Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Mary Murphy

The Guthrie card in W.A. asks for birth weight. MM

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Andrea Quanchi

I put the last recorded weight which will be that recorded as birth 
weight whenever it was done

Andrea Quanchi
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 02:54 PM, maxine hardinge wrote:

 a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how 
 do you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the 
 weight and age are both needed for the Newborn screening test.

 maxine


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Denise Hynd

Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary Murphy
is!!
I know from personal expereince
Denise  Hynd
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 How would I know?  I never weigh babies at day 3.  In a well population,
 even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up.
 One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well.  Weigh on day
10
 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time
I
 believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread alastair tawns

The only time that I had any of my 5 babies weighed on day 3 was when the
midwife..a wonderful woman...failed to get around to it until then ! She
didn't bother to weigh her immediately after the birth as 'she looked to be
a good weight' and then only bothered on day 3 as I insisted that  I needed
to give all interested parties a better answer than 'she's a good weight' My
midwife stated that whatever weight she was at day 3 would almost be the
lowest that she would ever be as it was common knowledge to her that nearly
all babies lost weight during the first couple of days. When I quizzed her
about this she replied 'sure Melanie , use your common sense , the wee
things are all knackered and sleepy after their journeys and are having a
bit of  rest and giving you time to recover before getting down to the
serious business of feeding and growing...it seemed like a good answer at
the time!
Mel
- Original Message -
From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 How would I know?  I never weigh babies at day 3.  In a well population,
 even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up.
 One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well.  Weigh on day
10
 is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time
I
 believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Vance Edwina

Birth weight is the only weight required on the Guthrie
- Edwina

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a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how
do 
you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight
and 
age are both needed for the Newborn screening test.

maxine


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Leanne Meddemmen

Not something I 've recorded for a Neonatal screen for 15 years. When they
ask for weight I always use the birth weight, and that it what all the
Midwives do where I work. The hosp Day 4 weighs, but working in the CMP
(ACT) I don't weigh unless I'm concerned about output and then not until day
4.
Leanne : )

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 you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and
 age are both needed for the Newborn screening test.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Mary Murphy

Denise!  don't encourage me.  It's just that at the age of 60, one doesn't
have a lot to lose by refusing to do things which I see to be unhelpful,
untruthful or midleading.  I guess you'll all just have to tolerate me till
I retire when I'm 75. MM

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From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary
Murphy
 is!!
 I know from personal expereince
 Denise  Hynd
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


  How would I know?  I never weigh babies at day 3.  In a well population,
  even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up.
  One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well.  Weigh on
day
 10
  is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the
time
 I
  believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital

Birth weight is all we have ever used on these 

Sandra

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a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do you complete 
the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and age are both needed for 
the Newborn screening test.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Mary Murphy

I think I love this midwife!  we could be soulmates? My Mum (a Maternity
Nurse in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of babies in the S.w of
W.a. told me that the real weight was after they had their first poo.  I
just think that this obsession with weight starts when babies are born.
what does it weigh? comes after What is it?  This obsession carries on
throughout life and one is never the right weight .  I definitely am not!.
and I love myself anyway. MM
- Original Message - The only time that I had any of my 5 babies
weighed on day 3 was when the midwife..a wonderful woman...failed to get
around to it until then ! She didn't bother to weigh her immediately after
the birth as 'she looked to be a good weight' and then only bothered on day
3 as I insisted that  I needed to give all interested parties a better
answer than 'she's a good weight' My midwife stated that whatever weight she
was at day 3 would almost be the lowest that she would ever be as it was
common knowledge to her that nearly all babies lost weight during the first
couple of days. When I quizzed her about this she replied 'sure Melanie ,
use your common sense , the wee things are all knackered and sleepy after
their journeys and are having a bit of  rest and giving you time to recover
before getting down to the serious business of feeding and growing...it
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Lyle Burgoyne

Hi Iagre totally with Rhonda cereal and toast do not make good breast milk .Mothers 
need some protien and some fat with all three meals Lyle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/09/02 02:13pm 
Is this in a hospital?  Check the mothers diets!  What is on the menu for
them?  I am sure that most hospital diets are not breastfeeding friendly.

Just my thoughts 

Rhonda.

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Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:49:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more
than 10% of their birth weight on day 3. Is anyone
else out there experiencing this and are there any
studies on this subject. This is particularly babies
of caucasian mothers. Can anyone shed light on this
for me?
Irene Munro
Alice Springs

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Vicki Chan

Sure Mary...like we believe you are going to retire!
Vicki

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


Denise!  don't encourage me.  It's just that at the age of 60, one
doesn't have a lot to lose by refusing to do things which I see to be
unhelpful, untruthful or midleading.  I guess you'll all just have to
tolerate me till I retire when I'm 75. MM

- Original Message -
From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 Oh what a wonderfully naughtie and empowering midwife this woman Mary
Murphy
 is!!
 I know from personal expereince
 Denise  Hynd
 - Original Message -
 From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


  How would I know?  I never weigh babies at day 3.  In a well 
  population, even if not feeding too well on the first few days they 
  usually pick up. One can tell by looking at them if they are not 
  doing well.  Weigh on
day
 10
  is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the
time
 I
  believe that scales are a superfluous piece of equipment. MM
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Marilyn Kleidon

In Washington, USA the card asks for the birth wt. and then the age of the
infant at the testing.  marilyn
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do
you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and
age are both needed for the Newborn screening test.

maxine


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



Too right! If anyone would like an emailed copy of 
a paper I presented at the 12th Congress of the International Association for 
Physical Education for Girls and Women, Melbourne, 1992 (I think, or 1993), let 
me know; I'll send it on. It's Dance and Self-Image -- Moving Ahead. Just had a 
thought...maybe I'll put it on my website. 

