Re: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story...

[Tania & Laurie]

  What the??

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Tania Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:21 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story...


  >
  > How misleading a promo can be...
  >
  > A news story saying that Brian Peat, chief Ob at the Women's and
Children's
  > hospital is considering recommending that all women be induced at 39
weeks,
  > given the evidence that babies over 39 weeks gestation are at high risk
of
  > death and disability.
  >
  > Oh dear...
  >
  > Tania
  >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] info care packages for pregnant and birthing women - info from Joyous Birth

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Janet
As a BMid student, I'm sure I will find all this 
information valuable. Would it be possible to have a copy of all??? 
:-)
 
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:49 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] info care packages 
  for pregnant and birthing women - info from Joyous Birth
  
  Hi all,
  I've had such a huge 
  response I'm going to list what I currently have and you can just tell me what 
  you'd like.
  Happy to help in any way 
  with other topics if you need them. I have usually made them up for women 
  asking specific questions.
   
  Stuff I've written is about hb, natural birth and birth 
  trauma.Other delights... (and always growing)birth plan 
  ideasbreastfeeding myths x2common labour drugsdealing with labour 
  - paindoulasepisiotomyhep b and vit khomeopathic 
  inductionInduction - risksIs home birth for you?miscarriage and 
  still birth resourcespolyhydramniospostdates infopreventing 
  PEsafe cosleepingpregnancy/birth info for hospital birthing 
  womenSPDThe midwifery model of care around the worldWhy vaginal 
  exams?VBAC resources online
  Best,
  J
  Joyous Birth Home Birth 
  Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/
   
  Accessing Artemis Birth 
  Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis

Re: [ozmidwifery] physiological 3rd stage

[Tania & Laurie]

I would also love the see your care 
packages.
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] physiological 
  3rd stage
  
  
   This dad then 
  told them that he believed in the benefit of allowing the cord to stop 
  pulsating before cutting it and that he would sue them if they cut the cord 
  unnecessarily. 
   
  This is pretty much what I 
  teach women about birth although I don't recommend suing all that often ;-). I 
  certainly give the benefits of proceeding as nature has intended with all the 
  built in safeguards but I also provide large documents with the dangers of 
  each intervention. Women are always shocked by how little their hospital has 
  told them.
  I'm happy to share my "care 
  packages" with anyone who could use them.
  Best,
  J
  
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane

[Tania & Laurie]

Thanks Joanne
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Mrs Joanne M Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane


> There are no GMP's as yet in Bris.  (I still live in hope).  There are a
few
> large Teams in a few of the tertiary hospitals.  There is only one Birth
> Centre in Bris. operating within a teriary Hospital, which currently are
not
> employing DEM's!  (I hope they will in the future).  As for as getting
> practice time in Brisbane Hospitals, I don't think you'd have a problem,
but
> you'd have to apply to each of them separately.  Get a list of Hospitals
> taking students from the QNC (Queensland Nursing Council).  Don't forget
the
> smaller Hospitals around Brisbane, i.e. Ipswich, Redcliffe, Caboolture,
> Redlands, Logan as well as further out such as Gold Cost, Nambour,
> Toowoomba.  All these Hospitals have lots of births.  Good Luck with your
> final year.
>
> Cheers, Joanne.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tania & Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ozmidwifery@Acegraphics.Com.Au" 
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:26 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane
>
>
> > Hi everybody
> > I'm in the final year of my BMid at UniSA and am wondering if there are
> > 'places' in Brisbane who are willing to take on direct entry midwives
for
> > GMP. We (self, hubby and 3 kids) are thinking of moving up there next
year
> > so am putting out feelers now to see if it's a viable option or not.
> >
> > Also, we do a 4 week practicum placement in Oct/Nov this year - would it
> be
> > possible to do this placement somewhere in Brisbane? If anyone has any
> info
> > I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation!
> > Tania
> > Mum of Jai 6, Tyler 4 and Chelsea 20 months
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Tania & Laurie]

think i mite also!!
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum 
  & Kirsten 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
  
  that's it, I'm moving to 
  Perth!
   
  Kirsten
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sadie 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:04 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

There are 48 DEM's at King Edward Memorial 
Hospital in Perth.
 
Sadie

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum 
  & Kirsten 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
  hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment
  
  Sally-Anne,
  I wondered that too!
  I am a BMid student and have already 
  been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then 
  wondered if that was not a case for discrimination.
  Of course their stance is that i 
  cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals 
  overseas and some here of course already employ DEM's!
   
  Kirsten
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment 

Thanks for the update Joanne and the 
reminder re my anti virus update.  Had been away for a few days and 
was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I 
did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. 

 
Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 
'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't.  It is the 
email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. 
So the answer to your query is no I did 
not send an attachment  my guess is it was the email 
itself.
 
All the best for the campaign to have all 
midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned 
will not employ DEM's.  I think they would need to be very careful 
they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is 
the registration board that determines whether the training requirements 
of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, 
and not the area health services.  What does the QLD rego board 
think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own 
hands ?
 
One would think they might view this as the 
hospitals stepping over the line, as one would 
imagine..!!
 
 
Kind Regards
 
Sally-Anne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mrs Joanne M Fisher 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
  7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
  for the humbug
  
  Not sure why, but an attachment came with 
  your email, did you send one?  Also, note at the bottom of this 
  email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase.
   
  Cheers, Joanne.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 
5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
for the humbug

Helen,  
The same thing has happenned to me over 
the past 2-3 weeks.  I find the odd one gets through and others 
don't.
 
Kind Regards
Sally-Anne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 

  To: Ozmidwifery 

  Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 
  5:13 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - 
  sorry for the humbug
  
  I seem to be able to receive from but 
  not send to the list.  I have contacted the list 
  administrator but haven't heard anything back yet  
  
  
  

  Internal Virus Database is out-of-dat

Re: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Emily
Where are you? You could try contacting Northern 
Women's Community Health Service in Adelaide and ask to speak to one of the 
community midwives there. The phone no: is (08) 8252 3711.
 
Cheers
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Emily 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous 
  birthing
  
  Hi everyone
  Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was 
  hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective 
  starting in late july. I have to do an assignment on health inequality 
  issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who 
  sees indigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous 
  health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice 
  Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal 
  care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth 
  MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity 
  ward would be great too.
  Thanks so much :)
  emily
   
  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] newbie after some help :)

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Holly
Welcome to the list and the world of study! If you haven't found this book
yet, you may find it helpful 'Understanding Pain and its Relief in Labour'
by Sue Moore. It is not just about pain relief - there are chapters on the
physiology of pain, psychology of pain and defining pain. It's quite an
interesting read and I've referred to it a number of times throughout my
studies/placements.

Cheers
Tania
3rd year BMid (UniSA)

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] newbie after some help :)


> Hi everyone,
>
> I've been reading everyones posts with great interest over the last few
weeks and I have to say that everyone has such a great amount of knowledge
combined it's fantastic and inspirational!
>
> I'll take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Holly I'm a first year
bmid student at uts in nsw. This is the first year nsw has run the course
and I am one of only 29! We all feel very honoured to have been chosen to do
this course but overwhelmed and a bit scared!!  I have four children who
keep me very busy, but a fantastic husband and a very flexible nanny who
have been my lifeline in the first four weeks (only 3 years to go! yipee!!)
>
> So my question is : I'm doing a critical reflection on an incident i
observed in delivery 2 wks ago. I'm after articles etc that are about fear
of pain in labour which can lead to ineffective pushing. Also relevant would
be articles on how the pain of labour/childbirth can lead to delayed bonding
between mother and baby.
>
> Pardon me if I use incorrect language in my descriptions (i'm struggling
with the politically correct stuff).
>
> I'm also interested in knowing if Royal Hospital in Brisbane will look at
employing bmids in 3 yrs time? I think someone on here is from that
hospital?
>
> Thanks for you time and help in advance.
>
> ps - I have searched [EMAIL PROTECTED] with limited success
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Re: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Mary
GMP - Graduate Midwifery Program. My assumption was that these are offered
Australia wide, but perhaps it's just a South Australian thing?

