[ozmidwifery] Thanks!!! re Raspberry Leaf Tea

[Heartlogic]

Thanks to all you wonderful people who wrote both 
off list and on list with the details about Raspberry leaf tea!
 
I'm so grateful. Thanks too to Ramona who went to 
such trouble to transcribe the information from Kerry Bone's book. 
 
Very very helpful.
 
with best wishes to all of you, 
 
happily, Carolyn Hastie

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[Emily]

thanks everyone for the yoga video :)  emily
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[ozmidwifery] thanks Pinky

[Dierdre Bowman]

Thanks Pinky,

 

She lives in Parkdale.  Her mobile number is 0410392539

 

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Help Needed

 



H Deirdre - sorry I read this late-
now realise this poor mum probably isnt ready to contact people herself / sert
up her own networks - she should be still mid babymoon (oh for an ideal world
with lots of support). Depending where she lives I may be able to visit or at
least connect her with other mums nearby.





Pinky





 







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From: Pinky McKay 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:20 AM





Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed





 





Hi Deirdre,





 





 





What about ABA groups
-they are all around. Our local one has weekly coffee mornings at a
kindergarten premises so nice neutral ground and good play space
for toddlers - Wantirna/Boronia.





 





Also, depending where she lives in
Melbourne - there are several Natural Parenting Playgroups (call Melinda Whyman
9756 0464) , Melbourne Attachment Parenting group -they have a website (sorry I
dont have a phone number), Rhea Dempsey runs some great groups at Fairfield
9482 5884 with lovely natural mums - 





 





There are Steiner playgroups at
Menzies Creek and Carnegie if shes open to checking them out -I can find out
contacts tomorrow if they are of interest (require phone calls and not nice to
call after midnight :).





 





Re MCh mums groups- being a second
time mum she could be excluded -I have had a couple of 2nd time mums at my
baby massage classes recently who felt upset that they have not been able to
join a new mums group- one had a 4 year old and was quite isolated from other
mums with small babies. It does, though seem to depend on the nurse and which
area as some place resources are stretched and even first time mums groups are
huge.





 





It is difficult with a toddler as
well as a baby since a lot of places arent overly welcoming to both age
groups- ie toddler classes such as GymbaROO / baby music etc often require
full attention on the toddler and some baby groups exclude toddlers -makes it
difficult.





 





Pinky







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From: Dierdre Bowman 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:16 AM





Subject:
[ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed





 



Hi all, 

I read oz mid often but rarely
contribute anything as I just enjoy reading everyone else’s
contributions.

However, I have a need I am hoping
some of you may be able to help with.  I
am a hombirth midwife in Brisbane and have in
the past few days had a client move to Melbourne as her
husbands job required.  She gave birth
the week before Christmas and while everything went well physically, she is
emotionally very stretched at the moment, as a direct result of moving to Melbourne, to a new city with almost
know one she knows to support her.  I am
writing this listing at her request.  She
desperately needs some contact with like minded people in the Melbourne area and I
was hoping some of you may be able to help.

 

I have grave concerns for her and
consider it a likely hood that she could get post natal depression if she
continues as she currently is.  She has
given me permission to give out her mobile number to anyone who may be willing
to just call up and say hello or invite her to a support group in the Melbourne area.

 

She of course is into homebirth, but
also has an interest in such things as Montersorri (excuse my spelling)
schools, non-vaccination, breastfeeding, attachment parenting.  She makes baby slings as a side business and
is a busy mum of a 2 nearly 3 year old and as I said a new baby.  She feels like a little fish in a big pond
and would love desperately to hear from anyone down there that may have similar
interests.  Anyone who may be able to
support her in terms of assistance in avoiding PND would also be a God send.

 

If any of you feels you could be of
assistance could you please contact me urgently. I will be checking emails
tomorrow (Friday) so if you could let me know of any help you may be able to
give I would love to hear from you and will gladly pass on the mobile number.  Thank you in advance. I know there is such a
great network of women and midwives on this list that I have no doubt that she
will find the network support she needs to make Melbourne feel like
home.

 

Blessings Dierdre B.

[ozmidwifery] thanks

[ID & AC Quanchi]

well done Tania and I'm sure that piece of info is going to pass many of our 
lips in the future.  I for one never bother to do these coz I could never 
see the point but many hospitals have it written in their policies that they 
should be done. 

When I was doing the care plans for the establishment I turn up to 
occasionally I carefully worded it to say that they should be done as needed 
or indicated but when the printed copy appeared it had been revised to say 
BD. Like hitting the proverbial brick wall.
Anyway what I think the problem really is that when left to individuals to 
do or not do what happens is that some people seem to be able to discern 
that obs are not needed for individual women but cant see that they need to 
write something that acknowledges that they were 'with' the women, So what 
appears in medical records for them to code is a blank page and blank pages 
dont attract money or assist the coders in deciphering what happened while 
the woman was in the establishement.  There are many things you can write in 
the notes that show you were with the woman doing what midwives do without 
writing meaningless obs. 

Anyway thanks for this credible source for me to use when called on to 
defend why I dont do obs on woman who dont do them. it sounds much better 
than my usual line of because it * 

Andrea Q
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[ozmidwifery] Thanks :-)

[Carolyn Hastie]

Thanks so much to Cath Palmer and those who have emailed me privately,
wishing me/us good luck in the election tomorrow. Which ever major party
heads up the government after tomorrow, I trust that we will have enough of
those elected, such as Aden Ridgeway and Sandra Kanck et al who will support
women's choices and midwifery and who can ensure wise leadership and a fair
and just government.

in solidarity,

Carolyn Hastie
Democrat Candidate for Dobell (and so darn proud to be so)



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[Kylie Carberry]

Hi everyone
Thanks so much for all the resourceful info.  I have read through the NMAP and had a look at the recommended websites.  I am now in the process of drafting a proposal letter for various publications.  Hopefully an editor will embrace my idea and give the go ahead to write the article.
I will let everyone now how I go.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!

[pauline]

Something similar to what I was told..."You are better off asking a silly
question than making a silly mistake"  Enjoy what you are doing, Pauline
- Original Message - 
From: "Tania & Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!


> Hi Kirsten
> I'm a BMid student also and I have to agree with the others about asking
> questions. Someone told me once that 'the only silly question is the one
you
> don't ask'. During my 21/2 years as a mid student I've referred to this
> quote many, many, many times!!!
>
> Cheers
> Tania
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:59 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!
>
>
> > Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday.  I
must
> admit, I feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of
the
> learning curve! :)  It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare,
and
> reading your responses has made me think about the care we can give in a
> totally different way.  I would never have thought about the induced
labour
> causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have thought that avoiding
drugs
> would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may experience, and
> being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially identify
> something going wrong.  Oh so much to learn!  I am really grateful that
this
> group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows
> questions and comments without derision!
> >
> > Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from
the
> woman who told me the story, and I didn't stop to think about how
illogical
> it was.  I wonder if it was just that the blood was stopped from getting
to
> the brain?  Or the stress of the pressure?  What would be the likely
reason?
> >
> > Thanks again for your help.  I will definately follow up those links you
> sent Abby!!  Thank you, thank you.
> >
> > Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!