In a nutshell it'sabout how 
it'smandatory to gain from conception and through childhood, how once we 
become mobile, we are taught not to lose things ("Oh, where are Auntie Mabel's 
car keys? Baby toddled off with them...in the toilet!"), then after a few years 
all of a sudden it's not ok to gain, and we are supposed to "lose" part of the 
body we've worked very hard to gain. The very term "lose weight" sets one up to 
gainmore of it. Most of us are very successful! and so on.

Aviva

- Original Message - 
From: Mary Murphy 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
I think I love this midwife! we could be "soulmates?" My 
Mum (a "MaternityNurse" in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of 
babies in the S.w ofW.a. told me that the "real" weight was after they had 
their first poo. 


RE: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread Sally Westbury

My routine practice is not to weigh babies at birth. I do this for many
reasons but primarily to slow things down for the newly born soul. I
weigh the next day or so. 

I also advise the families not to dress the baby but just a nappy and
baby wraps for the same reason. This means that in the first day there
is a lot of skin to skin contact (whenever breast feeding). It is really
beautiful.

Sally Westbury

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-10 Thread MHS Grové



Yes Aviva may I please have 
it
Hettie Grove
South Africa

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aviva 
  Sheb'a 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:42 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight 
  loss
  
  Too right! If anyone would like an emailed copy 
  of a paper I presented at the 12th Congress of the International Association 
  for Physical Education for Girls and Women, Melbourne, 1992 (I think, or 
  1993), let me know; I'll send it on. It's Dance and Self-Image -- Moving 
  Ahead. Just had a thought...maybe I'll put it on my website. 
  
  In a nutshell it'sabout how 
  it'smandatory to gain from conception and through childhood, how once we 
  become mobile, we are taught not to lose things ("Oh, where are Auntie Mabel's 
  car keys? Baby toddled off with them...in the toilet!"), then after a few 
  years all of a sudden it's not ok to gain, and we are supposed to "lose" part 
  of the body we've worked very hard to gain. The very term "lose weight" sets 
  one up to gainmore of it. Most of us are very successful! and so 
  on.
  
  Aviva
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Murphy 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss
  I think I love this midwife! we could be "soulmates?" My 
  Mum (a "MaternityNurse" in the late 1930's) who caught lots and lots of 
  babies in the S.w ofW.a. told me that the "real" weight was after they had 
  their first poo. 


Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-09 Thread Marilyn Kleidon

These were homebirth babies, weighed on day7. Most babies born in the USA
(at least in Washington) in hospital would be discharged between 24 and 48
hours  after birth, so they would not have a day 3 weigh either.  marilyn
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From: Irene Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 Thanks for your reply Marilyn.
 It is 'routine' here to weigh on day 3 whether mum is
 diabetic or not.   Personally, I think it just
 stresses the mums out and they begin to get anxious
 and then the 'rot' sets in.   I was interested to hear
 that you only weigh on day 7, depending on the
 progress as you stated.   I reckon that is a much more
 sensible regime, as breastfeeding does not always go
 as the textbook says.
 Irene

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-09 Thread jireland

This is so simple that I don't mean to insult any one babies don't need to
be weighed at birth the next day if the parents want to know is better also
believe it or not I now suggest all mothers in the private system have their
babe weighed on the SAME scales ie wait till they go to PN ward .I have
proved that at one part priv hosp in melb there is a 300grm diff in LW and
PN scales .
Look at the baby is it alert and feeding whats happening in the nappy dept
and forget the scales . Jan
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more
 than 10% of their birth weight on day 3.   Is anyone
 else out there experiencing this  and are there any
 studies on this subject.   This is particularly babies
 of caucasian mothers.   Can anyone shed light on this
 for me?
 Irene Munro
 Alice Springs

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-09 Thread Mary Murphy

How would I know?  I never weigh babies at day 3.  In a well population,
even if not feeding too well on the first few days they usually pick up.
One can tell by looking at them if they are not doing well.  Weigh on day 10
is a good measure and even then I don't worry tooo much. Most of the time I
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-09 Thread Sandra J. Eales

Irene
You can probably guess my advice about weighing on day 3 - STOP it!  It only
causes stress to mothers and many midwives and doctors.  Observation of
feeds, output (passage of mec and transitional stools) and baby condition
and behaviour is much more useful than day 3 weight to assess how well the
babe is making the transition to extrauterine life.  This way you identify
if and what the particular problem is e.g. poor attachment and deal with
that  rather than jumping in with artificial comps which will create more
problems.