Cheers
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane


> I can't help, but what is a GMP? MM
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[ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi everybody
I'm in the final year of my BMid at UniSA and am wondering if there are
'places' in Brisbane who are willing to take on direct entry midwives for
GMP. We (self, hubby and 3 kids) are thinking of moving up there next year
so am putting out feelers now to see if it's a viable option or not.

Also, we do a 4 week practicum placement in Oct/Nov this year - would it be
possible to do this placement somewhere in Brisbane? If anyone has any info
I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in anticipation!
Tania
Mum of Jai 6, Tyler 4 and Chelsea 20 months


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: question

[Tania & Laurie]

I have always been taught the same thing. Patience 
is a virtue!
Tania
3rd year UniSA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Larissa Inns 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:29 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: question
  
  "I would be very interested to hear from student 
  midwives on this - what exactly are you being taught nowadays?"
   
  I have always been taught to await the signs of 
  separation before doing anything else - being patient  significantly 
  reduces the chance  of problems resulting from "failure to wait" a 
  lesson some of our colleagues seem to forget ;)
   
  Cheers,
  Larissa
  3rd yr FUSA

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Sadie
I understand what you're saying about the RN certification 
etc. It just seems that, from my perspective at least, that in some units staff 
seem to think that because we are direct entry midders we know nothing - because 
we don't have the RN registration behind us also. So, therefore, when on a 
placement and I'm asked to do 'whatever', I jump at the chance if for no other 
reason than to prove them wrong and to show we are willing (and able) to do 
other stuff!! Yes, I may ask lots of questions along the way, but I'd much 
rather do that and be seen as someone prepared to have a go rather than sit back 
and say, sorry can't do that. A bit of a waffle I know, but I'm getting a little 
frustrated and tired of defending my choice to do direct entry mid to those who 
are not even willing to take a look at what our program entails .. 

 
Sorry, I know that's a bit off the track of what you were 
saying Sadie. I do understand completely what you are saying about practice 
outside what our registration covers. Please, nobody be offended by what I have 
said here, this comes from experiences I have had as a Bmid student and is not 
directed at anybody on this list.
 
Ho hum, things can only get better!
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sadie 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid
  
  Hi Tania,
  I am a direct entry midwife trained in the UK which is the 
  same as your BMid course. I work in Perth, and even though I was an auxiliary 
  nurse before training (no certification), I am not insured to do 'adult 
  nursing' - that means I cannot relieve for meal breaks in emergency or work 
  shifts in gynae or adult special care. It isn't because I don't want to, my WA 
  registration forbids it. You need to be sure your registration and hospital is 
  actually covering you for any tasks you perform outside your midwifery 
  practice. There are 50 direct entry trained midwives here, and this applies to 
  all of us. I also did 'general' placements in my 3 year training course, but 
  that does not give you an RN certification.
  Cheers,
  Sadie
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Tania 
& Laurie 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:57 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach 
Mid

Hi Kim
I was interested in your comment about not being able to 
be relocated to other 'wards' - is that from your point of view or others'? 
I'm a current Bmidder at UniSA and in our first year, we did a 'general 
nursing' placement on a surgical ward to enhance confidence 
and skills in the areas of basic nursing (BP, TPR etc blah blah blah, 
changing dressings, catheters yada yada yada - you get the 
picture).
 
When on mid placements, where some 'general' patients may 
also be, if 'mid' is quiet and I'm asked to care for these patients (even 
men), I'm more than happy to oblige. It can only enhance my knowledge and 
experience. As with yourself, I'm not anti-nurse, I just chose not to be 
one. I think if we are willing to do the extra bits to combat the myth that 
we can't do anything else, it can only help those who follow us and assist 
in changing the attitudes of those out there who are not so happy with the 
way mid education is going.
 
In an ideal world, we wouldn't have to fight and argue so 
hard about our abilities and competence, but it's not an ideal world so I do 
the best I can with what I've got and take on just about anything! (within 
reason of course).
 
Cheers
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kim Stead 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:55 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid
  
  


  
Hello again Marcia and others interested in this 
thread.
 
Thanks for your intro Marcia.  It's always 
nice to know who you are talking to.  I guess I have 
become a bit guarded regarding my midwifery qualification as 
it's been a torturous road to find a supportive environment in 
which to practice.  I live rurally - Gippsland to be 
precise.  DE midwives are virtually unheard of in the rural 
areas and many are at a loss as to 'what to do with us' since 
we can't be relocated to other wards - despite screaming out 
for midwifery staff.  Some, like anything new, are 
very resistant to change - mostly their own insecurities from 
what I can ma

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Kim
I was interested in your comment about not being able to be 
relocated to other 'wards' - is that from your point of view or others'? I'm a 
current Bmidder at UniSA and in our first year, we did a 'general nursing' 
placement on a surgical ward to enhance confidence and skills in the 
areas of basic nursing (BP, TPR etc blah blah blah, changing dressings, 
catheters yada yada yada - you get the picture).
 
When on mid placements, where some 'general' patients may also 
be, if 'mid' is quiet and I'm asked to care for these patients (even men), I'm 
more than happy to oblige. It can only enhance my knowledge and experience. As 
with yourself, I'm not anti-nurse, I just chose not to be one. I think if we are 
willing to do the extra bits to combat the myth that we can't do anything else, 
it can only help those who follow us and assist in changing the attitudes of 
those out there who are not so happy with the way mid education is 
going.
 
In an ideal world, we wouldn't have to fight and argue so hard 
about our abilities and competence, but it's not an ideal world so I do the best 
I can with what I've got and take on just about anything! (within reason of 
course).
 
Cheers
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kim Stead 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:55 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bach Mid
  
  

  
Hello again Marcia and others interested in this 
thread.
 
Thanks for your intro Marcia.  It's always nice 
to know who you are talking to.  I guess I have become a bit 
guarded regarding my midwifery qualification as it's been 
a torturous road to find a supportive environment in which to 
practice.  I live rurally - Gippsland to be precise.  DE 
midwives are virtually unheard of in the rural areas and many are at a 
loss as to 'what to do with us' since we can't be relocated to 
other wards - despite screaming out for midwifery staff.  
Some, like anything new, are very resistant to change - mostly 
their own insecurities from what I can make out.  
 
Anyway, I arrived in Australia 18mths ago and applied 
at two hospitals for work - both turned me down because 1. I could not 
be relocated and 2. because they were 'too busy' training medical 
staff.  I was also told that "I needed serious career advice if 
I thought I would ever be able to work in this country".  That 
was from one individual but someone in a position who should have known 
better!!!  You can imagine how that felt being a new, very 
enthusiastic graduate who had just sacrificed everything (family & 
finances included) to survive the 3 year 'full-on' 
degree!!  It was soul destroying to say the 
least and I now fully understand the term 'horizontal violence'!  
Fortunately for me - it just made me stronger and more determined!  
Why does this profession 'eat their young' instead of nuture them?  
I thought as midwives and as women - we were the nuturing types?  I 
know this is not true of all but the few that are like this leave a very 
bad taste in my mouth.   
 
