Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital]

They used to do that when I was having my babies 30 and 32 yrs ago. Used a 
Kochers clamp. You were in lithotomy with legs tied up so that when you were 
trying to slide through the head of the bed and the wall to get away from the 
pain, you couldn't. Very, Very nasty. 
I would have thought if they were doing their palpations and vaginal examinations properly they would know if the baby's head was down. 
I personally have been thankful for the introduction of the amnihook or 
amnicot and most especially the understanding of the negative side of early ARM 
when not urgently necessary. 
Cheers
Judy>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/05 08:35am 
>>>

Hi ladies,
 
Can anyone shed some light on this 
procedure for me please?
 
A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an amniotomy with the possibility of 
fetal scalp hair and skin being ‘pulled’ at the same 
time.
 
A good friend of mine only recently 
shared this experience with me about her son’s birth (August 2003). Apparently 
she and her husband were warned that hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was 
pulled it was a good indication of the babe being head down. After the procedure 
was performed, her son’s hair was presented to them on a piece of 
cardboard.
 
This was verified by another woman 
who overheard and shared her similar experience. I have never heard about this 
procedure, I can’t find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I 
must be looking in the wrong areas.
 
Thanks- 
Isis
 
 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[david]

Hi Isis
This was the way amniotomy was performed before the 
advent of amnihooks and amnigloves (but after the midwives long 5th 
fingernail!). The instruments used were curved Harrison Cripes forceps and 
fetal hair indicated that the membranes had been "successfully" ruptured. And 
yes - the docs used to ask if the parents wanted to know the colour of their 
baby's hair.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Isis 
  Caple 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:35 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from 
  fetal scalp
  
  
  Hi 
  ladies,
   
  Can anyone shed some light on this 
  procedure for me please?
   
  A pair of flat bladed (like 
  tweezers) scissors being used to perform an amniotomy with the possibility of 
  fetal scalp hair and skin being ‘pulled’ at the same 
  time.
   
  A good friend of mine only 
  recently shared this experience with me about her son’s birth (August 2003). 
  Apparently she and her husband were warned that hair and/or skin may be 
  pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good indication of the babe being head 
  down. After the procedure was performed, her son’s hair was presented to them 
  on a piece of cardboard.
   
  This was verified by another woman 
  who overheard and shared her similar experience. I have never heard about this 
  procedure, I can’t find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I 
  must be looking in the wrong areas.
   
  Thanks- 
  Isis
   
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Jan Robinson]

Hi Isis

Why would anyone want to subject the poor little fetus to such torture just to prove a point?
There are plenty of fetal epidermal cells and lanugo present in amniotic fluid if proof is needed. As for the head-down thingo, can't they palpate?

What a bunch of sadists!
Perhaps one day a woman will sue the practitioners for assault or fetal abuse?
Jan
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 29 Mar, 2005, at 10:10, JoFromOz wrote:

Isis Caple wrote:

Hi ladies,

Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?

A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being ‘pulled’ at the same time.

A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me about her son’s birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned that hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good indication of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her son’s hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.

This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can’t find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong areas.

Thanks- Isis

I remember this... the large teaching hospital I did my training in in Melbourne used to use allegator forceps to do ARMs. When new doctors were learning the ARM technique, the plucking of a foetal hair was 'proof' that the infact, had ruptured the membranes. I can still hear them now..."I got a foetal hair..."

Horrid.

Jo (RM)

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Belinda Maier]

I can't imagine, even in our incessant desire to 'know' the baby before it
is born throguh ultrasounds etc that any women would be happy if she knew
how it was obtained
- Original Message -
From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp


> Jo, Mercy Hospital for Women and Royal Womens in Melbourne.
>
> I am so glad for the responses I have had so far. I had never heard of
this
> happening, I truly thought it was a joke being played on me. Yet for 2
> different women in two different hospitals to share their experience of it
> was mind boggling. How many other women and their babes experience this
yet
> don't realise the realities? The reality being it is basically useless. At
> least now I am aware of it and I can give my clients options, if and when
> the alligator forceps are brandished. But then some women would love to
have
> a lock of their babes hair stickytaped to a piece of cardboard before it
is
> born. Would go nicely beside the whiz bang 3D/4D ultrasound snapshots.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean & Jo
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:09 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
>
> That's is what I feel about this Kristie...what happens if babe was
> presenting face first and you pokes their eye out with this thing!?  My
> AROM had already been preformed and the dr used the alligator thingies
> with me.  It is one of the clearer memories I have of that stage of
> labour.  I remember the way in which the dr looked at the hair with that
> stupid almost comically quizzical look and said "well dark hair it is!"
> AS if I cared!!
>
> I thought that perhaps it was some way of getting some feotal blood to
> sample but there was nothing recorded on the notes that the procedure
> had been done or the results.
>
> Anyone else heard of this??
>
>
> Isis, can I ask where this was done?
>
> Jo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristie
> Orchard
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:23 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
>
> Goodmorning
> Although I have seen ARM performed with forceps I've never seen it being
>
> done with the express purpose of trying to pull baby's hair or skin
> (thankfully!).
> Is it presumed no hair = no head ?!(as opposed to not engaged/bald,etc)
> I wonder if the practitioner performing this procedure would like their
> head, face, bottom, testicles or other presenting body part tugged with
> a
> surgical instrument when just trying to be born?!
>
> Kristie
>
> >From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> >To: 
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
> >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:01 +1000
> >
> >Hi ladies,
> >
> >
> >
> >Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?
> >
> >
> >
> >A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an
> >amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being
> 'pulled'
> >at the same time.
> >
> >
> >
> >A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me
> about
> >her
> >son's birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned
> that
> >hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good
> indication
> >of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her
> son's
> >hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.
> >
> >
> >
> >This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar
> >experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can't find
> reference
> >to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong
> >areas.
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks- Isis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[JoFromOz]

Isis Caple wrote:
Hi ladies,
Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?
A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform 
an amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being 
‘pulled’ at the same time.

A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me 
about her son’s birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband 
were warned that hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it 
was a good indication of the babe being head down. After the procedure 
was performed, her son’s hair was presented to them on a piece of 
cardboard.

This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her 
similar experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can’t 
find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be 
looking in the wrong areas.

Thanks- Isis
I remember this... the large teaching hospital I did my training in in 
Melbourne used to use allegator forceps to do ARMs. When new doctors 
were learning the ARM technique, the plucking of a foetal hair was 
'proof' that the infact, had ruptured the membranes. I can still hear 
them now..."I got a foetal hair..."

Horrid.
Jo (RM)
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Isis Caple]

Jo, Mercy Hospital for Women and Royal Womens in Melbourne.

I am so glad for the responses I have had so far. I had never heard of this
happening, I truly thought it was a joke being played on me. Yet for 2
different women in two different hospitals to share their experience of it
was mind boggling. How many other women and their babes experience this yet
don't realise the realities? The reality being it is basically useless. At
least now I am aware of it and I can give my clients options, if and when
the alligator forceps are brandished. But then some women would love to have
a lock of their babes hair stickytaped to a piece of cardboard before it is
born. Would go nicely beside the whiz bang 3D/4D ultrasound snapshots.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean & Jo
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:09 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

That's is what I feel about this Kristie...what happens if babe was
presenting face first and you pokes their eye out with this thing!?  My
AROM had already been preformed and the dr used the alligator thingies
with me.  It is one of the clearer memories I have of that stage of
labour.  I remember the way in which the dr looked at the hair with that
stupid almost comically quizzical look and said "well dark hair it is!"
AS if I cared!!

I thought that perhaps it was some way of getting some feotal blood to
sample but there was nothing recorded on the notes that the procedure
had been done or the results.  

Anyone else heard of this??


Isis, can I ask where this was done?

Jo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristie
Orchard
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:23 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

Goodmorning
Although I have seen ARM performed with forceps I've never seen it being

done with the express purpose of trying to pull baby's hair or skin 
(thankfully!).
Is it presumed no hair = no head ?!(as opposed to not engaged/bald,etc)
I wonder if the practitioner performing this procedure would like their 
head, face, bottom, testicles or other presenting body part tugged with
a 
surgical instrument when just trying to be born?!

