it will only stay full a very short time - around two hours from the bEGINNING of a feed to the next one. For me personally, theissue is that we can "control" some babies (teach them to give up because there is no point trying to make a difference - and how many adults do you know like this?) but this means that we end up seeing babies as little objects to be fixed - later, as they grow into more feisty children we seek more quick fixes like "behaviour management" - instead of seeing the whole issue as one of a relationship -which we need to establish through bonding and mutual respect - children learn what they live - and behave as well as they are treated. It is far easier and much moreenjoyableto put in the "hard yards" and learn a baby's cues and teach her the world is safe in the beginning than to chase our tails later as we keep on trying to learn the next fad thing to stay in control as we deal with night terrors and clinginess because our kids feel insecure. I guess there are a lot of unreal expectations around babies feeding and sleeping and very little support for mums and dads, possibly because we dont always ask for help- set up your networks for support BEFORE you have your baby - freeze meals and simplfy your life - plan your BABYMOON, Darren - AROUND the baby's needs as well as your own - it is tiring but the baby shouldnt be the one to pay. Be open to receiving support - most of us feel privileged to be asked and EVERYONE can share the magic of a baby. Best wishes with your own bub. Pinky
[ozmidwifery] Re: OP babies
Well said Marilyn, Lois Robin!
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac and birth centres
Sounds good to me - the only thing is we'll probably end up with an encyclopaedia set LOL Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Sally Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I reckon we could write a book on some of the ridiculous excuses doctors give for intervention. How about: Dumb Doctors Diabolical Drivel?? Sally _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Breastfest SA
I'm secretly hoping this one is a bust (scuse the pun!) as I am selfish and want little old Adelaide back in the record books!! Oh well. I will revel in the glory while it lasts LOL Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfest SA Ken Ward (as himself). There was a piece in the Melbourne MX paper that Berkeley USA is aiming for 1000+ on Saturday.
[ozmidwifery] Breastfest SA
Hi All! We had a wonderful result at the SA Breastfest this morning - 767 breastfeeding babies!!! Well past the record of 536. The organisers did a fantastic job considering how many people there were. Howdid theother states go?? Hugs, Larissa "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
[ozmidwifery] Re: Ante natal education NACE
Hi Debbie, Just a query on the cut off date for the 10% discount for NACE members - is it the 1st or 12th of August?? The NACE website says 12th and the Capers site says 1st. Thanks! Larissa Dear all, for all those intereseted in antenatal education NACE ( National association of childbirth educators) in association with CAPERS we are hoping to have a workshop with Terri Shilling (Spokes person for Lamaze assoc and Doula from the States) on October the 9th in Adelaide. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Niki echinacea
Thanks Niki! That was very helpful info:) Just what I was looking for. Hugs, Larissa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
nmap slogan
How about NMAP - Empowering Women with Choice Hugs, Larissa "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
Re: slogan for NMAP
Yup Marilyn, I got those emails too but I stopped counting at 20 ;) I love that slogan!!! I think it's great we have so many wonderful ideas. Any news on your apppeal yet? Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: slogan for NMAP Did any of the rest of you get 37 messages from abdyesilkart They had ozmid on them and were all hieroglyphics? Anyway, how does the following slogan grab you Birth~ I did itmy way National Maternity Action Plan~ Birth Choices marilyn ---
Re: slogan
I like that one!! Want a Happier Birthday? Support the National Maternity Action Plan
Re: anyone out there!