Anyway... Since my 'failed applications', I 
had been working in the community 'with woman' the best way 
possible in the current environment but have just recently taken up an 
offer at one of the hospitals previously mentioned.  It is funny 
how things eventually have an about turn and how midwifery 
shortages don't change.  It seemed they 
were impressed by my work in the community and my dedication 
to 'midwifery philosophy' and keeping birth normal where possible.  
They wanted ME as part of their team...  It was a little hard to stomach at first and 
the concept of 'working in an obstetric model' is still very challenging 
each day when I drive to and from work.  I strive to work 
as
a midwife in a 'task orientated' environment where the 
focus is on the abnormal - either creating or correcting it.  It's 
no easy task or for the faint hearted!  I feel really sad that 
many midwives in this country are unable to practice to their full 
potential and see midwifery for what it really is - or should be.  
Perhaps we can stand united and fight for improvements for not only 
women but for ourselves?  We as women and midwives and 
mothers are a pretty strong force to be reckoned with!  Food 
for thought!
 
The hospital I am at are beginning to understand that 
Bach of Mid is here to stay and that we may well be the midwives of the 
future.  Many rural hospitals down this way are yet to take that on 
board.  I think that us 'new breed' of midwives

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board

[Tania & Laurie]

ï


My son decided he didn't need a sleep during the 
day when he was about 13 months old, and as with yourself, if he was happy for 
the rest of the day we wouldn't have worried about it. Anyway, after trying 
several things to get him to sleep in his room we decided to let him choose 
where he wanted to have a snooze - he quite happily slept on his fold out 
sofa on the floor in the lounge until he was about 2 1/2. Maybe something you 
could try. 
 
Cheers
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jodie 
  Miller 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:32 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for 
  Ozmid board
  --  Forwarded Message  
  --Subject: Message for Ozmid boardDate: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 
  02:47 pmFrom: "Wayne and Caroline McCullough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
  "'Jodie Miller'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hi 
  Jodie,Just wondering if you could post this message to the 
  Ozmid List!Cheers,CasToddler 
  Sleep DifficultiesOur 20 month old toddler has moved to a bed 
  2 months ago in his own room andsleeps well at night but we are struggling 
  to keep him in his sleep routineduring the day. If he didn't need the 
  sleep so badly we wouldn't be tooconcerned about this shift in pattern but 
  if he doesn't sleep during the dayhe gets extremely cranky from being 
  overtired and often falls asleep in hishighchair while eating his dinner, 
  absolutely exhausted. We tried puttinghim in a porta cot to keep him more 
  contained but that only lasted a week (aweek in which he slept extremely 
  well during the day---usually 2.5 hours)and then he figured out that he 
  could climb out. We have also tried puttingaway noisy toys in his room etc 
  but he will just get into whatever cupboardshe can get into and wreak 
  havoc. We have also tried patting him to sleep andI always make sure his 
  sleep time is accompanied by quiet in the house(well, we try), lights out 
  and blinds shut, and door shut to change theenvironment-so long has he can 
  get out of bed he will find something else todo. I have even left him in 
  there for three hours once and he just happilysat there and played. I 
  couldn't believe it! Most the time he will bang onthe walls, pull out 
  drawers or slam the door to get our attention. We'vetried repeatedly 
  putting him back to bed and walking out, sitting with him,ignoring him 
  altogether and nothing works! We are getting quite desperateand really 
  don't know what to do next. Does anyone have any useful advice?All this is 
  compounded by the fact that I am due to have another baby anyday now! 
  Please email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can 
  help!Cheers,Cas 
  McCullough---
  
  

  
  
  

  
  Hi 
  Jodie,
   
  Just wondering if you could post 
  this message to the Ozmid List!
   
  Cheers,
   
  Cas
   
  Toddler Sleep 
  Difficulties
   
  Our 20 month old toddler has moved 
  to a bed 2 months ago in his own room and sleeps well at night but we are 
  struggling to keep him in his sleep routine during the day. If he didnât need 
  the sleep so badly we wouldnât be too concerned about this shift in pattern 
  but if he doesnât sleep during the day he gets extremely cranky from being 
  overtired and often falls asleep in his highchair while eating his dinner, 
  absolutely exhausted. We tried putting him in a porta cot to keep him more 
  contained but that only lasted a week (a week in which he slept extremely well 
  during the day---usually 2.5 hours) and then he figured out that he could 
  climb out. We have also tried putting away noisy toys in his room etc but he 
  will just get into whatever cupboards he can get into and wreak havoc. We have 
  also tried patting him to sleep and I always make sure his sleep time is 
  accompanied by quiet in the house (well, we try), lights out and blinds shut, 
  and door shut to change the environmentâso long has he can get out of bed he 
  will find something else to doâ I have even left him in there for three hours 
  once and he just happily sat there and playedâ I couldnât believe it! Most the 
  time he will bang on the walls, pull out drawers or slam the door to get our 
  attention. Weâve tried repeatedly putting him back to bed and walking out, 
  sitting with him, ignoring him altogether and nothing works! We are getting 
  quite desperate and really donât know what to do next. Does anyone have any 
  useful advice? All this is compounded by the fact that I am due to have 
  another baby any day now! Please email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can 
  help!
   
  Cheers,
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] External Bmidders from UniSA

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Sue
I studied externally at UniSA this semester and had no trouble with my
placements. We only did a 2 week nursing home placement in 1st year
(undergraduate BMid) and it was mainly for ADL's - but I don't believe they
are doing this anymore.

Regards
Tania
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Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:30 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] External Bmidders from UniSA


> Hi,
> Just wondering if any of you out there who are doing the external B(Mid)
> from Uni SA have had any trouble with your clinical placements?
>
> I'm in northern NSW and have been told that there are very few local
> clinical placements available, but do not want to end up doing placements
in
> nursing homes as was mentioned by someone on the list recently (not
> neccessarily doing a Uni SA course).
>
> Thanks, Sue
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour and Birth - the 4 P's ????

[Tania & Laurie]

Thank you so much to all that responded to my query. It's been very helpful
and I look foward to following up the books that have been recommended.

Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Hastie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour and Birth - the 4 P's 


