I couldnt feed my 2nd child on day 10 and was offered formula or diluted cows milk.I remember saying to the doctor that since I was going to damage the child in the long run I might as well get it over and done with now and "euthinase her" to say he was shocked and all were appalled is not an understatement but these tactics helped and I was given Eglonyl and fed 2 babies for 2 years each with a boost on this psychiatric drug .Today I have highly intelligent children who have represented their country in Sport,Chess and Literatur and never having had antibiotics to date. More than I can say for myself while I sat at home itching and scratching due to exfoliating Dermatitis .... having not been breastfeed!!!!!.cause my mother was convinced by the findings of Nestle'in 1957 that formula fed babies appeared healthier at 6 weeks than breast feed babies .Its a pity she didnt wait for the follow up of that experiment 11years later where it was found that the breast fed babies where also 14% more intelligent (anyone remeber that British experiment?) PS I have never known a days depression in my life thanks be to God but I am eternally grateful to Eglonyl. And the Laliesh girl who made me wise up to it.
Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "formula lunches" > Hear! hear! Denise- I have been quietly watching this discussion and I must > say I am appalled that anyone who is complacent about formula promotion and > can justify such practices is working with mothers and babies -I often > marvel that there are two things that have helped perpetuate the human > race - the ability to reproduce and the ability to feed our young - I have > never heard anybody say, "Sex was too difficult , so I gave up trying." > > I know there is a plethora of factors behind women giving up breastfeeding, > but lets not deliberately add - "misinformation from health professionals" > or "compliance with infant formula marketing by health professionals" to > this. To create a breastfeeding culture it is the responsibility of > childbirth educators, midwives, doulas and MCH nurses etc to treat > breastfeeding as the optimum method of infant not simply a "lifestyle > option', by educating themselves about breastfeeding management and as > Denise suggests -the politics of breastfeeding (both books recommended are > excellent) - > > Formula is far from "life-saving' -it poses risks to health both during > infancy and later in life and I for one have no problems discussing the > "risks" of formula/ artificial feeding (as opposed to the "benefits of > breastfeeding" - in all other health comparisons use a biologiocal, not a > cultural norm ) when I speak to parents - and I do have bottle feeding mums > in my infant massage and parenting classes - they inevitably feel "ripped > off" by health professionals who implied that their babies would be "fine" > on formula and feel validated when I listen to them as they express their > "grief" at not breastfeeding. Just like a traumatic birth experience, this > takes time to work through but perhaps could be avoided if these women had > been supported in a breastfeeding culture initially. > > P.S. I wet nursed a friend's adopted baby - she is now 20 > > Pinky > www.pinky-mychild.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "formula lunches" > > > > Dear Jackie > > I suspect as the research behind BFHI shows that the difficulties most > > women > > in our culture have with breastfeeding (as with birthing) are a reflection > > of inappropriate management. > > Less than 1% of women are physiologically incapable of producing > > sufficient > > milk for their babies. > > Meanwhile there are other options > > For example many women even in our culture (quietly) wet nurse which I > > would > > have loved meanwhlie the Swedes pay women for supplying milk for babies in > > nurseries!! > > > > so I dispute that any baby "needs" formula > > > > some informative reading regarding this debate can be found in Gabrielle > > Palmer's Politics of breastfeeding. > > Denise Hynd > > > > "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, > > indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." > > Margaret Mead > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jackie Kitschke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "formula lunches" > > > > > >> This I understand believe me. I have sister who has had unbelieveable > >> difficulty breastfeeding her first boy and then twins. She has had to > >> formula feed them all in the end. Of course some women need formula > >> (until > >> milkbanking is a reality) but which one they pick can be easily decided > >> by > >> what the hospital, midwife, doctor etc seems to be advocating. It is this > >> free advertising that I object to. The guidelines for human milk > > substitues > >> in Australia are so narrow that one is as good as the other and I feel > >> the > >> parent should be able to decided which one based on their own decisions > > not > >> by which one I am inadvertantly sponsoring. > >> Jackie > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Fiona Rumble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:13 PM > >> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "formula lunches" > >> > >> > >> > Hi all, On the formula front, let us remember that until human milk > >> banking > >> > becomes universally available to every baby who needs to be fed by some > >> > means other than the way God intended, many babies' lives are saved by > >> > formula. Obviously we all will want that formula to be the very best > >> > available, that (while it can never replicate breastmilk) is made > >> according > >> > to the latest research and best practice available. Who do we think > >> > will > >> > continue to research and improve these formulas if there is no > >> > financial > >> > gain? A real two-edged sword!!! I do not support the strategies of > >> companies > >> > such as Nestle' but just want to remind others that we may be "cutting > > off > >> > our noses to spite our faces" so to speak. Also I believe we are here > >> > to > >> > support women in their choices, and as much as they might differ from > > our > >> > own idealistic views, the babies of these mothers (misguided though > >> > they > >> may > >> > be) also deserve the best available, and as the babies cannot voice > > their > >> > choice (which I'm sure would be for breastmilk delivered in warm and > >> > comforting packaging) it is our duty of care to see that the formula > > they > >> > are fed is the very best substitute. Food for thought!? > >> > with love Fiona (grad/dip CE student). > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > >> > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
