[ozmidwifery] I need to unsubscribe for a while ..how do I do this ...colleen
Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004
Only a dozen times?your lucky *smile*I had 30. colleen Ps I am in the process of moving from Kuala Lumpur to Australia I do not wish to be removed from this list as it has been a real boost to me BUT I have to leave of while I have no internet connection for 2 months Please advise - Original Message - From: Ping Lerchbacher To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Yep. - Original Message - From: Kirsten Blacker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 did everyone else get this a dozenttimes? Kirsten Blacker - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004 Hello, just a quick reminder of the National Caesarean Awareness Day celebration that will be held this Saturday at Waterfall Gully from 3.30pm - Restoring the Birthing Woman Within: a day of emotional healing. A day of emotional healing is a time to share and express our emotions in a positive and meaningful way. The day will incorporate story telling, those who feel comfortable can share their own personal story, a poem, a prayer or picture. If you are unable to attend but still wish to share your thoughts, you may like to contribute to the booklet to be produced after the day "Expressions of Emotional Healing". We welcome all contributions and you can submit yours on the web site : www.cares-sa.org.au Each woman is also invited to bring the petals of her favourite flower(s) to scatter over the flowing water during the ceremony; symbolically cleansing and giving away. Candles will be lit around the nation to link each states events. Candles will be on sale on the day for a small cost. Please keep in mind: - the weather forecast is for rain, so please bring an umbrella or two if you have spare and dress warm! - partners are welcome however the location is NOT suitable for young children (small babies excluded) as there is no pram access, the area for the ceremony is quite smalland the waterfall is easily accessible for children. CARES SA advise that it is not safe for young children. It is also a time for adults to share emotions that some young children may not understand and could cause distress. CARES SA has always welcomed and catered for children, however we must regretfully stress that this event may not be suitable. Please feel welcome to invite others whom you may think may benefit for this very special event. We look forward to seeing you on the day! And remember if you can not make it, you can still contribute to the booklet "Expressions of Emotional Healing". yours in birth Jo, Carolyn and the exceptional women of the CARES SAcore group.
[ozmidwifery] Re:Has anyone seen an intelligent cow?
I couldnt feed my 2nd child on day 10 and was offered formula or diluted cows milk.I remember saying to the doctor that since I was going to damage the child in the long run I might as well get it over and done with now and euthinase her to say he was shocked and all were appalled is not an understatement but these tactics helped and I was given Eglonyl and fed 2 babies for 2 years each with a boost on this psychiatric drug .Today I have highly intelligent children who have represented their country in Sport,Chess and Literatur and never having had antibiotics to date. More than I can say for myself while I sat at home itching and scratching due to exfoliating Dermatitis having not been breastfeed!.cause my mother was convinced by the findings of Nestle'in 1957 that formula fed babies appeared healthier at 6 weeks than breast feed babies .Its a pity she didnt wait for the follow up of that experiment 11years later where it was found that the breast fed babies where also 14% more intelligent (anyone remeber that British experiment?) PS I have never known a days depression in my life thanks be to God but I am eternally grateful to Eglonyl. And the Laliesh girl who made me wise up to it. Colleen - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches Hear! hear! Denise- I have been quietly watching this discussion and I must say I am appalled that anyone who is complacent about formula promotion and can justify such practices is working with mothers and babies -I often marvel that there are two things that have helped perpetuate the human race - the ability to reproduce and the ability to feed our young - I have never heard anybody say, Sex was too difficult , so I gave up trying. I know there is a plethora of factors behind women giving up breastfeeding, but lets not deliberately add - misinformation from health professionals or compliance with infant formula marketing by health professionals to this. To create a breastfeeding culture it is the responsibility of childbirth educators, midwives, doulas and MCH nurses etc to treat breastfeeding as the optimum method of infant not simply a lifestyle option', by educating themselves about breastfeeding management and as Denise suggests -the politics of breastfeeding (both books recommended are excellent) - Formula is far from life-saving' -it poses risks to health both during infancy and later in life and I for one have no problems discussing the risks of formula/ artificial feeding (as opposed to the benefits of breastfeeding - in all other health comparisons use a biologiocal, not a cultural norm ) when I speak to parents - and I do have bottle feeding mums in my infant massage and parenting classes - they inevitably feel ripped