> What a fantastic journey to undertake Tania.  I find it interesting how
> you have been asked to consider these aspects using the multifocal
> framework of anatomy, physiology, psychology, sociology and midwifery
> care. It's also interesting that you are  STUCK as many women are in our
> society as we have sought to be reductionist and assembly line about
> this exquisite, sexual, holistic, organic, dynamic, transformatitive
> dance/process of birth :-)
>
> Some references to assist you (and I'm sure  others will have other
> ideas too)
>
> Derek Llewellyn Jones " Fundamentals of Obstetrics and Gynaecology" (an
> oldie but a goodie for the physical aspects) has a lovely run down on
> the " Powers, passenger and passage".  I'm sure you will find it in the
> Uni medical library. I have always found the drawings in this particular
> book very helpful (just need to turn the page around to imagine the
> woman upright! and of course the parts are without " the woman" .  The
> other hilarious, but sobering thing about this book and many from that
> era is the language and the fact that women's bits are represented from
> a male anatomical point of view. What do I mean by that? well, the lower
> segment of the uterus in the older versions are said to be "poorly
> endowed with muscular fibres..." er...compared to what?  And of course,
> that the lower segment of the uterus has exactly the right kind of
> muscle fibres to do the job it is meant to do completely escaped the
> good Derek (and others of his ilk).  But you can see how that kind of
> language has led/reinforced and encouraged the view that women's bodies
> are inherently defective.
>
> Psychological Processes of Childbearing by Joan Raphael-Leff; Mind over
> Labour by Carl Jones,  Birthing Normally by Gayle Peterson, Women's
> bodies women's wisdom by Dr Christianne Northrup and of course Spiritual
> Midwifery by Ina May Gaskin are all very useful resources for the Psyche
> :-)  There are so many more, the Birthing from Within book by Pam
> England etc and Transformation through Birth by Claudia Panuthos are
> excellent.  These books all demonstrate that what affects the inner
> experience/event of labour affects the physiology.
>
> Childbirth without fear by Grantley Dick Read is a fantastic read and
> he set the stage for the understandings that have since been
> proliferating about the fear tension pain syndrome.  Dr Candace Pert
> wrote Molecules of emotion and that is wonderful for understanding more
> and validating Dick Read's theory.
>
> Dr Sarah Buckley did a great article in ByronChild about the
> endocrinology of childbirth in an article called " Giving Birth: the
> endocrinology of ecstasy".  And of course Michel ODent has written
> extensively about oxytocin, the love hormone.
>
> The article " Maternal confidence in coping with labor" by Nancy K Lowe
> in JOGN Nov/Dec 1991 discussses how confidence in one's ability to cope
> with labour is critical in the perception of pain during labour.
>
> For further thinking, the Relaxation response by Dr Herbert Benson
> demonstrates how thinking relaxing thoughts produces changes in the
> electrical activity of the brain. We know that accessing slower brain
> waves, and enabling the impulses from the primitive brain area to take
> over is what is needed for women to labour and birth well.
>
> and then there is the environment  what we do as midwives/health
> services etc
>
> Niles Newton in Maternal emotions demonstrated that disturbances in the
> environment had significant effects on birthing, noting that the release
> of oxytocin is easily conditioned and inhibited by outside stimuli. We
> now know that oxytocin, relaxin and endorphins are part of the
> relaxation response and are bonding hormones. Catecholamines, adrenalis,
> cortisols are part of the fear fight/flight/freeze response and are a
> separate and overtaking pathway when the person feels or senses a
> threat, so labour is stopped, blood is sent to essential organs and arms
> and legs for a quick response, the uterus is not considered essential in
> this instance and blood is diverted awayleading to fetal
> distressetc
>
> So the woman is subject to influences from her inner and outer
> environment
>
> What a great topic. I've had fun thinking about all this.  There are
> lots more interesting books, articles and information, but I'm sure
> others can suggest a lot too.
>
> warmly, Carolyn
>
>
>
>
> Carolyn Hastie
> Midwifery Educator
> John Hunter Hospital
> Locked Bag No 1
> Newcastle Mail Exchange 2310
> Australia
> Phone 02 49214462
> Mobile 0418 428 430
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[ozmidwifery] Labour and Birth - the 4 P's ????

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi everybody
Does anybody out there have any information on the 4 P's of labour and birth
(passage, passenger, powers, psyche). I'm a BMidder at UniSA and we have
been asked to consider these in relation to the anatomy, physiology,
psychology, sociology and midwifery care surrounding normal labour and
birth. I'M STUCK!!!

I can't find any information in our texts so if anyone can help I'd really
appreciate it.

Cheers
Tania


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Postnatal Observations

[Tania & Laurie]

I'm a BMid student at UniSA so I don't have any practice info to give you
but I do know that routine measurement of temp, pulse, BP and fundal height
are in table 5 of  'A guide to effective care in pregnancy and childbirth' -
meaning it is a form of care unlikely to be beneficial.

Tania


- Original Message - 
From: "Melanie Jane Dunstan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Postnatal Observations


> Hello Everyone
>
> Wondering If I can tap into your minds of wisdom.
>
> We are currently fighting with a registrar at work regarding post natal
> observations. At present if a woman has had a normal vaginal birth with no
> complications either antenatally or during the birth we do not routinely
> take BP, P or Temps.
>
> The registrar does not quite like this idea and is trying to change our
> practice as she feels that things might be missed and that birth has a
huge
> impact on a woman's health.
>
> We have argued the point that these women are well women and that if they
> feel unwell we would then take observations.
>
> I guess I am wondering what the practice elsewhere is and if there is any
> evidence to support our practice
>
> Thanks
>
> Melanie Dunstan
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query.

[Tania & Laurie]

A couple of references that may be helpful:

Flint C (1993). Continuity of care provided by a team of midwives - the Know
Your Midwife Scheme. In Midwives, Research and Childbirth, volume II. S
Robinson and A Thomson eds. Chapman & Hall, London, pp72-103.

Flint C (1993). Midwifery Teams & Caseloads. Butterworth-Heinemann, Oxford.

I'm sure there are more, but I just can't lay my hands on them at the
moment.

Tania
BMid UniSA
- Original Message - 
From: "Graham & Wende Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:44 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query.


> A student midwife at our rural unit  needs info on the KYM scheme as
> devised by Caroline Flint. Specifically related to events in 1987. She
> doesn't know what event(s) in 1987 -  it is a date mentioned by her
> lecturer. She doesn't have internet access at the moment so I
> volunteered to ask for her.
> She is receiving a well rounded education at the moment - depending on
> one's point of view  of course!
>  She and I watched over a primip's waterbirth last week of an OP baby
> who took 3 hours of non-directed pushing to emerge. Sunday night  an
> asymptomatic primip had a seizure with a head on view.  A week or so ago
> there was an intervention free planned term vaginal twin birth and two
> colleagues have had VBACS.! Night duty is definitely the time to
> experience everything  midwifery practice can throw at you.
> Thank you on her behalf for any info you can supply.
> Wende  ( at the coal face since 1972 )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query.

[Tania & Laurie]

Our readings list has some Caroline Flint bits and pieces in it. Will look
for it and post the references.
Tania
BMid UniSA
- Original Message - 
From: "Graham & Wende Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:44 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] KYM- Caroline Flint Query.


> A student midwife at our rural unit  needs info on the KYM scheme as
> devised by Caroline Flint. Specifically related to events in 1987. She
> doesn't know what event(s) in 1987 -  it is a date mentioned by her
> lecturer. She doesn't have internet access at the moment so I
> volunteered to ask for her.
> She is receiving a well rounded education at the moment - depending on
> one's point of view  of course!
>  She and I watched over a primip's waterbirth last week of an OP baby
> who took 3 hours of non-directed pushing to emerge. Sunday night  an
> asymptomatic primip had a seizure with a head on view.  A week or so ago
> there was an intervention free planned term vaginal twin birth and two
> colleagues have had VBACS.! Night duty is definitely the time to
> experience everything  midwifery practice can throw at you.
> Thank you on her behalf for any info you can supply.
> Wende  ( at the coal face since 1972 )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right to Choose

[Tania & Laurie]

I agree Sally.
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "sally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's Right
to Choose


> I agree with you Nicole, however, I believe this topic was discussed on
the
> list not that long ago and became quite heated. This is a subject on which
> some people have very strong views. I believe this is not the most
> appropriate forum to discuss it, and before anyone gets hurt/offended
again,
> feel that we should not post anymore on the subject.
> What do others think?
>
> Sally
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nicole Cousins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's
Right
> to Choose
>
>
> > I don't support abortion but I don't believe that I should be making
that
> > decision for other people.  I use to work in a unit were we did many
> > terminations for many reasons and 80% were for fetal abnormality that
was
> > not compatable with life.  Do we force these women to go to term with
> these
> > babies because they are still living at the time of the termination.  I
> > don't think women make these choices lightly.  I would hate to see
womens
> > lives lost because we stopped women from having safe terminations and
they
> > had to start to do there own back yard jobs.  Which would be worse?  The
> > fetus may be a life but so is the woman, a choice has to be made.  I
> worked
> > with psyc patients who where cutting them selves up trying to get the
baby
> > out, what do we do with these women.  I wish the answer was as clear cut
> as
> > the baby has rights and its a life but there is more to it.
> >
> > Lets hope we don't become a society where we are forced to go through
> things
> > against our own wishes.  God help the woman who are rapped and falls
> > pregnant, 9 months is a long time to be continually reminded of what you
> > were put through.
> >
> > Just one other thing, who is going to care for all of these children,
> these
> > lives when the country can't cope with the ones it has now.  I wonder
how
> > many people would adopt extra children just so they could live.  And
there
> > is definatly not 12 babies needed for adoption, do we go back to
> puting
> > children in institutions again because there not wanted, how sad.  We
> can't
> > even house all of our aging population imagin if we add 12 children
to
> > that.
> >
> > Nicole
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: (Adelaide)Meeting to Defend a Woman's
> Right
> > to Choose
> >
> >
> > > > and how dare anyone take that right away.
> > > >
> > > > Nicole
> > >
> > > How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being
> > > "terminated". If I was about to be killed because someone decided I
> should
> > > be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me.
> > >
> > > Love Abby
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Re: [ozmidwifery] smoking in pregnancy

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Leanne
Have you tried a google search? I know we have to be careful about what we
find on the internet but sometimes you can find really good 'stuff'. I typed
in 'smoking and stillbirth' and found some interesting links to studies,
research etc in respected journals. You could try different key words and
phrases to broaden your search as well.

