Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Andrea Robertson]

The evidence is clear that the person with the greatest influence on birth 
outcome is the care giver in charge at the time - it is their attitudes, 
practises, philosophy, habits and routines that will shape the birth 
experience, regardless of what the woman may say or want.


Given this fact, the single most important decision that a woman makes in 
her pregnancy, in terms of getting the kind of birth she wants, is the 
choice of care giver.


Most prenatal classes start towards the end of pregnancy (there is no 
evidence that this is the "best time" - this scheduling is just another 
"habit") and if childbirth education programs were available to all women 
in the early part of their pregnancy, the issue of choice of care giver 
could be aired and options discussed. At that time, the difference between 
the various models of care could be highlighted, in plenty of time for 
parents to decide what they want and to shop around.


The potential of early pregnancy programs has never been fully exploited, 
yet it would be a great way of promoting midwifery and enlightening parents 
about the health care system. To ensure good attendance, it is important 
not to provide the program as an "extra" that is optional, but the allocate 
the dates within the regular program. Parents can be told when they book 
into hospital that their first class will be very soon and that later 
classes will follow.


Something for all educators to think about?

Regards,

Andrea



At 03:47 PM 29/05/2005, you wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with Nicole's post. It is very hard to give a 
balanced view when one knows that we are working within an obstetric model 
and the intervention rates that come with it.
We try hard to instill the ideal of natural birth but are aware of the 
risk of setting the women up for feelings of failure if we emphasise this 
and ignore the 'other' stuff.
Even women who are booked for elective C/S come to classes and we have a 
duty to inform them too.
Also inherent is the time factor - how much can you reasonably get across 
within the time allocated to classes.

Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing"

Edmund Burke
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Nicole Carver
To: <mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

Hi All,

I have worked as a child birth educator in a hospital which has fairly 
comparable intervention rates  to other public hospitals in Victoria. 
However, to me we have a lot of unnecessary intervention, particularly 
induction of labour, and the cascade of intervention that then sometimes 
occurs.


The quandary for a CBE in this environment is: do you educate for the 
ideal, or the reality of the environment that the women will birth in? If 
you tell them the reality, you would sit them in a circle of ten women and 
say only four of you are going to have a birth without intervention. What 
do you want to know to help you cope with a birth with intervention? Or do 
you teach them all natural, and know that many of them are going to be 
devastated by the reality of the actual birth that happens? Their partners 
too. It's a tough one. I struggled with it, because I also worked in the 
system. The women who advocate for themselves, or the midwives who do so, 
have to be very strong. Ultimately the power rests with the obstetricians. 
There are no alternative employers of midwives in my town. When teaching 
CBE classes I compromised, and taught about both. And ensured that the 
realities of the different interventions were discussed, so that women did 
not think that C/S is comparable to vaginal birth and so on.


I can imagine a CBE working in the private system would be faced with even 
higher intervention rates. The other problem is having obstetricians 
coming after you for teaching THEIR women about things they would prefer 
they did not know.


I think changes need to occur across the whole system, starting with 
midwife led care. It would be great if midwives could do the education for 
the women for whom they would be providing birthing care. The intervention 
rates would plummet, and education about intervention in birth could be 
made optional, and therefore available for those who want to know 
absolutely everything, or for those for whom intervention may be more 
likely.Otherwise a midwife could set the scene for the ways she has learnt 
to practice in birthing to maximise women's chance of a positive  and 
optimal birth experience.


I do think child birth education today is a reflection of our system. I 
also think CBE's try very hard to do their best for women and their 
support people. They are stuck in the middle of a far from ideal situation.


Nicole Carver.

[Nicole Carver]  -Original Message-
From: [

Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Denise Hynd]

 Dear Sue and others 
Another way to deal with the conflicts is to give 
the women information about other consumer groups or resources where they can 
find access to other information or options.
 
 
Being in Perth you can let them know about the 
Resource centres of Community Midwifery WA which are staffed by midwives 
and have wealth of different resources the women can choose 
Denise Hynd
 
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, 
our bodies will be handled."
 