Kristie

>From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>To: 
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:01 +1000
>
>Hi ladies,
>
>
>
>Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?
>
>
>
>A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an
>amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being
'pulled'
>at the same time.
>
>
>
>A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me
about 
>her
>son's birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned
that
>hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good
indication
>of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her
son's
>hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.
>
>
>
>This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar
>experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can't find
reference
>to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong
>areas.
>
>
>
>Thanks- Isis
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Belinda Maier]

You cannot get a ph reading off blood from the hair, so it is essentially a
useless procedure for gaining any sort of intelligence about the babies well
being, an you are right, what if it is not the head presenting, it tells us
nothing but that the practitioner doing it is dangerous, cruel and ignorant

- Original Message -
From: "Dean & Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp


That’s is what I feel about this Kristie...what happens if babe was
presenting face first and you pokes their eye out with this thing!?  My
AROM had already been preformed and the dr used the alligator thingies
with me.  It is one of the clearer memories I have of that stage of
labour.  I remember the way in which the dr looked at the hair with that
stupid almost comically quizzical look and said "well dark hair it is!"
AS if I cared!!

I thought that perhaps it was some way of getting some feotal blood to
sample but there was nothing recorded on the notes that the procedure
had been done or the results.

Anyone else heard of this??


Isis, can I ask where this was done?

Jo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristie
Orchard
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:23 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

Goodmorning
Although I have seen ARM performed with forceps I've never seen it being

done with the express purpose of trying to pull baby's hair or skin
(thankfully!).
Is it presumed no hair = no head ?!(as opposed to not engaged/bald,etc)
I wonder if the practitioner performing this procedure would like their
head, face, bottom, testicles or other presenting body part tugged with
a
surgical instrument when just trying to be born?!

Kristie

>From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>To: 
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:01 +1000
>
>Hi ladies,
>
>
>
>Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?
>
>
>
>A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an
>amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being
'pulled'
>at the same time.
>
>
>
>A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me
about
>her
>son's birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned
that
>hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good
indication
>of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her
son's
>hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.
>
>
>
>This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar
>experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can't find
reference
>to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong
>areas.
>
>
>
>Thanks- Isis
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Belinda Maier]

I have never heard of anyone being so insensitive 
and stupid to think it is okay to pull out the babies hair. I know that many 
people really believe that babies in utero don't feel pain which maybe is their 
justification for doing this type of torture on unborn babies, the others are 
scalp pHs and scalp 'clips'. The scalp clips also pull of the babies hair and 
skin and the literature shows this can leave a permanent bald spot. Michel Odent 
postulate that trauma to babies  like this and procedures immediately after 
being born, im Konakion, heel pricks etc does something (the technical term!) to 
the babies immune system which is a reason for such high allergies etc in 
children these days. I know a midwife who put a scalp clip on her own head and 
kept in on for a fair while, she said she took it off in the end because her 
head was throbbing!
It is a continual source of dismay, frustration and 
anger that so many practices are so damaging and traumatic without having any 
evidence or research basis that supports it - and women are trusting their 
carers to do no harm to them so they think these things were necessary, 
valuable, legitimate, productive, safe, protective etc etc When women realise, 
whenever that is for them, that this was probably not the case they are left 
with trauma , guilt, anger etc that stays with them. Too many women, I think 
,internalise these things instead of turning it around and saying they were let 
down by those who they trusteed, anyway I am on a roll I had better 
stop.
this could be why it is taking so long to finish my 
thesis!!!
 
Belinda

   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Dean & Jo]

That’s is what I feel about this Kristie...what happens if babe was
presenting face first and you pokes their eye out with this thing!?  My
AROM had already been preformed and the dr used the alligator thingies
with me.  It is one of the clearer memories I have of that stage of
labour.  I remember the way in which the dr looked at the hair with that
stupid almost comically quizzical look and said "well dark hair it is!"
AS if I cared!!

I thought that perhaps it was some way of getting some feotal blood to
sample but there was nothing recorded on the notes that the procedure
had been done or the results.  

Anyone else heard of this??


Isis, can I ask where this was done?

Jo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristie
Orchard
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:23 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

Goodmorning
Although I have seen ARM performed with forceps I've never seen it being

done with the express purpose of trying to pull baby's hair or skin 
(thankfully!).
Is it presumed no hair = no head ?!(as opposed to not engaged/bald,etc)
I wonder if the practitioner performing this procedure would like their 
head, face, bottom, testicles or other presenting body part tugged with
a 
surgical instrument when just trying to be born?!