Good luck with your search
Tania
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From: "leanne wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] smoking in pregnancy


> Hi All,
> Can anyone direct me to any research or journal articles discussing the
> effects of smoking in pregnancy, particularly the correlation between
> smoking and stillbirth?
> Thanks,
> Leanne.
>
> Leanne Wynne
> Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
> Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
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[ozmidwifery] 2nd Stage of Labour

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi all!
I'm a BMid student at UniSA and about to move into the 'independent' phase
of assisting women with birth. I have a question about 2nd stage, which I'm
hoping is not too ridiculous!

If you are with a woman who says she wants/needs to push, but you are not
certain about dilatation as no VE has been performed (either because it's
part of your practice, maternal request .) what do you do?

I recently worked with midwife who performed a VE and determined dilatation
to be at about 6cm. Within about 15-30 mins the woman (a multi) expressed a
need to push. The midwife encouraged her to breathe through that urge and
not to push 'just yet'.  This went on for about 20 minutes until finally we
were able to see some HOV, then it was 'go for it'.

So, I guess what I'm really asking is - do you allow women to go with their
bodies and what they are feeling (which would be my instinct, rightly or
wrongly who knows!)  or wait for external signs that pushing 'ok'?

Cheers
Tania


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Re: [ozmidwifery] selective risk fators

[Tania & Laurie]

Hadn't thought about amnio's from this perspective before Jo. Thanks! Will
keep in mind for future reference.
Tania
BMid Student
- Original Message - 
From: "Dean & Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] selective risk fators



Even though I knew the risk factors amnios were 1-2% loss of baby, by
reading it in the last post about something entirely different to vbac
-which is where my head is currently at- I am once again drawn in
amazement at the flexibility of what risks are okay and what is deemed
too risky in the eyes of the medical community.  The risk of rupture, as
we all know, is an estimated 0.3% (probably less if the research wasn’t
so flawed) and this is a risk that is too high for women to be able to
birth in a birth centre

BUT

Women can request an amnio with little reason or argument and they (the
doctors) are willingly going along with it!!! I know not all do, but it
seems those who feel vbac is too risky are usually the ones who will
accept or even push for women to have a 'test' that has a greater chance
of killing the baby!

Arg!  Quick question: do OB's become insurance agents or do insurance
agents become OB's???  I can't work out what order it seems to go?
All I know is that insurance agents must be smarter than doctors as they
are the ones dictating what best practice is!

Enough of a rant for today
Love to all
Jo


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Abby
Myself and a few other students at Uni SA have had 
similar thoughts and visions. Maybe one day ..
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Abby and Toby 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:11 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing 
  Birth Centres
  
  That's why I asked. 
  Ever since I started really feeling "called" to 
  supporting women during pregnancy and birth I have been looking at different 
  ways women choose to birth.
  Ultimately it would be AMAZING if the 99% of 
  women that could, would birth at home...though, I can't 
  imagine that happening in the near future. Not only because of the costs or 
  availablity, but also because of the way the majority of our culture, and 
  women, think. So..then comes the idea for an amazing birth 
  centre. 
  I would love to hear some others ideas about what 
  would make a good birth centre. I love the idea of The Farm, where families go 
  to stay for a little while before and after the birth. 
  I would love a place that was not just for "low 
  risk" but for all kinds of "risk". A beautiful and inspiring place with 
  outdoor birthing pools, rolling green hills, earth buildings, stone labrynths, 
  complimentry therapies, organic foodah..I love to 
  dream!
  And a place where aspiring midwives could 
  apprentice with other wise women, maybe even a traditional midwifery learning 
  centre.
   
  I can hear my little Akayrii calling for me, 
  so I best get to bed.
   
  Goodnight, thanks for sparking the dream 
  again!
  Love Abby
   
  >>I'm another with the same dream! 
  Tania>>Kim .You and I should 
  talk, as I also have this same dream!!! :-)Katrina>>Good question Abby!  I have no idea but would like 
  to know what the reason is apart from the standard line "not 
  enough anesthetists".  One of my dreams is to build one so I will be 
  keen to see if anyone knows the answers!Kim. 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres

[Tania & Laurie]

I'm on your wavelength Kim!
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kim Stead 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:26 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing 
  Birth Centres
  
  

  
 
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the deal with PI insurance and 
birth centres?  I know midwives can't obtain any but wouldn't a 
birth centre facility actually own the insurance just like any other 
medical establishment?.  As for obstetric back-up, you just 
transfer to hospital if that is what is required??  That is how it 
works in NZ.  Run by midwives, no other medical staff other than 
nurse aids and when women require medical intervention or consultation, 
they transfer to hospital either by car or ambulance.  I am getting 
the same comments in independent practice "but you don't have obstetric 
back-up".  What do they think the hospital is?  Are they not 
going to treat the woman because she has been foolish enough to 
chose safe and cost-effective maternity care to optimise the chances of 
a normal birth?  Seems so simple to me but of course I am still a 
bit green!  I would appreciate some enlightenment and bringing back 
down to earth if need be.  :-)  I just can't seem to 
understand why everyone wants to make it so complicated - present 
company excluded.
 
Kim.
 
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17/09/2004 
9:31:25 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 
[ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres
 
Hi All,
I think the main issue is the lack of PI insurance and obstetric 
backup.
Leanne.
 
 
>From: Ceri & Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:55:26 +1000
>
>Well I'm going to actually finish my course first!!   
Then who knows!!!
>I live on the central coast of NSW
>
>Katrina :-)
>On 17/09/2004, at 7:05 AM, Kim Stead wrote:
>
>> 
>>Well guys - what shall we do about it???  Where do you 
all live because of
>>course, I would love it right on my own door-step!  
Maybe we can franchise
>>it!!  :-)
>> 
>>Kim.
>> 
>>---Original Message---
>> 
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Date: 17/09/2004 12:14:11 a.m.
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth 
Centres
>> 
>>Tania & Laurie wrote:
>> 
>> > I'm another with the same dream!
>> > Tania
>> >
>> > - Original Message 
-
>> > *From:* Ceri & Katrina 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 
16, 2004 7:53 PM
>> > *Subject:* Re: [ozmidwifery] 
Free Standing Birth Centres
>> >
>> > Kim
>> > You and I should talk, as I 
also have this same dream!!! :-)
>> >
>> > Katrina
>> >
>> >
>> > On 16/09/2004, at 7:57 PM, 
Kim Stead wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Good 
question Abby!  I have no idea but would like to know
>> > what 
the reason is apart from the standard line "/not
>> > 
enough anesthetists"./  One of my dreams is to build one so 
I
>> > will 
be keen to see if anyone knows the answers!
>> >
>>ME  TOO!! Anyone in Northern Perth??
>> 
>>Jo ;)
>> 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres

[Tania & Laurie]

Will have to finish first also!! I'm in 
Adelaide.
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ceri 
  & Katrina 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:25 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing 
  Birth Centres
  Well I'm going to actually finish my course first!! Then who 
  knows!!! I live on the central coast of NSWKatrina :-)On 
  17/09/2004, at 7:05 AM, Kim Stead wrote:
   Well 
guys - what shall we do about it???  Where do you all live because of 
course, I would love it right on my own door-step!  Maybe we can 
franchise it!!  :-) Kim. ---Original 
Message--- From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 
17/09/2004 12:14:11 a.m.
  To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: 
Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth 
  Centres
   Tania 
& Laurie wrote: > 
I'm another with the same 
dream!> Tania>> 
- Original Message 
-> 
*From:* Ceri & Katrina 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
*Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:53 PM> 
*Subject:* Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth 
Centres>> 
Kim> 
You and I should talk, as I also have this same dream!!! :-)>> 
Katrina>>> 
On 16/09/2004, at 7:57 PM, Kim Stead wrote:>>>> 
Good question Abby!  I have no idea but would like to know> 
what the reason is apart from the standard line "/not> 
enough anesthetists"./  One of my dreams is to build one so I> 
will be keen to see if anyone knows the answers!>ME  TOO!! 
Anyone in Northern Perth?? Jo 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth Centres

[Tania & Laurie]

I'm another with the same dream!
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ceri 
  & Katrina 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:53 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Free Standing 
  Birth Centres
  Kim You and I should talk, as I also have this same 
  dream!!! :-)KatrinaOn 16/09/2004, at 7:57 PM, Kim Stead 
  wrote:
    Good 
question Abby!  I have no idea but would like to know what the reason 
is apart from the standard line "not enough 
anesthetists".  One of my dreams is to build one so I will be keen 
to see if anyone knows the answers! Kim. ---Original 
Message--- From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 
16/09/2004 7:48:01 p.m.
  To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] Free Standing Birth 
  Centres
   Hi, Is 
there any such thing in Australia? Or are they all connected to hospitalsor government run etc?Is it legal to have a free 
standing birth centre, if we don't have any inAustralia? ThanksLove 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vegan and pro-choice (was abortion etc)

[Tania & Laurie]

Here, Here Leanne. You articulated all I wished to say but couldn't.
Tania
midwifery student
- Original Message - 
From: "Leanne Veitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vegan and pro-choice (was abortion etc)


> Abby and Toby wrote:
>
> > >>Vegetarianism and abortion, I find that incredibly ridiculous!
> >
> > I just can't get this comment out of my head. It is so
> > ridiculous...so ridiculous that some women don't eat meat
> > because they don't want to harm or kill an animal, yet they will
> > willfully, and by choice, harm and kill their unborn baby. I find this
> > incredibly ridiculous.
>
> As a pro-choice vegan, I actually find that quite offensive.
>
> One could argue (as you've raised the issue), it is equally (if not
> more) ridiculous to claim to be 'pro-life' yet to kill intelligent,
> sentient animals needlessly for your pleasure because you happen to like
> the taste of their dead bodies. Being a selectively 'pro-life' omnivore
> is more than a little hypocritical! Or do some lives matter more than
> others? And who are we to judge?
>
> No-one in Western countries *needs* to consume animal flesh, so the
> slaughter and cruelty involved in the animal flesh industries is
> absolutely needless (I do not believe the same of third world countries,
> where food resources may be scarce and there may be absolute need to
> consume animal flesh, however).
>
> Cruelty and animal abuse for no valid reason whatsoever can never be
> justified logically, whereas legal abortion certainly can be on numerous
> grounds (including the social and mental welfare of the woman, the
> specific situation involving her pregnancy, disabled or deformed
> fetuses, the avoidance of illegal, unsafe abortion etc.)
>
> It should also be pointed out that in Australia, abortion is only legal
> several weeks before a fetus is medically 'viable'. We are not talking
> about killing sentient, viable children. We are talking about a
> procedure much more akin to the removal of unwanted/unviable flesh from
> a woman's body, to assess it from a purely medical point of view.
>
> Any genuine argument against abortion of non-viable fetuses must
> invariably come from a religious / personal ethics point of view, and is
> simply not logical. Fortunately, we do not live in a society where the
> ethics/religious beliefs of a small percentage of Australians dictate
> the lives of the majority. Women who do not support abortion can simply
> choose not to have one. But they do not have the right to pass judgement
> on other women and their rights any more than I, as a vegan, have the
> right to force the omnivorous majority not to eat animal flesh.
>
> Being pro-choice is a compassionate decision - we place the needs of
> women above the needs of an unborn fetus that is, scientifically and
> literally speaking, nowhere near as developed as the average pig going
> to slaughter. Being vegan and pro-choice, I am showing compassion and
> non-judgement for both women and animals. Being omnivorous and fiercely
> 'pro-life' is, arguably, being compassionate to neither.
>
> You have every right to be pro-choice, but you do not have the right to
> make decisions for other women, nor do you have the right to pass
> judgement on women who might have perfectly valid reasons for termination.
>
> I do not wish to turn this issue into a huge debate or flame-war, so I
> will end my post on the note that we all have different beliefs, we all
> have different views, and we all have different ethics. That is what
> being part of the Australian community is about. But perhaps if we all
> showed a little more tolerance for ideas that differ from our own,
> instead of branding them as 'ridiculous' and trying to shove our own
> viewpoint down other people's necks, we'd all get along a great deal
> better. Respect for life - *all* life - must begin with respect for
> other people and their autonomy.
>
> Should anyone wish to continue this discussion, please feel free to
> email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that we show the courtesy of not
> bombarding the rest of the list (who may not be interested in this
> off-topic issue) with emails.
>
> Leanne.
>
> >
> > Abby
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

[Tania & Laurie]

nope, not just you! :-)
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum & 
  Kirsten 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National 
  Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
  
  oh dear...not again.
  I hope it's not just me
   
  This is number 4
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dean 
& Jo 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:45 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] National 
Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

Hello, 
 
just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean 
Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully 
from 3.30pm - 
 
Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: 

a day of emotional healing.
 
A day of emotional 
healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and 
meaningful way.
 
The day will 
incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own 
personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture.  If you are unable to 
attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to 
the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional 
Healing".  We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the 
web site : www.cares-sa.org.au
 
Each woman is also 
invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the 
flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving 
away.  Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states 
events.  Candles will be on sale on the day for a small 
cost.
 
Please keep in 
mind:
 
- the weather forecast is 
for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress 
warm!
 
- partners are welcome 
however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies 
excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite 
small and the waterfall is easily accessible for children.  CARES 
SA advise that it is not safe for young children.  It is also a time 
for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and 
could cause distress.  CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for 
children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be 
suitable.  
 