— Linda Hes

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Susan 
  Cudlipp 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
  Education classes
  
  I agree wholeheartedly with Nicole's post. It is 
  very hard to give a balanced view when one knows that we are working within an 
  obstetric model and the intervention rates that come with it.
  We try hard to instill the ideal of natural birth 
  but are aware of the risk of setting the women up for feelings of 
  failure if we emphasise this and ignore the 'other' stuff.
  Even women who are booked for elective C/S come 
  to classes and we have a duty to inform them too.
  Also inherent is the time factor - how much can 
  you reasonably get across within the time allocated to classes.
  Sue 
  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
  nothing"Edmund Burke
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Nicole Carver 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:08 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
Education classes

Hi 
All,
 
I 
have worked as a child birth educator in a hospital which has 
fairly comparable intervention rates  to other public hospitals in 
Victoria. However, to me we have a lot of unnecessary intervention, 
particularly induction of labour, and the cascade of intervention that then 
sometimes occurs. 
 
The quandary for a CBE in this environment is: do you educate for the 
ideal, or the reality of the environment that the women will birth in? If 
you tell them the reality, you would sit them in a circle of ten women and 
say only four of you are going to have a birth without intervention. What do 
you want to know to help you cope with a birth with intervention? Or do you 
teach them all natural, and know that many of them are going to be 
devastated by the reality of the actual birth that happens? Their partners 
too. It's a tough one. I struggled with it, because I also worked in the 
system. The women who advocate for themselves, or the midwives who do so, 
have to be very strong. Ultimately the power rests with the obstetricians. 
There are no alternative employers of midwives in my town. When teaching CBE 
classes I compromised, and taught about both. And ensured that the realities 
of the different interventions were discussed, so that women did not think 
that C/S is comparable to vaginal birth and so on.
 
I 
can imagine a CBE working in the private system would be faced with even 
higher intervention rates. The other problem is having obstetricians coming 
after you for teaching THEIR women about things they would prefer they did 
not know.
 
I think changes need to occur across the whole system, 
starting with midwife led care. It would be great if midwives could do the 
education for the women for whom they would be providing birthing care. The 
intervention rates would plummet, and education about intervention in birth 
could be made optional, and therefore available for those who want to 
know absolutely everything, or for those for whom intervention may be more 
likely.Otherwise a midwife could set the scene for the ways she has learnt 
to practice in birthing to maximise women's chance of a positive  and 
optimal birth experience.
 
I do think child birth education today is a reflection 
of our system. I also think CBE's try very hard to do their best for women 
and their support people. They are stuck in the middle of a far from ideal 
situation.
 
Nicole Carver.
[Nicole Carver]  -Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dean & 
JoSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 
Childbirth Education classes

  
  I feel there 
  needs to be legislation to bring cbe OUT of the 
  institutions to the community.  
  In SA we are so proud of our state 
  wide Perinatal guidelines, there is probable 
  cause to push the need for education to be statewide also.  We need the government to push 
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Jo Bourne]

i can really see what a difficult position it must be to teach child birth 
classes in an Australian hospital but I still felt there were huge problems 
with the classes we did at the hosptial we attended 3 years (which we chose for 
their low intervention rates, and where we had a WONDERFUL experience). I 
started getting some really sour looks by the end for constantly contradicting 
the teacher's "You WILL do this..." "This MUST happen.." with "Well you don't 
actually, we have already discussed this with our midwife and there is no 
problem at all with doing X instead".

We would have had a lot more patience for the classes had the instructor said 
"At this hospital we recommend that everyone have an actively managed third 
stage, which means we do x x x. We recommend this because x x x x." Instead she 
said something like "And then the midwife will give you the syntocin injection" 
no explanation of what it was, or why it was being done, and in language that 
would prevent most people from even thinking there might be an alternative.