off by health professionals who implied that their babies would be fine on formula and feel validated when I listen to them as they express their grief at not breastfeeding. Just like a traumatic birth experience, this takes time to work through but perhaps could be avoided if these women had been supported in a breastfeeding culture initially. P.S. I wet nursed a friend's adopted baby - she is now 20 Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches Dear Jackie I suspect as the research behind BFHI shows that the difficulties most women in our culture have with breastfeeding (as with birthing) are a reflection of inappropriate management. Less than 1% of women are physiologically incapable of producing sufficient milk for their babies. Meanwhile there are other options For example many women even in our culture (quietly) wet nurse which I would have loved meanwhlie the Swedes pay women for supplying milk for babies in nurseries!! so I dispute that any baby needs formula some informative reading regarding this debate can be found in Gabrielle Palmer's Politics of breastfeeding. Denise Hynd Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have. Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches This I understand believe me. I have sister who has had unbelieveable difficulty breastfeeding her first boy and then twins. She has had to formula feed them all in the end. Of course some women need formula (until milkbanking is a reality) but which one they pick can be easily decided by what the hospital, midwife, doctor etc seems to be advocating. It is this free advertising that I object to. The guidelines for human milk substitues in Australia
Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f
Hi, Eglonyl is an anti psycotic drug and its overall side effect was found to be psycotic patients complaning of lactatingCrazzzy I can imagine that most male patients were somewhat 'disturbed' by this event and with my sick sence of humor am sitting giggling as I write this as I am sure there was pandemonium in the Rooster house when the roosters started clukking.(i hope this doesnt offend anyone but I can only imagine and who would believe the poor chaps ?.)Any way the dose given for lactating purposes is way below the amount reguired to treat psychoses So I have pretty much stayed the same *grin* without the added distress of not being able to feed.No in all seriousness I was given 1tds and by day 2 needed to register myself as a dairy I had so much milk I was able and did express for several prems for weeks after. I have used this eglonyl successfully in promotion of milk production in woman adopting and wishing to breast feed for superior bonding purposes never mind just the health benefits and in other mamals for eg the sister and grandmother cheetah when mother cheetah has rejected her cubs. Here in Kuala Lumpur I was blessed to introduce a woman with a 6month old who had excema and a raging IGe to eglonyl and she decided to re introduce baby to breast . I feed on eglonyl 1tds for 3 months then my milk was truly well established so much so that my 5 year old still snuck a sip at night and I must add I pain for the children and motherswho do not have this priveledge esp in the face of allergic diseases . I am also fearful when I think that in a few months I shall be working in Paeds and Maternity in Aus andbeing so passionate for the children's sake that I fear having to walk the tight rope between Professional/Political correctness.In South Africa Promotion of breastfeeding is incorporated in the nursing act as the role of the nurse and midwife and we are obligated to fulfill this requirement...is this the case in Australia? I hope I have encouraged you to do further investigation into Eglonyl.This medication is not available in Malaysia and the mother gets it from Singapore via her doctor who was surprised to find out about this (as you know most doctors know everything Op's) In most cases where there is a will there is mostly a way colleen PS My mother had retained placenta.couldnt feed. I had retained placenta never thought there might be a connection!!! - Original Message - From: Deliverywoman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f Colleen, May I please ask how the 'Eglonyl' helped, how long you remained on this medication and what side effects if any that you experienced. As I have previous difficulties as some have been previously described, I have been given maxalon for one of them to no avail. It was also suggested for me to use motilium but did not get to that point. I also have a question for you wonderful wise women. With someinformation and background first. With babe No. 4, throughout the pregnancy as with any pregnancy being different, this one was as well and more noiticable was the different way in which my breasts responded to the pregnancy. I felt confident and secure that finally this time I would be successful in breastfeeding my babe. But alas, it again was not to be. I have a theory and would love some feedback. With this babe, I was prescribed the maxalon at a higher than normal dose for lactation assistance (4 q.i.d) - or so I was 'told'. Babe started experiencing extremely low blood sugar levels and despite my refusal, they supplemented him with would you believe 50MLS EVERY THREE HOURS, when gastric tube placed in gut for the next feed, there was formula coming back up, HE WASN'T HUNGRY, but I know that 50mls is certainly excessive. The