If there is in fact a general problem with babies not adapting and feeding
well you would need to look at what is happening to them in your system.  I
would look at the basics - narcotic use in labour, do they go to the breast
within the first 1 hour of birth,  are they demand feeding, rooming in with
mum or being babysat at night to let the mum get some rest...mothers and
babies do and will make this transition well and healthily as long as they
are not sabotaged by our poor professional assistance.

Good Luck
Sandra


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more
 than 10% of their birth weight on day 3.   Is anyone
 else out there experiencing this  and are there any
 studies on this subject.   This is particularly babies
 of caucasian mothers.   Can anyone shed light on this
 for me?
 Irene Munro
 Alice Springs

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-09 Thread maxine hardinge

a question for the midwives who are not weighing babies on day 3 - how do 
you complete the guthries card? it is my understanding that the weight and 
age are both needed for the Newborn screening test.

maxine


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[ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-08 Thread Irene Munro

I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more
than 10% of their birth weight on day 3.   Is anyone
else out there experiencing this  and are there any
studies on this subject.   This is particularly babies
of caucasian mothers.   Can anyone shed light on this
for me?
Irene Munro
Alice Springs

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-08 Thread Rhonda








  Is this in a hospital? Check the mothers diets! What is 
  on the menu for them? I am sure that most hospital diets are not 
  "breastfeeding friendly".
  
  Just my thoughts 
  
  Rhonda.
  
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  Date: Monday, September 
  09, 2002 11:49:02
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Day 3 weight loss
  I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing 
  morethan 10% of their birth weight on day 3. Is anyoneelse out 
  there experiencing this and are there anystudies on this subject. This 
  is particularly babiesof caucasian mothers. Can anyone shed light on 
  thisfor me?Irene MunroAlice 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-08 Thread Marilyn Kleidon

I guess my question would be why are you weighing babies on day 3? Unless
your babies are not peeing, pooping, are lethargic, irritable, and not
feeding, WHY? Our routine to weigh babies in Seattle was at birth and then
on day 7. Now of course a baby with the symptoms mentioned above would be
weighed, feeding would be assessed and if necessary baby would see a paed
and/or lactation consultant. Theoretically, babies born to diabetic mums
(both pre-gestational and gestational) can be hypervolemic at birth, appear
puffy and bloated and then pee out the excess fluid resulting in an
exagerrated weight loss. This can be exaccerbated by hypoglycemia following
birth (after being cut off from mum's hyperglycemia and the resulting over
production of insulin) resulting in a lethargic, irritable babie who wont
feed.  So, I don't know do you have a lot of diabetic mums?

. - Original Message -
From: Irene Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss


 I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing more
 than 10% of their birth weight on day 3.   Is anyone
 else out there experiencing this  and are there any
 studies on this subject.   This is particularly babies
 of caucasian mothers.   Can anyone shed light on this
 for me?
 Irene Munro
 Alice Springs

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-08 Thread Jo Slamen



Irene,

I realise this is a totally isolated incident, but just for 
comparison...

Baby #1 - born May 99 at St. Vincents Private in Melb.was born at 
3830g, got down to 3350. His delivery was instrumental (due to PE 
diagnosed in labour) and I lost a litre of blood from episiotomy which tore - 
according to OB (there was no PPH)- and was not transfused due to good 
pathology results. Midwives wanted to supplement with formula - I wouldn't 
allow it and he after day 3 he began gaining at 400g+ per week.

Baby #2 - born March 02 at Mercy Hospital Melb. was born at 3950g and 
weighed on day 2 (at home) at 4000g. Birth was induced by ARM due to fear 
of onset of PE and labour stimulated with synto because they were 
busy! But delivery was normal - no analgesics, no instruments.

I put the loss of 10% of #1 baby down to blood loss and traumatic 
delivery. Maybe I'm kidding myself?? I guess also with #2 breasts 
were primed and ready to go - "knew" what to do, so to speak?

Jo

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Is this in a hospital? Check the mothers diets! What is 
on the menu for them? I am sure that most hospital diets are not 
"breastfeeding friendly".

Just my thoughts 

Rhonda.

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I am finding an alarming amount of babies losing 
morethan 10% of their birth weight on day 3. Is anyoneelse out 
there experiencing this and are there anystudies on this subject. 
This is particularly babiesof caucasian mothers. Can anyone shed 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-08 Thread Irene Munro

Thanks for your reply Marilyn.
It is 'routine' here to weigh on day 3 whether mum is
diabetic or not.   Personally, I think it just
stresses the mums out and they begin to get anxious
and then the 'rot' sets in.   I was interested to hear
that you only weigh on day 7, depending on the
progress as you stated.   I reckon that is a much more
sensible regime, as breastfeeding does not always go
as the textbook says.
Irene

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Day 3 weight loss

2002-09-08 Thread Irene Munro

Hi Jo,
Thanks for your reply.   Well done you!   I reckon
that early discharge is the answer, so that the
doctors can't get their hands on the babies!
Irene

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