I don't think that it is helpful to ignore the realities of the environment 
that women are going to birth in but it would be nice if more hospital CBEs 
actually presented information from which choices could be made rather than 
instructed couples in how to follow hospital policy.

cheers
Jo


At 1:47 PM +0800 29/5/05, Susan Cudlipp wrote:
>I agree wholeheartedly with Nicole's post. It is very hard to give a balanced 
>view when one knows that we are working within an obstetric model and the 
>intervention rates that come with it.
>We try hard to instill the ideal of natural birth but are aware of the risk of 
>setting the women up for feelings of failure if we emphasise this and ignore 
>the 'other' stuff.
>Even women who are booked for elective C/S come to classes and we have a duty 
>to inform them too.
>Also inherent is the time factor - how much can you reasonably get across 
>within the time allocated to classes.
>Sue
>"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
>nothing"
>Edmund Burke
>
>- Original Message -
>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Nicole Carver
>To: <mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:08 PM
>Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes
>
>Hi All,
> 
>I have worked as a child birth educator in a hospital which has 
>fairly comparable intervention rates  to other public hospitals in Victoria. 
>However, to me we have a lot of unnecessary intervention, particularly 
>induction of labour, and the cascade of intervention that then sometimes 
>occurs.
> 
>The quandary for a CBE in this environment is: do you educate for the ideal, 
>or the reality of the environment that the women will birth in? If you tell 
>them the reality, you would sit them in a circle of ten women and say only 
>four of you are going to have a birth without intervention. What do you want 
>to know to help you cope with a birth with intervention? Or do you teach them 
>all natural, and know that many of them are going to be devastated by the 
>reality of the actual birth that happens? Their partners too. It's a tough 
>one. I struggled with it, because I also worked in the system. The women who 
>advocate for themselves, or the midwives who do so, have to be very strong. 
>Ultimately the power rests with the obstetricians. There are no alternative 
>employers of midwives in my town. When teaching CBE classes I compromised, and 
>taught about both. And ensured that the realities of the different 
>interventions were discussed, so that women did not think that C/S is 
>comparable !
 to vaginal birth and so on.
> 
>I can imagine a CBE working in the private system would be faced with even 
>higher intervention rates. The other problem is having obstetricians coming 
>after you for teaching THEIR women about things they would prefer they did not 
>know.
> 
>I think changes need to occur across the whole system, starting with midwife 
>led care. It would be great if midwives could do the education for the women 
>for whom they would be providing birthing care. The intervention rates would 
>plummet, and education about intervention in birth could be made optional, and 
>therefore available for those who want to know absolutely everything, or for 
>those for whom intervention may be more likely.Otherwise a midwife could set 
>the scene for the ways she has learnt to practice in birthing to maximise 
>women's chance of a positive  and optimal birth experience.
> 
>I do think child birth education today is a reflection of our system. I also 
>think CBE's try very hard to do t

Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Susan Cudlipp]

I agree wholeheartedly with Nicole's post. It is 
very hard to give a balanced view when one knows that we are working within an 
obstetric model and the intervention rates that come with it.
We try hard to instill the ideal of natural birth 
but are aware of the risk of setting the women up for feelings of 
failure if we emphasise this and ignore the 'other' stuff.
Even women who are booked for elective C/S come to 
classes and we have a duty to inform them too.
Also inherent is the time factor - how much can you 
reasonably get across within the time allocated to classes.
Sue 
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing"Edmund Burke

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nicole 
  Carver 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:08 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
  Education classes
  
  Hi 
  All,
   
  I 
  have worked as a child birth educator in a hospital which has 
  fairly comparable intervention rates  to other public hospitals in 
  Victoria. However, to me we have a lot of unnecessary intervention, 
  particularly induction of labour, and the cascade of intervention that then 
  sometimes occurs. 
   