Hi Jessica! Have you got a special letter written out asking people?? If you do can you send me a copy? I am scouting pregnant women myself and know a few women who are expecting - I can give them your letter if you like. I am actually attending a lot of ante natal classes over the next few weeks - I could ask the co-ordinator if I can give them a copy of your letter as well. Does this help?? I'd oblige myself but you are a few months too late LOL Hugs, Larissa, Callie (2yrs) Jaida (18 weeks)
Re: Cosleeping
Hi Janelle List However, the is a big SIDS prevention push at the hospital where I work, and one of the big no, nos is cosleeping. I do know however, that there are also midwives that if they find a mother and baby asleep in bed together, will remove the baby from the bed! Had I not had a similar experience I would not have believed such a statement! I had my last baby in February of this year. Because I also had a toddler I decided to transfer to the hospitals post natal ward for some "rest"(ha ha ha). The night shift midwife and I had a severe disagreement at 1am because *gasp* I had my baby in bed with me. Her exact words to me were " youwill roll over and kill her!" and "didn't read hospital guidelines? We don't recommend it here - it's very dangerous blah blah blah" My very nice (compared to her hostility)reply was "Well my first child is still alive and there are lots of studies into the benefits of co sleeping. Besides that she's hungry and she's feeding every 20 minutes and I am too tired to be sitting up and feed her like that all night. This is much easier for both of us.Thankyou for pointing the hospital guidelines out - I understand and I choose not to follow them" She then proceeded to try and convince me to let her take the baby away "if I was that bothered by her" ?!??!?! Lots of other things happened during the course of the night which I won't go into but needless to say I left first thing in the morning after my "rest". We have been asked to get parents to sign a form stating that they have received the information on safe sleeping, including the information that cosleeping is not recommended. Are the hospitals panicking about liability?? This I can understand but still...it doesn't seem right. Don't know if my story is really relevant but it was something that had bothered me for a long time. I dread to think how a first time mother would feel after being spoken to like that. I guess I am still naive sometimes in thinking that the rest of the world is as open minded as I am LOL. Hugs, Larissa
Re: Birth announcement!
Congratulations Darren well done to your wife! My husband was very impressed with your choice of name - one of his choices if we had a boy (we have 2 girls). You are absolutely right - all women should have the CHOICE of where to birth and with whom they wish. Lets make that happen!! Congratulations again! Hugs, Larissa
Re: breastfeeding survey tool
Hi Tracy, Here are Jen Byrne's contact details email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jen Byrne RM MNStMidwifery Course CoordinatorSchool of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University of South AustraliaGPO Box 2100ADELAIDE SA 5001PH: (08) 8201 3438FAX (08) 8201 3456http://www.flinders.edu.au HTH! Hugs, Larissa I am also seeking Jen Byrnes E-mail address and phone number. Kind regard Tracy
Re: fingers crossed!
Read that in today's paper with much glee!! It's about bl*@dy time!! Sorry about your "clinicals".All part of the experience I guess - you'll laugh about this one day :) My friend Suzie does the course at Flinders too and she was very unimpressed with the placements. Good luck when you get to go to your "real" clinicals - can't wait to hear about it! Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: fingers crossed! hello all, as a 3yrd adelaide bmid-der i was overjoyed to hear/read today that the gov/dept human ser. are footing the bill for our insurance, or so thats what i believe/have heard so far (then again i have just come off a 8.5hrclinicalplacementat the repat looking after patients no less than 75!!, yep lotsa babies thereanyway!!) im sure there will be more developments as time goes on, just thought id put this out there! hope you are all well take care love jessica.