question relates to the fact that post birth I felt extremely boggy in the uterus and felt as if I had retained products. I even passed what I still to this day KNOW was placental tissue (as a student midwife, you certainly see a lot of clots etc. on pads post-partum...) I kept it and a 'midwife' looked at it, flushed it and said 'no that is nothing, just a blood clot'. The one thing I did NOT experience with this breastfeeding experience was that of my milk 'coming in'. For 6 weeks I argued with MCHN and doctor that I had retained products and that I still had not experienced my milk coming in and was 'ignored'. Three months later with babe on formula, me still spotting bright PV loss, I saw my gyno whom performed a D C and lo and behold - PATH RESULT - RETAINED PRODUCTS OF CONCEPTION. (No way this could have been a 'miscarriage' or 'blighted ovum') as no sexual intercourse had occurred
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
I have to add my little bit in here as well, As a South African trained Midwife and Nurse Practitioner I understand the need for proffessionalism and agree to it BUT somewhere ,somehow WE in RSA / the World,seemed to have fogotten that nursing is and should be a calling that it starts with having the heart of a servant (foot and bottom washers)where the patient / client / person in need of guidance and care comes first .We lost the passion when 1 we started stiking for pay incremants( I didnt strike but I know I'm happy with the pay increments*sigh*)and 2 we became to proffessional to 'Get down to it' (1977 thereabouts).What was really strangewas how we as Nurse Practitionershave been treated by the rest of the Medical Proffession,A threat !!Nurses supposedlynot clever enough todo Medicine now wanting to do the doctors work,never mind that we spend more time with the one needing help,much more and we get to diagnose whole syndroms more often as a result AND we work wherefew others more qualified will because the pay is less!!!.and we are not simply allowed to bury our mistakes as has been the practise in many countries. Well I dont mean to step on toes and Im in no way trying to be confrontational.Ihave an 18 year old rugby playing son who has to date never had an antibiotic and I have successfully helped people(Documented proof ) off type2 Diabetic and Hypertensive medication,treated Pneumonia succesfully using only Ascorbic acid and Ventolinand a host of other threatening stuff only because I took the time. I am currently re registering for Midwifery in Australiaand the Doula, a concept foreign and new to me,from what I read, is the person I hope to become like and will look forward to working with. Thanks for all the informative stuff I read on your e-mail site Not threatened,Idealistic and at peace with striving for less of me and more for my pasient Colleen - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi, Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as doulas and midwives, are we not all there to support a woman, It should be about her, not who is a threat to who. When it becomes about our positions, it stops being about the woman and her journey. Just my 2cents. I have read some very negative articles about doulas and it shows me, that the person writing is more concerned about positions than the birthing women. Love Abby
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [Pregnancy_BirthandBeyond] Trans verse position
If I remember correctly this position can be corrected manualy prior to labour?or 2 weeks before???I remember being taught this back in the early 80's so Im a bit vague..Id love to hear what advise you where given with this colleen - Original Message - From: Troy Maree Matheson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: [Pregnancy_BirthandBeyond] Trans verse position I am 35 weeks pregnant with my second baby, i went to the doctors for my check up and i was told that my baby is in a Trans verse position. They told me it is similar to a breech but with this Trans verse position if i go into labour the umbilical cord would come out first and they would have 3 minutes to give me a Caesarean. I see the doctor this Thursday, They said if the baby isn't in the right position i will have to go to hospital to wait until i go into labour naturally which could be anywhere from now to 6 weeks. I've been trying to find some info on the Trans verse position but with no luck. Can someone help me find the information please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pregnancy_BirthandBeyond/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Thank you for your welcome and the link I appreciate it all Colleen - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hi Colleen I noticed that there haven't been any replies to you so I thought I'd say hi. I'm not a midwife but I can recommend www.maternitywise.org don't know if it will have enough detail for you, can anyone else suggest good websites? Hope you get some replies Honey Birth Buddies Townsville - Original Message - From: Van Onselen Family To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodday to you all. I was given this e-mail by someone at King Edward Memorial Hospital because I would like to get in touch with midwivesin Australia.I see you girls are very busy and have a seemingly lovely internet relationship. I am registered as a midwife in South Africa (1981)but am hoping to do the re registration course in October in Perth at the KEMH as I havnt