  The 
  quandary for a CBE in this environment is: do you educate for the ideal, or 
  the reality of the environment that the women will birth in? If you tell them 
  the reality, you would sit them in a circle of ten women and say only four of 
  you are going to have a birth without intervention. What do you want to know 
  to help you cope with a birth with intervention? Or do you teach them all 
  natural, and know that many of them are going to be devastated by the reality 
  of the actual birth that happens? Their partners too. It's a tough one. I 
  struggled with it, because I also worked in the system. The women who advocate 
  for themselves, or the midwives who do so, have to be very strong. Ultimately 
  the power rests with the obstetricians. There are no alternative employers of 
  midwives in my town. When teaching CBE classes I compromised, and taught about 
  both. And ensured that the realities of the different interventions were 
  discussed, so that women did not think that C/S is comparable to vaginal birth 
  and so on.
   
  I 
  can imagine a CBE working in the private system would be faced with even 
  higher intervention rates. The other problem is having obstetricians coming 
  after you for teaching THEIR women about things they would prefer they did not 
  know.
   
  I think changes need to occur across the whole system, 
  starting with midwife led care. It would be great if midwives could do the 
  education for the women for whom they would be providing birthing care. The 
  intervention rates would plummet, and education about intervention in birth 
  could be made optional, and therefore available for those who want to 
  know absolutely everything, or for those for whom intervention may be more 
  likely.Otherwise a midwife could set the scene for the ways she has learnt to 
  practice in birthing to maximise women's chance of a positive  and 
  optimal birth experience.
   
  I do think child birth education today is a reflection of 
  our system. I also think CBE's try very hard to do their best for women and 
  their support people. They are stuck in the middle of a far from ideal 
  situation.
   
  Nicole Carver.
  [Nicole Carver]  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dean & 
  JoSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
  Education classes
  

I feel there needs 
to be legislation to bring cbe OUT of the 
institutions to the community.  
In SA we are so proud of our state wide 
Perinatal guidelines, there is probable cause to 
push the need for education to be statewide also.  We need the government to push safe 
and happy birthing by promoting education that impacts these things.  And then the little piggies can fly
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane GardnerSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:57 
PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
Education classes
 

Wow am I steamed! I've just had 
a woman ring me in an absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run 
by St Vincents Private just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She 
said she had been so excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until 
she attended the classes. She said they fed in negative, pain, 
complications and drugs!

 

What is going on here? We wonder 
why women go into labour in a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just 
what sort of programming are these classes installing into women 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Nicole Carver]

Hi 
All,
 
I have 
worked as a child birth educator in a hospital which has fairly comparable 
intervention rates  to other public hospitals in Victoria. However, to me 
we have a lot of unnecessary intervention, particularly induction of labour, and 
the cascade of intervention that then sometimes occurs. 
 
The 
quandary for a CBE in this environment is: do you educate for the ideal, or the 
reality of the environment that the women will birth in? If you tell them the 
reality, you would sit them in a circle of ten women and say only four of you 
are going to have a birth without intervention. What do you want to know to help 
you cope with a birth with intervention? Or do you teach them all natural, and 
know that many of them are going to be devastated by the reality of the actual 
birth that happens? Their partners too. It's a tough one. I struggled with it, 
because I also worked in the system. The women who advocate for themselves, or 
the midwives who do so, have to be very strong. Ultimately the power rests with 
the obstetricians. There are no alternative employers of midwives in my town. 
When teaching CBE classes I compromised, and taught about both. And ensured that 
the realities of the different interventions were discussed, so that women did 
not think that C/S is comparable to vaginal birth and so on.
 
I can 
imagine a CBE working in the private system would be faced with even higher 
intervention rates. The other problem is having obstetricians coming after you 
for teaching THEIR women about things they would prefer they did not 
know.
 
I think changes need to occur across the whole system, 
starting with midwife led care. It would be great if midwives could do the 
education for the women for whom they would be providing birthing care. The 
intervention rates would plummet, and education about intervention in birth 
could be made optional, and therefore available for those who want to know 
absolutely everything, or for those for whom intervention may be more 
likely.Otherwise a midwife could set the scene for the ways she has learnt to 
practice in birthing to maximise women's chance of a positive  and optimal 
birth experience.
 
I do think child birth education today is a reflection of 
our system. I also think CBE's try very hard to do their best for women and 
their support people. They are stuck in the middle of a far from ideal 
situation.
 