[Tania & Laurie]

Hi Kirsten
I'm a BMid student also and I have to agree with the others about asking
questions. Someone told me once that 'the only silly question is the one you
don't ask'. During my 21/2 years as a mid student I've referred to this
quote many, many, many times!!!

Cheers
Tania
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From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:59 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!


> Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday.  I must
admit, I feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of the
learning curve! :)  It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare, and
reading your responses has made me think about the care we can give in a
totally different way.  I would never have thought about the induced labour
causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have thought that avoiding drugs
would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may experience, and
being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially identify
something going wrong.  Oh so much to learn!  I am really grateful that this
group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows
questions and comments without derision!
>
> Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from the
woman who told me the story, and I didn't stop to think about how illogical
it was.  I wonder if it was just that the blood was stopped from getting to
the brain?  Or the stress of the pressure?  What would be the likely reason?
>
> Thanks again for your help.  I will definately follow up those links you
sent Abby!!  Thank you, thank you.
>
> Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!

[Dean & Jo]

Dear Kirsten,
my name is Jo and I am the co-ordinator of CARES SA (Caesarean Awareness
Recovery Education Support South Australia).  I read your email with
interest and was going to respond but the others were quick to reply.

VBAC is a huge area of importance that is often ignored.  People in
maternity services often look at me strange when I ask what VBAC education
they offer, what support networks they have in place and how much in-service
training they offer to staff about VBAC.  They say things like, it is not
needed or such.
But when we have a cs rate of 30% it  IS  relevant to one in three women!
I am amazed how many midwives don't know what VBAC means and then the blood
drains from their faces when you explain!

I cant remember what links were sent to you, but there is a few web sites
that are directly concerned with women who have suffered a uterine rupture.
they are highly emotive and heart wrenching sites so I say be ready for
tears!  But when advocating VBAC (which I do as a passion!!!) we must always
be mindful of the intensity of the choice for some women. For me VBAC was an
expectation...I didn't need my cs in the first place!  But I have
encountered women whose fear of VBAC is extremely high and possibly they
instinctually know that it is not the right choice for them?  These women
are usually not afraid to labour as such, i.e. they are not fearful of birth
just the risk of rupture.

Those who support women with their choices after cs should be honest with
themselves as to their personal fears and the extent of their knowledge of
VBAC.  there are some wonderful web sites (a GREAT one for larger women who
suffer cs)  and as someone else said the VBAC stories are truly a source of
woman's strength!  To get a supported successful VBAC is not an easy feat in
itself!  Most VBACs are done so rigidly that the woman has a far from
positive experience and can be left thinking "why did I bother?"
Fortunately (or perhaps not??) the sense of achievement after a successful
VBAC can over ride the price some of us pay for that VBAC.  My first was a
horrific vaginal birth...but a VAGINAL birth and that was good enough for
me!  It wasn't until my second VBAC - cause it doesn't matter how many vbacs
you have you are still a vbac!!!- that I realized the price I paid.  Very
sad. Those who can be fully supported are the ones who are truly
successful...even if you end up with a cs...cause you know you were
respected, supported and the cs was needed.  A healing process in itself.

Some would say implementing VBAC models of care is setting women up to
fail..I heartily disagree as a part of good VBAC preparation is the
consideration of a cs.

Sorry...not sure how I got on this band wagon!!  hee hee!  It is a bad
habit I have!  i also agree with the fact that you should NEVER feel silly
about asking about something.  Just imagine if you had not asked and then
you found yourself supporting a VBAC???  You would be really concerned and
that is not fair on the woman...she has enough of her own concerns!  Keep
asking questions!  None of us are at a point where we no longer need to ask
questions

www.cares-sa.org.au is also a good site if I do say so myself...as I didnt
do it!! hee hee
cheers Jo
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From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:59 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!


> Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday.  I must
admit, I feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of the
learning curve! :)  It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare, and
reading your responses has made me think about the care we can give in a
totally different way.  I would never have thought about the induced labour
causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have thought that avoiding drugs
would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may experience, and
being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially identify
something going wrong.  Oh so much to learn!  I am really grateful that this
group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows
questions and comments without derision!
> Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from the
woman who told me the story, and I didn't stop to think about how illogical
it was.  I wonder if it was just that the blood was stopped from getting to
the brain?  Or the stress of the pressure?  What would be the likely reason?
>
> Thanks again for your help.  I will definately follow up those links you
sent Abby!!  Thank you, thank you.
>
> Kirsten
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!

[Jen Semple]

Hi Kirsten,
 
I'm a 3rd years BMid... PLEASE don't apologise or feel bad for asking a question (I'm starting to realise that we women spend WAY too much time apologising & feeling guilty, but damn it's a hard habit to break!).
 
We've ALL been there (even midwives who trained 30 years ago!) & hopefully we all remember what it was like to be a beginner.
 
Best of luck on your journey.  Love, Jen
 
P.S. I had the honour of supporting a woman having her first VBAC (2nd pregnancy).  Though she had been in & out of bed during the labour, she ended up giving birth standing up (supported) stading up... good thing too cause she had a 4.something kilo baby!  After the birth she said "I just felt so strong"  What a privilege it was to share that moment w/ her.  VBAC is something special.
Kirsten Wohlt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday. I must admit, I feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of the learning curve! :) It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare, and reading your responses has made me think about the care we can give in a totally different way. I would never have thought about the induced labour causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have thought that avoiding drugs would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may experience, and being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially identify something going wrong. Oh so much to learn! I am really grateful that this group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows questions and comments without derision!Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from the woman who told me the s!
 tory, and
 I didn't stop to think about how illogical it was. I wonder if it was just that the blood was stopped from getting to the brain? Or the stress of the pressure? What would be the likely reason?Thanks again for your help. I will definately follow up those links you sent Abby!! Thank you, thank you.Kirsten--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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[Abby and Toby]

Hi Kirsten,

I don't think you should ever feel silly asking questions, I am always
asking questions of my mentor when I don't understand something.
Maybe you could bring this topic to one of your lecturers, it would be great
if all B Mid students learnt about the evidence based realities of VBAC.
This is a great group to learn from. Wise women, passionate about women.
Even though I have read through them before, I spent a couple of hours going
over those sites last night. I LOVE to read amazing VBAC stories. I can feel
the joy of those women.