Re: VBAC feedback
Hi Sue, Wanted to congratulate you on the great outcome with the doctor. I came across a quote which immediately made me think of your story: "Changing birth one OB at a time!" ~Nadine Romain And this is what you did!! Hope you enjoyed your weekend away Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: Sue Cudlipp To: ace graphics Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: VBAC feedback Dear list A couple of weeks ago I asked if any of you had seen or heard of manual checking of scars following VBAC. I collated your responses, copied the relevant passage from "Effective Guide...". and wrote a letter to go with it all, and posted the lot to the doctor involved. He telephoned me at home a few days later, actually on the weekend, and we had a very lengthy conversation. He was a bit taken aback at the force of some of your comments! On balance, I feel the conversation was productive and was not acrimonious. I respected the fact that he phoned me at home rather than make a verbal assault in the workplace, and it gave us both the opportunity to express our opinions in a neutral zone. I have worked with this doctor (among others) for the past 11 years, and we have had one or two disagreements in that time, without it ever becoming nasty, so I was happy that this was the same. He did say that he would no longer manually check scars - so I guess you could say that the result was a positive one! And I said that I respected his decision to change his practice in light of evidence etc.. It was an interesting exercise for me, as even after all this time (23 years) as a midwife, I still found it took a great deal of courage to actually confront the power of the medical profession. (Why???) Anyway, thank you for all your feedback - none of my colleagues had heard of this procedure either - though in all fairness, my research has shown me that it was indeed considered normal practice once! Happy IMD to you all. I shall be celebrating with a long-overdue, childfree weekend alone with my husband! Sue C
Re: postnatal discharge programs: support what you say
Hi Carroll List, This is the full article published in The Advertiser about the new program. Hope this helps! Hugs, Larissa Larissa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has suggested you might be interested in the following http://theadvertiser.com.au article: Doctors attack hospital plan for new mums 17 April 2002 NEW mothers are being encouraged to leave an Adelaide hospital the day they give birth in exchange for 36 hours of help in the home. The full story is available at: http://theadvertiser.com.au/common/story_page/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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here is the full transcript. Sorry about that! Larissa Doctors attack hospital plan for new mumsBy Health Reporter JILL PENGELLEY17apr02NEW mothers are being encouraged to leave an Adelaide hospital the day they give birth in exchange for 36 hours of help in the home. However, the pilot scheme at the Lyell McEwin hospital has been branded as "appalling" by the Australian Medical Association. The average length of stay after a non-surgical delivery in a public hospital is 2.89 days but, under the new scheme, women are allowed to go home within four hours. Their home helpers are 21 previously long-term unemployed young women from the northern suburbs. With six months' training through the University of South Australia, they spend six hours a day for six days providing help ranging from breastfeeding advice to dish washing. AMA vice-president and Adelaide obstetrician Trevor Mudge said yesterday the trade-off was "ludicrous". "To leave on day one and to replace professional care with care by someone trained for six months is ludicrous in the extreme," he said. "It's appalling, isn't it? "To trumpet this as a new advance in health care delivery is mischievous, to say the least." Lyell McEwin chief executive Paul Gardner said saving money was one aim of the project. Women who accepted the offer of home help would cost the hospital less by leaving early. "I guess you could call it a carrot but, on the other hand, it's entirely voluntary," he said. The Mothercarers pilot program is a partnership between several groups, including the Human Services Department and the Foundation for Young Australians which provided funding and criteria for employing the young women. They stipulated that they should be aged 18 to 25 and had never held a job. Mr Gardner said many of the young carers were mothers themselves. Their training included: LEARNING how to advise on breastfeeding. COOKING skills. BATHING and handling a baby. OBSERVING any physical and emotional signs of ill health in the mother and baby. LEARNING about the range of community support programs available to the mother. Mothers who used home help would still receive a 10-minute visit from a midwife each day for the first five days. The head of the hospital's women's and children's division, Professor Gus Dekker, proposed the trial based on his experience in The Netherlands. When he had come to Australia he had been "flabbergasted" to see women hospitalised for childbirth. "You basically transform a completely healthy mother and her newborn into patients when they're not sick," he said. Professor Dekker said the program's first aim was improved care, the second was providing jobs and the third was saving money. The hospital had about 1600 deliveries a year, but 2600 would be needed to make the scheme cost-neutral, he said. The medical chief of the Women's and Children's Hospital's women's and babies' division, Dr Ross Sweet, said he would "have a good, hard look" at the trial's results. "I think it's a wonderful idea but it needs to be very carefully done in terms of selecting and screening carers," he said. Health Minister Lea Stevens said the program was "fantastic" and praised Holden for lending a fleet of cars for the carers to use in the trial. "How can you have too many babies?That's like having too many flowers."~Mother Theresa~
Re: Denise Love
Sorry to butt in here but I would like to contact Denise about the same thing!! So if Denise is about are you able to send me info on the doula courses too ( i live in SA also)?? Thanks so much, Hugs, Larissa - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:51 AM Subject: att: Denise Love Hi Denise, I was speaking to jennifairy in class and she was telling me about your doula classes. I was hoping you could tell me a little more and if so, about external courses I could do in sa? thanks! Jessica.