Nicole Carver.
[Nicole Carver]  -Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dean & 
JoSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
Education classes

  
  I feel there needs to 
  be legislation to bring cbe OUT of the institutions 
  to the community.  In SA we are 
  so proud of our state wide Perinatal guidelines, there is probable cause to push the 
  need for education to be statewide also.  
  We need the government to push safe and happy birthing by promoting 
  education that impacts these things.  
  And then the little piggies can 
  fly
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane GardnerSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:57 
  PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
  Education classes
   
  
  Wow am I steamed! I've just had a 
  woman ring me in an absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run by St 
  Vincents Private just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She said she 
  had been so excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until she 
  attended the classes. She said they fed in negative, pain, 
  complications and drugs!
  
   
  
  What is going on here? We wonder 
  why women go into labour in a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just 
  what sort of programming are these classes installing into women 
  and taking away their ability to trust their bodies for birth. How long 
  do we have to put up with this and how much worse is it going to get before 
  the hospital Boards GET it or is the money rewards for doing all this 
  more important than birth.
  
   
  
  Sorry to vent here SO loudly but 
  I'm getting so fed up with this same old story. Where does one have to start 
  to have these classes brought back to the real world and some 
  sensible and simple tools for birth!  
  Sheesh
  
   
  
  Breathing and counting to 
  10...20.30 grrr 
  ahhh!!!
  
   
  
  Diane
  
   
  
   
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Diane Gardner]

Thanks Julie I will suggest that to her tomorrow 
when I see her.
 
regards
diane

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Clarke 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:32 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
  Education classes
  
  
  Hi 
  Diane
  I would recommend you 
  encourage the woman to write a detailed letter of feedback to the hospital 
  general manager cc to the health education 
  department.
  You might like to 
  offer to provide her with assistance to write the 
  letter.
  Without feedback 
  there will be no improvements. It has to come from the 
  consumers.
  Warm 
  hug
  Julie
   
  
  Julie Clarke 
  CBE
  Independent 
  Childbirth and Parenting Educator
  HypnoBirthing (R) 
  Practitioner
  ACE Grad Dip 
  Supervisor
  NACE Advanced 
  Educator and Trainer
  NACE National 
  Journal Editor
  Transition into 
  Parenthood Sessions
  9 Withybrook 
  Place
  Sylvania NSW 
  2224
  Telephone  
  9544 6441
  Mobile: 0401 2655 
  30
  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  visit Julie's 
  website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane GardnerSent: Friday, 27 May 2005 2:27 
  PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth 
  Education classes
   
  
  Wow am I steamed! I've just had a 
  woman ring me in an absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run by St 
  Vincents Private just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She said she 
  had been so excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until she 
  attended the classes. She said they fed in negative, pain, 
  complications and drugs!
  
   
  
  What is going on here? We wonder 
  why women go into labour in a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just 
  what sort of programming are these classes installing into women 
  and taking away their ability to trust their bodies for birth. How long 
  do we have to put up with this and how much worse is it going to get before 
  the hospital Boards GET it or is the money rewards for doing all this 
  more important than birth.
  
   
  
  Sorry to vent here SO loudly but 
  I'm getting so fed up with this same old story. Where does one have to start 
  to have these classes brought back to the real world and some 
  sensible and simple tools for birth!  
  Sheesh
  
   
  
  Breathing and counting to 
  10...20.30 grrr 
  ahhh!!!
  
   
  
  Diane
  
   
  
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Dean & Jo]

I feel there needs to be legislation to
bring cbe OUT of the institutions to the community.  In SA we are so
proud of our state wide Perinatal guidelines, there is
probable cause to push the need for education to be statewide also.  We need the government to push safe and happy
birthing by promoting education that impacts these things.  And then the little piggies
can fly

 

-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Diane Gardner
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:57 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth
Education classes

 



Wow am I steamed! I've just had a
woman ring me in an absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run by St
Vincents Private just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She said she
had been so excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until she attended
the classes. She said they fed in negative, pain, complications and drugs!