Love Abby
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From: "Kirsten Wohlt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!


> Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday.  I must
admit, I feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of the
learning curve! :)  It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare, and
reading your responses has made me think about the care we can give in a
totally different way.  I would never have thought about the induced labour
causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have thought that avoiding drugs
would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may experience, and
being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially identify
something going wrong.  Oh so much to learn!  I am really grateful that this
group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows
questions and comments without derision!
>
> Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from the
woman who told me the story, and I didn't stop to think about how illogical
it was.  I wonder if it was just that the blood was stopped from getting to
the brain?  Or the stress of the pressure?  What would be the likely reason?
>
> Thanks again for your help.  I will definately follow up those links you
sent Abby!!  Thank you, thank you.
>
> Kirsten
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[ozmidwifery] Thanks for the responses!

[Kirsten Wohlt]

Thanks to those of you who responded to my message from yesterday.  I must admit, I 
feel a bit silly for having posted it now though - all part of the learning curve! :)  
It is good to know that this rupturing is very rare, and reading your responses has 
made me think about the care we can give in a totally different way.  I would never 
have thought about the induced labour causing unnatural contractions, nor would I have 
thought that avoiding drugs would help a woman be aware of the different pain she may 
experience, and being able to use that understanding of the pain to potentially 
identify something going wrong.  Oh so much to learn!  I am really grateful that this 
group exists and is open to 'Learner Drivers' like myself, and allows questions and 
comments without derision!

Re the 'choking' - that may have been a very bad choice of words from the woman who 
told me the story, and I didn't stop to think about how illogical it was.  I wonder if 
it was just that the blood was stopped from getting to the brain?  Or the stress of 
the pressure?  What would be the likely reason?

Thanks again for your help.  I will definately follow up those links you sent Abby!!  
Thank you, thank you.

Kirsten
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[Denise Hynd]

Fiona
Thank you for the informative response.

Now the date in this data is interesting for midwives were probably the
major carers of labouring women and new babies but still a male's name is
applied to the  contents of the cord between a newborn and it's mother!!
You think he might have named it in honour of his mother , wife or family
midwife??

I must tell my son Thomas!!


Still I remain amazed at the treasure trove of information and informative
people  on this list

Thank you

Denise

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:55 AM
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Thomas Wharton


 Related books at Amazon.com:
Thomas Wharton's Adenographia
By: Stephen Freer (Editor),
$149,50  Buy now»



English anatomist, born August 31, 1614, Winston-on-Tees, Durham county;
died November 15, 1673, London.

Associated eponyms:
Wharton's duct
The duct of the submandibular salivary gland opening into the mouth at side
of the frenum linguae.

Wharton's jelly
A gelatinous intercellular substance which is the primitive mucoid
connective tissue of the umbilical cord.



Biography:
Thomas Wharton was the son of John Wharton and Elizabeth Hodson. He studied
at Pembroke College, Cambridge, Trinity College, Oxford, and at Bolton,
Lancashire. A supporter of the republican cause, Wharton obtained his M.D.
at Oxford on May 7, 1647, after the city had surrendered to Cromwell's army.
Thereafter he had a medical practice in London, where he worked with John
Bathurst, Oliver Cromwell's physician and was elected a fellow of the Royal
College of Physicians on December 23, 1650. Wharton served as one of its
censors six times between 1658 and 1673 and gave the Goulstonian lectures in
January 1654. He was very successful and from 1649 was associated with St.
Thomas's Hospital, where he was appointed physician on November 20, 1657.

In 1656 he published, at his own expense, his Latin treatise Adenographia,
"a description of the glands of the entire body," which he dedicated to the
College of Physicians.

Adenographia gave the first thorough account of the glands of the human
body, which Wharton classified as excretory, reductive, and nutrient. He
differentiated the viscera from the glands and explained their relationship,
describing the spleen and pancreas.

Wharton discovered the duct of the submaxillary salivary gland and the jelly
of the umbilical cord, both of which are named for him; he also provided the
first adequate account of the thyroid and gave it that name. He explained
the role of saliva in mastication and digestion but considered that the
function of certain glands, such as the adrenals and the thyroid, was to
restore to the veins certain humors that were not useful to the nerves, and
that one function of the thyroid was "to fill the neck and make it shapely".
Much of Wharton's research was performed on animals: he mentions dissection
of calves, and Izaak Walton published his description of an anglerfish
(Lophius).

Wharton's son Thomas II became a clergyman, but both his grandson George and
great-grandson Thomas III, became prominent London physicians.



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[Fiona Rumble]

Thomas Wharton


 Related books at Amazon.com:
Thomas Wharton's Adenographia
By: Stephen Freer (Editor),
$149,50  Buy now»



English anatomist, born August 31, 1614, Winston-on-Tees, Durham county;
died November 15, 1673, London.

Associated eponyms:
Wharton's duct
The duct of the submandibular salivary gland opening into the mouth at side
of the frenum linguae.

Wharton's jelly
A gelatinous intercellular substance which is the primitive mucoid
connective tissue of the umbilical cord.



Biography:
Thomas Wharton was the son of John Wharton and Elizabeth Hodson. He studied
at Pembroke College, Cambridge, Trinity College, Oxford, and at Bolton,
Lancashire. A supporter of the republican cause, Wharton obtained his M.D.
at Oxford on May 7, 1647, after the city had surrendered to Cromwell's army.
Thereafter he had a medical practice in London, where he worked with John
Bathurst, Oliver Cromwell's physician and was elected a fellow of the Royal
College of Physicians on December 23, 1650. Wharton served as one of its
censors six times between 1658 and 1673 and gave the Goulstonian lectures in
January 1654. He was very successful and from 1649 was associated with St.
Thomas's Hospital, where he was appointed physician on November 20, 1657.

In 1656 he published, at his own expense, his Latin treatise Adenographia,
"a description of the glands of the entire body," which he dedicated to the
College of Physicians.

Adenographia gave the first thorough account of the glands of the human
body, which Wharton classified as excretory, reductive, and nutrient. He
differentiated the viscera from the glands and explained their relationship,
describing the spleen and pancreas.

Wharton discovered the duct of the submaxillary salivary gland and the jelly
of the umbilical cord, both of which are named for him; he also provided the
first adequate account of the thyroid and gave it that name. He explained
the role of saliva in mastication and digestion but considered that the
function of certain glands, such as the adrenals and the thyroid, was to
restore to the veins certain humors that were not useful to the nerves, and
that one function of the thyroid was "to fill the neck and make it shapely".
Much of Wharton's research was performed on animals: he mentions dissection
of calves, and Izaak Walton published his description of an anglerfish
(Lophius).