had a delivery since 1996 and that was a home delivery which pretty much got on without me *smile*.I just couldn bare to read your mail without introducing myself as I felt like an eaves dropper hence this note to say Hi. While Im about this I wonder if any of you know a really informative website as I do not have all the books I require for self study as I am currently living in Malaysia and many of my physiology books are in storage in the RSA...I hope to meet some of you at some time..Ive been told babies arrive differently in AUS.and Im dying to see these pouches everyone tells me about.. * Grin* Colleen van Onselen acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] acceptance of homebirth article Hi everyone and thanks again to all who assisted with my article on homebirth. The editor at Wellbeing liked it and is publishing it. The bad new is not until next year in May - for their baby special - so I may have to review the facts etc. Oh well like they say 'better late ' cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kylie Carberry Searching for that dream home? Click here for all your property needs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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oh thank you very much Colleen - Original Message - From: leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hi Colleen, Also on www.maternitywise.org/guide/index.html you will find the full text of A Guide to Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth by Enkin et al. It's recognised as the current best evidence based midwifery text. All the best, Leane. From: Van Onselen Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:06:00 +0800 Thank you for your welcome and the link I appreciate it all Colleen - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hi Colleen I noticed that there haven't been any replies to you so I thought I'd say hi. I'm not a midwife but I can recommend www.maternitywise.org don't know if it will have enough detail for you, can anyone else suggest good websites? Hope you get some replies Honey Birth Buddies Townsville - Original Message - From: Van Onselen Family To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodday to you all. I was given this e-mail by someone at King Edward Memorial Hospital because I would like to get in touch with midwives in Australia.I see you girls are very busy and have a seemingly lovely internet relationship. I am registered as a midwife in South Africa (1981)but am hoping to do the re registration course in October in Perth at the KEMH as I havnt had a delivery since 1996 and that was a home delivery which pretty much got on without me *smile*.I just couldn bare to read your mail without introducing myself as I felt like an eaves dropper hence this note to say Hi. While Im about this I wonder if any of you know a really informative web site as I do not have all the books I require for self study as I am currently living in Malaysia and many of my physiology books are in storage in the RSA...I hope to meet some of you at some time..Ive been told babies arrive differently in AUS.and Im dying to see these pouches everyone tells me about.. * Grin* Colleen van Onselen acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] acceptance of homebirth article Hi everyone and thanks again to all who assisted with my article on homebirth. The editor at Wellbeing liked it and is publishing it. The bad new is not until next year in May - for their baby special - so I may have to review the facts etc. Oh well like they say 'better late ' cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kylie Carberry -- Searching for that dream home? Click here for all your property needs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Leanne Wynne Midwife in charge of Women's Business Mildura Aboriginal Health Service Mob 0418 371862 _ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Goodday to you all. I was given this e-mail by someone at King Edward Memorial Hospital because I would like to get in touch with midwivesin Australia.I see you girls are very busy and have a seemingly lovely internet relationship. I am registered as a midwife in South Africa (1981)but am hoping to do the re registration course in October in Perth at the KEMH as I havnt had a delivery since 1996 and that was a home delivery which pretty much got on without me *smile*.I just couldn bare to read your mail without introducing myself as I felt like an eaves dropper hence this note to say Hi. While Im about this I wonder if any of you know a really informative website as I do not have all the books I require for self study as I am currently living in Malaysia and many of my physiology books are in storage in the RSA...I hope to meet some of you at some time..Ive been told babies arrive differently in AUS.and Im dying to see these pouches everyone tells me about.. * Grin* Colleen van Onselen acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] acceptance of homebirth article Hi everyone and thanks again to all who assisted with my article on homebirth. The editor at Wellbeing liked it and is publishing it. The bad new is not until next year in May - for their baby special - so I may have to review the facts etc. Oh well like they say 'better late ' cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kylie Carberry Searching for that dream home? Click here for all your property needs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