 





What is going on here? We wonder why
women go into labour in a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just what
sort of programming are these classes installing into women and taking
away their ability to trust their bodies for birth. How long do we have to put
up with this and how much worse is it going to get before the hospital
Boards GET it or is the money rewards for doing all this more important
than birth.





 





Sorry to vent here SO loudly but I'm
getting so fed up with this same old story. Where does one have to start to
have these classes brought back to the real world and some
sensible and simple tools for birth!  Sheesh





 





Breathing and counting to
10...20.30 grrr ahhh!!!





 





Diane





 





 










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RE: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Julie Clarke]

Hi Diane

I would recommend you encourage the woman
to write a detailed letter of feedback to the hospital general manager cc to
the health education department.

You might like to offer to provide her
with assistance to write the letter.

Without feedback there will be no
improvements. It has to come from the consumers.

Warm hug

Julie

 



Julie Clarke CBE

Independent
Childbirth and Parenting Educator

HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner

ACE
Grad Dip Supervisor

NACE
Advanced Educator and Trainer

NACE
National Journal Editor

Transition into Parenthood Sessions

9
  Withybrook Place

Sylvania NSW 2224

Telephone 
9544 6441

Mobile: 0401 2655 30

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au



 









From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Diane Gardner
Sent: Friday, 27 May 2005 2:27 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Childbirth
Education classes



 



Wow am I steamed! I've just had a woman ring me in an
absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run by St Vincents Private
just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She said she had been so
excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until she attended the
classes. She said they fed in negative, pain, complications and drugs!





 





What is going on here? We wonder why women go into labour in
a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just what sort of programming are
these classes installing into women and taking away their ability to trust
their bodies for birth. How long do we have to put up with this and how much
worse is it going to get before the hospital Boards GET it or is the money
rewards for doing all this more important than birth.





 





Sorry to vent here SO loudly but I'm getting so fed up with
this same old story. Where does one have to start to have these
classes brought back to the real world and some sensible and
simple tools for birth!  Sheesh





 





Breathing and counting to 10...20.30
grrr ahhh!!!





 





Diane





 





 

[ozmidwifery] Childbirth Education classes

[Diane Gardner]

Wow am I steamed! I've just had a woman ring me in 
an absolute mess. She attended the Prenatal classes run by St Vincents Private 
just recently and and is scared out of her wits. She said she had been so 
excited and looking forward to birthing her baby until she attended the classes. 
She said they fed in negative, pain, complications and drugs!
 
What is going on here? We wonder why women go into 
labour in a hospital screaming and begging for drugs. Just what sort of 
programming are these classes installing into women and taking away their 
ability to trust their bodies for birth. How long do we have to put up with this 
and how much worse is it going to get before the hospital Boards GET it or 
is the money rewards for doing all this more important than birth.
 
Sorry to vent here SO loudly but I'm getting so fed 
up with this same old story. Where does one have to start to have these 
classes brought back to the real world and some sensible and 
simple tools for birth!  Sheesh
 
Breathing and counting to 10...20.30 
grrr ahhh!!!
 
Diane
 
 

[ozmidwifery] Childbirth education 'classes'

[Jan Robinson]

Dear Barb et al

Most private health funds are happy to refund the full amount incurred with
"one-to-one' childbirth education sessions conducted by a midwife as long as
the midwife provides a tax invoice for the couple with her registration
details and her qualifications and contact address. It helps if the midwife
also has an ABN although this is not absolutely necessary.

I often do 'tailor-made' sessions for working couples who have not had time
to go to classes and I charge $40 per hour if they come to my place and $60
per hour if I go to theirs. They can have as many or few sessions as they
wish. They need to provide me with their learning objectives before we start
so that no time is wasted during the sessions.

After the first session I usually leave the couple with lots of videos,
books, photographs to trigger ideas for further input the couple may need.
Most couples get by with two 2hour sessions (with the viewing/reading in
between them.)

Some couples who have had previous birth experiences only want a 'refresher'
Session.

Have never had a problem with health funds not refunding money.
Jan

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