Wharton's son Thomas II became a clergyman, but both his grandson George and
great-grandson Thomas III, became prominent London physicians.



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[Fiona Rumble]

Wharton's jelly
Associated persons:
Thomas Wharton


Description:
A gelatinous intercellular substance which is the primitive mucoid
connective tissue of the umbilical cord. It is rich in hyaluronic acid.

Bibliography:


  a.. T. Wharton:
  Adenographia: sive glandularum totius corporis descriptio.
  London, 1656, pp. 243-244.



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Re: [ozmidwifery] thanks

[Denise Hynd]

Dear Meaghan
Thank you to you and Lois for reminding us of that a even a nuchal cord (or
cord around neck)  is supportive of a baby on it's journey out of the uterus
and a possible  reviver for it in the new strange !
I am also that not only is a nuchal cord is just one possiblity resulting
from the movements in the fluid but that it has other features which mean it
is not necessarily a strangulation sentence; the living elasticity and
cushioning abilities of the tissues involved on both the cord and the baby's
neck.
For example I and probably opthers have found knots in the cord which have
not ocludefe blood flow to the baby because of the inability of the knot to
compress the vessels due the thick Wharton's jelly!

By the way does any one know who Wharton was?
was he rotund or well padded???
Could Wharton  have been a female or  midwife by any chance??

Denise
- Original Message - 
From: "Meaghan Moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thanks


> Hi Sheena,
>
> I am a midwife practicing in Canada.  I always chart "cord around the
neck"
> as "nuchal cord."  Nuchal means pertaining to the neck.  I had an
> interesting tight nuchal cord the other day.  I used the somersault
> maneuver to get the baby out without cutting the cord.  This is described
> in Varney's "Midwifery". I  have used it a few times and find that it
works
> great.  Babies don't seem to be so "stunned"  or need resuscitation, the
> way they do if the cord is cut on the perineum.
>
> Here is how to do it.  If you have checked for cord and you asses that it
> is tight and impeding the birth, wait for restitution then flex baby's
head
> tightly toward the (mum's) thigh that it is facing (think tucking
chin/head
> to do somersault).  Babe will generally come with next push and literally
> somersault out so that head stays at perineum with body "flipping
> over".  Unravel cord from neck and stimulate babe if needed.  I find they
> often do need added (gentl) stimulation with a tight cord, and maybe a bit
> more encouragement to cry well. When the cord is tight the natural
> expulsion of fluid that usually occurs as the head is born is
> restricted  because of the tight cord.  They tend to be a bit more gurgly
> and may need a good cry to clear the lungs well.
>
> The babe I somersaulted the other day (Apgars 7 and 9), had the cord tight
> around the neck under the arms and around the body.  He never did really
> cry and pinked up well in mum's arms.  He still doesn't cry much and slept
> through the Guthrie heel poke today.  He is feeding well, gaining weight
> and just mellow.
>
> Meaghan Moon
>
> At 08:00 AM 5/28/04, you wrote:
> >Thank you to all who replied about the cord around the neck query of
mine.
> >Now I have another question, why is it sometimes called the nuchal cord?
I
> >have heard of the nuchal fold, but only very occasionally is  the term
> >nuchal cord used.
> >
> >Sheena Johnson
>
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[Meaghan Moon]

Hi Sheena,
I am a midwife practicing in Canada.  I always chart "cord around the neck" 
as "nuchal cord."  Nuchal means pertaining to the neck.  I had an 
interesting tight nuchal cord the other day.  I used the somersault 
maneuver to get the baby out without cutting the cord.  This is described 
in Varney's "Midwifery". I  have used it a few times and find that it works 
great.  Babies don't seem to be so "stunned"  or need resuscitation, the 
way they do if the cord is cut on the perineum.

Here is how to do it.  If you have checked for cord and you asses that it 
is tight and impeding the birth, wait for restitution then flex baby's head 
tightly toward the (mum's) thigh that it is facing (think tucking chin/head 
to do somersault).  Babe will generally come with next push and literally 
somersault out so that head stays at perineum with body "flipping 
over".  Unravel cord from neck and stimulate babe if needed.  I find they 
often do need added (gentl) stimulation with a tight cord, and maybe a bit 
more encouragement to cry well. When the cord is tight the natural 
expulsion of fluid that usually occurs as the head is born is 
restricted  because of the tight cord.  They tend to be a bit more gurgly 
and may need a good cry to clear the lungs well.

The babe I somersaulted the other day (Apgars 7 and 9), had the cord tight 
around the neck under the arms and around the body.  He never did really 
cry and pinked up well in mum's arms.  He still doesn't cry much and slept 
through the Guthrie heel poke today.  He is feeding well, gaining weight 
and just mellow.

Meaghan Moon
At 08:00 AM 5/28/04, you wrote:
Thank you to all who replied about the cord around the neck query of mine. 
Now I have another question, why is it sometimes called the nuchal cord? I 
have heard of the nuchal fold, but only very occasionally is  the term 
nuchal cord used.

Sheena Johnson

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[Judy Chapman]

Don't know the reason for that but I picked up the terminology when working in an American run hospital in Saudi.
JudySheena Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Thank you to all who replied about the cord around the neck query of mine. Now I have another question, why is it sometimes called the nuchal cord? I have heard of the nuchal fold, but only very occasionally is  the term nuchal cord used.
 
Sheena Johnson
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Re: [ozmidwifery] thanks

[Lynne Staff]

Hi Sheena
Nuchal comes from the word no-ka, or nuka (with all 
those funny little symbols above the letters) and means nape of the neck. The 
term nuchal arm is also used to describe an arm tucked up behind the baby's head 
and across the nape.
Regards, Lynne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sheena Johnson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:00 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] thanks
  
  Thank you to all who replied about the cord 
  around the neck query of mine. Now I have another question, why is it 
  sometimes called the nuchal cord? I have heard of the nuchal fold, but only 
  very occasionally is  the term nuchal cord used.
   
  Sheena 
Johnson

[ozmidwifery] thanks

[Sheena Johnson]

Thank you to all who replied about the cord around 
the neck query of mine. Now I have another question, why is it sometimes called 
the nuchal cord? I have heard of the nuchal fold, but only very occasionally 
is  the term nuchal cord used.
 
Sheena Johnson

Re: [ozmidwifery] thanks everyone

[Denise Hynd]

Dear Jo 
Last nite (I was not owrking in Labour ward) a 
couple after several hours of pushing were seeking a second opnion rather than 
accept a caesarian section.
At this time one was not available and if it was it 
would been the same!!
 
I do not feel this is a reflection on anyone but 
the system which does not offer informed choices at the begining of 
pregnancy!!
 