Please feel 
welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very 
special event.  We look forward to seeing you on the day!  And 
remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet 
"Expressions of Emotional Healing".
 
yours in 
birth
 
Jo, Carolyn 
and the exceptional women of the CARES SA core 
group.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re BMid SA

[Tania & Laurie]

Title: Re BMid SA



Hi again Sue
The info I posted before was for pre-registration 
or direct entry. I know you can do post-reg entirely external if you want 
to.
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sue 
  Cookson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:33 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re BMid SA
  Hi Tania, Tanya and others,Just to clarify Tania, you're 
  enrolled in the 3 year BMid internal program, and Tanya you're in the 6 year 
  external Bmid at UniSA.Could either of you enlighten me about whether 
  UniSA has a 3 year external program as well?Thanks,Sue
  Hi KimI'm not sure how to email you off list so 
am replying here! I'm interested in doing my graduate year in NZ. Currently 
I'm studying the BMid at UniSA as one of the first 'direct entry' group. I'd 
have finished at the end of this year, but had a homebirth for baby no. 3 in 
July last year and will now finish end of 2005.Thanks for link you provided - will take a look and see how I go. 
Could you let me know how to email you off list - just in case I have more 
questions?? Thanks.CheersTania

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re BMid SA

[Tania & Laurie]

Title: Re BMid SA



Hi Sue
I don't think there is an external 3 year program - 
but then I didn't know there was an external 6 year program either!! 
From my understanding there are only certain subjects in the 3 year program 
that can be undertaken externally. Perhaps you could contact the program 
director at Uni SA. Her name is Beth Grinter, ph 8302 6317 - she can be 
difficult to get hold of, so be patient and she will return your call if you 
leave a message.
 
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sue 
  Cookson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:33 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re BMid SA
  Hi Tania, Tanya and others,Just to clarify Tania, you're 
  enrolled in the 3 year BMid internal program, and Tanya you're in the 6 year 
  external Bmid at UniSA.Could either of you enlighten me about whether 
  UniSA has a 3 year external program as well?Thanks,Sue
  Hi KimI'm not sure how to email you off list so 
am replying here! I'm interested in doing my graduate year in NZ. Currently 
I'm studying the BMid at UniSA as one of the first 'direct entry' group. I'd 
have finished at the end of this year, but had a homebirth for baby no. 3 in 
July last year and will now finish end of 2005.Thanks for link you provided - will take a look and see how I go. 
Could you let me know how to email you off list - just in case I have more 
questions?? Thanks.CheersTania

Re: [ozmidwifery] NZ Midwifery

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Kim
I'm not sure how to email you off list so am replying here! 
I'm interested in doing my graduate year in NZ. Currently I'm studying the BMid 
at UniSA as one of the first 'direct entry' group. I'd have finished at the end 
of this year, but had a homebirth for baby no. 3 in July last year and will now 
finish end of 2005.
 
Thanks for link you provided - will take a look and see how I 
go. Could you let me know how to email you off list - just in case I have more 
questions?? Thanks.
 
Cheers
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kim Stead 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NZ 
  Midwifery
  
  

  
Hi Tania
 
I am from NZ and now living here so what precisely would you like 
to know?  
 
There are ample opportunities in NZ, more in rural areas where 
midwives are a bit scarce - both in indpendent practice, birth centres 
or tertiary hospitals.  When you say grad mid program, are you 
meaning your midwifery training or a graduate year?  I am quite 
sure that graduate diploma's in mid have been completely phased out and 
replaced with the bachelor program of which I am sure you would be able 
to get some cross credits. Most registered nurses still complete an 
additional 2 full years to be accrediated the Bach of Mid.  
The NZ college of Midwives website would be a good place to start 
looking and investigating.  http://www.nzcom.org.nz
 
Both Islands are great to live in, just depends on what you are 
looking for.  The North is somewhat busier and the South a bit more 
laid back but of course both have it's pockets of each.  I came 
from the Waikato in the central North Island which was great but cold 
and damp with lots of rain and fog.  The Bay of Islands at the top 
of the North Island is beautiful and much warmer.  The South Island 
has beautiful scenery but is pretty cold also.  
 
Email me off the list if you would like to know more but I reckon 
the NZCOM site will proably be able to answer most of your 
questions.  There are sub branches of NZCOM throughout the country 
if you would like to make contact with one of them.
 
Regards
 
Kim.
 
Kim 
Stead
Midwife : 
Birth-Wise 
Midwifery
www.birth-wise.com.
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 11/09/2004 
3:26:41 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] NZ Midwifery
 
Hi everybody
I'm considering moving myself and family to NZ to do my grad mid 
program. If
anybody has some contacts over there who may be able to shed some 
light on
opportunities, where to go etc etc I would greatly appreciate 
it.
 
Thanks
Tania
 
 
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[ozmidwifery] NZ Midwifery

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi everybody
I'm considering moving myself and family to NZ to do my grad mid program. If
anybody has some contacts over there who may be able to shed some light on
opportunities, where to go etc etc I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks
Tania


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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Tania & Laurie]

Honey,
I'm a 3rd BMid (yes, direct entry) student at UniSA. On the whole, our
placements at various venues have been positive and encouraging, with the
odd ear bashing about 'why don't you do your RN, then do your mid'. My
feeling is that the negativity aimed at students is mainly due to change. I
believe it was the same when tertiary education replaced hospital based
training. Have heard the occassional comment about direct entry students not
being able to work from a 'broad enough knowledge base'! It is my
understanding that after 3 years of study with midwifery as the focus, we
have as much knowledge as RN's who choose to do their mid. I don't want to
get into a debate about which is the right path to choose and I don't mean
to offend anybody, each of us have our different reasons for the road we
travel, but the fact is BMidders are here to stay! Personally, I am
passionate about working with women and assisting them to achieve a
positive, empowering birth experience. The BMid works within a woman
centred, wellness model and promotes pregnancy as a normal, social, life
cycle experience - as is change.

Cheers
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Honey Acharya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction


> "I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> > the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), "
> Tanya I'm not a midwife so I  can't offer any suggestions but I am curious
> about the difference between the two different methods of study to
becoming
> a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some
people
> refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the reasons
> why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery?
> Thanks
> Honey
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> > introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in
Hobart,
> > Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
> with
> > Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my
two
> > follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy
(I
> > must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
> >
> > I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and
> > follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
> part
> > of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am
doing
> > the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but
am
> > prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
> part
> > of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can
offer.
> >
> > Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> > Tanya
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

[Tania & Laurie]

yes, i did to.
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirsten Blacker 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:01 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National 
  Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
  
  did everyone else get this a 
  dozenttimes?
  Kirsten Blacker
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dean 
& Jo 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] National 
Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

Hello, 
 
just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean 
Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully 
from 3.30pm - 
 
Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: 

a day of emotional healing.
 
A day of emotional 
healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and 
meaningful way.
 
The day will 
incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own 
personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture.  If you are unable to 
attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to 
the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional 
Healing".  We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the 
web site : www.cares-sa.org.au
 
Each woman is also 
invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the 
flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving 
away.  Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states 
events.  Candles will be on sale on the day for a small 
cost.
 
Please keep in 
mind:
 
- the weather forecast is 
for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress 
warm!
 
- partners are welcome 
however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies 
excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite 
small and the waterfall is easily accessible for children.  CARES 
SA advise that it is not safe for young children.  It is also a time 
for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and 
could cause distress.  CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for 
children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be 
suitable.  
 
Please feel 
welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very 
special event.  We look forward to seeing you on the day!  And 
remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet 
"Expressions of Emotional Healing".
 
yours in 
birth
 
Jo, Carolyn 
and the exceptional women of the CARES SA core 
group.
 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Happy World Breastfeeding Week!

[Tania & Laurie]

Go SA!!!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  barbara 
  glare & chris bright 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Happy World 
  Breastfeeding Week!
  
  Hi,
   
  Happy World Breastfeeding Week!
   
  The slogan of this World Breastfeeding Week is 
  "Breastfeeding: The Gold Standard"
   
  On Friday August 6th the Australian Breastfeeding 
  Association and other like-minded groups will be hosting "Breastfest 
  2005"  
  In Melbourne we will kick off at 11am with a 
  Jellybugs concert.  The "count" for the World Book of Records will be at 
  12 noon.  And we'll conclude with the cutting of ABA's 40th Birthday 
  cake.
   