Kristie

>From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>To: 
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:01 +1000
>
>Hi ladies,
>
>
>
>Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?
>
>
>
>A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an
>amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being
'pulled'
>at the same time.
>
>
>
>A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me
about 
>her
>son's birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned
that
>hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good
indication
>of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her
son's
>hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.
>
>
>
>This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar
>experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can't find
reference
>to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong
>areas.
>
>
>
>Thanks- Isis
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Kristie Orchard]

Goodmorning
Although I have seen ARM performed with forceps I've never seen it being 
done with the express purpose of trying to pull baby's hair or skin 
(thankfully!).
Is it presumed no hair = no head ?!(as opposed to not engaged/bald,etc)

I wonder if the practitioner performing this procedure would like their 
head, face, bottom, testicles or other presenting body part tugged with a 
surgical instrument when just trying to be born?!

Kristie
From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:01 +1000
Hi ladies,

Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?

A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an
amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being 'pulled'
at the same time.

A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me about 
her
son's birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned that
hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good indication
of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her son's
hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.


This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar
experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can't find reference
to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong
areas.

Thanks- Isis


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[leanne wynne]

Dear Isis,
I have seen this occur on a number of occasions and it is usually performed 
using 'alligator forceps' by an older obstetrician or a new O&G resident who 
is not confident to do an ARM with an amnihook. It's a bit barbaric in my 
opinion and totally unnecessary! On the rare occasion when an ARM is really 
necessary then an amnihook is a much kinder way of doing it!
Leanne.

From: "Isis Caple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: 
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:01 +1000
Hi ladies,

Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?

A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to perform an
amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being 'pulled'
at the same time.

A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience with me about 
her
son's birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her husband were warned that
hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it was a good indication
of the babe being head down. After the procedure was performed, her son's
hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.


This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared her similar
experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can't find reference
to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in the wrong
areas.

Thanks- Isis



Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Dean & Jo]

WOW! 
I HAD THIS HAPPEN TO ME 8 YEARS AGO AND NO ONE HAS EXPLAINED WHAT IT WAS
ALL ABOUT!!!

 

(Sorry, using caps as I almost yelled it
out loud!)

 

I was told they were going to see what
coloured hair baby had…Like I cared   There was no record on my notes –but they doctored
my notes something awful anyway and I have proof…I have three sets and the most
recent has had things added which I had previously questioned them about- and
there has never been any explanation.  I
felt that it was such a cruel thing to do to my poor child!

 

Eagerly awaiting posts!

 

Jo

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:05
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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pulling
hair from fetal scalp

 

Hi ladies,

 

Can anyone shed some light on this
procedure for me please?

 

A pair of flat bladed (like
tweezers) scissors being used to perform an amniotomy with the possibility of
fetal scalp hair and skin being ‘pulled’ at the same time.

 

A good friend of mine only recently
shared this experience with me about her son’s birth (August 2003). Apparently
she and her husband were warned that hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair
was pulled it was a good indication of the babe being head down. After the
procedure was performed, her son’s hair was presented to them on a piece of
cardboard.

 

This was verified by another woman
who overheard and shared her similar experience. I have never heard about this
procedure, I can’t find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I
must be looking in the wrong areas.

 

Thanks- Isis

 

 








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[ozmidwifery] Pulling hair from fetal scalp

[Isis Caple]

Hi ladies,

 

Can anyone shed some light on this procedure for me please?

 

A pair of flat bladed (like tweezers) scissors being used to
perform an amniotomy with the possibility of fetal scalp hair and skin being ‘pulled’
at the same time.

 

A good friend of mine only recently shared this experience
with me about her son’s birth (August 2003). Apparently she and her
husband were warned that hair and/or skin may be pulled, if hair was pulled it
was a good indication of the babe being head down. After the procedure was
performed, her son’s hair was presented to them on a piece of cardboard.

 

This was verified by another woman who overheard and shared
her similar experience. I have never heard about this procedure, I can’t
find reference to it in any of my texts, or on the net. I must be looking in
the wrong areas.

 

Thanks- Isis