What is needed and I hope with NMAP, and subsequent 
actions is systemic change
Opportunities for midwives to do midwifery (1-2-1 
care) and others to see what this can acheive and demand more!!
 
Meanwhile I will not work in the system but work 
for its change or migrate to NZ.
 
Denise
 
Ps What  I do not understand is why those who 
know what is possible (all imported midwives and families from NZ and Uk 
etc) are not all demanding change??
I know many are but not a majority!!


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jo 
  & Dean Bainbridge 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:08 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] thanks 
  everyone
  
  I would just like to take this opportunity to 
  thank everyone for their replies and thoughts on the topics that I have 
  suggested and those that have spawned off of topics.
   
  The thing that I love most 
  about oz mid is the discussions
   offer food for 
  thought.  
   
  As a consumer I am in a position where I can sit 
  back and observe what is going on.  It is important for me to be able to 
  listen to the opinions of care providers and hear what your experiences 
  are.  And then do the same from the women.  I understand the need 
  for consumers to push for change (and support the MC in their goals to achieve 
  1to1 care by a known midwife for those who want it.) but I also know how 
  crucial it is to unite with those who are willing to offer these 
  services.  Women I feel kind of know what they want or don't want 
  based on what they know.  It is a shame that all options 
  are not known/presented or offered.  Reading the Essential Baby cs forum 
  is a real eye opener to hear the opinions of women who chose their cs based on 
  'safety and facts' (god forbid you contradict what they say or even question 
  it...!  I once said that they should be mindful of the information they 
  give to women as it is not always applicable or even correct for some -most- 
  women reading this forum...  I was 'slammed' with hate mail for weeks and 
  the best bit was a comment that I was "obviously a midwife" with the same tone 
  you would use for a horrible type of infection or something!some midwife 
  must of pissed her off!!)  
   
  There is a conference coming up in Adelaide 
  which is focusing on midwifery things...water birth, etc and I am very glad to 
  hear that we were successful in getting free admission for the general public 
  on one of those days.  It is fine and dandy to get mw enthused to 
  introduce things like water birth, but the powers that be say "women don't 
  want it" but women don't know about it!!! By not involving 
  women in these sorts of things does nothing to help the cause.  Get women 
  involved in things - ask them if they want to attend any conferences you may 
  be planning...at little to no cost- even if it is a revenue loss for you- 
  because when both factions are enthused and motivated then more can be 
  done.  
   
  Next time you are going to educate yourselves 
  about something...ask some mums to come too.  See if you can, sneakily if 
  required, introduce an antenatal class on water birth and advertise it in a 
  general public forum and get women demanding it, echoing your call for 
  it
   
  Ah! once again I am rambling on.just task 
  avoidance I suppose!  Got a few reports to write...unless anyone else 
  would like to do them for??  They are juicy ones!!  PND links with 
  child birth experience; Obstetric procedure policies feed back; report on the 
  importance of implementing 1on1 midwifery careany takers??  No?...oh 
  well.
  cheers wonderful women
  Jo

Re: [ozmidwifery] thanks everyone

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

lol! cheers Jodie!
jo
- Original Message -
From: "Jodie Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thanks everyone


> Jo, we must have been sisters in a past life!  What's the motto?  Educate,
> motivate and agitate?  What ever it is you're doing, keep doin' it!!
>
> In consumer sisterhood,
> Jodie
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:08 pm, Jo & Dean Bainbridge wrote:
> > I would just like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for their
> > replies and thoughts on the topics that I have suggested and those that
> > have spawned off of topics.
> >
> > The thing that I love most about oz mid is the discussions
> >  offer food for thought.
> >
> > As a consumer I am in a position where I can sit back and observe what
is
> > going on.  It is important for me to be able to listen to the opinions
of
> > care providers and hear what your experiences are.  And then do the same
> > from the women.  I understand the need for consumers to push for change
> > (and support the MC in their goals to achieve 1to1 care by a known
midwife
> > for those who want it.) but I also know how crucial it is to unite with
> > those who are willing to offer these services.  Women I feel kind of
know
> > what they want or don't want based on what they know.  It is a shame
that
> > all options are not known/presented or offered.  Reading the Essential
Baby
> > cs forum is a real eye opener to hear the opinions of women who chose
their
> > cs based on 'safety and facts' (god forbid you contradict what they say
or
> > even question it...!  I once said that they should be mindful of the
> > information they give to women as it is not always applicable or even
> > correct for some -most- women reading this forum...  I was 'slammed'
with
> > hate mail for weeks and the best bit was a comment that I was "obviously
a
> > midwife" with the same tone you would use for a horrible type of
infection
> > or something!some midwife must of pissed her off!!)
> >
> > There is a conference coming up in Adelaide which is focusing on
midwifery
> > things...water birth, etc and I am very glad to hear that we were
> > successful in getting free admission for the general public on one of
those
> > days.  It is fine and dandy to get mw enthused to introduce things like
> > water birth, but the powers that be say "women don't want it" but women
> > don't know about it!!! By not involving women in these sorts of things
does
> > nothing to help the cause.  Get women involved in things - ask them if
they
> > want to attend any conferences you may be planning...at little to no
cost-
> > even if it is a revenue loss for you- because when both factions are
> > enthused and motivated then more can be done.
> >
> > Next time you are going to educate yourselves about something...ask some
> > mums to come too.  See if you can, sneakily if required, introduce an
> > antenatal class on water birth and advertise it in a general public
forum
> > and get women demanding it, echoing your call for it
> >
> > Ah! once again I am rambling on.just task avoidance I suppose!  Got
a
> > few reports to write...unless anyone else would like to do them for??
They
> > are juicy ones!!  PND links with child birth experience; Obstetric
> > procedure policies feed back; report on the importance of implementing
1on1
> > midwifery careany takers??  No?...oh well. cheers wonderful women
> > Jo
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[Sally Westbury]

Hi Folk,

I am looking for current contact for Patrice Hickey.

Thanks.

Sally

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[Jodie Miller]

Jo, we must have been sisters in a past life!  What's the motto?  Educate, 
motivate and agitate?  What ever it is you're doing, keep doin' it!!  