  You can see the details of a Breastfest near you 
  at www.breastfeeding.asn.au and 
  follow the links to register on-line (at the moment South Australia apprear to 
  have more registered than Melbourne.  Surely that can't be so 
  :)
  If you're not breastfeeding, please feel welcome 
  to attend just to lend your support!
  Barb
  Barb GlareMum of Zac, 11, Daniel 9, Cassie 6 
  and Guan 1Breastfeeding counsellor ABA Warrnambool GroupDirector, 
  Australian Breastfeeding Associatione-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.abavic.asn.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] Book title

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Andrea
Excuse me if this seems a silly question, but what is the web address to add
names to the mailing list?
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Book title


> Hi,
>
> Just to let you know that this book will not be available in Australia
> until mid September, according to Elsevier. I know that extracts of it
have
> appeared in The Practising Midwife, but it takes some months for English
> titles to be shipped here ready for sale.
>
> We will have it on our web site as soon as stock is on hand. You'll also
> notice that it is not included in the new catalogue, which those of you on
> our mailing list will receive in about 10 days. Our policy is to not
> include anything on our web site or our catalogue until we actually are
> holding a copy in our hands. We have been caught a number of times in the
> past by publishers who promise titles and then fail to deliver, leaving us
> with heaps of back orders from customers wanting the book. If it is
> available, we will have it on our list if it is not there, then it is
> probably not yet in the country.
>
> If you want to be notified personally when the book comes in, add your
name
> to our email list, via the web site, and you'll get our regular bulletins.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Mary Murphy
> >To: list
> >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:58 PM
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Book title
> >
> >Hi, I wish to buy a book called "Normal Childbirth: evidence & debate"
Ed.
> >Soo Downe.  Publisher: Churchill-Livingstone.  Has anyone read it or know
> >where I can buy it?  thanks, MM
>
>
> -
> Andrea Robertson
> Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.birthinternational.com
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth summary forms

[Tania & Laurie]

Liz
As a mid student, I have also wondered about the 
cervix closing before the placenta is birthed. With the birth of my third child 
(at home) we opted for a physiological third stage and have since done some 
research on the timing of cord clamping. It seems there is a lot of supportive 
literature for delayed cord clamping with one of the few factors against it 
being the fear of the cervix closing before birth of the placenta.
 
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Liz 
  Newnham 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth summary 
  forms
  
  Hi Jan,
  thanks so much for your 
  post. I too would love to work outside the hospital system however being a 
  recent graduate and having no-one to "apprentice" me, I lack the confidence to 
  do so. I feel my only option is to work overseas for a while (an expensive 
  option with 3 children and partner in tow). In the meantime I embrace the 
  wise-woman knowledge I encounter on this list. I have another question too. 
  The docs where I work have the fear that the cervix will close before the 
  placenta can birth. I think this is their reasoning for manual removals if 
  they are not out in the specified time frame. Is this because of the 
  syntocinon given for medically managed third stage, or is this a realistic 
  possibility also for physiological third stage? Once again, forgive my 
  ignorance.
  blessings,Liz.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jan 
Robinson 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:42 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth 
summary forms
Hi LizI'm lucky that I work outside the hospital system 
so the guidelines used are safety and the mother's wishes. While ever there 
is no bleeding I leave well enough alone. It is not good to meddle when 
conducting a physiologic third stage. Although emergency drugs are in the 
family fridge they are not used unless excessive bleeding necessitates 
it.In this particular case the woman had been vomiting towards the 
end of a very long first labour so she was exhausted after giving birth. 
After warm herbal tea for fluid replacement (and some home-made chocolate 
brownie to restore her blood sugar levels) she put her newborn son to the 
breast but after that she just wanted to close her eyes and sleep. As it 
was well past midnight, that was what I wanted as well, I tucked my 
client into her bed where she promptly fell asleep. I slept (very lightly) 
on the floor beside her. When she awoke in the early hours of the morning 
she emptied her bladder. I thought the placenta would come away then, but it 
didn't, so as the baby was still asleep, tucked in with his father, we had a 
cup of tea and went for a walk. It was some walk, along the northern end 
of Bondi Beach, climbed up Ben Buckler and walked another two blocks over 
the top of the hill. She was ready to come home then as she felt she wanted 
to empty her bowels. So we headed home and sat on the toilet again and with 
a mighty push the placenta was expelled.On reflection, there was no 
obvious oedema in the lower birth canal, so I assumed this was simply a case 
of a very fit woman, with very strong abdominal and pelvic floor muscles 
that trapped the placenta temporarily. We still look back on this 
experience and have a laugh at the memory of the neighbours (also super-fit 
early morning walkers) out on Bondi Beach congratulating my client on having 
the baby - not knowing that his placenta was still in situ as we were 
talking!I always get satisfaction when completing the Perinatal Data 
forms for the Dept of Health.Although there are not a great number of 
homebirths recorded, the long third stages that often occur at home must 
affect the state's records of the average time 
taken.CheersJanJan 
Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian 
Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 
2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 
10/07/2004, at 8:30 PM, Liz Newnham wrote:
Dear 
  Jan,what 
  did you do in the situation about the placenta? Where I work at present 
  the doctors get twitchy if a placenta hasn't birthed within an hour, let 
  alone eight (mind you - labour ward - tertiary hospital, policy of 
  CCT). Forgive my ignorance.Liz.- 
  Original Message -From: 
Jan Robinson To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:Friday, 
  July 09, 2004 6:59 AMSubject:Re: 
  [ozmidwifery] Birth summary formsHi 
  SueNot sure what birth summary forms are, but my Birth Register is 
  simply an excel spreadsheet with all the details .. name address age etc. 
  all the demographics. then time membranes ruptured (if

Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Kirsten
I'm a BMid student also and I have to agree with the others about asking
questions. Someone told me once that 'the only silly question is the one you
don't ask'. During my 21/2 years as a mid student I've referred to this
quote many, many, many times!!!

Cheers
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:59 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!


> Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday.  I must
admit, I feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of the
learning curve! :)  It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare, and
reading your responses has made me think about the care we can give in a
totally different way.  I would never have thought about the induced labour
causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have thought that avoiding drugs
would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may experience, and
being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially identify
something going wrong.  Oh so much to learn!  I am really grateful that this
group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows
questions and comments without derision!
>
> Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from the
woman who told me the story, and I didn't stop to think about how illogical
it was.  I wonder if it was just that the blood was stopped from getting to
the brain?  Or the stress of the pressure?  What would be the likely reason?
>
> Thanks again for your help.  I will definately follow up those links you
sent Abby!!  Thank you, thank you.
>
> Kirsten
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[ozmidwifery] Cord Clamping

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Everyone
My name is Tania and I am doing the 3 year Bachelor of Midwifery at Uni SA.
As a component of our research courses, I have chosen to look at the
practice of cord clamping. In particular early vs delayed clamping. In my
search of the literature I found an abundance of articles supporting delayed
clamping for both term and preterm babies for various/numerous reasons which
I won't go in to here at the moment.

I'm wondering if any midwives out there would be willing to post their views
about this issue and their reasons for practicing either early or delayed
cord clamping. I'm particularly interested in whether it is evidence based,
based on tradition or is it protocol for particular venues?

I have been able to find some studies relating to cord clamping and would be
grateful if anyone out there can point me to any further recent
articles/studies etc.

Thanks for your time
Tania


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Fw: [ozmidwifery] Possible warning??

[Tania & Laurie]

 
- Original Message - 
From: Rhonda 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Possible warning??


  
  

   
  As usual not sure if this is 
  genuine but it seems that it may be.  Can't hurt to be wary 
  anyway.
   
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  good source and thought it was worth sharing with you.  
  Beware!!Very Urgent!!!... 
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