In consumer sisterhood,
Jodie




On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:08 pm, Jo & Dean Bainbridge wrote:
> I would just like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for their
> replies and thoughts on the topics that I have suggested and those that
> have spawned off of topics.
>
> The thing that I love most about oz mid is the discussions
>  offer food for thought.
>
> As a consumer I am in a position where I can sit back and observe what is
> going on.  It is important for me to be able to listen to the opinions of
> care providers and hear what your experiences are.  And then do the same
> from the women.  I understand the need for consumers to push for change
> (and support the MC in their goals to achieve 1to1 care by a known midwife
> for those who want it.) but I also know how crucial it is to unite with
> those who are willing to offer these services.  Women I feel kind of know
> what they want or don't want based on what they know.  It is a shame that
> all options are not known/presented or offered.  Reading the Essential Baby
> cs forum is a real eye opener to hear the opinions of women who chose their
> cs based on 'safety and facts' (god forbid you contradict what they say or
> even question it...!  I once said that they should be mindful of the
> information they give to women as it is not always applicable or even
> correct for some -most- women reading this forum...  I was 'slammed' with
> hate mail for weeks and the best bit was a comment that I was "obviously a
> midwife" with the same tone you would use for a horrible type of infection
> or something!some midwife must of pissed her off!!)
>
> There is a conference coming up in Adelaide which is focusing on midwifery
> things...water birth, etc and I am very glad to hear that we were
> successful in getting free admission for the general public on one of those
> days.  It is fine and dandy to get mw enthused to introduce things like
> water birth, but the powers that be say "women don't want it" but women
> don't know about it!!! By not involving women in these sorts of things does
> nothing to help the cause.  Get women involved in things - ask them if they
> want to attend any conferences you may be planning...at little to no cost-
> even if it is a revenue loss for you- because when both factions are
> enthused and motivated then more can be done.
>
> Next time you are going to educate yourselves about something...ask some
> mums to come too.  See if you can, sneakily if required, introduce an
> antenatal class on water birth and advertise it in a general public forum
> and get women demanding it, echoing your call for it
>
> Ah! once again I am rambling on.just task avoidance I suppose!  Got a
> few reports to write...unless anyone else would like to do them for??  They
> are juicy ones!!  PND links with child birth experience; Obstetric
> procedure policies feed back; report on the importance of implementing 1on1
> midwifery careany takers??  No?...oh well. cheers wonderful women
> Jo
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[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

I would just like to take this opportunity to thank 
everyone for their replies and thoughts on the topics that I have suggested and 
those that have spawned off of topics.
 
The thing that I love most 
about oz mid is the discussions
 offer food for 
thought.  
 
As a consumer I am in a position where I can sit 
back and observe what is going on.  It is important for me to be able to 
listen to the opinions of care providers and hear what your experiences 
are.  And then do the same from the women.  I understand the need for 
consumers to push for change (and support the MC in their goals to achieve 1to1 
care by a known midwife for those who want it.) but I also know how crucial it 
is to unite with those who are willing to offer these services.  Women I 
feel kind of know what they want or don't want based on what they 
know.  It is a shame that all options are not known/presented or 
offered.  Reading the Essential Baby cs forum is a real eye opener to hear 
the opinions of women who chose their cs based on 'safety and facts' (god forbid 
you contradict what they say or even question it...!  I once said that they 
should be mindful of the information they give to women as it is not always 
applicable or even correct for some -most- women reading this forum...  I 
was 'slammed' with hate mail for weeks and the best bit was a comment that I was 
"obviously a midwife" with the same tone you would use for a horrible type of 
infection or something!some midwife must of pissed her off!!)  

 
There is a conference coming up in Adelaide 
which is focusing on midwifery things...water birth, etc and I am very glad to 
hear that we were successful in getting free admission for the general public on 
one of those days.  It is fine and dandy to get mw enthused to introduce 
things like water birth, but the powers that be say "women don't want it" 
but women don't know about it!!! By not involving women in 
these sorts of things does nothing to help the cause.  Get women involved 
in things - ask them if they want to attend any conferences you may be 
planning...at little to no cost- even if it is a revenue loss for you- because 
when both factions are enthused and motivated then more can be done.  

 
Next time you are going to educate yourselves about 
something...ask some mums to come too.  See if you can, sneakily if 
required, introduce an antenatal class on water birth and advertise it in a 
general public forum and get women demanding it, echoing your call for 
it
 
Ah! once again I am rambling on.just task 
avoidance I suppose!  Got a few reports to write...unless anyone else would 
like to do them for??  They are juicy ones!!  PND links with child 
birth experience; Obstetric procedure policies feed back; report on the 
importance of implementing 1on1 midwifery careany takers??  No?...oh 
well.
cheers wonderful women
Jo

Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks

[jo hunter]

Hi Diane,
i passed this on to a dear friend of mine who is mum to twin girls and is
very involved in the multiples association. This was her response. Note: her
description of the OB reaching in to grab the presenting part of the second
twin was done to her without an epi as she refused drugs, so it may be
important for your client to get very clear with the OB about him not
managing the birth of the second twin. It is possible that he will
automatically do this with or without an epi.
All the best
Jo

hey jojo,
i feel for this couple, being in a position where they want to do this
beautifully, but have very little support from the hospital.
i have never heard that twins usually arrive in around 4 hours (mine did
though!!), and whilst i believe that it's not unusual for the cervix to
dilate considerably during late (ish) pregnancy for multiples, i really
don't think he's any more likely to guess the duration of a multiple birth
than he could a singleton.
i would strongly recommend that she has someone with her to speak for her ~
and be strong ~ and insist against the forceps, especially for the second
twin.
induce because they are too big??? how ridiculous! my OB wanted to
induce at 37 weeks (not for size, just because that's how they like twins to
be born there, but i think they'll use almost any excuse), but i held out
for another three and a half, they can't MAKE her do it, which is really
important for her to remember. equally important, is that she doesn't have
to have an epi. i am wondering if both of her babies are head down? i think
that OBs much prefer multiple birth women to have the epi because it is then
easier for the OB to "manage" the birth, particularly of the second twin. i
don't know if you will pass this on, and know that it is not pleasant to
think of, but will say it because i think she has a right to know. the epi
comes in handy when Twin A is born, for the OB to reach inside, rupture
membranes, fish around for and grab hold of a presenting part, and pull it
into the birth canal (i can still hear the squeak of my OBs glove on my
little girls head), without the mother feeling the pain of what is being
done to her. the gap between births makes OBs very nervous, here they choose
how the baby is presenting, and they ensure that the baby is within forceps
reach if the heart rate drops. it hurts, A LOT, and is extremely invasive.
i really hope they achieve the birth they are hoping for, they will have to
be very strong!
sorry - just noticing how i have rambled!
bern

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From: "Diane Gardner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks


> Just want to thank you all once again for your help with my twins mum.
>
> Up until Monday getting her relaxed for her HypnoBirthing classes was easy
> and she was so loking forward to a natural birth but then after visiting
the
> Ob she was a mess. I sent her all the options you gave and she is much
more
> relaxed and more than anything else it has reinforced the fact that she
DOES
> have choices.
>
> Claire, the birth story on the UK site was really good and very positive.
It
> is good to have sites like that to reference. It had some great links to
> other sites as well. Wouldn't it be good to have a register of really good
> sites to visit. That'd be a good job for one of you organised Virgos.
>
> Seriously though I only hope that they are strong enough to stand up for
> their rights because I think they thought they had been so violated and no
> choices. It was so sneaky that the Ob deliberately has avoided all
> discussion of the birth until my client AND her husband were determined to
> raise it on Monday.
>
> Anyway I will keep you informed on her progress and a VERY positive birth
> outcome.
>
> regards
> Diane
>
>
>
>
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[Dierdre Bowman]

Hi Maureen,

I'm Dierdre Bowman and I'm with Maternity Coalition QLD.  I was wondering if
you could email me off list.

My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
Dierdre.

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[Wayne and Cas]

F%$(^%&! This needs to be reported to the authorities and the media. How
can people stand by and see a woman surgically raped in such a way... It
is disgusting!

A very angry Cas.

Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.casmccullough.com
 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ward
Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2003 7:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Thanks


Recently a woman turned up in labour. Breech presentation. They had been
to their local hospital during the pregnancy and told ALL breeches were
C/S. They had seen a private OB, who also strongly suggested a C/S. So I
guess they turned up in labour, to an unknown hospital presuming they
would have a vaginal birth. NO WAY. Treated like criminals, they were
forcibly shunted off to the first butcher shop. Here they were promptly
forced to OT where a caesar was performed, with the father restrained by
a security guard. At 2am he had had enough, and wanted to take his wife
and baby home. Found himself scheduled and in the looney bin.  If this
isn't a case of assult,I don't know what is. What has been done to this
family so horrendous. Unfortunately they are immigrants, I donot know
how good their English is, or if they are able to utilize their legal
rights. Unfortunately I wasn't on when this all happened, but have heard
the story from people directly involved, including the graduate midwife
sent to OT with them. NO ONE stuck up their rights, acted as advocate,
and were not aware this was assault until I told them.
This is so scary..   Maureen

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne and Cas
Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2003 7:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Thanks


Hi Diane,

If they are feeling bullied at all they should seriously consider
videoing the birth, taking photos of CTG readouts and maybe even getting
the husband to take in a dictophone recorder in his pocket. We took a
digital camera that also takes short video footage (as memory allows)
and videoed the moments just after Daniel was taken out without anyone
knowing.

I know this sounds extreme but they will want evidence of bullying if
things don't go well.

We have just had a woman come to our local homebirth group who wanted a
vaginal breech birth in hospital and she fought tooth and nail against
the system and eventually got her way, but there was a lot of pressure
and bullying along the way. She had a three hour labour and an easy
birth but the doc still did an episiotomy without her consent! She is
now going to tell her story to the media in the hopes that it will
encourage other women to stand up for their basic right to a natural
normal birth if things are going smoothely and there is not an evident
need for intervention.

Sometimes the only way to get a natural birth is to threaten to sue. Are
you giving her birth support Diane?

Hope this puts some fire in her belly Sending lots of empowerment
vibes.

Cheers,

Cas.

Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough
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www.casmccullough.com



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gardner
Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 9:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks


Just want to thank you all once again for your help with my twins mum.

Up until Monday getting her relaxed for her HypnoBirthing classes was
easy and she was so loking forward to a natural birth but then after
visiting the Ob she was a mess. I sent her all the options you gave and
she is much more relaxed and more than anything else it has reinforced
the fact that she DOES have choices.

Claire, the birth story on the UK site was really good and very
positive. It is good to have sites like that to reference. It had some
great links to other sites as well. Wouldn't it be good to have a
register of really good sites to visit. That'd be a good job for one of
you organised Virgos.

Seriously though I only hope that they are strong enough to stand up for
their rights because I think they thought they had been so violated and
no choices. It was so sneaky that the Ob deliberately has avoided all
discussion of the birth until my client AND her husband were determined
to raise it on Monday.

Anyway I will keep you informed on her progress and a VERY positive
birth outcome.

regards
Diane




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RE: [ozmidwifery] Thanks

[Ken Ward]

Recently a woman turned up in labour. Breech presentation. They had been to
their local hospital during the pregnancy and told ALL breeches were C/S.
They had seen a private OB, who also strongly suggested a C/S. So I guess
they turned up in labour, to an unknown hospital presuming they would have a
vaginal birth. NO WAY. Treated like criminals, they were forcibly shunted
off to the first butcher shop. Here they were promptly forced to OT where a
caesar was performed, with the father restrained by a security guard. At 2am
he had had enough, and wanted to take his wife and baby home. Found himself
scheduled and in the looney bin.  If this isn't a case of assult,I don't
know what is. What has been done to this family so horrendous. Unfortunately
they are immigrants, I donot know how good their English is, or if they are
able to utilize their legal rights. Unfortunately I wasn't on when this all
happened, but have heard the story from people directly involved, including
the graduate midwife sent to OT with them. NO ONE stuck up their rights,
acted as advocate, and were not aware this was assault until I told them.
This is so scary..   Maureen

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Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2003 7:48 AM
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Hi Diane,

If they are feeling bullied at all they should seriously consider
videoing the birth, taking photos of CTG readouts and maybe even getting
the husband to take in a dictophone recorder in his pocket. We took a
digital camera that also takes short video footage (as memory allows)
and videoed the moments just after Daniel was taken out without anyone
knowing.

I know this sounds extreme but they will want evidence of bullying if
things don't go well.

We have just had a woman come to our local homebirth group who wanted a
vaginal breech birth in hospital and she fought tooth and nail against
the system and eventually got her way, but there was a lot of pressure
and bullying along the way. She had a three hour labour and an easy
birth but the doc still did an episiotomy without her consent! She is
now going to tell her story to the media in the hopes that it will
encourage other women to stand up for their basic right to a natural
normal birth if things are going smoothely and there is not an evident
need for intervention.

Sometimes the only way to get a natural birth is to threaten to sue. Are
you giving her birth support Diane?

Hope this puts some fire in her belly Sending lots of empowerment
vibes.

Cheers,

Cas.

Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.casmccullough.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gardner
Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 9:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks


Just want to thank you all once again for your help with my twins mum.

Up until Monday getting her relaxed for her HypnoBirthing classes was
easy and she was so loking forward to a natural birth but then after
visiting the Ob she was a mess. I sent her all the options you gave and
she is much more relaxed and more than anything else it has reinforced
the fact that she DOES have choices.

Claire, the birth story on the UK site was really good and very
positive. It is good to have sites like that to reference. It had some
great links to other sites as well. Wouldn't it be good to have a
register of really good sites to visit. That'd be a good job for one of
you organised Virgos.

Seriously though I only hope that they are strong enough to stand up for
their rights because I think they thought they had been so violated and
no choices. It was so sneaky that the Ob deliberately has avoided all
discussion of the birth until my client AND her husband were determined
to raise it on Monday.

Anyway I will keep you informed on her progress and a VERY positive
birth outcome.

regards
Diane




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RE: [ozmidwifery] Thanks

[Wayne and Cas]

Hi Diane,

If they are feeling bullied at all they should seriously consider
videoing the birth, taking photos of CTG readouts and maybe even getting
the husband to take in a dictophone recorder in his pocket. We took a
digital camera that also takes short video footage (as memory allows)
and videoed the moments just after Daniel was taken out without anyone
knowing.

I know this sounds extreme but they will want evidence of bullying if
things don't go well.

We have just had a woman come to our local homebirth group who wanted a
vaginal breech birth in hospital and she fought tooth and nail against
the system and eventually got her way, but there was a lot of pressure
and bullying along the way. She had a three hour labour and an easy
birth but the doc still did an episiotomy without her consent! She is
now going to tell her story to the media in the hopes that it will
encourage other women to stand up for their basic right to a natural
normal birth if things are going smoothely and there is not an evident
need for intervention.

Sometimes the only way to get a natural birth is to threaten to sue. Are
you giving her birth support Diane?

Hope this puts some fire in her belly Sending lots of empowerment
vibes.

Cheers,

Cas.

Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.casmccullough.com
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gardner
Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 9:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks


Just want to thank you all once again for your help with my twins mum.

Up until Monday getting her relaxed for her HypnoBirthing classes was
easy and she was so loking forward to a natural birth but then after
visiting the Ob she was a mess. I sent her all the options you gave and
she is much more relaxed and more than anything else it has reinforced
the fact that she DOES have choices.

Claire, the birth story on the UK site was really good and very
positive. It is good to have sites like that to reference. It had some
great links to other sites as well. Wouldn't it be good to have a
register of really good sites to visit. That'd be a good job for one of
you organised Virgos.

Seriously though I only hope that they are strong enough to stand up for
their rights because I think they thought they had been so violated and
no choices. It was so sneaky that the Ob deliberately has avoided all
discussion of the birth until my client AND her husband were determined
to raise it on Monday.

Anyway I will keep you informed on her progress and a VERY positive
birth outcome.

regards
Diane




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks

[Diane Gardner]

Just want to thank you all once again for your help with my twins mum.

Up until Monday getting her relaxed for her HypnoBirthing classes was easy
and she was so loking forward to a natural birth but then after visiting the
Ob she was a mess. I sent her all the options you gave and she is much more
relaxed and more than anything else it has reinforced the fact that she DOES
have choices.

Claire, the birth story on the UK site was really good and very positive. It
is good to have sites like that to reference. It had some great links to
other sites as well. Wouldn't it be good to have a register of really good
sites to visit. That'd be a good job for one of you organised Virgos.

Seriously though I only hope that they are strong enough to stand up for
their rights because I think they thought they had been so violated and no
choices. It was so sneaky that the Ob deliberately has avoided all
discussion of the birth until my client AND her husband were determined to
raise it on Monday.

Anyway I will keep you informed on her progress and a VERY positive birth
outcome.

regards
Diane




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[ozmidwifery] thanks!

[J Stewart]

Dear All,
 
Thank you all very much for your 
advice/stories/comments re the dummies vs thumbs!! My [gorgeous, cute, darling, 
cute cute cute!!!] cousin is still happily chewing away on the hands, her mum is 
more than happy although nanna still needs some convincing!
 
Uni goes back in the morning! If anyone has seen my 
3 months of holidays lying around i'd like to know where they 
went!!
 
Thanks again!
Jessica.

[ozmidwifery] thanks Rosemary

[Jo & Dean Bainbridge]

thank you Rosemary for sharing what must have been 
a wonderful experience for all involved.  I apologise for ranting and 
raving, but 'it' has finally driven me after three years, to such a point as my 
health being affected.  I had the migraine from hell which had me begging 
my hubby to take me to hospital!  I am so angered by the way in which care 
is manipulated by a few in positions in power.  I am angered that in SA 
'they' are using the tragic event of a uterine rupture in a vbac (labour 
augmented -without dilation check first! and epidural and yet no continuous 
monitoring until too late! ) to ban vbac in birth centres...so more 
women can be submitted to epidurals, inductions, augmentation, continuous 
monitoring!!!  Perhaps if this woman was in a birth centre, she would not 
have been subjected to such poor and disgraceful care! 
But knowing that birth is still happening in a 
caring, loving and trusting environment makes the pain in my head (and heart) a 
little easier.  Thanks for sharing
Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 
08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith & love...

Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks Deb

[DebSlater]

Jenni

Thanks for the email.  You wrote:


Unfortunately Stoke Mandeville
is not very pro homebirth so I am struggling to convince Mum's booked there
it is an option for them too.


Tell me about it :-)  Most of my NCT clients were booked at Stoke (some at the JR), and those who wanted a home birth did not always find it easy.  Having said that, many of the midwives were pro, and Felicity Ashworth always seemed fairly pro too.  There  was the Clinical Head of Midwifery when I was there who had had home births herself (I think), can't remember her name but now think she is at the JR.  Jenny Smart and Emma Harrington are the 2 Aylesbury NCT teachers (you will have met them at Jean Sutton's study day, I suppose), and Jenny took over from me on the MSLC's when I left.  If you need there email/ phone no.s I can pass them on.

Debbie 

[ozmidwifery] Thanks Deb

[Jennifer Farrell]

Thanks Deb

I'll give her an email and see what we can do. All my Mum's in Tring area
are now only booking for Stoke Mandeville Hospital. But the Berkhamsted
Mum's are not being accepted there. Only good side is the homebirth rate is
climbing both there and in Hemel Hempstead. Unfortunately Stoke Mandeville
is not very pro homebirth so I am struggling to convince Mum's booked there
it is an option for them too.
Love Jenni


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[ozmidwifery] Thanks to Lois, Alesa & Andrea

[Di Felsbourg]

Thankyou ladies for your help with Antenatal Education training Due to the number of my fellow students being interested in undertaking this type of elective, we have submitted a formal request to our University about such a course being included in our Grad Dip of Midthis may or may not occur & hopefully if it does we will be fortunate enough to 'catch' it before we conclude our studies To be on the safe side though, I am going to forward Andreas reply to the various other students interested in this topic. If we can get time off work, organise family events etc etc we may have to resort to the Sydney seminar...alternatively if our numbers are good enough & there is the opportunity to have the course conducted here in Melbourne we may try to organise it that way...I will work on all & hopefully manage to succeed in one!  Once again many thanks..
  ~ from ~ 

   Di Felsbourg  xxx

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